I take it back: although set-top guys want to have DSPs that run an OS, and indeed, programming them may be a real bitch, it looks like the phone guys are solving the problem very simply: two cores with a shared memory interface.
This doesn't appear to be rocket science. The engineers in India have likely just combined the two cores with some shared-memory logic, and then done all the testing and sw development to get it up and running.
It looks to me that the real genius is: getting the manufacturing process so that you can do this level of integration and choosing the right set of features to put into the silicon, so that you get a popular chip.
The new thing is to have a single DSP/processor that can run the OS and the signal processing apps. This allows getting rid of one chip, which is what they are so excited about.
If you imagine that you took what was formerly on two chips and just put them on one, it should make sense that this is quite possible.
You see the same thing with the x86/x87 combination in the Pentiums. Or microcontrollers that now have all the crap you need (except for reset circuit and serial drivers) on one chip.
In the case of the DSP, programming it might be tricky, but so what: some geek does it once, and then you run that software on a million items: however painful it is, it gets amortized.
If you are the processor company, you do it for your customers, so that they can get the silicon out there ASAP, and you get back all your NRE.
If you've seen Zulu!, this attack will make a lot of sense.
In the movie Zulu!, the Zulus first attack, from many different sides. Not too heavy, but from all sides.
The British guy's troops repel them, with guns. Quite a few Zulus get shot and killed.
Quite smug, the British commander asks the Boer what he thinks of it all. The Boer explains that that's a Zulu tactic: attack lightly from the various sides to draw the fire. Then the Zulus know where the guns are, where the defenses are hard, where they are soft. The Zulus aren't going anywhere, this is just the beginning. After this, the Brit looks a lot less smug.
No, the stock market exists so that you can buy and sell shares -- sort of like a supermarket. If you are the kind of buy who wants to buy or sell egss, you go to the supermarket. If you want to buy or sell financial instruments, you go the goddamn stockmarket.
People have had markets since the first civilizations. They often "spring" into existence spontaneously, when buyers and sellers start coming together, and then keep on doing it.
The same happens with drugs: buyers and sellers start buying and selling in a park. Then it gets called a drug maket. The thing clearly serves a purpose: if the cops make a bunch of busts, the market moves somewhere else. Same with whores: there is a ho' stroll. If there are busts, the ho's move off to a different street. So do the Johns. That's why, a lot of the time, the cops don't bother to bust the ho' stroll: the market will just move to a worse off spot.
So no, markets don't only serve the needs of society by accident. They serve the needs of people. People desperately need markets. E.g. if Amazon tanked tomorrow, you can bet MSN/Yahoo!/Google would jump to try to set up a used-book market, to fill the shoes of Amazon. And you can bet that bookbuyers would be tearing their hair out if Amazon went away. Same with EBay or Craiglist: those are markets, and they help a lot of people. If they vanish tomorrow, someone will try to take their place, and the buyers/sellers will be happy to have a new market.
I was actually confused for a second. In trademark law, that's pretty serious -- if some schmuck can get it mixed up, that means its time to bring out the lawyers.
"Africans" refers to the continent, and doesn't mean "blacks". E.g. F. W. de Klerk is "African". If he were to immigrate to the USA, he'd be an "African-American".
There are also Arabs, Indians and so on in Africa -- so the term "African" is pretty useless.
I guess "negroes" would be a good term, but I think "blacks" is an equally informative term that gets used more these days.
Well, the fact that he was anti-authoritarian Jew that fit a certain type celebrated by some Jews was germane. The guy even had a pet parrot named after a Yiddish vulgarism, which he carried around the office. So yeah, he was very aware of his ethnicity, and quite in-your-face about it.
The comparison to Woody Allen, who had made fun of obstreperous Jews in the past was meant to evoke the type (Al Goldstein, Abbie Hoffman, Irv Rubin, etc.). When my boss rebelled against the authority figures, it was entirely habitual and natural to him, it would have taken great effort for him to comply entirely with their wishes. I genuinely wish more Americans were like this.
