Ummm... Ok... I guess it does depend on how often you upgrade, but I went from my AGP TNT2 Ultra in 99 through my FX5600 to my current 6600GT all with the same basic motherboard slot. Sure I'll have to change slots the next upgrade in two years, but I'll have had 3 revisions on the same slot.
My DDR RAM has worked from 2003-present, and likely into late 2006 when the DDR2 starts to reach real world consumer price levels. That's 3 different motherboards for me and 2 different CPU Archetectures.
The only thing that has really been changing so fast IME is CPU to Motherboard. It's not really worth planning to upgrade your CPU without also upgrading your motherboard.
That all said, this next upgrade will be a bitch as it seems every component hit an upgrade cycle at the same time here (I hope this doesn't become the norm, or a lot of the x86 cost benefit for us build it yourselfers goes out the window as you said) and I'll need to look at PCIe, Socket 939 (or this new one), DDR2 and SATA. I'll need a good $2k for the upgrade vs the $300-- $500 I'm used too. Ouch.
Isn't this kind of not true - you're paying for FireFox every time you purchase something from IBM, or buy something from AOL TimeWarner, or get a Nokia phone? You know, the big companies that are donating to Mozilla, they get their money from somewhere - I would guess from their revenue streams...
Actually - Civil law vs criminal law are different. Basically, in "criminal" law, there are 3 levels - violation or infraction, misdemenor, felony. Violations aren't crimes though, so that's where it's a little confusing. It's still criminal law, but you haven't committed a crime. The reason it's criminal law is because it's the state charging you - not another individual, which is what civil law is about (the "prosecutor" must be another citizen, not the state).
With the pay version of Opera, you can do everything above except put stuff on the menu bar. However, you can just turn off the menu bar and get even more space - and just use keyboard shortcuts or mouseguestures.
Heck, you can do that just by pressing F11, and you've got nothing on your screen but the website.
Has anyone tried using the newer UltraVNC - the one with driver hooks and such? Seems to work just fine for me - though back in 2001 I was doing fine with tightVNC over Cable, and it was perfectly usable.
I'm amazed that people put up with this... Possibly (frequently?) losing functionality and data with upgrades? Having to vett plugins seems like a real PITA to me - but then, I don't use FF because of that.
Weird - that doesn't seem to happen at all for my mom's work e-mail. Granted, it's not used all the time (in fact, I'd say about 150 mails have been read total with it, and maybe 10 e-mails sent) but I haven't seen that at all in Opera 7.54-8.01. Maybe some bugs someone ought to look for in FF?
I know opera has a duplicate feature ctrl-alt-n to do what IE does, but in a tab, whereas ctrl-n just opens a blank page (I may have an older keyboard setup - it may have been changed in O8).
It also searches in text boxes (though it has the older IE style pop-up dialogue box for ctrl-F.
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I'm a little confused though - is that page supposed to pop something up? I ask becasue I have successfully blocked some pop-ups which are DHTML based using proxomitron.
Granted, there isn't a block all approach, but a community finding said ads can easily block them to a list like the vaunted G list (I think, I don't use FF or AdBlock) or grypen's proxo list - and AdMuncher too I would guess.
Worse for the IE only site is that you also have to figure the other browser's in - I think Safari and Opera each have ~2% so you're at maybe 15% you drop in an IE only site.
Also, I hope that FF will continue to convince people to write more standards complient sites (and not just do an IF IE do this, IF FF do this - and leave out Opera, Safari etc users) so everyone can access them.
I don't know, the recent greasemonky issue where they can read your entire hard drive seems rather serious to me - though this is more an indightment of the extension system than FF specifically.
Opera also doesn't have the vulnerabilities one gets from extensions - see the beta whitelist they had to add, and now the greasemonky debacle. I still maintain that if anyone can alter the core app, you will end up with the same issues you have with IE BHOs.
As an anonymous coward said, various third party adblockers (well, that's what AdBlock is - a separate program that clicks into FF) are as good or better than adblock - see proxomitron and AdMuncher. The best part is both of those work for all browsers on your system, so you're not locked into any particular browser because of adblocking.
Actually, there was, you just may not have heard of it then. When I found out about Opera v5.12 in 2001 (long before FireFox) I tried it out, and never went back.
Well, from what I see, the pitch is more like FF is the secure browser. And there are extensions for it to get more functionality. There definitely needs to be some strong disclaimers as to the extensions being insecure - and not vouched for by the FF team.
Right now, it comes across as if they are basically part and parcel of the same thing...
Well, I frequently see this - but I have to ask - why is it better to only access the users files?
I really don't care if FF can read and send out the OS files - heck, anyone can read the Linux/Windows files from any machine with the same OS as I have.
The files I care about are precicely the user files - you know, the ones with my banking information or my homework in them...
Does Tiny Firewalls WinGuard do this? I think it did permission based stuff per process, but I think it also did disk access control. I'd like that - but don't want the rest of the firewall.
ProcessGuard does a little of this, but doesn't do anything with disk access right now...
Isn't there a problem with this somewhat blase attitude to it - it's only an extension? Isn't one of the main selling points of FF the extensions? I know I personally don't see much difference between FF and an extension to it.
Or are you recommending not using extensions, because FF isn't responsible for them?
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Ummm... Ok... I guess it does depend on how often you upgrade, but I went from my AGP TNT2 Ultra in 99 through my FX5600 to my current 6600GT all with the same basic motherboard slot. Sure I'll have to change slots the next upgrade in two years, but I'll have had 3 revisions on the same slot.
