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Firefox and Thunderbird 1.0.6 Released
micpp writes "Only a short time after the release of version 1.0.5, Mozilla has released version 1.0.6 of both Firefox and Thunderbird . This update fixes a bug in the browser and email program which prevented some extensions from working."
is there anyway to use Thunderbird's spam filter to hide spam in a newsgroup yet?
Three cheers for efficient open-source response to bugs.
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AHHHHHHHHHH!!! This wasn't part of any cycle I was told about! My god! My day is ruined! Thank god Microsoft will be consistent. My life can get back to normal in a couple weeks.
Just a boy doing unproffesional IT work that's way above his head.
the software update feature never worked for me. I had to download and install.
...is having all my extensions and themes disabled whenever I install a new version of Firefox. Granted, you can re-enable them through about:config, but wouldn't it be nicer to have a dialogue box on first launch (along the lines of "You have some old extensions installed which may not be 100% compatible - do you want to disable them?")?
And tomorrow the stock exchange will be the human race
Ok, I read the title, and my first move: Tools > Check for updates...
:D
No new updates found.
Why?
Whoops! That's Deer Park Alpha 1.
Admit: How many of you fell for the same thing?
Anagram("United States of America") == "Dine out, taste a Mac, fries"
So why has the version of Thunderbird leapt from 1.0.2 to 1.0.6? Is that to give it the same version as Firefox? Very bizarre...
"If you think the problem is bad now, just wait until we've solved it." --- Arthur Kasspe
The article summary pretty much sums it up, for once. ;)
Now if only they could fix a bug that would get authors to update their extensions to the new browser version. I miss my FireGoat browswer
(yes, I know there's a way to fix firesomething, but I haven't had time and it's just annoying to install an extension to get an error saying that it's for an older version)
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I'm still at 1.04 and for the past few weeks I've checked for new updated (Tools > Options > Advanced) and my Firefox still says there are no updates for the browser. Extensions have been updating.
I see they still have tabbed web browsing, which has been in Internet Explorer since version 7.0.
I'm a big tall mofo.
Can Mozilla's servers be /.ed?
All your Sybase are belong to us.
from a Firefox press release in the near future...
"total Firefox downloads have doubled in the last month!"
Actually, it jumed from version 1.0.2 to 1.0.5 to syncronise there, but 1.0.5 for a very short-lived version, because as mentioned it broke quite a lot of plug-ins. All 1.0.6 contains over 1.0.5 is a fix to the plugin breakage.
Combination - fun iPhone puzzling
Can we get a list of mirrors, please? mozilla.org is blocked at the proxy here at work. *grumble*
IWARS.
People, in general, disappoint me. Politicians even more so.
All of these software updates are driving me nuts. Under Debian it's fine, just "apt-get upgrade" and things happen fairly seamlessly. But on my windows box, updating requires downloading a new installer for each program, in some cases uninstalling the new version, and then running each new installer. These window installers all require multiple steps, and so it's just a big hassle to stay current.
Why can't more programs these days have automatic updates? Firefox does in theory. It'll check for new updates, then download the new version and start the installer for you and then break your install. Not the updating experience I'm looking for.
Why can't software updates operate more like Eclipse's update tool? Or Sun's Java update? Or Adobe reader's? Or dare I say it, Microsofts Windows update?
And yes, I'm lazy. This is supposed to be one of the menial tasks where computers replace people.
Greasemonkey has been finally updated to make it compatibile with Deer Park.
Anagram("United States of America") == "Dine out, taste a Mac, fries"
I wish I could better manage less-standard header fields in the message list in Thunderbird. I recently posted this question to Mozillazine:
7 61
http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?t=294
Can anyone tell me if this kind of Spamassassin integration is possible?
OF COURSE, the British among us who chose to use the en-GB version of Mozilla Firefox instead of en-US (to have the word "color" spelt correctly) have to wait a week or two for new versions of Firefox to be available with the update feature, because we all know how difficult it must be to translate from American English to British English (clue: replace "colors" with "colours").
Those counting on the update feature are still suck on version 1.0.4 of Mozilla Firefox (en-GB). There is something seriously wrong with the Mozilla Firefox translation procedure (heck, even fr-FR is available before en-GB in the update directory).
I honestly wish you could do a "block sender" in newsgroups. Really, it would make usenet a little bit more bearable. But all the blocking features seem to be reserved for email.
I tried messing around with the rules & such for newsgroups(filters?) but they never came close to working.
What Thunderbird really needs is to support uuencode/decode. Why does only Freeagent and some freeware newsreader support this, yet is wideley used on usenet? What's the difficulty here?
If Thunderbird supported that, it could steal some users away from the ungodly complicated FreeAgent.
You are technically correct, the best kind of correct.
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and it's not like the x.x.6 release is a major release either, jumping several points on the third modifier is quite common.
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Version 1.1 for both apps will be out in the summer which offers updates in the style of windows updates, which is a good thing. You don't have to reinstall the whole application, it just updates what is needed. Hur-ray!
