Ha, you all are barking up the wrong tree. The REAL reason that Apple is dropping the self driving car concept is because they've jumped completely over the box-on-wheels concept and are working on...
So walk the software back a couple of versions. DJI even keeps the old version in around in case the upgrade screws up. You can download all sorts of firmware versions on the DJI website. Of course, it's a cat and mouse game to some extent. DJI has recently only allowed you to go back on version instead of to an arbitrary set.
MOST users of the DJI consumer quads have problems following the 4 step directions to update the firmware. Hacking the GPS data stream would be well beyond the vast majority of them and DJI couldn't give a rat's ass about the hundred or so folks so inclined.
And the easy way to get around the problem is the same way the Army could get around the lets-send-everything-China issue. You don't connect the thing to the Internet. Ever.
All my DJI drones are either on the original firmware or one that has been carefully vetted. The iPad they work off of never gets to talk to the rest of the world without adult supervision. It's possible that DJI put a timer in the software but that would be working very differently that they have. Their most recent ploy was to limit the Mavics to something like a 50 meter range until you logged in to DJI-world at least once. They certainly COULD put an honest to goodness timer in the software, but that would be a bigger dick move than usual.
DJI is really in a no win situation (of their own creation). As long as they sell (mostly) to Compleat Idiots they have to try to make their software idiot proof. A fool's errand if there ever was one.
Racing isn't the only use for quads. Unfortunately for the industry DJI IS a couple of years ahead in small, cheap, general purpose quadcopters that have a metric shitton of add on software for them. No, they don't do 10 bit RAW video (but the Inspire x5 RAW does), but most people don't NEED that kind of quality.
The big guys are shooting off $50,000+ rigs, they've left DJI in the dust. But there are what, maybe a couple thousand pro video UAVs in the world. DJI sells that many in a week.
Probably because it's pretty hard. Even with modern day chemistry sets, gene splicing isn't just cut and paste. Then you need to figure out what you just made and purify it. Requires a fairly sophisticated lab, not just a garage.
It's certainly doable. I have no doubt in certain wilder, less civilized parts of the world like Trenton, NJ (or most anyplace in New Jersey for that matter) someone is trying to do this but it's not easy.
And doing this on an industrial scale is even harder. OTOH, grown P. cubensis from spores in the darkroom of the SEM lab as an undergraduate was pretty easy.
... There was a fantastic universal sense that whatever we were doing was right, that we were winning. . . .
And that, I think, was the handle—that sense of inevitable victory over the forces of Old and Evil. Not in any mean or military sense; we didn’t need that. Our energy would simply prevail. There was no point in fighting—on our side or theirs. We had all the momentum; we were riding the crest of a high and beautiful wave. . . .
So now, less than five years later, you can go up on a steep hill in Las Vegas and look West, and with the right kind of eyes you can almost see the high-water mark—that place where the wave finally broke and rolled back.”
Hunter S. Thompson, Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas
The flight logs and video are stored in the app. DJI has a website that, unless you make some effort not to, will download most of that data for the rest of the world to see. For Joe Sixpack, that's great. He can show all of his friends the time he pretended he was a 747 making an instrument landing at the local airport. If you are less publicly inclined it might be an issue but it's very easy to shut down.
And even easier to shut everything down if you don't trust the little green switch on the app - just disconnect the tablet or phone from the network.
But you then have to devote a device to being just for the drone and you have to forego updates. That turns out to be a positive most times since the vast majority of recent DJI updates have been to fool around with it's geofencing system rather than actually improve the drones capabilities. A good firewall on an Android device would also work - you would think the military could at least gin that up.
Ah yes, the 'it's just..... ' argument. If the military wanted to fund it's own collection of motors and sensors, it would have. And it fact, it has on a number of occasions. Obviously, there is a desire to have something that isn't quite as expensive or even as capable and the DJI consumer drones are cheap and impressively flexible. They're also pretty chatty but that is something that hundreds of dumb civilians have figured out how to bypass.
Just rig the controller tablet or phone NOT to hook up to the Internet or the cellular network. No talk, no data.
I do this on a tablet that I use to run my Phantoms. It's locked down from about six months ago. The software stock on the tablet and the drones works fine, the newer software doesn't offer any advantages that are apparent and the software can't phone home to China to tell them about my boring flights in the woods. Certainly the Army could rig up a similar sealed system or is it 'bring your own device' in the military these days?
