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South Korean Scientists Clone Dog

Ebon Praetor writes "According to the BBC and Reuters, South Korean scientists have created the world's first cloned dog, an Afghan hound. The research purpose of the research is ostensibly to produce research animals and not for commercial purposes. Dogs are especially difficult to clone, but the scientists were able to extract DNA from a skin cell, inject it into an egg, and implant the egg into a surrogate mother."

404 comments

  1. Boring... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Dammit where is the half dog half alligator? This whole cloning regular animals thing is getting boring.

    1. Re:Boring... by crownrai · · Score: 2, Funny

      Question is would you really want that animal to come when you call it?

    2. Re:Boring... by lucabrasi999 · · Score: 4, Funny
      where is the half dog half alligator?

      More importantly, where is the "Mog"? A mog is his own best friend.

    3. Re:Boring... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, probably not, but you could put a steak in the president's pants. That'd be good for a laugh or two... Muhahhahaha! Okay, that's more than two, but you get the point.

      Aligator.. Point.. Teeth! I make funny.

    4. Re:Boring... by sdsichero · · Score: 1

      As a Mac user, I anxiously await dogcow... moof!

    5. Re:Boring... by bbeebe · · Score: 1
    6. Re:Boring... by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      I wonder if the FBI is interested in scientifically impractical threats to the President on the Internet.

      If not, do they have some Dr Strangelove character who decides -

      GMan: Umm, and we have a threat to kill the POTUS using a half dog, half aligator hybrid and some beef. Should we subpoena the AC's IP address and make a visit.
      Mad Scientist: Beef can be produced simply by SLAUGHTERING lifestock, but the General Secretary^WPresident's life is safe. All my reptile/mammal chimerae died in the first trimester.

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    7. Re:Boring... by rapidweather · · Score: 1

      Alligator is spelled "Alligator" not "Aligator".
      Bored? Here's an Alligator website to look at!

    8. Re:Boring... by cioxx · · Score: 1

       
      Dammit where is the half dog half alligator? This whole cloning regular animals thing is getting boring.

      Any biology student will tell you that dogs and alligators cannot be combined through cloning, even if we had the technological means to interbreed between like species. For starters, alligators are reptiles, and according to the evolutionary chart of animals they are a step below mammals with respect to their internal circulatory and respiratory systems. Reptiles have 3 1/2 chambered hearts, where the ventricle is not fully developed. Dogs, on the other hand, have 4-chambered hearts and a respiratory system much like those of humans, horses, lions and cats.

      In sum, if it were possible, you'd more likely see a human-dog/horse-dog/dog-goat chimera than a cross between an alligator and a dog. The former's internal systems are on different evolutionary steps.
    9. Re:Boring... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh yeah, and where is my Hog? (Hot chick with dog brain) Wouldn't it be great to have such a loyal women who is hot?

    10. Re:Boring... by EZLeeAmused · · Score: 1

      Dog and alligator? Ridiculous! That is as impossible as mixing, say, rabbit and jellyfish DNA. Oh, wait, that did happen. Google GFP Bunny.

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    11. Re:Boring... by badmammajamma · · Score: 2, Funny

      What about frogs and alligators? A Frolligator! Imagine this giant fucking frog with huge teeth leaping 20ft in the air at it's victims!

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    12. Re:Boring... by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1

      someone speaking of human/dog-goat(se)...?

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    13. Re:Boring... by 0111+1110 · · Score: 1

      And who jumped all over you every time you arrived home. Every time as if it were the first without losing any enthusiasm. And need I even mention humping your leg (do female dogs do that too)? Not sure about tail chasing though. I can't quite picture that. In any case, you are right. It would truly be great. As far as cat-women, that is a bit more questionable. Especially if she had a long furry tail. Although Nastassia Kinski was pretty hot in that movie. And so was Annah (though Fall-From-Grace had a higher charisma).

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    14. Re:Boring... by bubkus_jones · · Score: 1

      Yes, female dogs hump legs (or anything else they can, when it's that time).

      Either that, or every dog I've had (which, oddly enough have only been female), were gay.

    15. Re:Boring... by swaic · · Score: 1

      How can this man get away with threatening the World President. Because after all, there is only one president in the world.

    16. Re:Boring... by bgarcia · · Score: 1
      More importantly, where is the "Mog"? A mog is his own best friend.
      If you could easily lick yourself, you'd be your own best friend too.
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    17. Re:Boring... by schon · · Score: 1

      Considering there are 5 replies to your post, and nobody *once* mentioned the source of that...

      It's amazing - people here can remember the combination to President Skroob's luggage, but can't remember Barfolomew's species!

    18. Re:Boring... by digitalgroove · · Score: 1

      I would personally in favor of half turkey half hippo combination, imagine the drumsticks? But seriously, if they are clone things, let's export dna from Marilyn Monroe and Selena to the South Koreans, who's with me?

    19. Re:Boring... by orasio · · Score: 1

      Jennifer Aniston + Angelina Jolie.
      I believe a guy shouldn't be forced to choose.

  2. In korea by mingot · · Score: 1, Funny

    In Korea only old people clone dogs.

    It's karma burn wednesdaty!

    1. Re:In korea by fbjon · · Score: 1

      Maybe they're planning on preparing them for boshintang.

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    2. Re:In korea by rubycodez · · Score: 2, Funny

      yeah, my korean wife thought I said to wok the dog

    3. Re:In korea by korea · · Score: 0, Troll

      everquest wives don't count.

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    4. Re:In korea by Trillan · · Score: 1

      Aw, you flubbed it. It should have been "In Korea only old people let their dogs have sex."

    5. Re:In korea by ChairmanMeow · · Score: 1

      In Soviet Korea, only dogs clone old people?

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  3. Motivation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And, as a result, the Korean food supply becomes more plentiful!

  4. Off-color joke: by BigZaphod · · Score: 3, Funny

    What, are they running out of their favorite food over there? *ba-dum-bump*

    1. Re:Off-color joke: by CodeArtisan · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Hang on a minute - I posted this joke first and was modded down as a Troll. Bloody PETA moderators.

    2. Re:Off-color joke: by BigZaphod · · Score: 1

      The world of comedy is all about presentation and timing...

      Actually, I have no idea what I'm talking about, I guess I just got lucky with the mods. :-)

    3. Re:Off-color joke: by korea · · Score: 1

      No, Korea is chock full of kim chi.

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    4. Re:Off-color joke: by korea · · Score: 1

      Maybe the meta moderators that attended junior college were more attracted to Zaphod's joke than yours. You must've gotten the moderators that you serve at McDonalds.

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    5. Re:Off-color joke: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I'll be modded down, but this has to be said. I don't care if you are joking, but people like you unnecessarily perpetuate negative stereotypes about Asian cultures. Westerners act like they are high and mighty, and that the exotic food other cultures eat are signs of primitive, uncivilized cultures. But you should take a second, and realize that America's Texans eat the heads, intestines, and feet of hogs and cows. Please don't make out like other cultures' choice of cuisines are inferior to yours. If anything, the Western (specifically American) food lifestyle is the most dispicable in the world. Obesity has run rampant and an excess amount of food is wasted every day. Tsk tsk tsk.

    6. Re:Off-color joke: by Tx · · Score: 1

      Lighten up dude. Making fun of other cultures cuisine is a traditional lighthearted passtime. For example we Brits call the French Frogs, they call us "Rosbif". Scots get the piss taken about haggis all the time. It's only a problem if people decide to take it the wrong way.

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    7. Re:Off-color joke: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, is it a stereotype if it's still true? I went to a Korean restaurant while I was in China, and they had dog on the menu. I had some too just to say I did. It was actually pretty good.

      I make fun of the french for eating horse all the time too.

    8. Re:Off-color joke: by FreshFunk510 · · Score: 1

      Westerners do eat some nasty shit. Have you ever had "food" in Britain?? blech!

      And I won't even get into the rest of Europe...

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    9. Re:Off-color joke: by BigZaphod · · Score: 1

      My guess is you aren't from Korea. I could be wrong, though...

    10. Re:Off-color joke: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Started like, a thousand years, in the Ding-dong Dynasty

    11. Re:Off-color joke: by ozmanjusri · · Score: 1

      I had some too just to say I did. It was actually pretty good.

      I tried some as well. It was OK - better than koala bear, but dolphin is definitely nicer.

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    12. Re:Off-color joke: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I tried some as well. It was OK - better than koala bear, but dolphin is definitely nicer.
      I concure
      Thickly sliced dolphin deep fried in a thin batter using energy from CO2 belching power stations.
      yea that it!

  5. Dog days of summer by TrippTDF · · Score: 1, Funny

    ...at least they picked the appropriate month to release this...

  6. OMG by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's as bad as Scottish scientists cloning sheep. Leave the animals alone people.

    1. Re:OMG by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not quite.
      The scottish did it for sex. The Koreans are doing it for food.

    2. Re:OMG by korea · · Score: 1

      Henny Youngman, ladies and gentlemen. He'll be here all week... mopping.

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    3. Re:OMG by Gyga · · Score: 0

      Exactly ending world hunger.
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  7. And, in sports news, by conJunk · · Score: 4, Funny

    The organizers of the Iditerod prepare for scandal worse than major league baseball and and olympic running, combined!

    1. Re:And, in sports news, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But the important question, to Koreans at least:

      What does it taste like?

      (Some will of course assume this is simple racism. But unless you've been to Seoul or some other S.K. city and actually eaten dog in a restauraunt, you're just ignorant of the whole question, so don't bother posting.)

  8. er by AnonymousNinja · · Score: 3, Funny

    He can be his own best friend

  9. What did they call it? by daniil · · Score: 1

    A Baskerville?

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    1. Re:What did they call it? by frisket · · Score: 1
      A Baskerville?

      Cloning a font?

    2. Re:What did they call it? by billybob2001 · · Score: 1
      From TFA, they called it "Snuppy".

      Part snack, part puppy maybe ???

    3. Re:What did they call it? by paanta · · Score: 3, Informative

      Seoul National University puppy = Snuppy.

    4. Re:What did they call it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And cloning insures consistent taste, texture and appearance of the food product! So, no different than most cattle ranches here in the USA.

  10. In Communist North Korea, by chrisfez · · Score: 2, Funny

    dogs clone you!

    1. Re:In Communist North Korea, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shouldn't that be: "In Communist North Korea clones dog you" ?

    2. Re:In Communist North Korea, by kin_korn_karn · · Score: 1

      In Korea, only old people have non-clone dogs!

    3. Re:In Communist North Korea, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bravo!

  11. Sounds like humans the next step... by gg3po · · Score: 1

    ...according to the article:

    we'll learn about whether it is effective in our pets and we'll also learn whether it's safe and effective for our loved ones.

    If I'm understanding TFA, breaking this "dog" barrier is an important step down the road to cloning you and I. Things keep getting more interesting.

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    1. Re:Sounds like humans the next step... by alvinrod · · Score: 4, Interesting
      I honestly doubt it will be tried for a long while. First of all there are a lot of moral and religious objections to cloning a human. Second of all, cloning is still a fairly clumsy science. If you read in the article it says that they had 1000 embryos to start with. Of those 1000 implanted, 3 turned into pregnancies. Of those 3 pregnancies, 2 births occured (1 miscarried). Of those 2 births, 1 died less than a month after birth. Success rate, 1 in 1000.

      Whether or not people have objections about cloning based on moral or religious reasons, I doubt that anyone would be willing to accept a 1 in 1000 success rate for attempting to clone a person. Whether or not the clones have souls, are real people, or any of the other arguments that apply, I don't think people would want 999 failures out of 1000 tries.

      So until people become more accepting of cloning and the science is able to produce reliable results, I don't think we'll see it done with humans anytime soon.

    2. Re:Sounds like humans the next step... by Hope+Thelps · · Score: 1

      First of all there are a lot of moral and religious objections to cloning a human.

      There are a lot of moral and religious objections to plenty of things that happen every day.

      Whether or not people have objections about cloning based on moral or religious reasons, I doubt that anyone would be willing to accept a 1 in 1000 success rate for attempting to clone a person.

      Do you think you could find *anyone* who would be willing to experiment on captive humans? If yes then why do you think clones are over the line? If not then... well, go read a history book. Or the newspapers, it'll happen again.

      Whether or not the clones have souls

      Have whats?

      are real people

      In what sense might they be less "real" than other people? They might have a different legal status I guess but that's not a limitation on their reality.

      I don't think people would want 999 failures out of 1000 tries.

      Doesn't seem to be putting the lotteries out of business. I think your problem here is in believing that if something is outlawed in major western countries then it just can't happen. I think reality will prove you wrong.

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    3. Re:Sounds like humans the next step... by Rude+Turnip · · Score: 1

      "First of all there are a lot of moral and religious objections to cloning a human."

      Wow, they had issues with cloning back when all the major relgions were getting started thousands of years ago?