Yeah, an integrated update feature would be nice.
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Their canvas, svg, css3, and e4x support is looking pretty good.
If people who develop software for other OS'es. Meaning people who write Firefox, or Acrobat, or whatever.. submitted their fixes to the OS company. Firefox would submit to Linux (respective groups), Apple, Windows...etc.. and then when the computer did it's "automatic" update with the OS vender it would update all the other arbitrary programs as well.
Instead of having to go to 30 different update sites for 30 different pieces of software. ??
Mirror of Mac, Windows and nix version (English) here.
Sounds like you should try Opera. :-)
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I'm curious as to how it got past the QA team that 1.0.5 broke a bunch of extensions. Downloading say, the 10 most popular extensions and testing them is too dificult and time consuming?
The Doormat
If you're not outraged, then you're not paying attention.
...it's worth clarifying that this release fixes one, and only one bug.
There's no (known) security vulnerability here, so if you're extension free, or see no effects, you can shrug this one off.
boakes.org
Perhaps it's my impatience, but Firefox seems to launch slower w/each update. Sometimes it takes up to 3 or 4 minutes. It's not necessarily the extensions . On 3 similar machines, one with 14 ext, another w/none and another w/ 3, Firefox launches slow on all.
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HAHA... wrong thread.. *ducks*
I'm downloading Firefox with Firefox...
releasing anything releases of 1.0.5 except for the american version?
The folks at Firefox fixed one bug and issued a "point point" release. Whoopie! Thanks for sharing! In other news, Firefox has gained .0054% market share in the last week. This is up from a gain of .00535% the week before. Real exciting.
Funny comment, but are you getting paid to be here? I see your sig leads to an insurance add. Therefore, you suck :P Whats next? Will microsoft be paying people to blog smack against linux?
That being said, order office today!
This worked for me: http://download.mozilla.org.nyud.net:8090/?product =firefox-1.0.6&os=win&lang=en-US
and
http://download.mozilla.org.nyud.net:8090/?product =thunderbird-1.0.6&os=win&lang=en-US
Have you got one of these yet?
I'm getting very twitchy about surfing at all, and really don;t want to have to install FF as well as Moz, just to feel safe.
Not that I want to actually complain or anything ... I'm still grateful to all the developers, but *please* don't forget us Mozilla fans.
Automatic Updates... Why in hell would you want software to automatically update/uninstall/install on your pc? The act of allowing anybody or anything besides yourself to determine what changes are made to your computer is just ridiculous....
But then again, everyone who is complaining wants it 'to be more like Windows Update'. MICROSOFT Windows Update? Oh... So you're running a Microsoft OS? That is just plain stupid.... If you're crazy enough to run a Microsoft OS, and then turn around complaining about Thunderbird and Firefox - then you should stick with Explorer and Outlook.
They stagger the times updates are delivered, so they can handle the bandwidth.
I downloaded from these links:
t =thunderbird-1.0.6&os=win&lang=en-US
t =firefox-1.0.6&os=win&lang=en-US
http://download.mozilla.org.nyud.net:8090/?produc
and
http://download.mozilla.org.nyud.net:8090/?produc
Have you got one of these yet?
What I was trying to figure out was why someone felt it necessary to synchronize the versions of Firefox and Thunderbird. After all, if you do that, in the future you'll either get them out of step again, or kept artificially in-step. By artificially, I mean that when critical changes are needed for one package, a corresponding copy of the other will be released whether it needs changes or not; or critical changes for one package will be stalled for release until similar changes are required to the other package.
And to whoever it was who modded my parent post 'Redundant', erm, what? Perfectly sensible question. Version numbers are supposed to indicative of (a) the progress of the project and (b) the degree of change from one version to the next. Messing with the version numbers for no good reason only causes confusion.
"If you think the problem is bad now, just wait until we've solved it." --- Arthur Kasspe
This is such a minor release, check out the release notes: http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/releases/1 .0.6.html
I wonder when Tbird will get the ability to "Always display images from " like Gmail has. We really need to add that feature, plus a few other convenience features.
As slashdot doesn't support posting of these directly in a sane way, use these links: ;).
;-) .
http://www.freebase.be/software.htm?Firefox
http://www.freebase.be/software.htm?Thunderbird
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About time they sync'd the version numbers.
~The TwoTailedFox posts again....
rpm -qi firefox
Name : firefox
Relocations: (not relocatable)
Version : 1.0.6
Vendor: Red Hat, Inc.
Release : 0.1.fc4
Build Date: Tue 19 Jul 2005 12:50:13 AM CEST
Install Date: Wed 20 Jul 2005 10:45:20 AM CEST
Build Host: decompose.build.redhat.com
thank you.
um.. it may by from tupdates..
Yeah, I know, ignore the release version and install the nightly build. Which is the same fix suggested when 1.0.2 was released.
