The only problem is that some sites really fail miserably on one or the other - I think Firefox does a better job at rendering broken sites.
I'd claim that more sites are tested in FireFox, but hey. Anyway, with Opera's major addition of Browser.js in 8, and continued expansion upcoming in 9 - Opera software can rewrite broken sites so they work properly, and push that out to the users. This is almost as good as Proxomitron, with none of the hassle (and it works in Linux and OSX as well).
So, you can complain about a site not working, and Opera software can finally actually do something about it.
How would it do that though? Extensions are supposed to integrate with the browser, they aren't really any more separate once installed from FireFox then IE is from Windows.
This is also one of the reasons I'm still not convinced that extensions are a good idea.
Which is where proxy based solutions like proxomitron or privoxy or AdMuncher shine. I still can't figure out why someone hasn't taken the idea and had some sort of extension or just an added feature to have filtering done (whether AdBlock, or whatever) before the code hits the browser rendering engine.
Heck, FF could just integrate Privoxy as they are both GPL IIRC.
I don't really think so. What it means is that people who want more from Opera are stuck waiting for them to make the changes. Someone with the right knowledge, or just the motivation to do it, could add what they want to firefox.
Not really though - I mean, I have to wait for the extension to be approved for it to be "blessed" in any sense. Otherwise the security of an approved extension site means noting in practice.
I also wonder to what extent the people actually vet the extensions. I mean, will they support any extension on the site as if they wrote in (part of core FireFox)? Do they test for conflicts, and only allow in extensions that don't break something?
It doesn't sound like it if any of many forum posts are correct.
Would you need the CIA or US Military Intelligence to spy on citizens who are breaking the law? I would guess if you wanted to spy on criminals you would be able to do so without this new law - by getting a warrant to wiretap and the like.
The problem I have with lots of new laws is it says We need to be able to do X to set A. So let us do Y(which is a superset of X) to set B(which is a superset of set A). And they then fail to mention that the current laws already allow doing X to A.
That is a good point, and a way of looking at things that I never really imagined. It's like Minority Report - You should *NOT* be able to be arrested or detained for things you haven't done yet.
I have nothing against trying to prevent murders or other crimes, but I don't see any good way to pre-empt someone from committing a crime.
On the other hand - watching a criminal shoot someone so you can now arrest them is *stupid*. Finding a balance is important. Circumstantial evidence isn't enough to hold someone in my opinion.
Find a letter, tape a phone conversation (with warrant), find the makings of a dirty bomb, or a bomb or *SOMETHING*, but holding someone for 3 years because they did some things the government doesn't like and isn't illegial? That's just wrong.
Overall, the government has the power to deal with people doing things they don't like, it's just inconvienient. They would have to make the act illegial - then they could arrest them. Of course, citizens might have a problem with the government trying to outlaw changing their name, converting to Islam, or leaving the country.
My personal position is that the Constitution, Bill of Rights, and case law is clear - the United States government cannot hold someone without charging them with a crime, and they must be allowed a lawyer etc...
Allowing exceptions to that throws all that out, and makes our government little better than any totalitarian state that does anything it wants and provides propaganda to appease the masses until fear can be used to cow them.
Please expand on why you would consider Opera or really any other modern standards complient browser any less of a choice than FireFox? I can't see FireFox really being any better (though possibly more used - and that proves little) than any other browser that supports about the same coding standards.
IDK about a toggle control, but to the Opera user and such, Proxomitron with the proper filterset can block the DHTML ads without destroying the rest of the page. I use an Opera modified version of the Grypen set, available at www.streamload.com/jp10558/public which seems to work on the two suggested sites - removing most ads and I did not see any fly-in ads.
It's free, so if you can handle proxies, and occasional updates from a set provider like Grypen (or me), you should give it a try.
I think what he means is the 60+ Million downloaders. When there are as many people breaking a law as voiting for president, I think that counds as widespread. When it's on the scale of prohibition style breaking of the liquor laws... there is a problem.
Yeah, I like using Directory Opus, so I wouldn't mind being able to remove Windows Explorer, which I don't use. As I also use Opera, I wouldn't mind getting rid of IE.
There are lots of things that I wish were more modular, and less "sneaky" from MS. Like WMP10 always wanting to install... I'm happy with Windows Media Player Classic, BS Player and WinAmp, I don't need yet another media player.