    4. Re:Sounds like humans the next step... by Hope+Thelps · · Score: 1

      Wow, they had issues with cloning back when all the major relgions were getting started thousands of years ago?

      No, but they have to move with the times just like any other business. If you have two preachers, one is saying that it's wrong to clone humans and the other is saying that it's wrong to wear clothes made of two different fabrics, which one do you think is going to get more sales in today's society?

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    5. Re:Sounds like humans the next step... by KenBot_314 · · Score: 1

      Yet, in vitro fertilization is ok? They attempt to fertilize many eggs in the hopes of getting a positive hit... same difference.

    6. Re:Sounds like humans the next step... by rjelks · · Score: 1

      In Vitro fertilization had success rates of around 10-15% when the US began using the technique. Assuming the 1% rate for cloning is correct, what is the difference? I think most of the moral objections stem from not understanding the process.

    7. Re:Sounds like humans the next step... by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1

      Please don't take this as an insult because it is not.

      You sound really naive bout what people will do to live, to be able to walk again, to be able to see again, even just for fun.

      Someone wants to be the first- so they will push to do it. Some rich person who is now 40, can pay to have cells frozen and set aside. Then when they are 60, they can get 40 year old clone parts.

      That's the current downside- if you clone a 60 year old you get 60 year old parts as far as the telemerese (sp) tags go. Sure they look young but they die fast. But set aside younger cells and you don't have that issue.

      Humans are capable of anything you can imagine and a lot of things you can't imagine.

      But addressing your basic argument. Imagine you are Bill Gates. You have an accident and you are told that your liver is damaged and there are few good donors. Your health is severely impaired and you'll probably die within the decade.

      All you have to do is burn a billion dollars and a 1,000 failed attempts and you will be back in perfect health since donating to yourself won't require anti-transplant drugs, etc.

      Do you think you would pass because the odds were low or you might spend some money?

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    8. Re:Sounds like humans the next step... by demachina · · Score: 1

      The thing I love about cloning and will find most amusing when a human is successfully cloned is that it plays HAVOC with the religious fanatics who insist life begins at "conception" and that a man and a women are required to create life, preferably as part of a monogamous marriage.

      When does life begin if a happy normal and maybe even religious person begins life from DNA out of a skin cell.

      It tends to show that life is just an amazing almost accidental byproduct of the chemistry of amino acids, plus billions of years of trial and error, a process we refer to these days as evolution. Life isn't really so special and sacred no matter how much the religious types try to insist it is.

      As an aside, I've always wondered how religious fanatics can obsess over abortion, or pulling the feeding tube from Terry Schiavo, but seem to be totally OK with sending people to kill and be killed in optional wars in places like Iraq. Weren't the lives of the Marines killed today just as sacred as that of a fetus aborted today, or maybe they were just a tad more sacred because they had families who depended on them, and family and friends who knew and loved them. So why is it OK to send them to die, while we obsess over abortions and euthanasia of someone whose brain is gone.

      Values of the religious are just totally whacky, I'll never figure them out.

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    9. Re:Sounds like humans the next step... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Umm until we figure out how to transfer memory methinks that won't work out so well.

    10. Re:Sounds like humans the next step... by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1

      Well if my liver, heart, kidney, leg, eye or several other body parts are bad, I don't see how brain transplants enter into it. --- And it is pretty horrific, you are talking about growing a human body and killing it and only keeping the body part you need (or worse- keeping the body alive and harvesting off of it as you need parts). --- But it seems a lot less horrific if you had some way to only grow the arm and no other part of the body.

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    11. Re:Sounds like humans the next step... by kurzweilfreak · · Score: 1

      First of all, why would you compare two preachers that are talking about two totally different, completely unrelated things? And second of all, if they were really getting with the times, why are they still around at all? It's a sad testiment to the human race that we still need religion around to tell us how we should behave.

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    12. Re:Sounds like humans the next step... by deaddrunk · · Score: 1

      Religions move with the times? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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    13. Re:Sounds like humans the next step... by Hope+Thelps · · Score: 2, Interesting

      First of all, why would you compare two preachers that are talking about two totally different, completely unrelated things?

      I'm not sure what you mean. In my example, their products are different but not dissimilar. There's no reason you can't compare a religious conviction that prevents you wearing clothes made of different fabrics (inconvenient) with one that prevents you cloning people (no problem - I wasn't going to anyway).

      And second of all, if they were really getting with the times, why are they still around at all?

      Because there's still a vast pool of customers for their services. They need to move with the times to provide the sort of religion that today's customers are looking for. If they don't do that then they really will go out of business but right now they're doing okay.

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    14. Re:Sounds like humans the next step... by Destoo · · Score: 1

      Yes. They're called Cults now.

      Rael was moving pretty fast on the cloning bandwagon and I think he had something to offer this or next year.

      I wouldn't be surprised to see them or another cult show up with the first human clone.

      (can they make a clone absolutely free of Body Thetans? That might piss some people off and cut their revenue stream!)

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  12. Re:Mmmmm.... by coflow · · Score: 1

    Very original

  13. Difficult to clone by truckaxle · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Why are cloning dogs "notoriously difficult"? Is it because of the wide range of variability within the species?

    1. Re:Difficult to clone by lupinstel · · Score: 0

      It is hard to perfect the taste.

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    2. Re:Difficult to clone by papa248 · · Score: 1

      From TFA - "It has taken scientists longer to clone a dog than other animals because of the difficulty in producing mature, unfertilized canine eggs in the laboratory."

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    3. Re:Difficult to clone by dr_dank · · Score: 5, Funny

      Why are cloning dogs "notoriously difficult"?

      Ever try to get a poodle to stand still on a Xerox machine?

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    4. Re:Difficult to clone by no_pets · · Score: 0

      Even worse a terrier.

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    5. Re:Difficult to clone by sharkey · · Score: 2, Funny

      That's not as hard as cleaning out the rollers in the document feeder afterwards.

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    6. Re:Difficult to clone by Cornflake917 · · Score: 1

      Ever try to get a poodle to stand still on a Xerox machine?

      Yes, actually I have. College was fun.

    7. Re:Difficult to clone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Yep - but not long enough to notice that the previous user had left the copies on 999.


      Now I have oodles of poodles.


      Maybe I could sell them - with noodles.

    8. Re:Difficult to clone by scottv67 · · Score: 1

      You think that's bad? I had a similar accident - but with Tribbles. Now the damn things are everywhere.

      But that's The Trouble With Tribbles. :^)

  14. Concerned by Shadow+Wrought · · Score: 1

    I wasn't worried until I saw that the press release was put out by the Umbrella Corporation from someplace called Raccoon City.

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  15. Slight differences in the copy by StefanJ · · Score: 5, Funny

    "a frisky, healthy, normal, rambunctious puppy."

    If you ignore the glowing red eyes, caustic drool, and an unearthly howl that makes babies cry and causes normal dogs who hear it to lose bowel control, chew through their leads, and leap in front of FedEx trucks.

    1. Re:Slight differences in the copy by kfg · · Score: 1

      . . .and leap in front of FedEx trucks. . .

      on their way to Baskerville Hall.

      KFG

    2. Re:Slight differences in the copy by syousef · · Score: 1

      "a frisky, healthy, normal, rambunctious puppy."

      When asked what he thought of the Katie Homes clone, Tom Cruise ran around the Oprah Winfrey stage, pounded the floor and screamed "I'm in love".

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  16. Wulf by HermanAB · · Score: 0

    I'd rather clone a beowulf cluster...

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    1. Re:Wulf by Cornflake917 · · Score: 1

      I, for one, welcome our new dog-clone overlords!

  17. With my lysdexia... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I thought they said that Koreans had cloned God.

    1. Re:With my lysdexia... by HermanAB · · Score: 1

      God was independently invented by many cultures around the Mediteranean sea. Unfortunately business method patents were not allowed yet, so whoever thought of it first, quickly lost his monopoly on religion...

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  18. In Korea by Phidoux · · Score: 0, Redundant

    It's now possible to clone your own food.

  19. Master Plan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Korea plans to produce radioactive cloned dogs of war! We're doomed!

  20. Dinnertime! by old_skul · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Suuuuure it's for research.

  21. Soylent Green is DOGGGGGGGGGG by MajorDick · · Score: 0, Troll

    I , being a Dick, have to say this , South Korea clonign dogs is like the US cloning chickens.

    Lets be frank they eat Dogs there, and they LIKE them, we have a fellow here where I work that says the White or lighter ones tasted better than Darker ones, black being the least tasty, and you have to kill them right (cats also) otherwise the blood taints the meat.

    I will have to forward this to him, anyone that can carry on an honest and frank discussion in the US about eating Dog deverves my respect.

    1. Re:Soylent Green is DOGGGGGGGGGG by Rude+Turnip · · Score: 1

      "Lets be frank they eat Dogs there, and they LIKE them, we have a fellow here where I work that says the White or lighter ones tasted better than Darker ones, black being the least tasty, and you have to kill them right (cats also) otherwise the blood taints the meat."

      From what I've read on the parallel thread on Fark, the eating of dogs is a dying tradition that young people are avoiding. /notice how I cleverly worded my post to avoid saying "In South Korea, only old people..." :)

    2. Re:Soylent Green is DOGGGGGGGGGG by alvinrod · · Score: 4, Interesting
      I think most of the objection that comes from our culture about anyone eating dogs is because we keep them as pets here. It's a little bit harder to eat something commonly regarded as "man's best friend" here.

      Read Charlotte's Web, watch Babe, and keep a pig as a pet for a while. See if you don't feel like eating pork any more. I'd bet you would feel a slight bit edgy, but that's only because our culture doesn't make eating pork shameful or socially discourage the practice. If we had the same snide jokes about people eating pigs as we did about people eating dogs, you'd certainly find less people having bacon with their eggs.

      If you're not squimish about eating beef, pork, chicken, or any other kind of meat, dog really shouldn't bother you. Yet because our culture identifies dogs and cats as pets and friendly, domesticated creatures we're prone to frown on eating them. To me, it seems as though it's almost viewed in the same light as canabalism.

      To be blatantly honest, we Westerns are the ones being hypocritical and irrational for the most part. I don't know whether or not dog tastes good, and I might be willing to try it just for the sake of trying it, but I've been culturally conditioned to not want to eat dog.

    3. Re:Soylent Green is DOGGGGGGGGGG by MajorDick · · Score: 1, Troll

      Like Horse meat for me, I dont mind it at all and kinda like it from time to time, I cant get my kids to eat it at all, deer, squirrel or rabbit neither. Oh well.....at least the Frogs still eat Horses, Dont they ?

    4. Re:Soylent Green is DOGGGGGGGGGG by shawn(at)fsu · · Score: 0

      You cant honestly think this will be used so create a larger food supply can you, at least not in the short term. It's loads easier to just let dogs reproduce on their own. It's also incredible cheap and incredibly effective. So someone brings up a story about cloning dogs and in the submission they put the word ostensibly and people jump up to say that they are actually doing to make more food.

      What a load of crap. /. where we love sterotypes

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    5. Re:Soylent Green is DOGGGGGGGGGG by Tallon29 · · Score: 1

      Wish I had mod points right now. Great post.

    6. Re:Soylent Green is DOGGGGGGGGGG by stlhawkeye · · Score: 1
      Lets be frank they eat Dogs there, and they LIKE them, we have a fellow here where I work that says the White or lighter ones tasted better than Darker ones, black being the least tasty, and you have to kill them right (cats also) otherwise the blood taints the meat.

      Right, well, I live with a family of Koreans and they say that the practice of eating dogs is all but gone in most of Korea, except for the most remote and rural areas. They lament this, as well, as they view it as a form of cultural homogenization with the West as Koreans adopt European and American taboos. And yes, they've been there recently, have family there that they keep in touch with.

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    7. Re:Soylent Green is DOGGGGGGGGGG by Rude+Turnip · · Score: 1

      "I cant get my kids to eat it at all, deer, squirrel or rabbit neither."

      Mmmmm...venison (deer meat) is freaking delicious no matter how it's prepared! I get a little queezy about rodents, though.

    8. Re:Soylent Green is DOGGGGGGGGGG by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      South Korea clonign dogs is like the US cloning chickens.

      Not exactly true, though the intent is understood.

      Dogs (and cats) that have been vaccinated cannot be eaten. Chickens, on the other hand, can.

      I don't know how putting them down affects the taste, but I do know they are really, really tasty, and have certain medicinal benefits, though whether that's a myth or not probably hasn't been investigated.

    9. Re:Soylent Green is DOGGGGGGGGGG by TekGoNos · · Score: 1
      To be blatantly honest, we Westerns are the ones being hypocritical and irrational for the most part.
      Actually, no society eats everything eatable.

      In most of south-eastern Asia, milk and milk products are considered disgusting. Then, there are "holy" (cow in india) or "dirty" (pig for muslims/jews) animals, who aren't considered as food.