I notice how global warming alarmist claim that the basis for climate change is very well understood. Then we see new surprises like this that change the equation. All those claims about how good our global warming models are, yet none of them factored in what may be happening right now under those ice sheets. Not to say AGW doesn't exist, but don't be so darn sure you've got it all figured out. Listen to the critics, some of them actually have good points but you'd rather dismiss them all based on those that don't.
The drones can't download anything to anywhere without you actually and in fact connecting the control software (DJI Go) to the Internet. While it likes to do that as a default (as does everything this side of your toaster) it's easy to block. There are a lot of people flying DJI stuff that purposely DON'T allow the software to update in order to keep DJI from screwing things up. They have a very checkered history when it comes to 'updates' (Oops, you crashed).
Just don't understand what the paranoia is. Surely, somebody in the Defense Department's Cyber vetted the software. Yes?
We've fallen behind on consumer electronics but the US makes lots and lots of stuff. Airplanes, rockets, industrial equipment, computer things, non metric shit tons of food. And yes, the rest of the world has figured out how to do much of that as well. Imagine that, we're not such special snowflakes. Humans are clever little critters.
We COULD make nuclear things (we're actually pretty good at military grade reactors) but the invisible hand, the visible backhand of regulation and some weird politics has made nuclear a non viable solution for much of the US.
Because all of the Molten Salt reactors so far have been disappointments. Yes, its a promising technology but,like holographic storage and fusion, it seems to be just around the corner.
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I'd take 'high'.
No no. We got rid of line numbers a long time ago.
Actually, Apple would be better off if the FIXED THE GOD DAMNED AUTO-CORRECT. /hear/here
Geez.
Ha, you all are barking up the wrong tree. The REAL reason that Apple is dropping the self driving car concept is because they've jumped completely over the box-on-wheels concept and are working on ...
A teleporter.
Let Google suck on that one for a while.
You heard it hear first.
I'd rather leave that job to engineers, thankyouverymuch.
Well, we know it has to be an American conspiracy if the geography is so blatantly wrong.
So walk the software back a couple of versions. DJI even keeps the old version in around in case the upgrade screws up. You can download all sorts of firmware versions on the DJI website. Of course, it's a cat and mouse game to some extent. DJI has recently only allowed you to go back on version instead of to an arbitrary set.
Progress?
MOST users of the DJI consumer quads have problems following the 4 step directions to update the firmware. Hacking the GPS data stream would be well beyond the vast majority of them and DJI couldn't give a rat's ass about the hundred or so folks so inclined.
We;re in consumerville here.
It works just fine. That's what most advanced users that are annoyed with DJI do.
Don't talk to momma.
And the easy way to get around the problem is the same way the Army could get around the lets-send-everything-China issue. You don't connect the thing to the Internet. Ever.
All my DJI drones are either on the original firmware or one that has been carefully vetted. The iPad they work off of never gets to talk to the rest of the world without adult supervision. It's possible that DJI put a timer in the software but that would be working very differently that they have. Their most recent ploy was to limit the Mavics to something like a 50 meter range until you logged in to DJI-world at least once. They certainly COULD put an honest to goodness timer in the software, but that would be a bigger dick move than usual.
DJI is really in a no win situation (of their own creation). As long as they sell (mostly) to Compleat Idiots they have to try to make their software idiot proof. A fool's errand if there ever was one.
Racing isn't the only use for quads. Unfortunately for the industry DJI IS a couple of years ahead in small, cheap, general purpose quadcopters that have a metric shitton of add on software for them. No, they don't do 10 bit RAW video (but the Inspire x5 RAW does), but most people don't NEED that kind of quality.
The big guys are shooting off $50,000+ rigs, they've left DJI in the dust. But there are what, maybe a couple thousand pro video UAVs in the world. DJI sells that many in a week.
Horses for courses.
Probably because it's pretty hard. Even with modern day chemistry sets, gene splicing isn't just cut and paste. Then you need to figure out what you just made and purify it. Requires a fairly sophisticated lab, not just a garage.
It's certainly doable. I have no doubt in certain wilder, less civilized parts of the world like Trenton, NJ (or most anyplace in New Jersey for that matter) someone is trying to do this but it's not easy.
