Why do they breed? why do they breed? Why do cows fucking breed?
To survive you ass hat.
In an era before western aid etc families had multiple children to ensure at least one of them would survive. Also, in the era without forced labour factories, more hands meant more food, more food meant more chance of survival. (unless of course you were female - but that problem was solvable)
Trying to tell a 3rd world country not to have children is like telling the west not to have a commercialized Christmas or not to use their cars.
They just wont listen without education and a staple diet. In many cases if 'THEY' stopped breeding then 'THEY' would stop existing... it might halt your problems but it certainly does not serve theirs.
While we are on the subject, why the fuck were you born? Do we REALLY need you? What contribution have YOU made to society? Saved someones life? Invented some fantastic new way to produce renewable energy? No? then STFU.
Sure, a well placed nuclear bomb would solve a lot of those 'problems' but would you like to be the one pushing the button? what if it was over your house?
pfftt all in a days work to you I guess... you've done it so often on your xbox against a faceless enemy.
using that logic you'd have ran out of original ideas YEARS ago...
Society advances by copying and improvising. Maybe that's why its restricted to governments and corporations? (takes conspiracy hat off)
Disney would be fuck all if it wasn't for copying..
Look at steamboat willie as a FANTASTIC example..
The music was a concept from something else The setting was taken from something else The fucking mouse was taken from something else
getting the picture yet?
The very thing that made Walt Disney who he is would be illegal now due to laws that his legacy have helped to enforce.
Fuck copyrights and patents. The internet has taken a SERIOUS turn for the worst since big media corps have gotten their mits on it and if they get their way within 10 years it wont be any better than fricking television.
reeeeeeeeeel..... one troll bagged:) thanks for playing
o.o sucks as an app:-| sadly it is all we linux users really have. Lotus symphony looks nice, but I just cant bring myself to use the old o.o codebase.
Break up MS and force them to compete fairly... petition MS office for linux now!... bleh its about the only MS application I have any respect left for.
We need more companies like Mozilla, regardless of themselves as a company their cross-platform applications have welcomed windows switchers to linux with open arms. Bring us Photoshop and a decent office package and we'd be sorted... what is corel doing these days? you'd think we'd see another release of word perfect for Linux, a perfect marriage (not suggesting its better than o.o but its still another choice at least)
and it was open sourced on the mac first I believe? the since the software was proprietary first I dont think that counts for the trolls open source bullshit
AND...
If everything is based on unix, then what the hell is the AC going on about? BSD, Solaris, NeXT and far many other companies have thrown stuff at the open source community... if some linux troll wishes to try and pretend just because it's on their platorm therefore it must be theirs then let them burn for it
and as an AC you do soooo well at justifying yourself...
What do you mean OpenOffice was Mac first? cant be right? I mean what OTHER linux app is more significant than O.O?
STFU and stop trolling, your whole argument is full of shit.. OSX has been out for less than 10 years, Linux has been out for almost 20 and Unix (dont get me started on how much you bitches have given back to unix) has been out since forever... and been 'taken' from for about just as long.
ONE point in your favour is that MAYBE those more inclined to develop for the mac would rather not do open source in the first place... maybe you should just be glad all of them dont feel that way.
how about vinevnc... oh wait, like we really need another 10 vnc client/servers or 20 ftp clients...
oh rEFIt ? wait.... what would you want with an efi bootloader
which is why it shouldnt be flat rate... then you know EXACTLY what you are paying for. In theory competition should then make it so you find an ISP with the capacity that you wish/can afford and then the isps find the true cost of their network.
and that's what they are scared of... competition? they've heard of it.
I moved from freedom2surf/tiscalli/pipex/vodafone whatever the fuck they want to call it this month from an 'unlimited' business account to a limited ADSL24 business account.
They SO badly started to suck my speedtest results werent even funny (I also managed to get bumped down to a home users upload speed and had to fight to get that back, which was the last straw) Fuck I was paying £70 a month for it.
Now... I download as much as I like, as fast as I can and I'm paying £30 a month less than I was before
is that not what they said about the ipod/iphone though? Apple never invented digital music... but they seem to have picked it up and ran away with it.
If there is an open source driver for linux, bsd it can be rewritten for osx
If there is not... there is always peer pressure:P
Apart from games I cant think of any application I'm missing from Windows and to go back to the point, most if not all the hardware anyone cares about will work on the mac.