My DDR RAM has worked from 2003-present, and likely into late 2006 when the DDR2 starts to reach real world consumer price levels. That's 3 different motherboards for me and 2 different CPU Archetectures.
The only thing that has really been changing so fast IME is CPU to Motherboard. It's not really worth planning to upgrade your CPU without also upgrading your motherboard.
That all said, this next upgrade will be a bitch as it seems every component hit an upgrade cycle at the same time here (I hope this doesn't become the norm, or a lot of the x86 cost benefit for us build it yourselfers goes out the window as you said) and I'll need to look at PCIe, Socket 939 (or this new one), DDR2 and SATA. I'll need a good $2k for the upgrade vs the $300-- $500 I'm used too. Ouch.
That's (sort of) what Opera decided to do with v8.02 betas...
Well, look at Opera 8 with full page zoom, and "Fit to width". Then, if you dislike Opera, suggest someone copy that for FF.
Isn't this kind of not true - you're paying for FireFox every time you purchase something from IBM, or buy something from AOL TimeWarner, or get a Nokia phone? You know, the big companies that are donating to Mozilla, they get their money from somewhere - I would guess from their revenue streams...
Actually - Civil law vs criminal law are different. Basically, in "criminal" law, there are 3 levels - violation or infraction, misdemenor, felony. Violations aren't crimes though, so that's where it's a little confusing. It's still criminal law, but you haven't committed a crime. The reason it's criminal law is because it's the state charging you - not another individual, which is what civil law is about (the "prosecutor" must be another citizen, not the state).
I thought there was an easy way to MITM SSL now - those traffic shaping proxies that even read SSL traffic ... I'm sure I've read about them.
With the pay version of Opera, you can do everything above except put stuff on the menu bar. However, you can just turn off the menu bar and get even more space - and just use keyboard shortcuts or mouseguestures.
Heck, you can do that just by pressing F11, and you've got nothing on your screen but the website.
Has anyone tried using the newer UltraVNC - the one with driver hooks and such? Seems to work just fine for me - though back in 2001 I was doing fine with tightVNC over Cable, and it was perfectly usable.
I'm amazed that people put up with this... Possibly (frequently?) losing functionality and data with upgrades? Having to vett plugins seems like a real PITA to me - but then, I don't use FF because of that.
Weird - that doesn't seem to happen at all for my mom's work e-mail. Granted, it's not used all the time (in fact, I'd say about 150 mails have been read total with it, and maybe 10 e-mails sent) but I haven't seen that at all in Opera 7.54-8.01. Maybe some bugs someone ought to look for in FF?
I know opera has a duplicate feature ctrl-alt-n to do what IE does, but in a tab, whereas ctrl-n just opens a blank page (I may have an older keyboard setup - it may have been changed in O8).
It also searches in text boxes (though it has the older IE style pop-up dialogue box for ctrl-F.
I'm a little confused though - is that page supposed to pop something up? I ask becasue I have successfully blocked some pop-ups which are DHTML based using proxomitron.
Granted, there isn't a block all approach, but a community finding said ads can easily block them to a list like the vaunted G list (I think, I don't use FF or AdBlock) or grypen's proxo list - and AdMuncher too I would guess.
Worse for the IE only site is that you also have to figure the other browser's in - I think Safari and Opera each have ~2% so you're at maybe 15% you drop in an IE only site.
Also, I hope that FF will continue to convince people to write more standards complient sites (and not just do an IF IE do this, IF FF do this - and leave out Opera, Safari etc users) so everyone can access them.
How quickly everyone forgets BHO's (remember google toolbar???).
I don't know, the recent greasemonky issue where they can read your entire hard drive seems rather serious to me - though this is more an indightment of the extension system than FF specifically.
Opera also doesn't have the vulnerabilities one gets from extensions - see the beta whitelist they had to add, and now the greasemonky debacle. I still maintain that if anyone can alter the core app, you will end up with the same issues you have with IE BHOs.
As an anonymous coward said, various third party adblockers (well, that's what AdBlock is - a separate program that clicks into FF) are as good or better than adblock - see proxomitron and AdMuncher. The best part is both of those work for all browsers on your system, so you're not locked into any particular browser because of adblocking.
Outlook Web Access seems to work fine in Opera 8 - so I would guess it ought to work in FF.
Actually, there was, you just may not have heard of it then. When I found out about Opera v5.12 in 2001 (long before FireFox) I tried it out, and never went back.
Well, from what I see, the pitch is more like FF is the secure browser. And there are extensions for it to get more functionality. There definitely needs to be some strong disclaimers as to the extensions being insecure - and not vouched for by the FF team.
Right now, it comes across as if they are basically part and parcel of the same thing...
What OS would that be?
Well, I frequently see this - but I have to ask - why is it better to only access the users files?
I really don't care if FF can read and send out the OS files - heck, anyone can read the Linux/Windows files from any machine with the same OS as I have.
The files I care about are precicely the user files - you know, the ones with my banking information or my homework in them...
Does Tiny Firewalls WinGuard do this? I think it did permission based stuff per process, but I think it also did disk access control. I'd like that - but don't want the rest of the firewall.
ProcessGuard does a little of this, but doesn't do anything with disk access right now...
Doesn't requiring managing extensions to the extent you would manage executables make extensions a real big hassle?
Is greasemonky on mozdev.org? If so - can we blame mozilla/FF for a security lapse?
Isn't there a problem with this somewhat blase attitude to it - it's only an extension? Isn't one of the main selling points of FF the extensions? I know I personally don't see much difference between FF and an extension to it.
Or are you recommending not using extensions, because FF isn't responsible for them?