      And while anthropologists don't know the reason for this, it is an universal reality. Only what foods are rejected vary (and vary largely) between different cultures.
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    10. Re:Soylent Green is DOGGGGGGGGGG by Digital+Vomit · · Score: 1
      at least the Frogs still eat Horses, Dont they ?

      How the hell can a frog eat a hor-- oooooh....

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    11. Re:Soylent Green is DOGGGGGGGGGG by slappyjack · · Score: 2, Funny

      This reminds me of a weekend trip I took with the cub scouts a while back...

      I mean, they were all cute little kids and they loved hiking and they'd get firewood all night long if you asked them to, it was just like having a team of little puppies with you that could actually DO things.

      When that blizzard hit, though, we didn't have any problem at all with eating Fatty Joe. As a bonus, with his "diet" of non-stop candy bars and high blood sugar, the kid self-caramelized on the fire, and nobody really liked him anyway.

      [ I mean, he was probably going to electrocute himself or get hit by lightening at the next jamboree, because God is pissed at the Scouts for kicking out the gays. ]

      who needs to stay ontopic, really, when there's an awful joke to be made?

    12. Re:Soylent Green is DOGGGGGGGGGG by Q2Serpent · · Score: 0

      Except dogs are more like humans than other animals like chickens. In my mind, eating a chicken is better because it is further from cannibalism. I wouldn't eat any apes or gorillas either.

      http://www.genomenewsnetwork.org/articles/11_01/Do g_feature1.shtml

    13. Re:Soylent Green is DOGGGGGGGGGG by Tsiangkun · · Score: 1

      Interesting, I thought the black ones were the best dogs. Lets be frank, when I head into the restaurant and walk out a huge pile of marinated "chicken" for about $0.30/lb, I understand it's almost certainly not chicken. It's the alley catch of the day, rats,cats,maybe dog. I don't care, it tastes fine.

    14. Re:Soylent Green is DOGGGGGGGGGG by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You debased Weterners eat pork and shellfish because you don't care that it's unclean.

    15. Re:Soylent Green is DOGGGGGGGGGG by FiReaNGeL · · Score: 1

      There's a reason why most Asians don't like milk (and derived products). They don't have the enzyme to digest it, and it gives them horrible cramps.

    16. Re:Soylent Green is DOGGGGGGGGGG by Moses_Gunn · · Score: 1

      Man, I wish I had modpoints. This is the funniest thing I've read on Slashdot in ages.

    17. Re:Soylent Green is DOGGGGGGGGGG by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Meh, where I live, we eat horses, something that is alos frowned on in many countries, such as Britain.. Tastes good, bit dryish perhaps.

    18. Re:Soylent Green is DOGGGGGGGGGG by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let's be Frank. Frank eats big dogs. Eat a big dog.

    19. Re:Soylent Green is DOGGGGGGGGGG by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      We generally don't eat predators of any kind. They're generally just not very tasty, whether, cat, dog, ferret, cassowary or whatever.

      The only predators we eat on a regular basis are fish.

      It's not a cultural issue so much as it is that most predatory species have too little marbling and too much stringy muscle.

      Dogs, snakes, and other predators are eaten in the Far East more for the association of the animals' living characteristics than for their flavor.

    20. Re:Soylent Green is DOGGGGGGGGGG by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, I've kept fish as pets and so do a lot of other people. It didn't keep me from eating any ocean or fresh water inhabitants. I haven't heard that it affected others either. In fact it never even occurred to me as a problem.

      One of the big things for 4H members is raising an animal for competition. After winning the competition, the animal is promptly led off and butchered. While 4H kids have shed some tears over "Bessie" and they are certainly are pets, it doesn't seem to have kept them from eating beef or pork for dinner.

      Here's where you refine pet as only the soft, cuddly pets. Kind of like PETA thinks that only the cute animals need to be treated ethically.

    21. Re:Soylent Green is DOGGGGGGGGGG by falzer · · Score: 1

      I took care of a pet pig for awhile. I even fed him bacon, which he eagerly gobbled up.

    22. Re:Soylent Green is DOGGGGGGGGGG by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How is a dog different than any other animal? They are not. To me, that does not justify eating a dog, though. Instead, it tells me I should stop eating any animal.

    23. Re:Soylent Green is DOGGGGGGGGGG by TD-2779 · · Score: 1

      Dumb animals taste better.

    24. Re:Soylent Green is DOGGGGGGGGGG by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Predatory species" doesn't tell us the whole story.

      We don't generally eat guinea pigs, rabbits, squirrels, porcupines, etc. either.

    25. Re:Soylent Green is DOGGGGGGGGGG by vettemph · · Score: 1

      There again, we eat the ugly fish and keep the cute ones in a fish tank as pets. It all comes down to a popularity contest.
        I've cut down my meat intake but if I go a couple days without meat i sure do feel like killing something. (ok, buying something thats been kill by someone else.)

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    26. Re:Soylent Green is DOGGGGGGGGGG by theartofthinking · · Score: 1

      I had some pet chickens during grade school. And no, I didn't live on a farm. I lived in the suburbs. They were very dear to me, and I almost cried when the last one died. But yeah, chicken is like the most delicious meat out there.

    27. Re:Soylent Green is DOGGGGGGGGGG by BlueFashoo · · Score: 1

      Rabbit's tasty. And I know a restaraunt I can get it at in SoCal. Squirrels and guinea pigs are too small to bother with. The spines on a porcupine aren't somthing I care to deal with.

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    28. Re:Soylent Green is DOGGGGGGGGGG by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Westerners hypocritical and irrational? No way! Never!

    29. Re:Soylent Green is DOGGGGGGGGGG by Kejope · · Score: 1

      Definitely culture. When I first got the chance to taste sashimi (raw fish), I had to fight 28 years of American culture in my mind telling me that I wanted to vomit. The fish did not taste bad and did not feel bad at all. After almost losing it several times, though, I decided to call it a success for a first try, rather than create an embarrassing situation. I have eaten sashimi on different occassions since then, though I still have to fight my culture sometimes.

      I also remember eating rabbit as a child (my father raised them). I remember it being saltier and more greasy than chicken. I remember liking it. I also remember the time we took a bunny in as a pet. I remember not being comfortable eating rabbit after that. ;>

      Here is an interesting twist on this 'mind over matter' issue. People can be convinced that they do not like a certain food.

      http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2005-08/03/conte nt_3302779.htm

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    30. Re:Soylent Green is DOGGGGGGGGGG by Electrum · · Score: 1

      In most of south-eastern Asia, milk and milk products are considered disgusting.

      I drank a carton of milk in Taiwan purchased from a convenience store and it tasted very different (worse, IMO) from milk in the US. Maybe they feed their dairy cows something different. In Taiwan, at least, it's not hard to find dairy products.

    31. Re:Soylent Green is DOGGGGGGGGGG by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ..and you're culturally conditioned to be a "DORK" If you don't like being a hypocritical Westerner MOVE and find out what other cultures like and don't like.

    32. Re:Soylent Green is DOGGGGGGGGGG by Mechcozmo · · Score: 1

      If you keep kosher, it helps cut down on a lot of this "eating animal" business for you. Hard to keep a cow as a pet, you see.

    33. Re:Soylent Green is DOGGGGGGGGGG by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't say that chicken is more eatable than dog.

      Different cultures also have different criteria for which animal can be their pets.

      http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,67513, 00.html?tw=wn_tophead_1

    34. Re:Soylent Green is DOGGGGGGGGGG by deesine · · Score: 1, Funny


      Just remember, pyroxide detonators only last one week. Maximum.

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    35. Re:Soylent Green is DOGGGGGGGGGG by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      milk in japan is also weird tasting. Its almost like the cream americans put in coffee

    36. Re:Soylent Green is DOGGGGGGGGGG by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      based on your username are you sure it wasn't you?

    37. Re:Soylent Green is DOGGGGGGGGGG by Deliveranc3 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      After being in Korea I found several other reasons to stop eating dog.

      #1 Koreans used to treat dogs terribly, since they are increadibly loyal beating them is rather unseemly.

      #2 People's pets were often stolen for the cooking pot... not pleasant.

    38. Re:Soylent Green is DOGGGGGGGGGG by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pigs is smarter than doggies.

    39. Re:Soylent Green is DOGGGGGGGGGG by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      10 years and no critters on my plate, or in my house (Vegetarian Girlfriend moved in... cook's a Veggie, household is veggie)

      first months had "meat cravings" but they went away. It was just that I was missing the cues for when a meal was complete.
      now smelling Burger king's smoke is gross (the grease is dripping from it - veggie oils are lighter, and don't have that tallow smell. plus you can dump them down the drain if you have to - try doing that with bacon grease. keeps the kitchen cleaner)

      Now watching other people eat slabs of muscle tissue is strange. Keep it off my plate, I have no big objection to it, but I wouldn't put that in my mouth. (there are other items that don't go in my mouth - but if that's your thing...)

      My question:

      Why do other people insist on telling me how wonderful it is to eat that crud? as if I'm missing something by not getting myself sick?

      (Girlfriend also got me on a gym routine - I'm a lot healthier than before I met her... as in people noticed)

      the improved health might be from the gym, or the diet, but when fat, pasty faces tell me how delicious it is to be eating greasy cadavers.....no, it's just ickky, and you are a fat idiot. And I know how self righteously you will crow if I say that to you - "all you vegetarians are so full of yourselves"

      no. I just object to listening to a moron brag about being stupid.

      thanks for letting me get that off my chest.

    40. Re:Soylent Green is DOGGGGGGGGGG by bronney · · Score: 1

      In most of south-eastern Asia, milk and milk products are considered disgusting.

      WTF? I am from hong kong and in my entire life haven't heard anything like this. So you're saying feeding one's own child with mother's milk is disgusting??

    41. Re:Soylent Green is DOGGGGGGGGGG by kauttapiste · · Score: 1
      In western societies we don't eat carnivores of any kind. That's why we don't eat dogs.

      The reason (I think) that we started eating pigs and cows in the first place was that they could be fed with the surplus agricultural products. Try to raise dogs for eating by feeding them grains!

    42. Re:Soylent Green is DOGGGGGGGGGG by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      trust me billy if a cow had a chance he would eat you and everyone you care about...

    43. Re:Soylent Green is DOGGGGGGGGGG by schon · · Score: 1

      Actually in some South American countries, guinea pigs are a dietary staple.

      You're right about squirrels and porcupines.

      We don't eat porcupines for the same reason we don't eat skunks - their defense mechanisms make them unappetizing.

    44. Re:Soylent Green is DOGGGGGGGGGG by Destoo · · Score: 1

      Last time I ate a dog, there was this little voice in my head..
      "You feel that eating the dog was a bad idea."

      @....%

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    45. Re:Soylent Green is DOGGGGGGGGGG by mcheu · · Score: 1

      >In most of south-eastern Asia, milk and milk
      >products are considered disgusting.

      Not really. It's just that Cow's milk was a rare commodity in SE Asia for a very long time. Goat's milk was much more common, but it was generally rare to find a village rich enough to afford large livestock (which are pretty much the only animals that anyone would bother to milk). Add to that a fair percentage of the population is lactose intolerant, and you can see why milkshakes aren't popular over there.

      For those that don't know, Lactose intolerance means eating anything with lactose in it results in nasty cramps, diarrhea, and a whole lot of gas. That's all sorts of 'eww' all around.

      As for cheese, the common pronounciation among Cantonese speakers is "Chee-see" which sounds very much like you're telling your guests that you're serving them scat out of some unidentified animal that they've never heard of. Yummy...

      That aside, just try and describe what cheese is, without it sounding gross.

    46. Re:Soylent Green is DOGGGGGGGGGG by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You filthy frogs!

    47. Re:Soylent Green is DOGGGGGGGGGG by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yet because our culture identifies dogs and cats as pets and friendly, domesticated creatures we're prone to frown on eating them.

      I think you're looking at it the wrong way. We domesticated dogs and cats because they were worth more to us alive than in our bellies. Cats can keep rodents away from grain stores, and dogs are useful for hunting and security. It's similar to the way that some cultures keep cows only for milk and don't eat them; they're more valuable to them as a continuous food source than a one-time feast.

    48. Re:Soylent Green is DOGGGGGGGGGG by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "We generally don't eat predators of any kind. They're generally just not very tasty, whether, cat, dog, ferret, cassowary or whatever."

      I don't know if predators are tasty or not. I always rather assumed that we don't raise them because the economics of raising them was just not as good as those of raising hebivores.

      Raise 10 cows? Put 'em in a field, wait 3 years (just a simplified guess here).

      Raise 10 (hmmm cow sized carnivore) bears? Feed each one several cows a year for 3-5 years.

      It's just not efficient.

  22. Before you know it by ch-chuck · · Score: 1

    N. Korea's Kim Jong-il will have an army of clone warriors.

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    1. Re:Before you know it by Dystopian+Rebel · · Score: 1

      In fact, it is inewitabo.

      Inewitabo! Inewitabo! Inewitabo!