CPU... Windows is PPC compatible right? GFX.... ATi/Nvidia/Intel we missing anyone? Memory.... generic etc hard disk... generic flash and magnetic Monitor... generic DVI
Its funny... OSX runs fine on my AMD Fx53... MS official SP3 can't even do that. It never saw my promise sata controller however:( I'll give you that one, but then neither does Vista/XP until I download the driver.
Win modems... I'll give you that one:) but hey you can keep em!
Walt disney webcams and scanners... well yeah that't a tricky one, but in past experience its not the OS that had problems, its the shitty quality hardware and drivers (see win modems) to begin with.
Microsoft cant seem to find the funding to keep 2k alpha or Itanium Vista in production... yet apple has with reasonable ease jumped what 4 completely different architectures in 12 years?
The days of the apple 'predetermined hardware' myth is over... I cant think of anything that wont run on OSX that runs fine on Vista
I agree with your point, but why do you believe Apple will *never* become the dominant player?
Apples sales are up what 53%? Microsoft (at least their investors) would love that ratio. If MS suddenly doesnt starting generating more return on investments they'll take their money somewhere more risky. Microsoft seems to be a big lumbering Sun or dare I say it SCO? right now without the litigation.
Microsoft to the masses is becoming renowned for spyware, malware and other grey area software... don't think I'm trolling with that remark, it may not be reality but that's who joe public is starting to perceive it. They are also trying too hard to be everything, whether its in productivity, operating systems, games and/or advertising.
TBH if Windows 7 isn't a run-away success like XP was then I could see MS falling slowly down the slope of irrelativity
For now, games are moving over to consoles in droves... why is it we need Windows again? Games, Office and Adobe.
To put it bluntly, Microsoft is in deep shit right now and they know it (hence all the branching out) now I'm not going to say Microsoft will disappear over night, they wont... but MS is not the powerhouse it used to be.
I'm no MS lover anymore... as can probably be assumed from my post. But when that whole anti-trust thing came up I was really hoping it would be split up into separate entities and forced to compete with each other.. Office, consoles/games and OS. At the time I thought that would be the most brutal damage you could do to the monolithic monster (especially considering out of everything else those three are their only real money making cashcows)
However, I think MS is floundering - the MS/yahoo deal showed that... I'm really not sure what the longterm future is for MS but for shareholders and the corporations better being I'm wondering it they would have performed better split up!
Does that not go against the whole 'windows in the home, windows in the workplace' rhetoric that keeps getting thrown about though?
I'm not saying you're wrong but ubuntu enterprise is hardly losing money, I'm just kinda nostalgic and sad I guess that Ubuntu is basking in the former 'linux' glory of the RedHat of yesteryear.
I do believe in different codebases for each application - different strokes for different folks and all that but going so far as to completely distance yourself from the free community just seems well -- greedy and possibly even suicidal!
people not in the know or dont need stability will go for ubuntu (5 years ago I'd have said RH) people in the know but dont need stability will go with ubuntu/fedora/suse/mandriva/slackware/ (insert fav distro here) people in the know and with their own support will go with centos and those that would prefer not to think about cost or are big enough to get cheaper services will go for RedHat/solaris/Suse/AIX...
A tiny bit of competitive pie for the biggest player.
I just don't understand why you think it makes perfect sense, it just smells like they are trying to do what Sun have done with OpenSolaris.
ahh well:-| I just like seeing competition in the OS space, having all these players (hell inc haiku) these days makes me smile.
So ubuntu desktop rules the roost because redhat forgot its roots? Would anyone go as far as to say Fedora according to RedHat is neither 'stable' and/or 'supported'?
Soo... quantaman, what is wrong with Fedora? Seems like an excuse to proprietise an OS without actually taking the code away from those that wrote it. If they just wanted to sell services, surely they'd just offer Fedora w/ paid support?
Again, I'm not trying to bait or flame here, been out the RH loop for a while and just curious really.
That's what I don't understand about the name change... unless RedHat intentionally wanted to re-brand Fedora as inferior. They couldn't block 'freeloaders' so make the *free* version seem inferior and suddenly 'poor' people would rather pirate RHEL, download centos or go to another distro.