And doing this on an industrial scale is even harder. OTOH, grown P. cubensis from spores in the darkroom of the SEM lab as an undergraduate was pretty easy.
I miss the '70's....
... There was a fantastic universal sense that whatever we were doing was right, that we were winning. . . .
And that, I think, was the handle—that sense of inevitable victory over the forces of Old and Evil. Not in any mean or military sense; we didn’t need that. Our energy would simply prevail. There was no point in fighting—on our side or theirs. We had all the momentum; we were riding the crest of a high and beautiful wave. . . .
So now, less than five years later, you can go up on a steep hill in Las Vegas and look West, and with the right kind of eyes you can almost see the high-water mark—that place where the wave finally broke and rolled back.”
Hunter S. Thompson, Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas
The flight logs and video are stored in the app. DJI has a website that, unless you make some effort not to, will download most of that data for the rest of the world to see. For Joe Sixpack, that's great. He can show all of his friends the time he pretended he was a 747 making an instrument landing at the local airport. If you are less publicly inclined it might be an issue but it's very easy to shut down.
And even easier to shut everything down if you don't trust the little green switch on the app - just disconnect the tablet or phone from the network.
But you then have to devote a device to being just for the drone and you have to forego updates. That turns out to be a positive most times since the vast majority of recent DJI updates have been to fool around with it's geofencing system rather than actually improve the drones capabilities. A good firewall on an Android device would also work - you would think the military could at least gin that up.
Nothing to see here, move along.
Ah yes, the 'it's just ..... ' argument. If the military wanted to fund it's own collection of motors and sensors, it would have. And it fact, it has on a number of occasions. Obviously, there is a desire to have something that isn't quite as expensive or even as capable and the DJI consumer drones are cheap and impressively flexible. They're also pretty chatty but that is something that hundreds of dumb civilians have figured out how to bypass.
TURN IT OFF! AYEEEE! TURN IT OFF!
Just rig the controller tablet or phone NOT to hook up to the Internet or the cellular network. No talk, no data.
I do this on a tablet that I use to run my Phantoms. It's locked down from about six months ago. The software stock on the tablet and the drones works fine, the newer software doesn't offer any advantages that are apparent and the software can't phone home to China to tell them about my boring flights in the woods. Certainly the Army could rig up a similar sealed system or is it 'bring your own device' in the military these days?
I notice how global warming alarmist claim that the basis for climate change is very well understood. Then we see new surprises like this that change the equation. All those claims about how good our global warming models are, yet none of them factored in what may be happening right now under those ice sheets. Not to say AGW doesn't exist, but don't be so darn sure you've got it all figured out. Listen to the critics, some of them actually have good points but you'd rather dismiss them all based on those that don't.
Murphy was an optimist.
Bah, all you need is a firmware update and your swarm of buzzing insects-from-hell turn into little plastic bricks.
Yeah, DJI, I'm looking at you....
What are you going to do against a dozen exploding foam gliders?
A cheap flamethrower. A dragon would be better, but the upkeep on them is a bit steep.
Or perhaps just a stiff breeze.
Did you just ask the previous poster to RTFM?
A lot of it is open source software anyway. I think the majority of the Phantom firmware has been hacked and is now on Github.
The drones can't download anything to anywhere without you actually and in fact connecting the control software (DJI Go) to the Internet. While it likes to do that as a default (as does everything this side of your toaster) it's easy to block. There are a lot of people flying DJI stuff that purposely DON'T allow the software to update in order to keep DJI from screwing things up. They have a very checkered history when it comes to 'updates' (Oops, you crashed).
Just don't understand what the paranoia is. Surely, somebody in the Defense Department's Cyber vetted the software. Yes?
We've fallen behind on consumer electronics but the US makes lots and lots of stuff. Airplanes, rockets, industrial equipment, computer things, non metric shit tons of food. And yes, the rest of the world has figured out how to do much of that as well. Imagine that, we're not such special snowflakes. Humans are clever little critters.
We COULD make nuclear things (we're actually pretty good at military grade reactors) but the invisible hand, the visible backhand of regulation and some weird politics has made nuclear a non viable solution for much of the US.
And yet the lights stay on.
Because all of the Molten Salt reactors so far have been disappointments. Yes, its a promising technology but,like holographic storage and fusion, it seems to be just around the corner.
Oh, just like a sysadmin.