The fact that Rackspace rolled over like this and sent in the disks when the govt. just wnated logs makes me think they could use more backbone, which I why I brought up this guy. He never would have overcomplied like this, unless it was going to cost him big money.
I had a boss who was a Jew with a problem with authority figures -- he couldn't stand to do what the authorities wanted, without opening his mouth or somehow arguing or otherwise resisting. Really "in your face". A bit like the Woody Allen character who shreds his license when the cop asks for his driver's license, simply because the cop is behaving too authoritarian for him. He even tells the cop that he's got a real problem with authorities.
One time the cops wanted some cooperation with him (a former employee was accused of a serious crime), and I was impressed at how little he he did -- just the bare minimum. I suspect part of it was that he didn't want to get sued by the guy they were investigating by cooperating too much. But another part of it was that he wasn't going to bend over for the cops.
In the 90s the American carmakers got out of the low-marign car business, and moved with all their gusto to the high margin trucks and SUVs.
This was a disaster, and only now are the chickens coming home to roost. Already Chrysler is history, and we are all just wondering whether Ford or GM will be next to go. And now the Germans, Japanese and Koreans compete with them in the high end -- there is nowhere else to go. I guess cars like the Maybach are even higher margin, but the Americans can't economically build it (nor something like a Lamborghini).
So Intel better be makign some new, super-breakthrough stuff, that the other guys just don't have at all -- or the current high-margin business will become medium and then low-margin; at which point VIA will eat them alive.
Japanese companies understand that you need to keep on making stuff, even low margin stuff, if only to stop the other folks from entering your citatdel and killing you one day. A bit like Cisco making cheapo stuff (Linksys) to keep the wolves at bay. You've got to get through Linksys before you can attack Cisco.
So what if Koreans (and Chinese) eat dogs. Why is this worth talking about?
We think of them as pets, and others seem them was work-animals or food -- but so what?
There are euros who eat horses. There's others who eat pig (a really nice and smart animal). Chinese eat rats. Blacks in Africa eat insects and other grubs.
My hat's off to the Koreans for the science involved. While you are making dog-jokes, they are achieving great progress in the life sciences.
Does anyone "get" the gist of the complaint? I can't see how a search engine gets busted for piracy. It isn't like the search engine company is providing you copies of movies illegally. Please enlighten me.
Now that I think of it, my modem/firewall generates neglible heat. The damn PC -- way too much.
My goddamn PC is too hot already. When I turn on the other ones in the same room, it gets very warm. So I put one out in the hall if I need it.
That's plain annoying. I'd love to have more hardware, but the heat it generates drives me up the wall. Even in Winter I just don't want so much heat.
If I'm going to have a machine on, I want it doing work that is proportional to the heat it generates. An ARM-based router, even if it costs money, is probably worth it in this regard.
If the porn people moved offshore, they'd avoid all sorts of irritating laws.
The US just changes its enforcement of the record keeping laws (2259 it is called, if I recall correctly). It is a sword of damocles hanging over porn webmasters. See fleshbot.com for more info.
The sooner the online porn stuff just moves offshore (ala the casinos), the better. Then they can tell the Govt. to find a new whipping boy.
With Honda, I think the answer is no. The non-powertrain stuff gets designed here, but not the powertrain. Honda is a small-engine company, not a car company, so it is natural that powertrain stuff stays in Japan.
Their Ridgeline truck got designed in the USA. But it isn't clear what didn't get done here.
With Toyota, it is much less clear. They intend to replace GM's leadership role in the car business. Hence they are actively attempting to move expertise out of Japan more than other companies.
Both Honda and Toyota have had R&D centers in the USA since the 80's. It appears people move back and forth within the company. E.g. the guy who led the development of the Accord's powertrain (done in Japan) was a non-Japanese manager (formerly with Saturn).