Nor do I really want their malicious software removal tool, as I have SpySweeper and NOD32... I don't want MSN Messenger or Windows Messenger, I have Trillian 3.1 installed.
Basically, I'd LOVE it if I could just plug in Opera like I was able to with Directory Opus (Use Presto as the generic rendering widget). And I wouldn't mind removing the stuff I don't use.
I always found office dumb. Precicely because of what they are attempting to fix with Office 12 - the almost random location of settings, rather than having things organized in one place for certain tasks. Say text options, page options and the like.
Of course, I'm used to the obscure Lotus Word Pro which has been like this with pallettes since I started using it in 1996. Adobe seems to use a similar UI meme.
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Have you tried (can you?) one of the "mini" browsers, like Opera mini or that mobile mozilla (what is it called?) thing?
True. Digg is where/. should go when they want to feel intellectual. I mean, most posters I see with a default mod of 1 at least can use capitalization. I don't think digg actually ever moves gibberish off of the comments. Either that, or most diggers (is that what they call themselves?) don't know what the moderation widget means.
What's odd is I find slashdot far more readable than Digg. Especially the threading, but mostly, the comments aren't all broken up in an odd ?diaglog bubble? I keep looking for the cartoon character speaking.
Plus, slashdot's format is far less distracting to me, just the comments, not trying to be "cool".
Maybe I'm elitest, but I've always found that if you are trying to be "cool", you aren't and won't be as long as you try.
Hmm, I haven't really figured out Ars Technica for news yet, beyond what shows up on other sites as links. Their forums are good, but rather heavy for entertainment purposes for me, though goldmines for help if you have a specific question.
But they are still kind of low on my radar, I tend to go to DSLR (which seems to have a good mix of n00bs and techies, not to mention several respected professionals who post a lot) first, followed by Astalavista.net, and then get to Ars. I just don't really like the way their forums work - I get an e-mail telling me there were 0 new posts today on a thread I subscribed to. All I want is a mail when there is a new post.
Yeah, I have an order of sites I try and see. Digg has made it onto that regular list, which is a feat, but it ends up kind of low.
In case anyone cares,/. is not on the top of the list either. But it still is higher than digg. Fark is also on that list, but it has fallen behind digg recently, so digg is moving up - though I get more out of Fark comments than I do digg comments. However, I am registered at Digg and not at Fark. Oh what the hell, I only post at/. anyway:P !
I seriously do not know how I managed for so long without Directory Opus. It's amazing. I can make it into my beloved half File Manager half Windows Explorer, with an open command window here button for fun.
Now if I could only figure out how to get it to also emulate Windows Explorer Find (attached to the lister, with results in the lister, and the ability to have several separate listers with separate find results at once) it would be nirvana!
The thing that drives me nuts with iTunes is it's huge. But then again, I've never needed anything past Winamp 2.95 for music playing. It's perfect for me. I don't want a music player that takes up the whole screen. I don't need sidebars etc. But that's just me.
Yes and No. I like the Google style search "areas" that I can do with Directory Opus. I've tried desktop searches, but I don't care about searching within my text documents much, and I really like keeping things somewhat separate as I've stated.
I've also found that DO is about as fast searching w/out indexing and taking up resources as copernic desktop search was with indexing so...
With DO, I just have a favorite for music, doucment directory(ies) and of course the default "whole system". Ctrl-F and my search term, a couple seconds later, there's what I need.
I like having my bookmarks searched from within Opera the same way in manage bookmarks (instant find as you type though).
And e-mail within Eudora (though that doesn't work right with IMAP:( )
So I like the hibrid. I get to the file the fastest way that way. Plus, I still have some idea of the underlying file structure. It also makes it easier to manage my FTP server.
I'd love to figure out how the web forum or chat games ever worked out. Anyway, the biggest issue isn't finding players as much as scheduling time anymore.
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The only problem is that some sites really fail miserably on one or the other - I think Firefox does a better job at rendering broken sites.
I'd claim that more sites are tested in FireFox, but hey. Anyway, with Opera's major addition of Browser.js in 8, and continued expansion upcoming in 9 - Opera software can rewrite broken sites so they work properly, and push that out to the users. This is almost as good as Proxomitron, with none of the hassle (and it works in Linux and OSX as well).