Don't blame me; I'm never given mod points.
I'd laugh of the developers of both programs decided to "race" each other on how many viable updates they can make(to increase the version #). So to start it off they put both versions at 1.06 :)
integrate firefox and thunderbird any better than previous versions?
My personal gripes are
1) Lack of typeahead find in Thunderbird
2) Lack of "open in new tab" option on links in thunderbird.
They should just print out the binary diffs to the previous version and mail them to you so you can make the changes in a hex editor. Do you really trust their installer application to make the changes to your computer?
Don't blame me; I'm never given mod points.
still prefer using classic mozilla (writing this inside mozilla 1.8 beta) to firefox, because last time I checked firefox (been a while), it was so low on features.
Though your post is a bit trollish, there are a few who are with you in prefering the suite. Mozilla is my desktop as far as the internet is concerned. Now that they want to force everyone to use seperate apps I really have a hard time justifying keeping just yet another browser around. Konq keeps getting better with every KDE release and Kmail and Knode are sufficient, Still, there is something nostalgic about Mozilla that will keep me using the suite until it totally dies out, and I am keeping an eye on the Seamonkey project.
Time is what keeps everything from happening all at once.
My vote for the buggiest software besides Microsoft Internet Explorer is Windows Update.
Why does Microsoft want security risks? Maybe this is the answer: When people have problems with their computer, they often buy a new computer. Then Microsoft sells another copy of Windows, which, of course, still has huge security risks.
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If your gov't chose killing as policy, expect others to choose the same.
Ubuntu is not icorporating FF updates in their depository as fast as it should. I love Ubuntu, but not taking care in the security of the most used web app. doesn't make me fell safe using it.
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This has been a "feature" since the NS 3.x days!
Can anyone tell me how I can find or generate (via bonsai) a changelog to show exactly what was changed in Firefox between 1.0.5 and 1.0.6? The Fx release notes don't give Bugzilla references, or anything else like that.
Save Maine's economy: write stuff down. All comments are exclusively my own, not my employer.
After the 1.0.4 installer, my Fx refused to work at all, it loads up but won't display any interactions, rendering it useless!
NOBJOKT
No, honestly, relax; put the kettle on.
Firefox 1.0.5 was the first release since 1.0.4.
This is release 1.0.6
1.0.5 was released on July 14th, six days ago.
boakes.org
I personally downloaded the 4most popular extentions and a cuple of personal favorates after installing 1.0.5 and they all worked. The only one that didn't was a small plugin that makes firefox download pdf's instead of showing them.
Maybe they did just as you say but like me didn't notice any big problems.
Anytime someone points out a deficiency in an open source software or other popular "thing", it is automatically a troll, no matter how relevant or accurate the statement is.
And it thinks Mozilla browser is Firefox... ::Sigh::
Oh well, back to Moz...
Can someone help me?
MNORNWA
You're new here, right?
I like your attitude. Keep it up.
"Insanity is doing the same thing over again expecting a different result."
I'm curious as to how it got past the QA team that 1.0.5 broke a bunch of extensions. Downloading say, the 10 most popular extensions and testing them is too dificult and time consuming?
It wasn't THAT obvious. I have about 20 extensions installed and the only annoyance I noticed was middle-click-open-in-new-tab not working once in a while, apparently at random. Friends of mine who have (far) fewer extensions never noticed anything was wrong with 1.0.5.
Plus, I suspect a dev might not have many extensions installed, because they could viciate the behaviour of the vanilla application. I also imagine it's enough work on FF itself to worry about 3rd party extensions which may not be written properly in the first place.
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That is, why should I be root to installe dictionary extensions? Every time I install a new version of Thunderbird, I have to become root --> Open Thunderbird --> Install dictionaries!! There should be a better way. How?
All of these software updates are driving me nuts. Under Debian it's fine, just "apt-get upgrade" and things happen fairly seamlessly. But on my windows box, updating requires downloading a new installer for each program, in some cases uninstalling the new version, and then running each new installer. These window installers all require multiple steps, and so it's just a big hassle to stay current.
Don't worry. I'm sure that eventually Windows will be ready for the desktop one day.
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Of course, the latest beta of Opera 8.0.2 has bittorrent built in -- primarily to releave its own server load when providing upgrades -- but it works great on any torrent file.
Evolution is a fact. Darwinism is a joke.
Version 1.1 for both apps will be out in the summer
They had better hurry, summer is more than half over!
The Deer Park Alphas currently start up about 7 times faster then current firefox builds for me, that in addition to the new update system only updating what needs to be updated, and then on top of that the new SVG support, 1.1 is goign to be kick ass. Of course there are many other enhancements as well, but these oens stick out to me.
Regards,
Steve
Take off the tinfoil hat, moron.
Do you really trust a hex editor to save the file correctly? I manually flip the appropriate magnetized bits on the hard disk platters.
The global economy is a great thing until you feel it locally.