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  23. Imagine... by Black+Perl · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...a Wolf cluster of these!

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  24. Obvious by NetDanzr · · Score: 1
    I ran a poll in the office, for coworkers to guess which country has cloned the dog. Given that I work at a venture capital firm with the "Find a need, fill the need" mentality, everybody answered correctly.

    Now I'm just waiting what the genetically modified food opponents would do...

  25. Not Impressive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'll be impressed when they clone the zombie dogs.

  26. A dog?! What's next?! by mynickwastaken · · Score: 0

    Snuppy joins a host of other cloned animals including Dolly the sheep, CC the cat and Ralph the rat
    Let me guess: Batman the bat?!
    Oh, just a sec. "For non-comercial purposes"? This would not work...

  27. OMG IT'S RE-PET! by xchino · · Score: 0

    But seriously, I think using this technology to clone our beloved pets would be a great idea. Now granted a cloned pet is not going to be exactly the same, but it will have the ssame genetics, and given the same environment to mature in, the end result should be a very similar pet. I've had a lot of dogs in my life, but Buster the Mutt was by far my favorite. He was super kind and loving and ridiculously smart. I know I will never find another dog like Buster, and given the oppurtunity I'd clone him in a second.

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    1. Re:OMG IT'S RE-PET! by Gunnery+Sgt.+Hartman · · Score: 2, Interesting

      What made Buster be Buster was not his DNA. They way he was raised and environment and what not affected his personality way more than DNA ever could. In a few hundred years you might be able to put him in a copy machine and spit out an identical one, but until then he'll be alike in DNA only. Even spots aren't hereditary.

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    2. Re:OMG IT'S RE-PET! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you ever made love to a egg-mcmuffin? It makes shoot my spermies all over my self.

      I like to pick my ass

    3. Re:OMG IT'S RE-PET! by benbry · · Score: 1

      But seriously, I think using this technology to clone our beloved kids would be a great idea. Now granted a cloned kid is not going to be exactly the same, but it will have the same genetics, and given the same environment to mature in, the end result should be a very similar kid. .... I know I will never have another kid like , and given the oppurtunity I'd clone him/her in a second. You see the problem? Once you step over the line in cloning, u open the floodgates for very scary consequences.

    4. Re:OMG IT'S RE-PET! by Joe+Tie. · · Score: 1

      They way he was raised and environment and what not affected his personality way more than DNA ever could.

      Parent: "given the same environment to mature in"

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  28. 5 easy steps... by jackelfish · · Score: 1

    1) Get egg 2) Inject DNA 3) Implant 4) Incubate for awhile 5) Start morality debate... again and again.

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  29. No.... This is cloning by durbnpoisn · · Score: 1
    No... This is how you clone things!

    In related news: I'm not going to be impressed with this "cloning" technology until they invent a machine where, you put an animal inside, and 2 come out.

  30. Allow me to have a Bob Barker moment here... by Rude+Turnip · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I hold nothing but extreme vitriol towards people that breed dogs when there are so many cats and dogs that are out on the streets and in shelters needing good homes. Same goes towards any pet store that sells cats and dogs.

    People, please spay or neuter your pets and don't allow your ego to perpetuate the suffering of homeless cats and dogs.

    1. Re:Allow me to have a Bob Barker moment here... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know, for a lot of people, does not satisfy what they intend to achieve by having a pet.

      Many people gravitate towards a specific breed because of its tendencies. Things like: tends to do well with children, tends to be intelligent and trainable, tends to like water.

      It's pretty callous to think most people just want any old pet, and picking one out at the pound will fulfill their needs.

    2. Re:Allow me to have a Bob Barker moment here... by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 1
      I hold nothing but extreme vitriol towards people that breed dogs

      I hold nothing but comtempt for people that don't realize that some of us aren't don't want to experiment to find a housepet that won't freak out and mame our children. Yeah, that cur has pretty eyes, but do you know that he wasn't thrown out for biting kids?

      I'm not much for "think of the children!", but given that pets are completely optional, it makes sense to pick one that is statistically most likely to fit in with your lifestyle. AKC breeds are pretty well known; if you buy a Boston Terrier from a reputably breeder, it will probably be a loving, tolerant pet. Random mutts from the shelter may also be loving, wonderful companions, but there's little reason to expect that of them.

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    3. Re:Allow me to have a Bob Barker moment here... by Some_Llama · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "find a housepet that won't freak out and mame our children. "

      This is a good point but also there are the health implications to consider, unless a animal (dog/cat in this instance) is bred correctly, it can lead to genetic defects and other health problems.

      AKC breeds have to meet a certain standard to get papaers and before they are sold (depnding on the breed) they have to be medically screened for certian genetic traits... for example, our family bought a Golden labrador, they have a genetic disposition towards hip problems, our dog was screened and everything looked ok (the breeder has also been breeding for a number of years, had award winning dogs, and knew his job), so far so good, great dog, everyone is happy...

      A friend of mine also got a labrador, but it wasn't from a reputable breeder and it turns out the dog has a bad hip, now the family loves their dog but they have to watch it suffer in pain and have had numerous medical bills to try and help the dog (it is only 4 years old at this point).

      So getting mad at people who buy dogs from breeders is just being ill-informed...

    4. Re:Allow me to have a Bob Barker moment here... by sponge_absorbent · · Score: 1

      Perhaps you should visit an animal shelter.
      I have visited a few animal shelters and each time the majority of the dogs are not pure breed.

      My family owns/owned several pure breed dogs purchased from professional breeders. The breeders made it clear that if we nolonger wanted the dogs they would happily take them back.

      Direct your hate at irresponsible owners and petshops that sell sexed animals as gifts.

    5. Re:Allow me to have a Bob Barker moment here... by rob_squared · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Allow me to have a Brian Griffin moment here... "Why don't you just die already?"

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    6. Re:Allow me to have a Bob Barker moment here... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hold nothing but extreme vitriol towards people that breed dogs when there are so many cats and dogs that are out on the streets and in shelters needing good homes.

      Agreed, and don't get me started on the people who breed with each other when there are so many humans out on the streets and in shelters.

    7. Re:Allow me to have a Bob Barker moment here... by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 1
      That's very true. We had to get surgery for our Maltese's chronic knee displacement, which fortunately seems to have fixed the problem.

      I think your point amplifies mine, though. When you buy from a breeder, you can at least theoretically check their reputation before buying. It's rare to know anything at all, though, about the background of a shelter animal. Maybe that sweet, beautiful hound using sad-dog eyes at you through the cage needs $3,000 in treatment to prevent a slow, painful death.

      I have nothing whatsoever against the idea of getting a "used" animal, but that requires a certain level of commitment and preparation for the unknown. Not everyone is ready to make that commitment, but I don't think that makes them (or the breeders that cater to them) bad people.

      We bought our Boston from a local couple that breeds their housepets once a year. He's not AKC, but he's a good little fellow from a healthy background. That's pretty much the ideal arrangement, in my opinion.

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    8. Re:Allow me to have a Bob Barker moment here... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can buy alot of bullets for the cost to spay or neuter one animal.

    9. Re:Allow me to have a Bob Barker moment here... by utexaspunk · · Score: 1

      i think your logic is a tad flawed- the problem is ANY form of breeding for money, whether by a "reputable" breeder or a disreputable one. there are plenty of dogs in the world without anyone intentionally breeding more of them. why not just adopt a dog? sure, it may have hip problems, but you know what? it's going to have those problems whether you adopt it or not. unless, of course, it just gets euthanised because nobody's willing to adopt it. would you rather that dog "suffer in pain" without anyone to love it?

    10. Re:Allow me to have a Bob Barker moment here... by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 1
      Unless you're a shepherd or work at a geriatric facility, you're most likely not in a situation where a pet is required to fulfill needs. And then it's usually a trained work animal, not a pet, and gets the appropriate shots and tied tubes.

      As far as want goes, why limit yourself to dogs and cats? A duck tends to like water more than a dog; a rat tends to be more intelligent.

    11. Re:Allow me to have a Bob Barker moment here... by seven+of+five · · Score: 1

      but do you know that he wasn't thrown out for biting kids?

      decent animal shelters will find out if an animal has bitten somebody (esp. children) and will let potential adopters know. They want animals to stay adopted, and they want adopting families to be safe.

    12. Re:Allow me to have a Bob Barker moment here... by Bob+Uhl · · Score: 1

      Ummm...they're animals; they're designed to be homeless. Yes, they will have to fight to survive: that's their natural state.

    13. Re:Allow me to have a Bob Barker moment here... by Bob+Uhl · · Score: 0
      Maybe that sweet, beautiful hound using sad-dog eyes at you through the cage needs $3,000 in treatment to prevent a slow, painful death.

      That's something else I'll never understand. Why spend $3,000 on surgery for an animal? It boggles the mind.

    14. Re:Allow me to have a Bob Barker moment here... by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 1
      Our little dog's knee surgery didn't cost anywhere near $3,000, but it was still more than I would have preferred to pay. It was any easy choice, though: the little guy was a loved family member and it was in our power to stop his pain so that he could enjoy his remaining time with us.

      I'm sure that someone with a lot more money than we have might feel the same about their treasured pet.

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    15. Re:Allow me to have a Bob Barker moment here... by NiTr|c · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Some people develop a bond with their animals. I'd spend whatever it took to help my cat. I, however, would never spend that type of money for another human being (relatives included). I'm sure some people would think I'm skewed in my perspective, but who are they to judge?

      So, just like you'll never understand how I can spend so much on an animal, I'll never understand how you could spend so much on a person, if in fact you would do so.

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    16. Re:Allow me to have a Bob Barker moment here... by demachina · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I hold nothing but extreme vitriol towards people that have children when there are so children that are out on the streets, starving and in orphanage's needing good homes. Same goes towards any religion that forbids birth control.

      People, please spay yourselves and don't allow your ego to perpetuate the suffering of homeless children.

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    17. Re:Allow me to have a Bob Barker moment here... by Roblimo · · Score: 1

      My wife and I adopted an adult pound dog two days before she was scheduled for euthanasia.

      Terri (the dog) is shaggy, lovable, and protects us from Al Queda terrorists, who often try to come into our yard disguised as cats.

      People ask me what breed she is. I say, "She's an American dog."

      And so she is, complete with waggly tail and a friendly disposition.

      Not only that, Terri is computer-literate!

      I don't think Terri is clonable. She is a unique individual.

      Take any pound dog with a reasonable disposition, give that dog love and firm training, and you will have a fine companion.

      There are lots of pound dogs waiting for you to come along and adopt them. If you want a dog, this is the best wat to get one!

    18. Re:Allow me to have a Bob Barker moment here... by utuk99 · · Score: 1

      Actually most of the current breeds of dogs are designed to be pets or work animals by hundreds or even thousands of years of selective breeding. My Pug definitely is not designed for survival in the wild. Nor are most of the small breeds.

    19. Re:Allow me to have a Bob Barker moment here... by mrdaveb · · Score: 2, Informative

      So getting mad at people who buy dogs from breeders is just being ill-informed...

      Selective breeding of dogs is the cause of these genetic defects, not the solution to them!

      Of course the damage has already been done now - the more ludicrous the shape of your dog, the finer the "pedigree". Buy a mongrel - the genetic diversity should reduce the likelihood of some of these problems.

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    20. Re:Allow me to have a Bob Barker moment here... by 0111+1110 · · Score: 1

      I have found pound animals to be a mixed bag. Some have personalities way better than any purebred I have ever had. Others have problems. It's high risk but high reward. They certainly have the potential to make better pets than any purebred. Inbreeding for physical characteristics has its price.

      [Note: I am actually hoping for a low ID contest. I definitely need to get a life and get out of this basement.]

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    21. Re:Allow me to have a Bob Barker moment here... by Frank+T.+Lofaro+Jr. · · Score: 1

      --
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      I think you meant reflect, not emit. People only emit photons if they are on fire or radioactive or something.

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    22. Re:Allow me to have a Bob Barker moment here... by utexaspunk · · Score: 1

      yep- my dog came from the pound as well. she's extremely smart, extremely affectionate, and as gentle and loyal as can be. people who buy purebred dogs are morons who would rather some breeder or the AKC tell them what kind of dog they are getting than just go down to the pound and judge their character for themselves.

    23. Re:Allow me to have a Bob Barker moment here... by Caraig · · Score: 1

      Very true. My parents had a German shepherd/Doberman mix. Purebred German sheps are notorious for severe hip problems, they've been bred to have these 'leaping' or 'sprinting' hind legs. A purebred German shep has distinctive hips, and a propensity for hip displacement and similar depressingly terminal problems. Purebred Dobermans also have their own issues. Add in the fact that purebred tends to mean INbred -- I think we've all seen how happy but inarguably DUMB most golden retrievers are. The mutt my parents got was bright, smart, happy, energetic, and showed absolutely no physical defects. It was a total heartbreak when she developed something terminal and she had to be put to sleep. The house was never really the same again.

