All major news sites are filled with small technical mistakes and oversights. However, just because a website is called 'Space.com' doesn't mean it is any more accurate.
In the text associated with the image of the launch site they state Also take note of a neighboring and comparable launch pad. I assume they are refering to the large tower in the bottom right.
However, if you look closely, there are no tracks going to the tower (tracks have curves, not 135 degree angles). Instead there are a heap of pipes leading to the launch tower.
This second tower should be the LOX processing and storage plant. I'm not an expert, but it's just a little annoying when a 'space' site goes overboard on the tech pr0n.
How about looking at the ways that we get food from mother earth? I grew up in the country side of New Zealand, working on farms until I went to University.
Then, I managed a trip to Taiwan, and discovered that they have some amazing ways of farming, and is the most productive place I've ever seen. There was a fair amount of smarts that went into all of that, and I'm sure you'd find something similar elsewhere.
> As for your comment on hydroelectric power, I
> disagree. Hydroelectricity can be undoubtedly
> the best source if relief conditions help.
Been to the Three Gorges project in China lately?
Malheureusement, les Français didn't really do much to help with the view of Nuclear power by rampaging through the South Pacific with their nuclear test program. I now am a great proponent of the CANDU reactor etc, but when a big foreign country (from the other side of the planet) is detonating nuclear devices in your 'back yard', it kinda affects your judgement.
And then, when they send a squad of spies to blow up a Greenpeace vessel anchored in your harbor (killing a Portugese photographer), that'll add some international pressure.
Holistic views are unfortunately, a lot to take in, however.
And then, they win the Rugby world cup! Franchement! (Hosté! Tabernacle! Chalice!)
This story has a date March 13, and yet quotes last Wednesday as Dec 15, 1999.
On the Real-Time Linux mailing list, this entire load of piffle was discussed in February, when EETimes ran an article. I'm sure you can find archives somewhere around http://www.rtlinux.org/.
Poor Mr. Wilshire was misquoted in the original article, and if you search for his emails in the archives, you will see the thread. Well, since I can't be bothered finding the URL, I'll post his message to the list verbatim.
I have not asked permission to post this, so I hope that Mr. Wilshire will accept my apologies.
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 11:05:25 -0800 From: Phil Wilshire To: Nicholas Mc Guire , "rtl@rtlinux.cs.nmt.edu" Subject: [rtl] Re: article on the Workshop
Nicholas Mc Guire wrote: > > Hi All ! > >http://www.eetimes.com/story/OEG19991220S0029 > > VIENNA, Austria - Developers of embedded-Linux systems >... > also decided to back Cygnus Solutions' EL/IX as a common applications > programming interface (API) for embedded Linux. > > Nearly 100 developers and programmers attended the grass-roots Real > Time Linux Workshop here last week, and all but one voted to proceed > with the use of EL/IX as their API. > >...the other non-sense sniped... > > I conclude that there where two workshops in vienna > on that peter and me organized and obviously a second one > that we did not know of... > It is simply stupid to belive that puting fals information > out on the net will help push EL/IX as a standard API. > I guess a view people out there did not understand the > ideas of open source and even less the intent and spirit of the > realtime linux workshop in Vienna. > > since the article claims to be based on information from > phil whilshire maby he could comment on it. > > D'ehre > Der Herr Hofrat
Willingly I will comment. There was some consderable misunderstanding in the way this article was presented. I was NOT allowed to see the results of a brief telephone interview and much that was printed was a shock to me. I do think that the statements about adopting EL/IX unchanged were inferred from another source. My statement was that we would work together with CYGNUS to help develop EL/IX into something we all could use.
This is a warning to all of us not to accept telephone interviews and publication without prior approval of the result.
I have been waiting for this backlash in the community and hope that my true motives in all this are clear. If one of us make a mistake we are, in general, merciless.
I want Linux to succeed and I want Real Time Linux to succeed. i have devoted many man hours in my own time to helping the community in many ways. I want the Real Time Community to grow stronger and develop the way forward for this technology rather than leave it in the hands of commercial entities. This includes Cygnus. If they push EL/IX as the "Open Source" API and it bears no relationship at all to what is really needed then we all loose. We need to work together with everyone, Cygnus included, and produce what we need as an API. We also cannot present to the waiting users out there a confusing variety of API's. The Real Time Linux community is a very strong force we have what it takes to make this happen.
I apologise to the community for any misrepresentation . Those that know me will confirm that I am VERY careful in making any such statements. I will continue to be even more careful in the future.
I hope that we can resolve this with a simple public flogging.
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I disagree with the whole concept of anonymity, on the Internet or anywhere. In this day and age of people not taking responsibility for their actions, proclaiming anonymity just makes this worse.