So, you can complain about a site not working, and Opera software can finally actually do something about it.
How would it do that though? Extensions are supposed to integrate with the browser, they aren't really any more separate once installed from FireFox then IE is from Windows.
This is also one of the reasons I'm still not convinced that extensions are a good idea.
Which is where proxy based solutions like proxomitron or privoxy or AdMuncher shine. I still can't figure out why someone hasn't taken the idea and had some sort of extension or just an added feature to have filtering done (whether AdBlock, or whatever) before the code hits the browser rendering engine.
Heck, FF could just integrate Privoxy as they are both GPL IIRC.
Sure there is. IIRC they are actually two totally different codebases - one is ActiveX, the other is Netscape 4 plugin format.
I don't really think so. What it means is that people who want more from Opera are stuck waiting for them to make the changes. Someone with the right knowledge, or just the motivation to do it, could add what they want to firefox.
Not really though - I mean, I have to wait for the extension to be approved for it to be "blessed" in any sense. Otherwise the security of an approved extension site means noting in practice.
I also wonder to what extent the people actually vet the extensions. I mean, will they support any extension on the site as if they wrote in (part of core FireFox)? Do they test for conflicts, and only allow in extensions that don't break something?
It doesn't sound like it if any of many forum posts are correct.
Would you need the CIA or US Military Intelligence to spy on citizens who are breaking the law? I would guess if you wanted to spy on criminals you would be able to do so without this new law - by getting a warrant to wiretap and the like.
The problem I have with lots of new laws is it says
We need to be able to do X to set A. So let us do Y(which is a superset of X) to set B(which is a superset of set A). And they then fail to mention that the current laws already allow doing X to A.
That is a good point, and a way of looking at things that I never really imagined. It's like Minority Report - You should *NOT* be able to be arrested or detained for things you haven't done yet.
I have nothing against trying to prevent murders or other crimes, but I don't see any good way to pre-empt someone from committing a crime.
On the other hand - watching a criminal shoot someone so you can now arrest them is *stupid*. Finding a balance is important. Circumstantial evidence isn't enough to hold someone in my opinion.
Find a letter, tape a phone conversation (with warrant), find the makings of a dirty bomb, or a bomb or *SOMETHING*, but holding someone for 3 years because they did some things the government doesn't like and isn't illegial? That's just wrong.
Overall, the government has the power to deal with people doing things they don't like, it's just inconvienient. They would have to make the act illegial - then they could arrest them. Of course, citizens might have a problem with the government trying to outlaw changing their name, converting to Islam, or leaving the country.
My personal position is that the Constitution, Bill of Rights, and case law is clear - the United States government cannot hold someone without charging them with a crime, and they must be allowed a lawyer etc...
Allowing exceptions to that throws all that out, and makes our government little better than any totalitarian state that does anything it wants and provides propaganda to appease the masses until fear can be used to cow them.
Please expand on why you would consider Opera or really any other modern standards complient browser any less of a choice than FireFox? I can't see FireFox really being any better (though possibly more used - and that proves little) than any other browser that supports about the same coding standards.
IDK about a toggle control, but to the Opera user and such, Proxomitron with the proper filterset can block the DHTML ads without destroying the rest of the page. I use an Opera modified version of the Grypen set, available at www.streamload.com/jp10558/public which seems to work on the two suggested sites - removing most ads and I did not see any fly-in ads.
It's free, so if you can handle proxies, and occasional updates from a set provider like Grypen (or me), you should give it a try.
I think what he means is the 60+ Million downloaders. When there are as many people breaking a law as voiting for president, I think that counds as widespread. When it's on the scale of prohibition style breaking of the liquor laws... there is a problem.
Yeah, I like using Directory Opus, so I wouldn't mind being able to remove Windows Explorer, which I don't use. As I also use Opera, I wouldn't mind getting rid of IE.
There are lots of things that I wish were more modular, and less "sneaky" from MS. Like WMP10 always wanting to install... I'm happy with Windows Media Player Classic, BS Player and WinAmp, I don't need yet another media player.
Nor do I really want their malicious software removal tool, as I have SpySweeper and NOD32... I don't want MSN Messenger or Windows Messenger, I have Trillian 3.1 installed.