      Anyway, I agree with the parent: get a mutt if you're looking for a dog. You'll have a dog who's on average brighter and healthier -- and thus happier -- than most purebreeds.

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    24. Re:Allow me to have a Bob Barker moment here... by bokutoe · · Score: 0

      That's why you judge the animal's character before adopting it...

      A random animal from the pound that seems very nice has just as much chance of maming your child as a purebreed that seems very nice.

    25. Re:Allow me to have a Bob Barker moment here... by CleverNickedName · · Score: 1

      I hold nothing but extreme vitriol towards people that breed when there are so many children that are out on the streets and in shelters needing good homes.

      People, please spay or neuter yourselves and don't allow your ego to perpetuate the suffering of homeless children.

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    26. Re:Allow me to have a Bob Barker moment here... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hold nothing but extreme vitriol towards people that breed themselves when there are so many morons and jackasses that are out on the streets needing to be put down.

      People, please spay or neuter your Epsilon Semi-moron relatives and don't allow your ego to perpetuate the suffering of people with an IQ above room temperature.

    27. Re:Allow me to have a Bob Barker moment here... by Filip22012005 · · Score: 1

      You called the dog you rescued from euthanasia 'Terri'?

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    28. Re:Allow me to have a Bob Barker moment here... by Some_Llama · · Score: 1

      "Selective breeding of dogs is the cause of these genetic defects, not the solution to them!"

      I don't know if I can agree with this, I think history will show that when you clean the genetic pool and keep one line of genetics strong and pure you will soon have a "master race" of dog superior in intellect and health to all other "mongrels".

      Just like the might German Shepard!! um, oh, ok nvm..

    29. Re:Allow me to have a Bob Barker moment here... by Some_Llama · · Score: 1

      I think the best solution for the dogs who would otherwise be euthanised is what they are currently doing with prisoner rehab.

        They take dogs who would be slated for death, and have them trained by inmates at a local prison to become helping dogs, (like bomb sniffers, blind assistants, etc..) everybody wins, the dogs get a home, the inmates get some "therapy".

      I think people who are buying a family pet should buy from a reputable breeder, it costs more in the outset, but you avoid health bills in the long run and you get to acclimate the dog to your household at a very young age (which helps them become more docile and accepting of humans).

      I still believe you will have less problems health wise with a good breeder who knows what he/she is doing rather than someone doing it solely for the profit.

      Of course in my opinion (although not very popular) the best thing to do with strains who have genetic defects is to let them die, it seems more natural to me (like natural seelection in the wild) than to perpetuate the species with these defects because it seems more "humane".

  31. Excellent! by Quixadhal · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Finally, an unlimited food source for the populous East!

  32. Why bother cloning them? by Iriel · · Score: 1

    http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/06/2 7/1923259&tid=191&tid=14

    We can bring them back to life!

    We're going to have a canine overpopulation with zombie dogs and more being cloned...(hiding behind nearest available corner)

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    1. Re:Why bother cloning them? by arosas · · Score: 1

      oh yes... pet cemetary for real this time.

  33. RTFA alternative Re:Difficult to clone by StefanJ · · Score: 4, Informative

    From the NYTimes story:

    * Can't stimulate estrus with hormones, as you can with other animals. (Doggy estrus is weird. I read about it while reading up on dogs prior to adopting one. Very complex process, and messy. Glad my pup is spayed.)

    * Difficult to detect ovulation.

    * Eggs are not ripe when they leave the ovary. They have to be nabbed as they travel through the fallopian tube, modified, and reinserted within a few hours.

  34. Department of Redundancy Department by Lord+Crc · · Score: 3, Funny

    The research purpose of the research is...

    Wait, research has research purpose? When did this happen?

    1. Re:Department of Redundancy Department by hayh · · Score: 1
      Actually, the full sentence reads The research purpose of the research is ostensibly to produce research animals and not for commercial purposes. (emphasis mine)

      Not to kill your joke, but I think the submitter was intentionally using the word research 3 times in one sentence to stress non-commercial. Which is, in itself, pretty damn funny :)

  35. Is that really necessary? by mmell · · Score: 1

    Won't they reproduce on their own, or are they an endangered species there on the Asian continent?

    1. Re:Is that really necessary? by Arimus · · Score: 0, Troll

      Depends on whether the local McKorean has a special on dog bugers and fries...

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  36. North Korea already did it by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 5, Funny
    Kim Jong-Il memorized the dog genome and used a gene sequencer he personally invented - shrewdly using the alias "Dovichi" to avoid deflecting the glory from his Workers' Paradise to himself.

    His stated goal was to create a new golf club to allow every blissful, well-fed citizen to achieve holes-in-one, even on tricky dog legs.

    Up next: Kim writes The Iliad and Beowulf in one afternoon, after using his psyonic powers to defeat Canada (in preparation for a crippling attack of their southern neighbor).

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    1. Re:North Korea already did it by decipher_saint · · Score: 1

      Aaah! My barely adequate psychic defenses are crumbling!

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    2. Re:North Korea already did it by unclocked · · Score: 1

      Actually, when they tried to clone a dog, they ended up with Kim Jong ILL. :)

    3. Re:North Korea already did it by Thud457 · · Score: 1

      Gotta include the fact that KJI invented the time-machine, otherwise how do you explain his having written "Guilliver's Travels" in PL/I ?

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  37. word salad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "The research purpose of the research is ostensibly to produce research animals and not for commercial purposes."

    Am I the only one thinking this sentence is incredibly funny?

  38. Let the jokes begin by Bruha · · Score: 0, Troll

    *crickets*

    Okay I was sure to see at least one they eat dogs over there joke.

    Hell for that matter never saw pigeons and cats also.

    Mr Lee's beefsticks were good though!

    Nothing like Itaewon at 2am!

    1. Re:Let the jokes begin by XaXXon · · Score: 1

      He means hookers. There's nothing in Itaewon at 2am other than hookers.

      Maybe some pimps.

      Mostly hookers.

      It's been a while since I've been there, but with the number of lonely GIs, I'm guessing the hooker demand hasn't subsided..

    2. Re:Let the jokes begin by Bruha · · Score: 1

      Actually there are a number of clubs and bars there. Sure there are juicy bars and I would guess hookers but any sane GI would stay away from those places.

  39. Ok, I'm confused on this... by JargonScott · · Score: 5, Funny

    "You can't teach an old dog new tricks" was easy to remember, and often true.

    So, what is it now? You can now teach your new old dog new tricks? Or, you can only re-teach your new dog's tricks to the old dog? Do the old tricks come pre-installed, and how many new tricks can you stack on top?

    Wait, you can't teach your old dog new tricks, but the new dog....

    Forget it...

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    1. Re:Ok, I'm confused on this... by Muhammar · · Score: 1

      Also, can you have a cake - and eat it too? (because in Korea...)

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    2. Re:Ok, I'm confused on this... by weeboo0104 · · Score: 0

      In Korea, only old people teach the new dog.

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  40. Re:Mmmmm.... by dzarn · · Score: 1

    (I know, poor taste, but funny..)

    Actually, the taste ain't too bad...

  41. South Korean Scientists Clone Dog by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Then eat it

    1. Re:South Korean Scientists Clone Dog by macdaddy357 · · Score: 1

      Wok the dog?

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  42. Big deal! by Phidoux · · Score: 1

    In Japan they have cloned a whale!

    1. Re:Big deal! by fbjon · · Score: 1

      Whoa, just think about it. How big is the egg a blue whale? You could probably clone them with your bare hands!

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    2. Re:Big deal! by Rude+Turnip · · Score: 1

      Now I've got this funny picture in my head of a guy being beaten with a single whale sperm. Thanks :)

    3. Re:Big deal! by scottv67 · · Score: 1

      Dear Rude Turnip:

      I told you that the bad thoughts would return if you stopped taking the pills..... ;^)

  43. Cloned dogs for medical purposes? by th3mp!r · · Score: 1

    I personally am against cloning. Aren't there enough dogs roaming around without owners that testing could be done on instead of using tons of money to make the same thing that can be done for free? When my mom had cancer you could hear the dogs that tests were being done on barking and running around upstairs in the Cancer Research Center, but I think cloning them is an unnecessary step.

    1. Re:Cloned dogs for medical purposes? by wk633 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If you accept animals being used for research, then cloning is a very neccessary step. Sure, it would be cheaper to just let them go at it, but then you don't get genetically identical test subjects.

      With clones, you can inuduce cancer in multiple animals, and give half a drug. The non-treated animals are now a perfect control group.

    2. Re:Cloned dogs for medical purposes? by dotdan · · Score: 0

      I think cloning dogs is a stepping stone to cloning humans, and my main guess for human cloning is to increase the availability of spare organs.
      However, how do you clone a human and grow organs suitable for a forty-year-old male? On top of that, how can it be done quickly?
      Cloning a human, growing them for twenty years, then knocking them out and stealing their organs to cure someone who had a disease twenty five years ago is completely useless.
      (Unless the person was a good-looking female.)

    3. Re:Cloned dogs for medical purposes? by geekoid · · Score: 3, Interesting

      For testing to have worth a damn, you need to know the genetic history of the animal. Also, you can create animals with a specific genetic disorders to test meds against.

      Magine being able to test a drug were all the test animal were identical.

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    4. Re:Cloned dogs for medical purposes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Magine being able to test a drug were all the test animal were identical.

      Actually, this would be completely worthless for the purpose of drug testing (ie pre-clinical trials) precisely because all the test subjects would have the same genetic background. You WANT to test on animals with variable genetic background because it's more similar to the human population (in that there's genetic variablility). Say there's an SNP in some dog gene that causes those dogs to have some horrible side-effect, (say 5% of them die, whereas testing on mice may not show this since they're inbred.) then you could extrapolate such a potential side effect to human beings. Now, if you go off and test your drug on 500 genetically identical dogs, ones without that SNP, then you'll think everything's fine, and go into clinical trials. You'll only discover that 5% of the population has the horrible side effect when you test on the genetically diverse human population.

      Is it possible for a SNP in dogs to have the same effect as one in human beings in response to a drug? It's unlikely, but it's not impossible, and it's certainly an area of active research.

      I'm not convinced that a cloned animal is going to give you that much more information than an inbred strain of mouse where the genetic background is stable. In high throughput studies (such as microarrays), it's been possible to determine the order in which a group of normal mice were sacrificed by looking at the expression level of various stress related genes. (Imagine being a mouse in a cage with 25 other buddies. Suddenly, over several hours, your friends start disappearing. You start to get nervous..) Bottom line is that you can detect non-genetic variability between individuals using inbred strains. Why bother cloning animals, other than to get a Nature paper saying "we used cloned animals" ?

    5. Re:Cloned dogs for medical purposes? by Blue-Footed+Boobie · · Score: 1
      Mod parent down!

      I was 'visiting' his Mom too, and she was downstairs from the Childrens Cancer Ward. Those "research" dogs running around were actually Therapy Dogs.

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    6. Re:Cloned dogs for medical purposes? by Electrum · · Score: 1

      You'll only discover that 5% of the population has the horrible side effect when you test on the genetically diverse human population.

      Is that a bad thing if you can determine that before the subject takes the drug? A drug that works on 95% of the population is better than no drug at all.

    7. Re:Cloned dogs for medical purposes? by 0111+1110 · · Score: 1

      Unless the person was a good-looking female.

      Now do you see the possibilities? I would clone my ex-girlfriend in a heartbeat if I had the tech. The only question would be how to get a cheek swab. I wonder if a fresh hair strand would work. Wish I had thought of that back when I was still dating her. Any future girlfriends (that I like enough) will definitely get their cheeks swabbed and their cells frozen...

      Also consider that cells of beautiful people could be worth many thousands of dollars. Why bother with your own genetics when you can buy a son/daughter with perfect genetics. Good looking and smart as proven by the adult human. Human cloning would be incredible tech. I hope I will live to see it and that it will not be outlawed.

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    8. Re:Cloned dogs for medical purposes? by scottv67 · · Score: 1

      Are you implying that "beautiful people" have good looking children? And that smart people have smart children?

      I don't think that always holds true. I have seen plenty of examples of HOT women who had average or below-average looking parents. And a set of hot parents can have an average looking (or below) child.

    9. Re:Cloned dogs for medical purposes? by 0111+1110 · · Score: 1

      Are you implying that "beautiful people" have good looking children?

      No. Although I wouldn't necessarily shy from such an assumption on a statistical basis. We are talking about cloning here. So we are talking about the equivalent of an identical twin of a one particular human judged to have certain characteristics. If you choose a very beautiful person who also happens to have a very high IQ you will end up with an identical twin of such a person. That would be seriously stacking the deck. Although why a person would want to do that is another question. Especially since they would look down on us as the pathetic, inferior, scum that we would be.