I would prefer to live in a world where all information was free, and that I could speak openly with my name front and foremost associated with my comments. There is so much effort being spent on making things anonymous, but wouldn't that energy be better spent trying to make it less difficult for people to be intimidated when they speak openly.
Or perhaps by increasing the amount of tolerance.
Finding technology that makes people anonymous doesn't fix the underlying problems of irresponsibility and intolerance.
I would like to support Troed's appraisal of history, and add some insight from a Canadian perspective.
After WWII, a large influx of European (mainly British) engineers, scientists and technologists helped build the massive industrial infrastructure that exists in Canada today.
They also worked on the development of the largest aerospace industries in the world. However, after a disastrous (politically) attempt to create a futuristic supersonic interceptor in 1950s, most of the employees went to the states and assumed important roles in the Apollo program.
I'm not about to say these are 'Canadian's' any more than they are Americans, but these are humans devoted to getting mankind into space.
Whichever way you swing it though. All the open-minded engineers in the world can't operate without a budget. The policitians in the states had the money and will. And that is what makes it an American program.
But, anyone involved in the aerospace industry realises that it is something that works best without borders. There is so much international participation, and the largest hinderance is politicians. Which is funny, because the only reason an aerospace "Industry" exists, is because of politics.
I'm really excited and thrilled that China is working so hard to get people into space. I'm sure that the millions of people (engineers, technicians, cooks, administrators) who are involved with the program are enthusiastic about what they are doing. Anyone who works in space technology, especially human flight, realises that they are part of humankinds push into the stars, regardless of what flag is painted on the launch vehicle.
An example of this sentiment is present in the results of the Space Generation Forum, a meeting of 200+ young aerospace professionals from around the world.
The engineers and professionals that built Apollo and all the technology from that era, are now retiring. Combined with the Budget cuts from governments lowering infrastructure commitments, the average age of the Aerospace profession is dropping (now about 30, with many 25-30).
Within this age group, a group that matured with the Internet explosion, international cooperation is a general assumption to the success of humankind. Witness the establishment of the International Space University in the past 10 years.
It is a shame that the media and politicians are emphasizing the conflict between our countries. When you attend a professional conference about advances in Space Technology, the Chinese participation is just as interesting and inspiring as the latest mission from JPL. This work is from the sweat off the back of young professionals, and I'll bet that a fair few of them read slashdot too.
So, please remember that those who build this are the same as us. They have the same dreams of a united humanity pushing the frontiers of space. I'm not going to comment about politicians or media, because I don't understand them.
One final thing... I'm hoping that the Chinese will have enough success with their manned space activity that they will dock with MIR, and claim squatters rights. I mean, if they want to maintain it... why not. It's currently scrap.
This is pretty cool, but a image isn't so great to me. Schematic capture isn't as popular as it once was. How about modeling the brain in something more common in the Electronics Engineering field.
When can I get a VHDL or SPICE model of the brain?
If I can get that, maybe I'll program it into my FPGA? =^)
The point is development time, and the ability to use third party development tools. Linux's loadable kernel module system makes development of low level drivers simple. It is also relatively easy to port applications to linux.
So, as far as performance, perhaps QNX, VxWorks or similar would be better. But they do not have the easiest development system. (note: I only know QNX) Also, if you want to make a powerful one-off or two or three, QNX and VxWorks are very, very expensive. And they don't come with source code (the best place to get example code I find, is the Linux kernel).
I think this is a great concept, it is just a shame that their website doesn't give out more information. I look at the Rotary Rocket Company as an example of a group that is doing something pretty crazy, but with a lot of their progress monitored on the website. It really boosts confidence in their project.
M200: It would be nice to see some of the results of the '150' flights of the M200. Was this with a different engine than the Freedom Rotary? The technical information is really a bit lax.
Horizontal: What about landing horizontally? Surely this would save fuel, and be useful when flying into a normal air strip. If they are conforming to anything near the FARs for helicopters, then the landing gear should be strong enough.
Low Speed: The website doesn't give any decent information about the low speed characteristics (stall anyone?) or transition stability.
But then.. maybe they don't have the budget to put all of this information online.
So, I'm walking to school, in Ottawa, Ontario, and I pass by the tall building with a big sign saying Corel Computer. Hmm...... then I catch a ride on a bus towards the west end, and next to the freeway is a big building, covered in gold tinted glass, with the word.. Corel.
Then, I look up in the sky, and see a couple of balloons rising from Carleton University (located in Ottawa), each with the Corel logo.
Once I get to school, (Engineering at Carleton, Ottawa), I sit down at the Corel Centre for Linux.