Give people more credit, especially those trying Linux for the first time.
Redhat Consumer Desktop (don't like consumer, but how about 'Redhat Fedora Desktop' ?) Redhat Server Redhat Enterprise Server (LTS)
What's wrong with that? people don't stop buying desktops because they can afford racks. They buy desktops because they cater towards a consumers needs such as graphics rather than power/wattage p/ inch. OS's are the same... You want to download the enterprise server and likely half the functions you want/need will be disabled by default (and vice versa). You want fancy effects, media players and consumer featured stuff you buy the desktop...
Consumers = Server is inferior Enterprise = Desktop/workstation is inferior
No offence to fedora users (although admittedly I haven't used any rpm based distro in eons) but from my own perspective it would appear RH outsourced the 'consumer' market because they weren't getting any return and in doing so alienated by choice their own brand.
The Fedora Project is maintained and driven by the community and sponsored by Red Hat. This is a community maintained site. Red Hat is not responsible for content. "
JIMHO, and this is jimho, RedHat appears to have actively DILUTED their own desktop OS on purpose rather than avoid brand confusion.
I'm sure this has been a discussion beaten into the ground, but you did ask for me to elaborate. I have no disrespect for Fedora or its abilities as an OS but I dont believe RH could distance themselves any further without risking an 'unofficial' out of their control distro of Linux
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which part of the above post did I remotely mention gigabit internet? hmmm... lets see.. how about NONE ????
so your point is full of shit, some people do have internal networks.
adsl modem?
not all of us live in a cable world :( or would like multiple devices.
and no gigabit ethernet? wake me up when I can get a netgear adsl wireless n+ router with fricking gigabit ethernet!
open source or not I'd buy it :(
so is crossing the street in NYC ..
get over it, it's called life
Why do they breed? why do they breed? Why do cows fucking breed?
To survive you ass hat.
In an era before western aid etc families had multiple children to ensure at least one of them would survive. Also, in the era without forced labour factories, more hands meant more food, more food meant more chance of survival. (unless of course you were female - but that problem was solvable)
Trying to tell a 3rd world country not to have children is like telling the west not to have a commercialized Christmas or not to use their cars.
They just wont listen without education and a staple diet. In many cases if 'THEY' stopped breeding then 'THEY' would stop existing... it might halt your problems but it certainly does not serve theirs.
While we are on the subject, why the fuck were you born? Do we REALLY need you? What contribution have YOU made to society? Saved someones life? Invented some fantastic new way to produce renewable energy? No? then STFU.
Sure, a well placed nuclear bomb would solve a lot of those 'problems' but would you like to be the one pushing the button? what if it was over your house?
pfftt all in a days work to you I guess... you've done it so often on your xbox against a faceless enemy.
and from what I remember the shaver keeps missing the 4 ovens...
I have confidence, really :)
that is pretty much my point...
without copying, there is no disney... yet disney are the ones pushing perpetual copyright the hardest
using that logic you'd have ran out of original ideas YEARS ago...
Society advances by copying and improvising. Maybe that's why its restricted to governments and corporations? (takes conspiracy hat off)
Disney would be fuck all if it wasn't for copying..
Look at steamboat willie as a FANTASTIC example..
The music was a concept from something else
The setting was taken from something else
The fucking mouse was taken from something else
getting the picture yet?
The very thing that made Walt Disney who he is would be illegal now due to laws that his legacy have helped to enforce.
Fuck copyrights and patents. The internet has taken a SERIOUS turn for the worst since big media corps have gotten their mits on it and if they get their way within 10 years it wont be any better than fricking television.
xbox 360 turns a profit - JUST
still got a while to pay back for the original xbox sink hole
reeeeeeeeeel..... one troll bagged :) thanks for playing
:-| sadly it is all we linux users really have. Lotus symphony looks nice, but I just cant bring myself to use the old o.o codebase.
... bleh its about the only MS application I have any respect left for.
:-| until then I have my mac.
o.o sucks as an app
Break up MS and force them to compete fairly... petition MS office for linux now!