      And in most cases a super high IQ on someone with supermodel looks would be wasted. They would almost never use it anyway. The power of being beautiful and the instant gratification it can bring could never compete with the satisfying but very delayed gratification that comes from intellectual pursuits. But it would be worth a try anyway. Nothing is as miraculous as a beautiful person who just ignores their beauty and spends all their time learning, studying, and researching. This is rare because it goes strongly against human nature.

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  44. Snuppy Doggy Dog by mynickwastaken · · Score: 0

    Was a "doggy style" clonning?! I think, using "Missionary" style would be more productive...

  45. Re:Mmmmm.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So I've heard.

    Apparently it tastes like horse.

  46. Re:No.... This is cloning by Orrin+Bloquy · · Score: 1

    I'm not going to be impressed until they invent a machine where you put an animal inside and Rebecca Romijn comes out.

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  47. Cloning, breeding, who cares by Dachannien · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Quoth the article: "Canine cloning runs contrary to the Kennel Club's objective 'To promote in every way the general improvement of dogs'," Phil Buckley, spokesman for the Kennel Club told the BBC News website.

    But the KC does things like register particular breeds of dogs which, due to their popularity, have been improperly bred so that they develop a wide variety of health problems. Some breeds are even prone to genetic disorders even if they aren't inbred. So doesn't promoting the breeding of these susceptible dog breeds detract from the lives of those dogs?

    And besides that, there are so many dogs out there that are euthanized because nobody can find homes for them. Doesn't intentionally breeding more dogs in such an environment make life worse (as in, dead) for the dogs that get euthanized?

    Yes, I think that cloning animals to be pets is a bad idea, but aside from the multitude of failed clones, I don't get how that's any worse than breeding them. And at least the cloning scientists have a goal of improving the state of medicine for humans.

    1. Re:Cloning, breeding, who cares by Some_Llama · · Score: 1

      "have been improperly bred so that they develop a wide variety of health problems"

      That is due to lazyness or incompetence on the part of the breeder not the KC, the KC makes sure that proper breeding techniques are followed (as well as medical screenings of all dogs who are registered for breeding), as well as tracking bloodlines (papers) to help reduce the genetic dispositions for disorder.

    2. Re:Cloning, breeding, who cares by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're operating on outdated information. Most breeders nowadays are aware of the health problems common among certain breeds and try very hard to avoid them. A dog (or any other pure-bred animal) with health problems is considered a poor specimen and will not sell for much. To give an example, when the Siamese breed of cat first appeared in the West, most of them had crossed eyes and crooked tails. Now you rarely ever see Siamese with these traits.

      Sure, in a perfect world, people would only buy stray pets and no pets would go hungry and no animals would ever die and farts would smell like roses. But that's not the world we live in, and many people want pure-bred pets.

  48. RE: by JesperJ · · Score: 1

    It looks pretty cute'n normal imo. :D

  49. Typical First Born Advantage by Hobbes828 · · Score: 1
    The second cloned dog, named NT-2, died of pneumonia. Does this come as a surpirse to anyone?

    Everyone at the lab: "Ooooh Snuppy is soooo cuute!"

    Random Scientist 1: "Anybody else notice NT-2 is coughing a lot?"

    Everyone else: "What did you sa- Ooooh look at Snuppy play with his ball."

    1. Re:Typical First Born Advantage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't worry, the next one will be much more improved and stable. Just wait 'til they release XP!

  50. New McDonalds food source... by Cheerio+Boy · · Score: 1

    "I'd like one McShitzu please?"

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  51. Well... slahsdot editors.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... have been cloning articles since like... forever!!

  52. Only about 10% eat dog by winkydink · · Score: 1

    So it would be probably more akin to cloning deer or somesuch in the US.

    I don't know about Korea, but I can tell you that in the parts of China I have visited, the black dog's meat is the most highly regarded.

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  53. In America, they're planning to clone bulls by gamer4Life · · Score: 1

    http://whatscookingamerica.net/History/RockyMtnOys ter.htm

    After all, we all know that all Americans eat Bull testicles whenever they get a chance.

  54. Do clones have a soul? by xmorg · · Score: 1

    Assuming there is a God, and assuming it is possible to clone humans, will the cloned human have a soul or just the original?

    Will the original and clone have to share 1 sould or will there be separate souls? If the original does bad will the have to go to hell?

    As a christian, I have no problems with cloning, as long as the clone will live.(and not be used as spare parts)

    1. Re:Do clones have a soul? by TheSneak · · Score: 1

      I thought Christians believed dogs had no soul to begin with.

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    2. Re:Do clones have a soul? by pilot1 · · Score: 1

      orthodox ones do, apparently this christian needs to be re-educated. He can have a meeting with the local priest after he's done molesting a little boy.

    3. Re:Do clones have a soul? by truckaxle · · Score: 2, Informative

      Clones are no different than identical twins.

      Identical twins are formed when one egg is fertilized by one sperm. After fertilization, the egg splits. Each twin will share exactly the same DNA. They will look alike right down to hair color and eye color.

      In fact since twins share the same womb environment they are more identical than a clone.

    4. Re:Do clones have a soul? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Assuming there is a God, and assuming it is possible to clone humans, will the cloned human have a soul or just the original?

      Humans are cloned all the time. Hell, you ever hear of twins? Now tell me, does one twin have the soul or just the original?

      But you are right about one thing: if one twin does bad, the other defnitely has to go to hell. That's why there are so many lesbian twins on the pr0n sites (when one succumbs to such desires, the other has no choice but to go along with it). No worries however: this is all God's plan.

    5. Re:Do clones have a soul? by truckaxle · · Score: 1

      btw thesneak "Nasa spent billions making a pen capable of writing in space. The Russians just use a pencil." is a long ago debunked urban legend. You might want to update your sig.

    6. Re:Do clones have a soul? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In this case, Seoul.

    7. Re:Do clones have a soul? by Digital+Vomit · · Score: 1
      Assuming there is a God, and assuming it is possible to clone humans, will the cloned human have a soul or just the original?

      The clone would obviously be a different soul; he's a different person with his own thoughts and feelings. That's what a soul *is*: the person.

      Clones happen all the time (identical twins), but they're not the same person/soul. Why should an artificial identical twin be different from a natural identical twin?

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    8. Re:Do clones have a soul? by cyberwiz01 · · Score: 1

      I don't know, but these Korean dog clones definately have a Seoul.

    9. Re:Do clones have a soul? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Clones happen all the time (identical twins), but they're not the same person/soul. Why should an artificial identical twin be different from a natural identical twin?

      Prove it. If it can't be measured, it doesn't exist.

    10. Re:Do clones have a soul? by ehiris · · Score: 1

      So if I clone myself in a small womb I can have an identical twin who I can call Mini Me?

    11. Re:Do clones have a soul? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If it can't be measured, it doesn't exist from a materialist point of view. This point of view, while extraordinarily useful(e.g. in science, politics, and economics), is not the only possible point of view for which there is a definition of the word "exist". I'm quite sure you knew this already.

      (Note: please don't accuse me of being a "religious nut" - I'm an agnostic, but the rampant anti-religious bias on slashdot nonetheless irritates me to no end.)

    12. Re:Do clones have a soul? by Digital+Vomit · · Score: 1
      Prove it. If it can't be measured, it doesn't exist.

      I assume you are talking about the soul. I offer your own post back to you as proof you (i.e. your soul) exists. Your post is a valid measurement of another conscious, thinking entity, or soul.

      The soul is not some kind of mystical ghost. It's *you*.

      Or don't you think you exist?

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    13. Re:Do clones have a soul? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As a slashdotter you will find it difficult to get anywhere near a womb.

    14. Re:Do clones have a soul? by jotaeleemeese · · Score: 1


      Yeah, do you thinkg identical twins have soul?

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      IANAL but write like a drunk one.
  55. uh oh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Begun, the clone wars have.

  56. Cryrogenics by daviq · · Score: 0

    When do we clone frozen people like Walt Disney?

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  57. w00f! by ettlz · · Score: 1

    Great, backup copies. I've always wanted a redundant array of independent dogs.

  58. Dyslexic Simpsons Quote by anville · · Score: 1

    Dog schmog, I want my monkey-man!

  59. Slashdot scientists produce world's first... by aapold · · Score: 1

    cloned news story. In about two weeks.

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  60. Thats right! by geekoid · · Score: 1

    becasue it also conviently promote inbreeding, and removes animals that have qualities people want to adopt.

    Also, it is better to not have existed then to be an eye sore to humans.

    Why do you think homeless cats 'suffer'? is it becasue they aren't all neat and bathed so they can fit into your little mental box of how they should live?

    Homeless cats control homeless rats.

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    1. Re:Thats right! by EggyToast · · Score: 1

      Not in Baltimore, where the rat population rules with an iron fist. Woe is the cat who finds itself on the wrong side of a menacing Rattus.

    2. Re:Thats right! by Tim+C · · Score: 1

      Why do you think homeless cats 'suffer'? is it becasue they aren't all neat and bathed so they can fit into your little mental box of how they should live?

      People bathe their cats? Why? Unless they get coated in something they can't clean off themselves (which in my experience is pretty rare), there's no reason at all to bathe them (and several good reasons not to, not least of which is that it distresses them and tends to injure you...)

  61. Re: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    IME afghan hounds are some of the dumbest dogs on the planet so it would be hard to determine if it was brain damaged...

  62. Oh noes!!! by alvinrod · · Score: 1
    Hopefully he doesn't clone himself. You do realize that he's almost a god, don't you? Why after all, He shot 11 hole-in-ones the first round of golf he ever played!

    Imagine what he could do with the first Stealth bomber (that he invented) that he ever flew!

    More seriously though, this was done in South Korea, not North Korea which is the country KJI is driving into the ground.

    1. Re:Oh noes!!! by superpulpsicle · · Score: 1

      Those Kim propaganda gets worse by the day.

      It's one thing to be effective in conveying the message of a super-leader. It's a joke when they say he can fly, run a mile in 2 minutes and memorize the entire phone book. Quite frankly if your country's leader waste time memorizing phone numbers, you got bigger problems to worry about.

  63. MicroSoft clones dog every OS release by peter303 · · Score: 1

    I apologize to my canine friends for comparing you to MicroSoft :-)

  64. Is called sex... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You take horny male dog.
    Female dog in heat.
    Put in big box.
    Wait......
    Many dogz come out later.

  65. Welcome! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I, for one, welcome our cloned, canine ove- oh man, he's licking himself. I'm outta here.

  66. Re:Allow me to have a Jerry Springer moment here.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Help control the RedNeck population...

    Have your kids spayed or neutered..

  67. Well I'll be damned! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Doggy estrus is weird.

    Yeha, I'm sure you know ALL ABOUT doggy pussy, have all the videos and such. Pervert.

  68. Not enough clones to matter by jfengel · · Score: 1

    I doubt that this process is significantly increasing the number of dogs out there. It's too hard, and too complex. If you want to worry about this you'd be much better off giving money to the local "neuter and spay" foundation rather than campaigning against cloning.

    This exists primarily to preserve lines you particularly care about, either as a breed or of a beloved pet. But 99.9999% of people will stick to the "going to the pound" theory of buying a dog (or buying one, or getting a puppy from a friend.)

  69. Whole New Food Source for Koreans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think the thing that you complainers are forgetting when you whine about how it's not that cool to cloan a dog, is that this has huge implications for the agriculture industry in Korea. Now that they can cloan dogs, that opens up vast possibilities for choosing only the finest tasting dogs and just cloaning them. Just imagine if the same were done here in the United Gulags of Bush. Our pharms would just make sure to taste test each cut of meat from first gen cattle that had already been genetical sampled. Then the most delicious cuts of cattle with the best health could be cloaned and we'd have an endless supply of high quality meats.

    Cloaning is the answer to the world's food problems and it's never been more obvious than the Korean dog cloaning programs. Them gooks are always one step ahead of us whities. So don't diss the cloan. Embrase it and make it happy so that you too will one day eat of the cloaned dog flesh and cow meat. No more mad cow. No more rabies. Just pure meaty goodness of pet dogs and prized cows!

  70. Why an Afghan hound? It's the stupidest dog of all by Sloppyjoes7 · · Score: 1

    According to this page, afghan hounds are literally THE stupidest dog there is. They need absolute constant care and supervision, to prevent their idiotic behavior. According to one site:
    "Afghans can be very destructive when bored. The Afghan Hound has an independent disposition and may not understand your displeasure with his destructive behaviors."

    So, we have a dog that destroys your house if you leave him alone, and cannot learn otherwise, because they cannot be trained.

    Why not clone a perfectly-bred German Shepherd, or Retriever? The first thing the cloned Afghan did was probably destroy the lab he was created in.

  71. Cloned Dog Sandwich by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    http://slate.msn.com/?id=2060840

    The South Korean dog meat industry reportedly involves about 1 million dogs, 6,000 restaurants, and 10 percent of the population

    yes this is from 2002 but hmmmmm makes you wonder

  72. More Stories by Ebon+Praetor · · Score: 1

    Somehow, the editors removed the Reuters link from the original story.