What Thunderbird really needs is a calendar client. Then maybe I'd consider switching over from Outlook.
...can it encode and decode rot13 messages yet? rec.humor.funny is that little bit less funny without this.
I guess today is a passable day to die.
Some sods modded you flamebait but I agree.
Updating for the sake of updating is usually pretty damned stupid.
Upgrading to XP from 2000 is very stupid, and most businesses learned that early on. Upgrading from office 97 to whatever the 60 versions released after it also is pretty damned stupid, no real features added other than the trademarked "wallet lightening (tm)" feature of spending $499.00 every year for new icons and other worthless eye candy with some useful incompatability added in for free.
Fools update without a real reason. which accurately describes 95% of the computer owning population.
Does thunderbird / firefox actuall have a gtk "port" or does it just use a crude hack to adopt gtk themes? Thunderbird especially, still looks terrible in gnome - not all the elements (vertical separator bar thingy, detail column tabs etc.) look like native gtk widgets / adopt themes properly
I bet every computer you've ever owned has been turned into a spam zombie because you didn't think updating your OS was worth it.
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They need to make widely-available release candidates, even if just for a day or two before the official release. Then many more users (and the developers of the extensions) would test them out
Firefox 1.05 broke so many extensions for me that I upgraded to the alpha build of Deer Park (Firefox 1.1), released the same day. That actually breaks fewer extensions than 1.05, and adds some cool features. Seems stable enough too, and it also has all the security fixes of Firefox 1.01 thru 1.06.
Firefox 1.0.5 was the first release since 1.0.4.
Indeed. But 1.0.6 is the first release after 1.0.4 that most users are going to get.
Every time a new Firefox comes out, I download it and eagerly wait in expectation to see if it works when I search my bookmarks on the Mac. I install it, try the search, and it immediately crashes. I am disappointed yet again, and return to Safari.
Does FF/TB have some type of a management console, that allows you to push updates out to client computers. I work at a university with 3k+ computers, I pity the foo who has to update boxes for a week straight, only to have 1.0.7 come out the next day. Or does anyone know of an open source client management system, that would hold updates for clients and auto-update if out of date clients pass by the manager?
I have had trouble with Firefox loading Amazon.com since 1.0.4. The home page will take several minutes to load on a DSL contection. I run Mac OS 10.3.9. I thought maybe it had to do with Amazon's new layout, but now I'm not so sure.
Cause it refuses to work for my prior versions, won't even show the submit button when you try to sign up for their Music Station service.
Yeah, i should RTFM, but it's a new laptop and workarounds are sometimes quicker.
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To quote Anakin Skywalker (pre-Darth Vader) from Star Wars "Return of the Sith" in regards to R2D2:
:)
"Ahem - NO 'loose wire' jokes: He's trying!"
To his mentor/master Jedi Knight, Obi-Wan Kenobi!
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I don't think folks understand that the larger & more complex a program gets, the HARDER & more difficult it becomes to make fixes/patches... especially ones that are due to extensible 3rd party add-ons like the XUL community creates to extend FireFox/Mozilla!
APK
P.S.=> They're trying, & imo? Doing an admirable job of pushing out fixes very quickly... but, in this case between versions 1.05 & 1.06?
Just a WEE bit too quickly, since the fix in 1.05 over earlier builds broke things... it happens!
I have dealt with the FireFox/Mozilla community's development team & personnel directly in the past regarding a bug on a homemade webpage forums engine over @ NTCompatible.com that I found!
Know what?
They wrote me directly, THAT day, & fixed it by the next day (talk about service! Personable service no less) & then came & spoke to us all there @ that website!
That was cool... they're just like R2D2, they're trying & doing great!
All they need to do? Is just control the problems in XUL 3rd party addons they offer from the folks in that community... perhaps a better/more stringent testing program is required?
Because, like IE? ActiveX 3rd party addons have been meant as good, but got turned to the "dark side" & all it takes is that 1 bad apple to spoil the whole bunch in the barrel & give them ALL a bad name/rap!
History showed us all that... perhaps the Mozilla/FireFox folks will rewrite history this round regarding their XUL 3rd party freeware addons for FireFox/Mozilla being a better experience than ActiveX DLL extension was for IE...
I admire one thing greatly about them: They're websurfers, building a browser for websurfers! You cannot knock that!
Still, however, I will stick by Opera as it has proven itself THE FASTEST time & again on most things internet-wise in tests online, & also has just as many (if not more in version 8.02) features as does FireFox by default (& both blow away IE 6.x here, even the Windows Server 2003 builds of it with integrated popupblockers & better overall init. security settings)... apk
If you are on Windows, and are not forced to use Acrobat, try Foxit as a PDF Reader. It loads very quickly.
The version I am using does not load the pdf into the browser window, however, with as quickly as it loads a pdf, I do not mind this at all.
They need to make widely-available release candidates, even if just for a day or two before the official release. Then many more users (and the developers of the extensions) would test them out
We do make release candidates available several days before the release. Keep an eye on the Mozilla Quality blog for notices. You can also find notices on MozillaZine fairly consistently.