In Ottawa.
Strange amount of activity for a company based in Toronto.
Slashdot Mirror
All major news sites are filled with small technical mistakes and oversights. However, just because a website is called 'Space.com' doesn't mean it is any more accurate.
In the text associated with the image of the launch site they state Also take note of a neighboring and comparable launch pad. I assume they are refering to the large tower in the bottom right.
However, if you look closely, there are no tracks going to the tower (tracks have curves, not 135 degree angles). Instead there are a heap of pipes leading to the launch tower.
This second tower should be the LOX processing and storage plant. I'm not an expert, but it's just a little annoying when a 'space' site goes overboard on the tech pr0n.
How about looking at the ways that we get food from mother earth? I grew up in the country side of New Zealand, working on farms until I went to University.
Then, I managed a trip to Taiwan, and discovered that they have some amazing ways of farming, and is the most productive place I've ever seen. There was a fair amount of smarts that went into all of that, and I'm sure you'd find something similar elsewhere.
Joshua
Where did all the hippies go?
Get away from the Northern Hemisphere for new Years.. go to The Gathering.
> As for your comment on hydroelectric power, I > disagree. Hydroelectricity can be undoubtedly > the best source if relief conditions help. Been to the Three Gorges project in China lately?
And then, when they send a squad of spies to blow up a Greenpeace vessel anchored in your harbor (killing a Portugese photographer), that'll add some international pressure.
Holistic views are unfortunately, a lot to take in, however.
And then, they win the Rugby world cup! Franchement! (Hosté! Tabernacle! Chalice!)
Gidday there, we have the HP Jet Direct 300.
It's great, it runs LPD, and you can configure it through a telnet session.
It's cheaper and more reliable than using an old PC as an SMB/LPD server.
The JetDirect is mentioned also in the Printing HOWTO.
RTFM!!!
On the Real-Time Linux mailing list, this entire load of piffle was discussed in February, when EETimes ran an article. I'm sure you can find archives somewhere around http://www.rtlinux.org/.
Poor Mr. Wilshire was misquoted in the original article, and if you search for his emails in the archives, you will see the thread. Well, since I can't be bothered finding the URL, I'll post his message to the list verbatim.
I have not asked permission to post this, so I hope that Mr. Wilshire will accept my apologies.
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 11:05:25 -0800
... ...the other non-sense sniped... . .
From: Phil Wilshire
To: Nicholas Mc Guire , "rtl@rtlinux.cs.nmt.edu"
Subject: [rtl] Re: article on the Workshop
Nicholas Mc Guire wrote:
>
> Hi All !
>
>http://www.eetimes.com/story/OEG19991220S0029
>
> VIENNA, Austria - Developers of embedded-Linux systems
>
> also decided to back Cygnus Solutions' EL/IX as a common applications
> programming interface (API) for embedded Linux.
>
> Nearly 100 developers and programmers attended the grass-roots Real
> Time Linux Workshop here last week, and all but one voted to proceed
> with the use of EL/IX as their API.
>
>
>
> I conclude that there where two workshops in vienna
> on that peter and me organized and obviously a second one
> that we did not know of...
> It is simply stupid to belive that puting fals information
> out on the net will help push EL/IX as a standard API
> I guess a view people out there did not understand the
> ideas of open source and even less the intent and spirit of the
> realtime linux workshop in Vienna.
>
> since the article claims to be based on information from
> phil whilshire maby he could comment on it
>
> D'ehre
> Der Herr Hofrat
Willingly I will comment. There was some consderable misunderstanding in the way this article was presented.
I was NOT allowed to see the results of a brief telephone interview and much that was printed was a shock to me.
I do think that the statements about adopting EL/IX unchanged were inferred from another source.
My statement was that we would work together with CYGNUS to help develop EL/IX into something we all could use.
This is a warning to all of us not to accept telephone interviews and publication without prior approval of the result.
I have been waiting for this backlash in the community and hope that my true motives in all this are clear. If one of us make a mistake we are, in general, merciless.
I want Linux to succeed and I want Real Time Linux to succeed.
i have devoted many man hours in my own time to helping the community in many ways.
I want the Real Time Community to grow stronger and develop the way forward for this technology rather than leave it in the hands of commercial entities.
This includes Cygnus.
If they push EL/IX as the "Open Source" API and it bears no relationship at all to what is really needed then we all loose. We need to work together with everyone, Cygnus included, and produce what we need as an API. We also cannot present to the waiting users out there a confusing variety of API's. The Real Time Linux community is a very strong force we have what it takes to make this happen.