    Also, for those who already have an account (so don't have to fork over their first-borne), from the New York Times.

  73. Re: YES, all living organisms have a soul. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Soul basically means 'breath' - life.

    Contemporary understanding of a 'soul' is the whole life history of an organism, the product of it's energies and interactions.

    It is the one thing that can't be destroyed - from birth to death - the history of interactions and activities of a creature cannot be erased ( except for time travel paradoxes - but that's another topic).

    From an all creature standpoint - each unique creature has a unique life experience and thus a unique soul.

    So identical twins - which are basically clones - exact same DNA and everything - they both have a unique soul all their own.

  74. But wat it a... by rkeene517 · · Score: 1

    But was it a Capitalist Running Dog so as to be expoertable to China? :-)

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  75. lovely! by cashman73 · · Score: 1

    Oh goody! More dogs for Bob Barker to spay and neuter! ;-)

  76. Lot of stupid "Koreans eat dogs" jokes. by putko · · Score: 1

    So what if Koreans (and Chinese) eat dogs. Why is this worth talking about?

    We think of them as pets, and others seem them was work-animals or food -- but so what?

    There are euros who eat horses. There's others who eat pig (a really nice and smart animal). Chinese eat rats. Blacks in Africa eat insects and other grubs.

    My hat's off to the Koreans for the science involved. While you are making dog-jokes, they are achieving great progress in the life sciences.

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    1. Re:Lot of stupid "Koreans eat dogs" jokes. by korea · · Score: 1

      the favored pet in korea is the toy dog. in fact, if you look in the streets of any major city you see far more people walking their dogs than you would on any neighborhood. korea loves their pets.

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    2. Re:Lot of stupid "Koreans eat dogs" jokes. by vga_init · · Score: 1
      It's because people are xenophobic and stupid.

      I kept pet rats for years, and they're very adorable and shockingly intelligent animals. They enjoy interaction a lot and make excellent pets. On the flip site, I've heard that rat meat is very tasty, and I'd like to try it some day.

    3. Re:Lot of stupid "Koreans eat dogs" jokes. by vga_init · · Score: 1
      korea loves their pets.

      My girlfriend and I play Rangarok Online, a Korean-made game that I assume is/was popular there (as well as Japan and the United States, where they run commercial servers). Soon after the game came out of beta, they implemented a Cute Pet system.

    4. Re:Lot of stupid "Koreans eat dogs" jokes. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it's still kind of funny.

      PS not all "blacks" eat grubs. and since when is "blacks" an ethnicity?

    5. Re:Lot of stupid "Koreans eat dogs" jokes. by putko · · Score: 1

      What do you recommend calling them?

      "Africans" refers to the continent, and doesn't mean "blacks". E.g. F. W. de Klerk is "African". If he were to immigrate to the USA, he'd be an "African-American".

      There are also Arabs, Indians and so on in Africa -- so the term "African" is pretty useless.

      I guess "negroes" would be a good term, but I think "blacks" is an equally informative term that gets used more these days.

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  77. Yet another major step... by TheGorilla · · Score: 0, Redundant

    towards stopping world hunger.

  78. There are clones everywhere by PaxTech · · Score: 1

    There are millions of human clones already, walking around among us. You've almost certainly met several during your lifetime.

    As in, identical twins. They share the same DNA. Oooh scary!

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    1. Re:There are clones everywhere by Babbster · · Score: 1

      Indeed. It's unfortunate that they have to share just the one soul...

  79. Well, I personally don't think that's the point by nibtib · · Score: 1

    They want to secretly maintain food quality IMHO (:

    1. Re:Well, I personally don't think that's the point by korea · · Score: 1

      IMHO go to korea and learn something about what you're posting about. If that's too hard, sit on your hands.

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    2. Re:Well, I personally don't think that's the point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah great idea, go to Korea and check the place out.

      Last time I was there (1 1/2 years ago), I went on a day tour with the tourist bus you can buy tours with at Seoul Airport.

      Aside from suggesting a lovely lunch at a restaurant which specializes in dog meat (I turned it down because I wasn't feeling particularly hungry.)

      I also "got to visit," more like had no choice, and was ferried to one of their stupid ubiquitous "Ginseng Tea stores" for some good old fashioned hard-sell of overpriced Korean Ginseng products (which incidentally you can't even bring back to the States legally)

      In all fairness though I got to see some pretty cool palaces in Seoul and lots of Riot Police standing ready with Shields and Batons surrounding the local university!

      I was hoping to see some tear gas discharged, or some "unruly" students getting the beatdown, but unfortunately nothing happened.

    3. Re:Well, I personally don't think that's the point by korea · · Score: 1

      you had a tourist's visit. i had a local's visit. very different.

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  80. High pun potential here... by lazlo · · Score: 1

    So the scientist went home, told his wife what he'd done, and she said "So what? I knitted an afghan today too..."

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  81. FOOD FOR EVERYONE by KefabiMe · · Score: 0

    S Korea unveils first dog clone

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4742453. stm

    Let's make cloned puppy pie!!!

    I'm part Korean, and my girlfriend sent the above email to me this morning. I swear!!!

  82. They cloned a hound and a sweater, sounds exciting by DECS · · Score: 1

    Maybe you can wrap it around yourself to keep warm - and fuzzy.

    Why they chose to clone it with an Afgan is anyone's guess.

  83. Only a matter of time by Bananatree3 · · Score: 1
    From the BBC article:
    "Sadly however, the media interest is likely to attract pet owners keen to re-create their much loved pets. .... However, another member of the cloning team, Dr Gerald Schatten from the University of Pittsburgh School of Medicine, US, said they are not in the business of cloning pets. "The overall objective of this programme is to learn about the root causes of diseases," he told the BBC.

    This one particular team is doing cloning simply for medical disease research. What makes this kind of news most disturbing though is that with such wide publicity, you will have lots of people saying to themselves that they would absolutely love to have fido back from the dead. The demands from these owners, no matter how much the debate may say that it is unethical, will drive pop-up commercial biotechs looking for a quick cloning buck. Even though only a few of these dog owners could pay the hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars that a cloning company would charge for such a service, just that is enough to bring such an industry alive. It has already happened with CC the cat (mentioned in the article), and I have no doubt will happen in the near future with a dog (even though the risks are so high). Some rich dog owner out there will probably be willing to pay through the nose to have his fido back, and his money will grease the commercial biotechs to find a way.

    1. Re:Only a matter of time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And this is wrong? this should let breeders let an animal live it's whole life out. one could see how easily it was trained, if it was cancer prone, whether or not it has hip problem genes, and then you could clone the very best pups for breeding stock. You could also keep diverse genes in the freezer, thaw if needed.

      Think of the healthy, long lived seeing eye dogs. the improved search and rescue dogs.

      And the early adopters are just begging to pay for all the research, all at no cost to you.

  84. Re:Dear Mods... by Thud457 · · Score: 1
    "Can you imagine a Beowulf cluster of these?"

    You could win the Idiotroid race!


    (Maybe even the Iditarod race!)

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  85. Re:It's all about the poultry by mpapet · · Score: 1

    Seriously,

    Whoever runs the top-3 poultry company in the U.S. will likely pay top-dollar to have their most profitable birds cloned.

    That is if they haven't done so already.

    So, when do I get my finders fee?

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  86. Yummy by Mochatsubo · · Score: 1

    coming to a restaurant near you...

  87. Disproving God? by dalutong · · Score: 1

    I always wondered about the religious issues concerning cloning. I cound never understand a couple of things.

    One -- if only god can give you a soul, does an animal you clone have a soul? If it does, did he put it in there even though you (supposedly) did something immoral?

    What's so terrible about playing god? all his creatures are wonderful, why not make more?

    i had more... but i just blanked. it's too late at night for this...

    (but if anyone else thinks the this-is-evil claim doesn't make sense, chip in.)

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    1. Re:Disproving God? by SnapperHead · · Score: 1

      I agree with you 100%, if you don't mind I am now going to use this as my argument for cloning :P

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    2. Re:Disproving God? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One -- if only god can give you a soul, does an animal you clone have a soul? If it does, did he put it in there even though you (supposedly) did something immoral?

      If you read your bible more carefully, you'll see
      that 'soul' is neither issued by God nor is it
      immortal. Preachers have told you that, but they
      don't read their bibles either. The word used there
      is a synonym for 'self' or 'individual'. As in,
      '100 souls were cut off' in a battle = 100 individuals were killed.

    3. Re:Disproving God? by MyHair · · Score: 1

      I don't think animals have souls in Christian belief. They don't go to heaven, contrary to hollywood productions.

      I think the lion lying beside the lamb was metaphorical.

      Or at least these are tidbits I remember. I didn't pay much attention the few times I went to church.

  88. This is a cottage industry waiting to happen... by BRSQUIRRL · · Score: 1

    You could rake in money hand over fist if you started a company based on this ("DogDuplicator, Inc"). Wealthy family's beloved pet passes away? No problem...Fido, Mark II!

  89. Research purpose of the research? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The research purpose of the research is ostensibly to produce research animals

    That's a beautiful thing.

  90. There are those breeders who should be supported by Shivetya · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Do not attempt to put guilt upon the good breeders out there. It is not their fault for the huge numbers of homeless animals and they should not have their legitimate activities curtailed.

    The good breeders promote their breeds by ensuring only the good representatives of the breed are bred. They usually sell their dogs in two classes, show and pet. Show class dogs are show no signs of defect, injury, or disease. They are splendid examples of their breed and will help to keep the breed useful and defect free. Pet quality dogs are usually those whom the breeder to be healthy animals yet not posses the best qualities representative of the breed. They are sold on the condition that they are to be spayed or neutured. Their registration actually prevents unscrupulous buyers from registering litters produced by them.

    The good effect of cloning is that by advancements in the procedures it may be possible to eliminate some defects that show up in various types of animals thereby improving the breeds.

    I am all for control of the pet population but it is just as selfish to condemn all breeders and sellers as it is to ignore the problem out there. Quite a few states PERMIT puppy-mills (Misourri is one). I am all for shutting down those places and the businesses that use them.

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  91. Scientists name is "Woo Suk-hwang"...? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    buhahahahahahhahaha....can't believe this wasn't commented on...?

  92. South Koreans clone dog... by SCVirus · · Score: 0

    I thought eating cloned things wasn't good.

  93. Son of a bitch! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh wait...

  94. Re:Mmmmm.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    I know, poor taste

    How would you know, have you tried dog?

  95. Breeds? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wonder if there is anyway to bring back some extinct breeds, like the original Mastiffs (who died out after World War I)?

  96. This just in... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The cloned puppy has just won a trip to "The Island"...

  97. Clones by homerskid · · Score: 1

    All this and not a single 4 assed dog joke? I guess there's a shortage of Southpark fans out here...

  98. Re:There are those breeders who should be supporte by Rude+Turnip · · Score: 1

    Breeders are contributing to the supply of dogs when there is already an egregious surplus out in the streets. They are part of the problem. Aside from legitimate work dogs (ie bomb sniffers & seeing-eye), *very few* selections of purebreds are not driven by the buyer's ego, IMO.

    "The good effect of cloning is that by advancements in the procedures it may be possible to eliminate some defects that show up in various types of animals thereby improving the breeds."

    The only way to get rid of problems like hip dysplacia (sp?) in hounds and respiratory problems found in some bulldog varieties is to eliminate the breed by interbreeding to introduce more genetic variety.

  99. Would it be too tasteless.... by otis+wildflower · · Score: 1

    ... to post this link:

    http://plif.andkon.com/archive/wc263.gif

    Probably...

  100. Re:Hey Timothy, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What's up, Scott? Been a while, where ya been?

  101. Why dog ? by LupeSpywalper · · Score: 2, Funny

    The scientists were reverse engineering the work of God. So as a lab joke they used a doG.

  102. Oblig Fark by snowwrestler · · Score: 1

    Your dogs wants itself.

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  103. And? by rudydog · · Score: 0

    And we'll this research call; around the business of Pittsburgh how Snuppy, was created the hairy puppy was transferred to be very valuable in dogs: diseases, and treat a cell of existing dogs the first dog clones will help them understand and placed it is possible, if you can of Pittsburgh how Snuppy the technique simply produces genetic material from a three year old male Afghan ear of animals have still doing well after birth but the ear of cloning British Veterinary Association, is likely to human diseases, are to re create their much loved pets.

  104. Obligatory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah, but does it run Linux?

  105. Soul? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So, if a human was cloned, would he have a soul? Would that soul be unique?

  106. beef imports by operationRedPeace · · Score: 1

    Beef exports to South Korea suddenly dwindle due to recently economically viable alternative beef sources. However, the sudden increase of alternative beef source had quadrupled the US rice exports to that region.