- A
I've noticed quite a bit of unauthorized pop-ups making it through Firefox lately.
Easiest example I could think of off the top of my head to show this is to search google for song lyrics and visit one of those sites.
WTF? They're always from fastclick and casalemedia and other shit that's already on the block list.
Also notice that even blocked domains for setting cookies (also from fastclick and casalemedia) are STILL able to set cookies.
Hopefully it's been fixed...
We have secretly replaced these Slashdot mods' sense of humor with a rusty nail. Let's see if they notice!!
Well, I don't want to see ONE memory leak in that new version.
No new features before fixing the memory leaks!
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I have *such* a hard time getting to those in-between platters.
Platters?
I string cores on wire.
I form the cores and wires myself.
It's transcribing the goddamn Firefox machine code to wire boards that's hard...
(I'll bet ALL of that went completely over the heads of the 16-year-old
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oh well.
probably the same way that they still haven't fixed the music.yahoo.com bug either.
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I am generally an Opera fan, but have recently been trying out Deer Park Alpha 2 and am also quite impressed. The fast back and forward feature is sweet, and the whole package seems a bit faster than the stable releases(although still slower than Opera for me).
One feature that Opera has which keeps me coming back for more is the ability to easily navigate webpages via the keyboard, using shift and the arrow keys.
I also believe that rocker navigation should be in Firefox by default. Why not?
I may have Foxit, since I have a dozen PDF writers and readers. I'll look into it.
The behavior is really strange with Acrobat. I'm not sure if it's Firefox or Acrobat. When the PDF opens, and I go to save it after scanning the first page to see if I want to save it, the PDF freezes and I can't open the file save dialog for a minute, even if the document is only a couple pages long. Eventually it unsticks itself and I can save it. No problem with this using Reader outside Firefox. Very irritating.
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Yeah, well, avoiding memory leaks is Programming 101 (or at least 102).
I used to use Opera. I switched to Firefox and Thunderbird to finally have a completely free, un-ad-supported browser and email client. And actually I find Firefox crashes less than Opera did, especially with the Register site which used to crash Opera regularly.
But I save images regularly from the Net, and after a few hundred image saves, Firefox becomes almost unusable and must be restarted, which indicates a serious memory leak to me.
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From the release notes:
"When upgrading, all your Extensions and Themes will be disabled. This is not an issue, but it may appear to be one..."
This may be a pretty serious issue. After I updated firefox, it wouldn't start. It turned out I was using the bookmarkshome extension, and I had my homepage set to the bookmarkshome page. Since the extension was disabled, the homepage couldn't be generated, which apparently prevented firefox from starting.
The only fix I could find was to manually edit my prefs.js file and change homepage to something else. This is not a hard fix, but I think lot of people will not be able to figure this out. They will just say "hmm, I updated firefox and it doesn't even start, what a piece of #$%^".
AccountKiller
Thunderbird jumped from 1.0.2 to 1.0.6 because it received the same patches as 1.0.6 Firefox. The 1.0.3 and 1.0.4 releases did not happen because they were patches for JavaScript exploits. Thunderbird ships with JavaScript turned off. Mozilla decided to wait until a security release of Thunderbird was needed that would have affected the majority of users rather then make users go through a likely pointless upgrade.
These people look deep within my soul and assign me a number based upon the order I joined. -Homer Simpson
That's one of the reasons to decide against a lean browser that has to be extended via extensions. With 10 extensions that may or may not be installed you already have more than 3,6 million combinations (correct?). Testing sth. monolitic like the old Mozilla suite is definitly easier than testing Firefox with a billion combinations of different extensions.
That's why I think that Firefox should make their tab handling better as tab reordering and session saving are essential IMHO. (miniT for reordering tabs will be in 1.1 IIRC but I haven't heard anything about tab session saving. A simple dialog at the start of the browser that asks about restoring the session from the last time would be enough for the base IMHO).
I don't question the decision to build a lean browser plus extension, but a browser that claims "tabs" as one of the big plusses should have a good tab management built in by default.
Bye egghat.
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Dear Slashdot editors,
I never thought I might get to say this, but now it looks like I can: "But I just installed Firefox 1.0.5..."
(marks another item done on the great big "you know you're a Slashdot reader when..." list)
Reason #1 is there is no way to POP mail to an SMTP server on any port other than 25. Comcast blocks port 25 on their network if you're sending email through an SMTP server other than their own. So I can't use my work email account at home on Comcast unless I use port 587. Thunderbird doesn't let me do that (at least I can't see a way to do it).
Reason #2: Thunderbird's address book doesn't import V-cards, still. On the Mac there's no convenient way to export OS X's Address Book, where I keep all my contact info, other than as a V-card without using a third party utility--and none of them seem to work very well.
When I screw up, though, I have to use the fallback version (latest stable).