Basically, I'd LOVE it if I could just plug in Opera like I was able to with Directory Opus (Use Presto as the generic rendering widget). And I wouldn't mind removing the stuff I don't use.
As far as I can tell, windizupdate only supports Opera 7, not the current Opera 8.5 or upcoming Opera 9.
I always found office dumb. Precicely because of what they are attempting to fix with Office 12 - the almost random location of settings, rather than having things organized in one place for certain tasks. Say text options, page options and the like.
Of course, I'm used to the obscure Lotus Word Pro which has been like this with pallettes since I started using it in 1996. Adobe seems to use a similar UI meme.
Have you tried (can you?) one of the "mini" browsers, like Opera mini or that mobile mozilla (what is it called?) thing?
The news postings on Slashdot may be late, but they're edited, moderated, and quite professional.
... *caugh* *caugh*CAUGH* BWAHHHHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Well
For certain values of late, edited, moderated, and professional I'm sure you're right. But those values are pretty low.
So, totally off topic, but is your sig a typo, or more likely some sort of psychological point - maybe that we read what we expect to see?
True. Digg is where /. should go when they want to feel intellectual. I mean, most posters I see with a default mod of 1 at least can use capitalization. I don't think digg actually ever moves gibberish off of the comments. Either that, or most diggers (is that what they call themselves?) don't know what the moderation widget means.
What's odd is I find slashdot far more readable than Digg. Especially the threading, but mostly, the comments aren't all broken up in an odd ?diaglog bubble? I keep looking for the cartoon character speaking.
Plus, slashdot's format is far less distracting to me, just the comments, not trying to be "cool".
Maybe I'm elitest, but I've always found that if you are trying to be "cool", you aren't and won't be as long as you try.
Hmm, I haven't really figured out Ars Technica for news yet, beyond what shows up on other sites as links. Their forums are good, but rather heavy for entertainment purposes for me, though goldmines for help if you have a specific question.
But they are still kind of low on my radar, I tend to go to DSLR (which seems to have a good mix of n00bs and techies, not to mention several respected professionals who post a lot) first, followed by Astalavista.net, and then get to Ars. I just don't really like the way their forums work - I get an e-mail telling me there were 0 new posts today on a thread I subscribed to. All I want is a mail when there is a new post.
Yeah, I have an order of sites I try and see. Digg has made it onto that regular list, which is a feat, but it ends up kind of low.
/. is not on the top of the list either. But it still is higher than digg. Fark is also on that list, but it has fallen behind digg recently, so digg is moving up - though I get more out of Fark comments than I do digg comments. However, I am registered at Digg and not at Fark. Oh what the hell, I only post at /. anyway :P !
In case anyone cares,
I seriously do not know how I managed for so long without Directory Opus. It's amazing. I can make it into my beloved half File Manager half Windows Explorer, with an open command window here button for fun.
Now if I could only figure out how to get it to also emulate Windows Explorer Find (attached to the lister, with results in the lister, and the ability to have several separate listers with separate find results at once) it would be nirvana!
The thing that drives me nuts with iTunes is it's huge. But then again, I've never needed anything past Winamp 2.95 for music playing. It's perfect for me. I don't want a music player that takes up the whole screen. I don't need sidebars etc. But that's just me.
Yes and No. I like the Google style search "areas" that I can do with Directory Opus. I've tried desktop searches, but I don't care about searching within my text documents much, and I really like keeping things somewhat separate as I've stated.
:( )
I've also found that DO is about as fast searching w/out indexing and taking up resources as copernic desktop search was with indexing so...
With DO, I just have a favorite for music, doucment directory(ies) and of course the default "whole system". Ctrl-F and my search term, a couple seconds later, there's what I need.
I like having my bookmarks searched from within Opera the same way in manage bookmarks (instant find as you type though).
And e-mail within Eudora (though that doesn't work right with IMAP
So I like the hibrid. I get to the file the fastest way that way. Plus, I still have some idea of the underlying file structure. It also makes it easier to manage my FTP server.
Here I thought the Recent Buddies was a feature of Trillian 3...
I'd love to figure out how the web forum or chat games ever worked out. Anyway, the biggest issue isn't finding players as much as scheduling time anymore.