I apologise to the community for any misrepresentation . Those that know me will confirm that I am VERY careful in making any such statements. I will continue to be even more careful in the future.
I hope that we can resolve this with a simple public flogging.
regards
Phil Wilshire
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Gidday there,
I disagree with the whole concept of anonymity, on the Internet or anywhere. In this day and age of people not taking responsibility for their actions, proclaiming anonymity just makes this worse.
I would prefer to live in a world where all information was free, and that I could speak openly with my name front and foremost associated with my comments. There is so much effort being spent on making things anonymous, but wouldn't that energy be better spent trying to make it less difficult for people to be intimidated when they speak openly.
Or perhaps by increasing the amount of tolerance.
Finding technology that makes people anonymous doesn't fix the underlying problems of irresponsibility and intolerance.
Joshua Lamorie
An obligated engineer.
After WWII, a large influx of European (mainly British) engineers, scientists and technologists helped build the massive industrial infrastructure that exists in Canada today.
They also worked on the development of the largest aerospace industries in the world. However, after a disastrous (politically) attempt to create a futuristic supersonic interceptor in 1950s, most of the employees went to the states and assumed important roles in the Apollo program.
I'm not about to say these are 'Canadian's' any more than they are Americans, but these are humans devoted to getting mankind into space.
Whichever way you swing it though. All the open-minded engineers in the world can't operate without a budget. The policitians in the states had the money and will. And that is what makes it an American program.
But, anyone involved in the aerospace industry realises that it is something that works best without borders. There is so much international participation, and the largest hinderance is politicians. Which is funny, because the only reason an aerospace "Industry" exists, is because of politics.
Anyway.....
An example of this sentiment is present in the results of the Space Generation Forum, a meeting of 200+ young aerospace professionals from around the world.
The engineers and professionals that built Apollo and all the technology from that era, are now retiring. Combined with the Budget cuts from governments lowering infrastructure commitments, the average age of the Aerospace profession is dropping (now about 30, with many 25-30).
Within this age group, a group that matured with the Internet explosion, international cooperation is a general assumption to the success of humankind. Witness the establishment of the International Space University in the past 10 years.
It is a shame that the media and politicians are emphasizing the conflict between our countries. When you attend a professional conference about advances in Space Technology, the Chinese participation is just as interesting and inspiring as the latest mission from JPL. This work is from the sweat off the back of young professionals, and I'll bet that a fair few of them read slashdot too.
So, please remember that those who build this are the same as us. They have the same dreams of a united humanity pushing the frontiers of space. I'm not going to comment about politicians or media, because I don't understand them.
One final thing... I'm hoping that the Chinese will have enough success with their manned space activity that they will dock with MIR, and claim squatters rights. I mean, if they want to maintain it ... why not. It's currently scrap.
Oh, and where do I send my resume. :-)
This is pretty cool, but a image isn't so great to me. Schematic capture isn't as popular as it once was. How about modeling the brain in something more common in the Electronics Engineering field.
When can I get a VHDL or SPICE model of the brain?
If I can get that, maybe I'll program it into my FPGA? =^)
The point is development time, and the ability to use third party development tools. Linux's loadable kernel module system makes development of low level drivers simple. It is also relatively easy to port applications to linux.
So, as far as performance, perhaps QNX, VxWorks or similar would be better. But they do not have the easiest development system. (note: I only know QNX) Also, if you want to make a powerful one-off or two or three, QNX and VxWorks are very, very expensive. And they don't come with source code (the best place to get example code I find, is the Linux kernel).
My 2 farthings.
M200:
It would be nice to see some of the results of the '150' flights of the M200. Was this with a different engine than the Freedom Rotary? The technical information is really a bit lax.
Horizontal: What about landing horizontally? Surely this would save fuel, and be useful when flying into a normal air strip. If they are conforming to anything near the FARs for helicopters, then the landing gear should be strong enough.
Low Speed: The website doesn't give any decent information about the low speed characteristics (stall anyone?) or transition stability.
But then.. maybe they don't have the budget to put all of this information online.
Joshua Lamorie
Aerospace Electronics IV
Carleton University
Gidday there,
So, I'm walking to school, in Ottawa, Ontario, and I pass by the tall building with a big sign saying Corel Computer. Hmm...... then I catch a ride on a bus towards the west end, and next to the freeway is a big building, covered in gold tinted glass, with the word.. Corel.
Then, I look up in the sky, and see a couple of balloons rising from Carleton University (located in Ottawa), each with the Corel logo.
Once I get to school, (Engineering at Carleton, Ottawa), I sit down at the Corel Centre for Linux.
In Ottawa.
Strange amount of activity for a company based in Toronto.
Joshua Lamorie