  107. Courtesy cluephone! Please pick up! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    (a) Koreans do in fact eat dogs, though I gather it's mostly the older generation that do so, and there are now animal rights organizations trying to promote the idea of dogs as being exclusively pets.

    (b) People in America joke about chitlins, white bread, and other disgusting food eaten by po' white trash.

    1. Re:Courtesy cluephone! Please pick up! by korea · · Score: 1

      a) it's also eaten by older generations because it is a very tender meat and a good source of protein that tastes good. only one kind of dog is consumed (dunggae - shit dog) and it is not a domestic breed. pet ownership is very prevalent in korea. b) if Americans were to clone pigs, no one would mention chitterlings. c) eating dogs isn't unethical, beating them to get adrenaline pumping is. reading is fundamental.

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    2. Re:Courtesy cluephone! Please pick up! by Drooling+Iguana · · Score: 1

      So, in Korea, only old people eat dogs?

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  108. Animal research is a waste of time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    "The dog has characteristics similar to human beings," lead researcher Woo Suk-hwang of Soul National University, South Korea, told the BBC. "Some of their diseases are almost the same as human diseases.


    Yeah, and sugar is molecularly very similar to crack. Close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades, mister researcher man.
  109. In related news... by funkyfreshcoderdude · · Score: 1

    Koreans will never go hungry again.

  110. Mmmm.... by tedhiltonhead · · Score: 1

    Tastes like chicken!

  111. In Soviet Russia by JrbM689 · · Score: 0

    Dog clones you!

  112. In other news; A dyslexic .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    follower of Reverend Moon believes that the Koreans had cloned God.

  113. Scientists hope... by spikefruit · · Score: 1

    Scientists hope dog clones will help them understand and treat a range of serious human diseases.

    These scientists speak dog?

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  114. Obligatory welcome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    I, for one, welcome our Hyundai-chasing lookalike wolfen overlo...

    Oh who cares.

  115. Clones are soulless by mechsoph · · Score: 1

    And so are identical twins.

    (Yes, I'm joking)

    The clone is just another animal with the same DNA. Nobody gets freaked out about identical twins, but there are always some people who make this complaint about clones.

    As best as I can tell, all the "playing God" complaints are from religious luddites.

    There may be some socio-economic consequences of cloning that are worth considering though. If we get to some more advanced genetic engineering, there certainly will be. Designer genes, anyone?

  116. They cloned the dog.... by slicenglide · · Score: 1


    and then promptly ate him.

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    John Walsh once found me while looking for some other kid. He was not amused.
  117. Woof! Woof! by Wonderkid · · Score: 1

    Yes, I said, Woof! Woof!

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  118. Cloned dog? Korea? by TheAvatar666 · · Score: 0

    Now they just solved the hunger in Korea. An endless supply of dog skewers!

  119. Dept. Of Redundancy by apocalypse76 · · Score: 0

    "The research purpose of the research is ostensibly to produce research animals and not for commercial purposes."

    Sounds like it's been done by the Department of Redundancy Department.

  120. They already tried it in the past... by Cloud+K · · Score: 1

    ... ended up with this thing

    http://samugliestdog.com/images/Sammagnetweb.jpg ;)

  121. Dog Clones Korean Scientist by uberchicken · · Score: 0, Informative

    Now *that* would be news.

    1. Re:Dog Clones Korean Scientist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think that would have made a good "Far Side" cartoon. Right after the dogs figure out how to work the doorknob.

  122. Re:Unless it was Jesus ... or Hitler by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Or Einstein

  123. Does this qualify as... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...GM food? Wow, they're going to be protested by religious fundamentalists, PETA, and anti-GM food people.

  124. Declare results to be delicious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    especially cloned dog with hot bean paste

  125. Re:There are those breeders who should be supporte by DigiShaman · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Oh please!! Fact is, nature is nature. As such, they will continue to breed and roam the wild which includes our cities. We might as well shelter "stray" birds and rodents while were at it.

    By default, all animals are unwanted when it comes to domestication. Breeding is nothing more then controlled domestication as seen fit by society. Regardless whether we breed animals or not, there will ALWAYS be a population of them in the wild.

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  126. Why not take it a step further? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... people that breed dogs when there are so many cats and dogs that are out on the streets and in shelters needing good homes. ...

    People, please spay or neuter your pets and don't allow your ego to perpetuate the suffering of homeless cats and dogs.


    I agree with that, but I take it one step further, and here's where it gets interesting: why are people still having children when there are so many homeless children in the world? If you adopted instead of having a natural child, you would not only by "saving" one child, but you'd also avoid putting another one in this world (or actually thousands, millions or billions, in the long run).

    I was wondering what the parent (poster) thinks of that. And I do seriously think like that.

    tmegapscm

  127. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 1

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  128. in korea (obg. joke) by thjayoromanov · · Score: 1

    in korea only old dogs get clonned

  129. Re:Dear Mods... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So the mods moderate this down as troll and offtopic, while modding up ethnic stereotypes as funny.

    Goes to show you that democracy can't prevent racism, discrimination and xenophobia when the majority of the population participates in those beliefs.

    Mod this down -1 Offtopic, Troll, or Flamebait

  130. Who cares? by Shihar · · Score: 1

    I hate to be an ass hole, but who cares? All sorts of animals are dying all the time. Countless cows are being slaughtered. Rats and mice are being exterminated. Cats are killing birds. I crushed a cockroach yesterday. Eh, if you have too many animals, especially of the domestic type, just put a few of them to sleep.

    Am I cruel and heartless? Eh, I would call it realistic. Animals are dying all the time, just because some animals are cute and furry doesn't mean that suddenly we need a moral crusade to save them. Honestly, the best evolutionary trait an animal can have these days is either being cute or tasty. Cats and cows will never go extinct.

  131. Research Research Research by Sitrucious · · Score: 1

    "The research purpose of the research is ostensibly to produce research animals and not for commercial purposes". Really the research purpose of the research was to produce research. I'll need to research this more but it sounds like good research.

  132. In North Korea... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...only old people clone dogs

  133. Sit Fido, Sit by Gamingboy · · Score: 1

    Sit Fido, sit... Wait a sec. Fido, I didn't know you had a identical twin! Wait a second, there's three of you! AHHH! TWO MANY FIDOES!

  134. more outrages than cloning a shakey's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    not for commercial purposes my butt. this is every Korean chefs dream!

      read up on Korean cuisine and maybe even do something about it: http://www.dogbiz.com/dont-eat-dog-meat.htm

  135. Those crazy asians... by Driving+Vertigo · · Score: 1

    Perhaps my old man wasn't too far off his nut when he said, "Leave it up to the Asians to make a drawn out and overly complicated renewable food source." ...or perhaps they found a particularly tasty canine and wished to mass produce it? I don't think McDonalds will like the hit to thier market share. Would anyone like a McLassie Value Meal? [homer]Mmmmmmm......Dog......[/homer]

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  136. who suk wang? by sl4shd0rk · · Score: 1

    For chrissakes, how do you pronounce that name, and does he get beat up a lot for it?

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  137. I have an idea for you by bezuwork's+friend · · Score: 1

    Why don't we just reeducate Americans to enjoy the taste of dog and cat? Lots of good protein going to waste there. We could just eat the unwanted animals. This would save the US from the horrors of wild dogs and cats and increase our food supply thus staving off starvation of the poor. Everybody wins. Well, except the dogs and cats, but the goverment puts them to sleep anyway.

    1. Re:I have an idea for you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They've been serving that stuff as Kung Pow Chicken for decades in Chinese restaurants.....

      Ever wondered why all rabbit carcasses in the Chinese markets have their heads left on?

  138. Dogs Today, Software Engineers Tommorrow by skeptictank · · Score: 1

    We all know how much difficulty they have reproducing, this will help keep the cost of software development down.

  139. Come on, this is obvious. by commodoresloat · · Score: 1

    In Korea only old dogs learn new tricks.

    1. Re:Come on, this is obvious. by Dr_Lox · · Score: 1

      In Korea only new dogs learn old tricks. Even though it's impossible even in theory I'd shure like one of those half dog, half alligator animals/creatures

  140. space-wasting moderation request by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    mod parent up and/or grandparent down until they are equal, please.

  141. it is a well known fact by t35t0r · · Score: 1

    ...that in South Korea, dog is a delicacy.

  142. Soon to appear in all korean supermarkets... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I can't believe it's cloned"-branded dog meat.

  143. What next? by sankyuu · · Score: 1
    1. Clone a dog.
    2. Kill the pooch.
    3. Bring it back to life.
    4. ???
    5. PROFIT!!!

    Zombie cloned dogs anyone? :-)

  144. Begun ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    this clone war has

  145. Hmmm... by WiKKeSH · · Score: 1

    Wonder what the original dog will think when he sniffs the clone's ass. ;)

    1. Re:Hmmm... by Yaotzin · · Score: 1

      "Mmm, ass..."?

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  146. Anyone notice it was done at a culunary institute? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mmmm.... Dog. Clone the best-tasting dog over and over and over

  147. Gimme a break! by Sephiro444 · · Score: 1

    Oh come on, people! Are you telling me the idea of genetically modified food is that new to you?!

  148. Front page quality (was:Department of Redund...) by ChrisZermatt · · Score: 1


    The research purpose of the research is ostensibly to produce research...

    Wow!

    Com'on guys -- I know the web/email is the place for horrid writing, but 2 seconds from one of the /. editors would stop this kind of textual diarrhea from making it on the front page (After the front page of /., all is fair game. I kind of like the mangled english on the individual posts -- entertainment!).

  149. You kick my dog! by Peter+Cooper · · Score: 1

    Well here's another one then.

  150. where to buy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Where can I buy a cloned dog? I don't want a regular dog, they just bark and need to be walked every day - what a pain. But a cloned dog can talk, watch TV, and use the toilet, and I will train it to clean the bathroom using its lasers. That's gonna RULE!

  151. I'm guessing... by petrus4 · · Score: 1

    ...that they still haven't solved the telemere/age problem; i.e., that if the original animal is an adult, the clone will be born with the same amount of time left to live as the adult original. I hope they solve that problem before they start seriously trying to clone humans...the result could be exactly the same problem that Rutger Hauer's character in Blade Runner had if they don't.

  152. Yummy ? by Azzhole · · Score: 0

    Those Koreans.. Cloned Bulgogi, " The first Korean made, cloned, frozen food"

  153. Brilliant by drtheman · · Score: 1

    2 for 1 dogs? im sure the local food economy is literally licking its lips.

  154. mmmmm. by drtheman · · Score: 1

    2 for 1 dogs? im sure the local food industry is literally licking its lips.

  155. research by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "The research purpose of the research is ostensibly to produce research..."

    research research, research research research ostensibly research research

  156. It is called humanity. by jotaeleemeese · · Score: 1

    Try it, you may find it fulfilling.

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  157. BINGO! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's an economics issue: Instead of raising a dog for food, it's more efficient to eat the food that you would feed the dog over its lifetime.

  158. The koreans can clone dogs... by ph4te · · Score: 0

    They'll never starve!!

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  159. But why clone the dumbest breed available? by whyde · · Score: 1
    Stanley Coren's book, The Intelligence Of Dogs, ranks the Afghan hound dead last in "working intelligence." Why would they choose such a breed, one has to wonder, as the first clone?

    "During initial training, these breeds (shih tzu, basset hound, mastiff, beagle, pekingese, bloodhound, borzoi, chow chow, bulldog, basenji, and Afghan hound) may need thirty or forty repetitions before they show the first inkling that they have a clue as to what is expected of them. It is not unusual for these dogs to require over a hundred reiterations of the basic practice activities, often spread over several training sessions, before any reliability is obtained. Even then, their performance may seem slow and unsteady. Once learning is achieved, practice sessions must be repeated a number of times; otherwise, the training seems to evaporate, and these dogs will behave as if they never learned the exercise in the first place."


    I suspect that a breed which is normally considered people-attentive would have been more controversial than one which consistently gives you the 1000-yard stare when you talk to it, in case things didn't go quite right.
  160. Correction ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "The purpose of this research is to produce cheap food^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hresearch animals, not domestic pets," the research team said in a statement. Continued ...

  161. Dogs are hard to clone. by museumpeace · · Score: 1
    so say the researchers who finally pulled this off. From the News@Nature article:
    He's also quite a survivor, being the only one of 1,095 cloned embryos implanted in 123 dogs to survive to healthy puppyhood.
    The human uterus does not gladly make litters as dogs do. Twins are already a strain. So instead of a 10-to-1 eggs-to-wombs ratio you might be looking at impregnating 500 women if your eggs-to-live births ratio is the same 1000:1 odds as dogs provide. Is anyone thinking about the heartbreak of 999 still births and the costs of 500 surrogate mothers that we would have to endure for one live human clone? [And humans, if anything, would have even worse odds of clone gestational success than dogs].

    Just want you all to keep this thing in perspective.
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  162. Why clone lunch by workitman · · Score: 1

    Why would they clone a dog. They are just going to eat it.