:-)
Still, it's fun to test it in this way. Eating my own dogfood and all that makes it more obvious when I decide to shoot myself in the foot, or head.
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Capital punishment? Dude, get your priorities sorted out.
Composer is doing just fine in the form of Nvu, soon all the updates made to Nvu will land in the Gecko tree.
They use javascript/ccs/dhtml and they suck.
We need to pester the FF people about it.
http://dhtml-menu.com/menu-demos/demo347.html
http://css.maxdesign.com.au/floatutorial/
Thanks for that; my immediate reaction to this story was "Huh? What happened to 1.0.5?"
Given that 1.0.5 contained security updates, a couple of which sound quite serious, it sounds like something went pretty badly wrong here. Did a release incorporating security patches really break compatibility with extensions, and somehow get through testing and get released anyway, or am I misunderstanding? Does anyone know when 1.0.5 was released?
I wish they'd stop messing around with Thunderbird as well, BTW. My current installation at home has some horrific bugs, which would certainly mean instant uninstallation and dumping of the software if I were trying Thunderbird for the first time. (In case anyone else has the same: mine isn't checking for new mail at the configured interval; the display gets corrupted to show trees featuring the same message many times with no other messages in the thread shown; whitespace in both e-mail and newsgroup messages is being randomly collected together, leaving other words running into each other; the new message count is completely screwed; and those are just the ones off the top of my head. This all started after installing 1.0. I'm using the global inbox with several accounts, and also briefly used a saved search folder for the first time, the which has since been deleted.) How bugs as obvious and serious as this made it through even basic testing is beyond me. It would take some pretty serious and wide-ranging architectural flaws to get these results, and until recently I thought the Mozilla family's code review processes seemed pretty good.
I've been waiting for auto-updating to tell me a new version was ready in the hope that this would fix the problems and restore Thunderbird to its previous, wonderful self. Apparently I've been waiting in vain, since I've just discovered that unlike Firefox, Thunderbird doesn't support auto-updates yet. Moreover, they keep jumping version numbers around and the release notes are sketchy about what "stability improvements" have been made, so it's hard to tell what has been changed and whether I should try a new version off the web site.
I hope they fix this soon, or the reputation Firefox and Thunderbird have earned for usability and robustness is going to disappear very fast, while Microsoft PR has a field day. :-(
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Set extensions.disabledObsolete to false in about:config.
I've gotten so used to my no-hassle way of doing it, I'm not sure if it works exactly the way you want without any special actions. With that set to false, I load in Safe Mode, get the warning about extensions being disabled, exit, and restart normally. Upon doing so, all my installed extensions (that don't have problems) work, without having to re-enable anything. This has become habit now so I'm not sure, but starting without Safe Mode may still disable them.
I can easily access Safe Mode (earlier versions didn't seem to provide much in the way of shortcuts) via my fancy desktop icon. http://pctech.invisibill.net.nyud.net:8090/mozext/ icons/ has details.
Err, no. n extensions that may or may not be installed corresponds to 2^n possible combinations. With no extensions, 2^n = 1, and this number will be doubled for every extension added. 2^10 is 1024.
To reach 3.6 million combinations you would need log(3.6*10^6)/log(2) extensions. This number lies somewhere between 21 and 22.
[Note: This holds true assuming that each extension has only two possible states; 'installed' or 'not installed'. If things like the order in which the extensions were installed were to matter, the number would indeed increase more quickly - but for simple extensions such as those in Firefox, that would seem to be horrendous software design.]
Your point, however, still holds: the number of possible testing environments increases exponentially with the number of available extensions, which can make debugging hard.
Whether or not this is offset by the increased flexibility of extension-based software is a matter of taste or philosophy.
Hard disks?
I manually cut holes in punch cards whenever *I* need to update a program.
The memory leaks are, in fact, fixed.
I've been using DP Alpha 2 since it came out, and it's absurdly sweet.
It's only an insult if it's not true.
Thunderbird jumped from 1.0.2 to 1.0.6 because it received the same patches as 1.0.6 Firefox [...]
Is that really why?!? That's not a good reason to mess with the version numbers. That's just confusing. I've heard no sensible reason why the Firefox and Thunderbird versions need to be the same at any one time. They are different applications, after all.
"If you think the problem is bad now, just wait until we've solved it." --- Arthur Kasspe
But I save images regularly from the Net, and after a few hundred image saves, Firefox becomes almost unusable and must be restarted, which indicates a serious memory leak to me.
:)
My wife had the same problem. An enormous list in the Downloads window (even if it's not set to display) can cause problems for Firefox. (memory hogging) You have to "clean up" the Downloads window; remove the list of completed downloads, or the program can start to crawl. There's a preference you can set that will cause Firefox to clear the list each time the program is closed, or to automatically clear individual downloads when they complete.
Do that, and it'll work like a charm for you!
Observe the social skills of Microsoft apologists.