Much of the Acura TL was done in the USA, but it isn't clear how much wasn't.
If I was in the car business, I'd be looking to get a job at a Korean company. They seem to have a good future.
You can run a LAN/WAN without using proprietary software (which is what Cisco provides -- as integrated HW/SW systems).
The Chinese already make all the hardware they need -- they could build their own damn firewall with a bunch of MIPS/x86/ARM -- whatever -- and the various modems (fiber/ATM/DSL/wireless). Cisco could go "poof" tomorrow, and the Chinese would build their own repressive firewall out of "stock" components.
There are probable a variety of companies (e.g. Google or Yahoo! or IBM) that build their own networks -- because they can, know better, or just don't want Cisco around. Or universities that are too broke (and too savvy) to buy Cisco crap. I don't think Berkeley bought Cisco for a long time (they probably could not afford it).
When I consider this, it makes me think the Chinese really are to blame.
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Thanks for the analysis. That makes a lot of sense.
This sounds even less like a great innovative leap -- it sounds like the run-of-the-mill innovation you get with more and more integration.
I take it back: although set-top guys want to have DSPs that run an OS, and indeed, programming them may be a real bitch, it looks like the phone guys are solving the problem very simply: two cores with a shared memory interface.
Here's a really easy-to-understand article on what I assume is a similar chip.
This doesn't appear to be rocket science. The engineers in India have likely just combined the two cores with some shared-memory logic, and then done all the testing and sw development to get it up and running.
It looks to me that the real genius is: getting the manufacturing process so that you can do this level of integration and choosing the right set of features to put into the silicon, so that you get a popular chip.
The new thing is to have a single DSP/processor that can run the OS and the signal processing apps. This allows getting rid of one chip, which is what they are so excited about.
If you imagine that you took what was formerly on two chips and just put them on one, it should make sense that this is quite possible.
You see the same thing with the x86/x87 combination in the Pentiums. Or microcontrollers that now have all the crap you need (except for reset circuit and serial drivers) on one chip.
In the case of the DSP, programming it might be tricky, but so what: some geek does it once, and then you run that software on a million items: however painful it is, it gets amortized.
If you are the processor company, you do it for your customers, so that they can get the silicon out there ASAP, and you get back all your NRE.
If you've seen Zulu!, this attack will make a lot of sense.
In the movie Zulu!, the Zulus first attack, from many different sides. Not too heavy, but from all sides.
The British guy's troops repel them, with guns. Quite a few Zulus get shot and killed.
Quite smug, the British commander asks the Boer what he thinks of it all. The Boer explains that that's a Zulu tactic: attack lightly from the various sides to draw the fire. Then the Zulus know where the guns are, where the defenses are hard, where they are soft. The Zulus aren't going anywhere, this is just the beginning. After this, the Brit looks a lot less smug.
Zulu! is a fantastic movie, by the way.
No, the stock market exists so that you can buy and sell shares -- sort of like a supermarket. If you are the kind of buy who wants to buy or sell egss, you go to the supermarket. If you want to buy or sell financial instruments, you go the goddamn stockmarket.
People have had markets since the first civilizations. They often "spring" into existence spontaneously, when buyers and sellers start coming together, and then keep on doing it.
The same happens with drugs: buyers and sellers start buying and selling in a park. Then it gets called a drug maket. The thing clearly serves a purpose: if the cops make a bunch of busts, the market moves somewhere else. Same with whores: there is a ho' stroll. If there are busts, the ho's move off to a different street. So do the Johns. That's why, a lot of the time, the cops don't bother to bust the ho' stroll: the market will just move to a worse off spot.
So no, markets don't only serve the needs of society by accident. They serve the needs of people. People desperately need markets. E.g. if Amazon tanked tomorrow, you can bet MSN/Yahoo!/Google would jump to try to set up a used-book market, to fill the shoes of Amazon. And you can bet that bookbuyers would be tearing their hair out if Amazon went away. Same with EBay or Craiglist: those are markets, and they help a lot of people. If they vanish tomorrow, someone will try to take their place, and the buyers/sellers will be happy to have a new market.