We need more companies like Mozilla, regardless of themselves as a company their cross-platform applications have welcomed windows switchers to linux with open arms. Bring us Photoshop and a decent office package and we'd be sorted... what is corel doing these days? you'd think we'd see another release of word perfect for Linux, a perfect marriage (not suggesting its better than o.o but its still another choice at least)
bleh, even serif! http://www.serif.com/store/index.asp
I can dream with tearful eyes
and it was open sourced on the mac first I believe? the since the software was proprietary first I dont think that counts for the trolls open source bullshit
...
AND
If everything is based on unix, then what the hell is the AC going on about? BSD, Solaris, NeXT and far many other companies have thrown stuff at the open source community... if some linux troll wishes to try and pretend just because it's on their platorm therefore it must be theirs then let them burn for it
and as an AC you do soooo well at justifying yourself...
... oh wait, like we really need another 10 vnc client/servers or 20 ftp clients...
What do you mean OpenOffice was Mac first? cant be right? I mean what OTHER linux app is more significant than O.O?
STFU and stop trolling, your whole argument is full of shit.. OSX has been out for less than 10 years, Linux has been out for almost 20 and Unix (dont get me started on how much you bitches have given back to unix) has been out since forever... and been 'taken' from for about just as long.
ONE point in your favour is that MAYBE those more inclined to develop for the mac would rather not do open source in the first place... maybe you should just be glad all of them dont feel that way.
how about vinevnc
oh rEFIt ? wait.... what would you want with an efi bootloader
which is why it shouldnt be flat rate... then you know EXACTLY what you are paying for. In theory competition should then make it so you find an ISP with the capacity that you wish/can afford and then the isps find the true cost of their network.
In theory... without monopoly.
and that's what they are scared of... competition? they've heard of it.
:D
I moved from freedom2surf/tiscalli/pipex/vodafone whatever the fuck they want to call it this month from an 'unlimited' business account to a limited ADSL24 business account.
They SO badly started to suck my speedtest results werent even funny (I also managed to get bumped down to a home users upload speed and had to fight to get that back, which was the last straw) Fuck I was paying £70 a month for it.
Now... I download as much as I like, as fast as I can and I'm paying £30 a month less than I was before
Period: 20/04/2008 - 19/05/2008
PEAK and OFF-PEAK USED
Peak download: 18.44 GB
Off-peak download: 22.43 GB
Peak upload: 13.96 GB
Off-peak upload: 17.59 GB
TOTAL USED
Peak: 32.41 GB
Off-peak: 40.02 GB
TOTAL REMAINING
Peak: 102.59 GB
Off-peak: 319.98 GB
Long live ADSL24
well said sir, wish I had mod points :-/
I agree....
XP SP1 or SP2 was a good solid OS
Actually so was Win 98SE
Just proves MS cant do anything right first time
but DOS was better than 3.1 ...
oooooh that was quick.. /marks that one off the list/
shall we have a pool as to what will be next?
(and yes I know powershell was released as an addon)
is that not what they said about the ipod/iphone though? Apple never invented digital music... but they seem to have picked it up and ran away with it.
and that invalidates my point how?
:P
If there is an open source driver for linux, bsd it can be rewritten for osx
If there is not... there is always peer pressure
Apart from games I cant think of any application I'm missing from Windows and to go back to the point, most if not all the hardware anyone cares about will work on the mac.
huh? chipset yes..
.... ATi/Nvidia/Intel we missing anyone? .... generic etc ... generic DVI
:( I'll give you that one, but then neither does Vista/XP until I download the driver.
:) but hey you can keep em!
CPU... Windows is PPC compatible right?
GFX
Memory
hard disk... generic flash and magnetic
Monitor
Its funny... OSX runs fine on my AMD Fx53... MS official SP3 can't even do that. It never saw my promise sata controller however
Win modems... I'll give you that one
Walt disney webcams and scanners... well yeah that't a tricky one, but in past experience its not the OS that had problems, its the shitty quality hardware and drivers (see win modems) to begin with.
Microsoft cant seem to find the funding to keep 2k alpha or Itanium Vista in production... yet apple has with reasonable ease jumped what 4 completely different architectures in 12 years?
The days of the apple 'predetermined hardware' myth is over... I cant think of anything that wont run on OSX that runs fine on Vista
I agree with your point, but why do you believe Apple will *never* become the dominant player?