This problem is not unique to Mozilla, even MS publishes guidance on how to avoid memory leaks in JavaScript and VBScript. This generally occurs because of circular references or hanging on to unnecessary references to large objects. So, while it is an issue, you have to consider what the cause is and how much the application can prevent it.
Pfft! Kids these days are so lazy. You probably don't even make your own paper.
To keep the Gecko core in sync with the version numbers for both Firefox and Thunderbird. Firefox and Thunderbird 1.0.6 corresponds to Gecko 1.7.10.
In your system Thunderbird 1.0.3 would correspond to Gecko 1.7.10 and Firefox 1.0.3 corresponds to Gecko 1.7.7 which would be released months apart from each other.
If that still does not satisfy you then just accept that it is a decision that you have no control over.
These people look deep within my soul and assign me a number based upon the order I joined. -Homer Simpson
Foxit really is much better. I had the same problems with Adobe Acrobat Reader in both IE and Firefox on windows. I would frequently end up with a dead instance of acroread in the background. The difference was that IE would just hang the one window, whereas Firefox would hang the entire application.
Of course, this is my biggest complaint about FireFox - instability and memory leaks. If I have FireFox open for a few hours, it will consume over 200-meg of memory. Even the default install has hanging issues with Flash content which I fixed by installing the flashblock extension. Upgrading to the next version without doing a complete uninstall first has been problematic for me. (flamebait) I never had these problems with IE!(/flamebait)
Next major complaint is that fixing some of these quirks requires going to the config page which is hardly intuitive. Why are these settings in the preference dialog boxes with real explanations where a non-IT person can find and understand them?
Actually, I am having the opposite problem: ff downloads pdf's and shows them outside the window, rather than my preferred behavior of showing them in the same window.
Like most open sores projects, Firefox may have some technical superiorities, but for the majority of users (currently almost 90% in the case of Firefox), there is absolutely no need to subject themselves to the difficulties of downloading and installing a new browser when it's very easy to continue using IE. What's that you say? Security updates? Also very easy. I just click on Windows Update and it installs all the patches for me lickety-split. If I need security patches for Firefox, I have to re-download and re-install the whole frickin' thing! Ludicrous! Remind me again why I would ever want to fiddle around with this Firefox thing? Why is it that Firefox loads slower than IE and uses more memory while it's running? I thought it was lean and fast? Doesn't look that way to me. Why is it that some web sites don't look right with Firefox? Tabbed browsing? Who cares? It just takes up space that could be used to display a web page and has no other benefits that we have been able to easily determine so far. I say it's a done deal and, try as they might, the Mozilla folks have so far failed to produce a superior product. Maybe they should look outside of the former Netscape intern, over-eager Stanford student with rich parents crowd for developers, or maybe professional management would help. Love, OpenSoresTroll
maybe if they wrote the damn thing properly the first time, they wouldnt need another point release every week.
abuse IE. What do you think those security zones are for? I'm still useing IE5.5 sp2 most of the time for my browsing needs. When properly secured there is no other browser currently coded that can beat it. If the Internet Zone security settings are locked down properly you don't even need 75% of the updates. /. is most of these dimlits don't even know what DENY "Allow paste operations via scripts" and DENY "Active scripting" means, because they've never read the fuckin manual.
The big problem here on
"When upgrading, all your Extensions and Themes will be disabled. This is not an issue, but it may appear to be one..."
... aaargggghhhh!
This may be a pretty serious issue. After I updated firefox, it wouldn't start. It turned out I was using the bookmarkshome extension, and I had my homepage set to the bookmarkshome page. Since the extension was disabled, the homepage couldn't be generated, which apparently prevented firefox from starting.
I had my BioBar reload, but it took three startups to get it working - and that was for the FireFox 1.0.5 release - now you're saying I have to go thru that AGAIN with 1.0.6
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for digging holes for posts :)
I agree. Some of the tab browser extensions from the first TBE (in the .7, .8 days) need to be incorporated in the trunk. I put that in on a feature request thread (again, in the .7, .8 days) and I got a stern message from Asa saying to download the extension.
The Doormat
If you're not outraged, then you're not paying attention.
Actually, I'm using the Download Manager Tweak extension since the Download dialog window never did close on completion even if you set that option. The Extension lets me open it automatically in a tab and then closes it when the download is finished. So the download screen is never in my face unless I click on its tab.
I'm not sure how using the Extension will affect your suggestion. Although the Extension allows you to see cleanup buttons on the toolbar, I've never used them.
I just looked at the Download screen and there's nothing there, so I'm assuming they are automatically cleaned via the Extension.
Also in the past, before the Extension, I always cleaned the download window frequently - I had to, since the stupid thing wouldn't close when it was done after a couple downloads unless you cleaned it.
Richard Steven Hack - This sig is TOO GODDAMN SHORT TO DO ANYTHING USEFUL WITH! MORONS!
I know I can just download it, but where is the autoupdate? I'm two versions behind now...
my preferred behavior of showing them in the same window
Dude, that's just stupid.