Yes, I thought it was the NetBSD logo.
I was actually confused for a second. In trademark law, that's pretty serious -- if some schmuck can get it mixed up, that means its time to bring out the lawyers.
What do you recommend calling them?
"Africans" refers to the continent, and doesn't mean "blacks". E.g. F. W. de Klerk is "African". If he were to immigrate to the USA, he'd be an "African-American".
There are also Arabs, Indians and so on in Africa -- so the term "African" is pretty useless.
I guess "negroes" would be a good term, but I think "blacks" is an equally informative term that gets used more these days.
Well, the fact that he was anti-authoritarian Jew that fit a certain type celebrated by some Jews was germane. The guy even had a pet parrot named after a Yiddish vulgarism, which he carried around the office. So yeah, he was very aware of his ethnicity, and quite in-your-face about it.
The comparison to Woody Allen, who had made fun of obstreperous Jews in the past was meant to evoke the type (Al Goldstein, Abbie Hoffman, Irv Rubin, etc.). When my boss rebelled against the authority figures, it was entirely habitual and natural to him, it would have taken great effort for him to comply entirely with their wishes. I genuinely wish more Americans were like this.
The fact that Rackspace rolled over like this and sent in the disks when the govt. just wnated logs makes me think they could use more backbone, which I why I brought up this guy. He never would have overcomplied like this, unless it was going to cost him big money.
I had a boss who was a Jew with a problem with authority figures -- he couldn't stand to do what the authorities wanted, without opening his mouth or somehow arguing or otherwise resisting. Really "in your face". A bit like the Woody Allen character who shreds his license when the cop asks for his driver's license, simply because the cop is behaving too authoritarian for him. He even tells the cop that he's got a real problem with authorities.
One time the cops wanted some cooperation with him (a former employee was accused of a serious crime), and I was impressed at how little he he did -- just the bare minimum. I suspect part of it was that he didn't want to get sued by the guy they were investigating by cooperating too much. But another part of it was that he wasn't going to bend over for the cops.
In the 90s the American carmakers got out of the low-marign car business, and moved with all their gusto to the high margin trucks and SUVs.
This was a disaster, and only now are the chickens coming home to roost. Already Chrysler is history, and we are all just wondering whether Ford or GM will be next to go. And now the Germans, Japanese and Koreans compete with them in the high end -- there is nowhere else to go. I guess cars like the Maybach are even higher margin, but the Americans can't economically build it (nor something like a Lamborghini).
So Intel better be makign some new, super-breakthrough stuff, that the other guys just don't have at all -- or the current high-margin business will become medium and then low-margin; at which point VIA will eat them alive.
Japanese companies understand that you need to keep on making stuff, even low margin stuff, if only to stop the other folks from entering your citatdel and killing you one day. A bit like Cisco making cheapo stuff (Linksys) to keep the wolves at bay. You've got to get through Linksys before you can attack Cisco.
So what if Koreans (and Chinese) eat dogs. Why is this worth talking about?
We think of them as pets, and others seem them was work-animals or food -- but so what?
There are euros who eat horses. There's others who eat pig (a really nice and smart animal). Chinese eat rats. Blacks in Africa eat insects and other grubs.
My hat's off to the Koreans for the science involved. While you are making dog-jokes, they are achieving great progress in the life sciences.
Hey -- you are right. Where is it? Is it just sloppy editing, or something more insidious?
Does Slashdot (as a business) have any motive to be pro-Google? Or is it just the editoros/audience who happen to think that way for personal reasons?
Does anyone "get" the gist of the complaint? I can't see how a search engine gets busted for piracy. It isn't like the search engine company is providing you copies of movies illegally. Please enlighten me.
These folks agree with you. That's nice to know.
Is that 12 months probation? E.g. if he screws up, can they throw him in the slammer? That'll teach him!
I can't imagine how he feels; if he screws up again, he's going to get traded aroud on the block for cigarettes. That's just not funny.
OK, but how much is it with an enclosure and powersupply, and whatever other crap you need?
A board, by itself, isn't equivalent to what you get when you buy something at a store.
Now that I think of it, my modem/firewall generates neglible heat. The damn PC -- way too much.
My goddamn PC is too hot already. When I turn on the other ones in the same room, it gets very warm. So I put one out in the hall if I need it.
That's plain annoying. I'd love to have more hardware, but the heat it generates drives me up the wall. Even in Winter I just don't want so much heat.
If I'm going to have a machine on, I want it doing work that is proportional to the heat it generates. An ARM-based router, even if it costs money, is probably worth it in this regard.
Such routers seem to be under $100.
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I don't see how a loud, hot old PC is necessarily better. And if you want an embedded system, those are normally quite pricey.
I'm not convinced that using an old PC is the best way to go here. Hacking a WRT* might seem more reasonable -- but a lot trickier.
I really don't like having lots of big boxes around, humming. But then I don't like games either.
If the porn people moved offshore, they'd avoid all sorts of irritating laws.
The US just changes its enforcement of the record keeping laws (2259 it is called, if I recall correctly). It is a sword of damocles hanging over porn webmasters. See fleshbot.com for more info.
The sooner the online porn stuff just moves offshore (ala the casinos), the better. Then they can tell the Govt. to find a new whipping boy.
A lot of typical catalogs are porn for real perverts . Even diaper ads are porn for pedophiles.
For trisexuals, a car ad would be the ticket.
There's going to be a lot of tax revenue if this guy gets what he wants.
It is very hard to find out.
With Honda, I think the answer is no. The non-powertrain stuff gets designed here, but not the powertrain. Honda is a small-engine company, not a car company, so it is natural that powertrain stuff stays in Japan.
Their Ridgeline truck got designed in the USA. But it isn't clear what didn't get done here.
With Toyota, it is much less clear. They intend to replace GM's leadership role in the car business. Hence they are actively attempting to move expertise out of Japan more than other companies.
Both Honda and Toyota have had R&D centers in the USA since the 80's. It appears people move back and forth within the company. E.g. the guy who led the development of the Accord's powertrain (done in Japan) was a non-Japanese manager (formerly with Saturn).
Much of the Acura TL was done in the USA, but it isn't clear how much wasn't.
If I was in the car business, I'd be looking to get a job at a Korean company. They seem to have a good future.
Odd that you god modded "Troll" for what is such a funny post.
I just throw it in a lake of acid, and leave it at that. I can't figure out why more people don't just do this.
That happened at UCB? That's terrible news. It wasn't always so, of course.
Check out that first comment: 16 of the 23 patterns are so simple as to be invisible when you use the right tools.
As mentioned by Paul Graham, in his essay "Revenge of the Nerds", Peter Norvig found that 16 of the 23 patterns in Design Patterns were "invisible or simpler" in Lisp.
You can run a LAN/WAN without using proprietary software (which is what Cisco provides -- as integrated HW/SW systems).
The Chinese already make all the hardware they need -- they could build their own damn firewall with a bunch of MIPS/x86/ARM -- whatever -- and the various modems (fiber/ATM/DSL/wireless). Cisco could go "poof" tomorrow, and the Chinese would build their own repressive firewall out of "stock" components.
There are probable a variety of companies (e.g. Google or Yahoo! or IBM) that build their own networks -- because they can, know better, or just don't want Cisco around. Or universities that are too broke (and too savvy) to buy Cisco crap. I don't think Berkeley bought Cisco for a long time (they probably could not afford it).
When I consider this, it makes me think the Chinese really are to blame.