Agreed!
n speed [howtocreate.co.uk]
:)
Opera: It's THE "good stuff", & imo? Based on facts, for a couple of VERY SOLID reasons vs. IE, &/or FireFox:
1.) It wins in speed, everytime, in the online tests/analysis I have seen out there for years now at numerous sites in most ALL categories run in said tests!
E.G.-> http://www.howtocreate.co.uk/browserSpeed.html#wi
SUMMARY:
"So overall, Opera seems to be the fastest browser for windows. Firefox is not faster than Internet Explorer, except for scripting, but for standards support, security and features, it is a better choice. However, it is still not as fast as Opera, and Opera also offers a high level of standards support, security and features.
On Linux, Konqueror is the fastest for starting and viewing basic pages on KDE, but as soon as script or images are involved, or you want to use the back or forward buttons, or if you use Gnome, Opera is a faster choice, even though on KDE it will take a few seconds longer to start. Mozilla and Firefox give an overall good performance, but their script, cache handling and image-based page speed still cannot compare with Opera.
On Mac OS X, Opera and Safari are both very fast, with Safari 2 being faster at starting and rendering CSS, but with Opera still being distinguishably faster for rendering tables, scripting and history (especially compared with the much slower Safari 1.2). Camino is fast to start, but then it joins its sisters Mozilla and Firefox further down the list. Neither Mozilla, Firefox nor IE perform very well on Mac, being generally slower than on other operating systems"
(On the Windows Platform, in THAT test alone, it took 4 of 7 total categories... nuff said on that account! Considering 90% of the world's computers run Windows based Os' (hopefully Windows NT-based ones by now)? That's saying a HELL of a LOT!)
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2.) Opera is definitely the "least attacked/most secure" of the "big 3" browers'-wise (IE, FireFox/Mozilla/Opera) out there...
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So, unless somebody can show us otherwise here, I will stick by those statements!
(They ARE why I like Opera better than the others in the "big 3" of web-browsers & I am mostly a "Pro-Win32" guy & admit it... though I like & finally respect Linux 2.6x core with KDE on the desktop, & really do respect what MacOS X has become as well!)
APK
Agreed!
n speed [howtocreate.co.uk]
:)
Opera: It's THE "good stuff", & imo? Based on facts, for a couple of VERY SOLID reasons vs. IE, &/or FireFox:
1.) Opera wins in speed, everytime, in the online tests/analysis I have seen out there for years now at numerous sites in most ALL categories run in said tests!
E.G.-> http://www.howtocreate.co.uk/browserSpeed.html#wi
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SUMMARY:
"So overall, Opera seems to be the fastest browser for windows. Firefox is not faster than Internet Explorer, except for scripting, but for standards support, security and features, it is a better choice. However, it is still not as fast as Opera, and Opera also offers a high level of standards support, security and features.
On Linux, Konqueror is the fastest for starting and viewing basic pages on KDE, but as soon as script or images are involved, or you want to use the back or forward buttons, or if you use Gnome, Opera is a faster choice, even though on KDE it will take a few seconds longer to start. Mozilla and Firefox give an overall good performance, but their script, cache handling and image-based page speed still cannot compare with Opera.
On Mac OS X, Opera and Safari are both very fast, with Safari 2 being faster at starting and rendering CSS, but with Opera still being distinguishably faster for rendering tables, scripting and history (especially compared with the much slower Safari 1.2). Camino is fast to start, but then it joins its sisters Mozilla and Firefox further down the list. Neither Mozilla, Firefox nor IE perform very well on Mac, being generally slower than on other operating systems"
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(On the Windows Platform, in THAT test alone, it took 4 of 7 total categories... nuff said on that account! Considering 90% of the world's computers run Windows based Os' (hopefully Windows NT-based ones by now)? That's saying a HELL of a LOT! And, it rocked on other Os platforms as well!)
&
2.) Opera is definitely the "least attacked/most secure" of the "big 3" browers'-wise (IE, FireFox/Mozilla/Opera) out there...
*
So, unless somebody can show us otherwise here, I will stick by those statements!
(They ARE why I like Opera better than the others in the "big 3" of web-browsers & I am mostly a "Pro-Win32" guy & admit it... though I like & finally respect Linux 2.6x core with KDE on the desktop, & really do respect what MacOS X has become as well!)
APK
Yes, captial punishment is a bit of an overstatement, but it grabs your attention, doesn't it. Remember the old days? You know how when a ship is sinking, it's time to lower the lifeboats, women and children first, then the men, but the captain goes down with the ship? How about compared to the scenario where the captain gets to jump ship first, then the men, and the women and children are left behind to fend for themselves? Isn't that what corporations are like these days, the 2nd scenario? Isn't the CEO like a captain of a ship? If you cannot devote your life proudly to a function, if you do not have something to live for other than yourself, if you lose authenticity in your activities, what kind of life is that?