Apples sales are up what 53%? Microsoft (at least their investors) would love that ratio. If MS suddenly doesnt starting generating more return on investments they'll take their money somewhere more risky. Microsoft seems to be a big lumbering Sun or dare I say it SCO? right now without the litigation.
Microsoft to the masses is becoming renowned for spyware, malware and other grey area software... don't think I'm trolling with that remark, it may not be reality but that's who joe public is starting to perceive it. They are also trying too hard to be everything, whether its in productivity, operating systems, games and/or advertising.
TBH if Windows 7 isn't a run-away success like XP was then I could see MS falling slowly down the slope of irrelativity
For now, games are moving over to consoles in droves... why is it we need Windows again? Games, Office and Adobe.
To put it bluntly, Microsoft is in deep shit right now and they know it (hence all the branching out) now I'm not going to say Microsoft will disappear over night, they wont... but MS is not the powerhouse it used to be.
I'm no MS lover anymore... as can probably be assumed from my post. But when that whole anti-trust thing came up I was really hoping it would be split up into separate entities and forced to compete with each other.. Office, consoles/games and OS. At the time I thought that would be the most brutal damage you could do to the monolithic monster (especially considering out of everything else those three are their only real money making cashcows)
However, I think MS is floundering - the MS/yahoo deal showed that... I'm really not sure what the longterm future is for MS but for shareholders and the corporations better being I'm wondering it they would have performed better split up!
Does that not go against the whole 'windows in the home, windows in the workplace' rhetoric that keeps getting thrown about though?
:-| I just like seeing competition in the OS space, having all these players (hell inc haiku) these days makes me smile.
I'm not saying you're wrong but ubuntu enterprise is hardly losing money, I'm just kinda nostalgic and sad I guess that Ubuntu is basking in the former 'linux' glory of the RedHat of yesteryear.
I do believe in different codebases for each application - different strokes for different folks and all that but going so far as to completely distance yourself from the free community just seems well -- greedy and possibly even suicidal!
people not in the know or dont need stability will go for ubuntu (5 years ago I'd have said RH)
people in the know but dont need stability will go with ubuntu/fedora/suse/mandriva/slackware/ (insert fav distro here)
people in the know and with their own support will go with centos
and those that would prefer not to think about cost or are big enough to get cheaper services will go for RedHat/solaris/Suse/AIX...
A tiny bit of competitive pie for the biggest player.
I just don't understand why you think it makes perfect sense, it just smells like they are trying to do what Sun have done with OpenSolaris.
ahh well
So ubuntu desktop rules the roost because redhat forgot its roots? Would anyone go as far as to say Fedora according to RedHat is neither 'stable' and/or 'supported'?
I just found this, haven't been on the RH site for a number of years
http://www.redhat.com/rhel/desktop/
Soo... quantaman, what is wrong with Fedora? Seems like an excuse to proprietise an OS without actually taking the code away from those that wrote it. If they just wanted to sell services, surely they'd just offer Fedora w/ paid support?
Again, I'm not trying to bait or flame here, been out the RH loop for a while and just curious really.
That's what I don't understand about the name change... unless RedHat intentionally wanted to re-brand Fedora as inferior. They couldn't block 'freeloaders' so make the *free* version seem inferior and suddenly 'poor' people would rather pirate RHEL, download centos or go to another distro.
Give people more credit, especially those trying Linux for the first time.
Redhat Consumer Desktop (don't like consumer, but how about 'Redhat Fedora Desktop' ?)
Redhat Server
Redhat Enterprise Server (LTS)
What's wrong with that? people don't stop buying desktops because they can afford racks. They buy desktops because they cater towards a consumers needs such as graphics rather than power/wattage p/ inch. OS's are the same... You want to download the enterprise server and likely half the functions you want/need will be disabled by default (and vice versa). You want fancy effects, media players and consumer featured stuff you buy the desktop...
Consumers = Server is inferior
Enterprise = Desktop/workstation is inferior
No offence to fedora users (although admittedly I haven't used any rpm based distro in eons) but from my own perspective it would appear RH outsourced the 'consumer' market because they weren't getting any return and in doing so alienated by choice their own brand.
Look at this site:
http://fedoraproject.org/
and then look right down at the very bottom of the page, just squint your eyes:
"
Copyright © 2008 Red Hat, Inc. and others. All Rights Reserved. Please send any comments or corrections to the websites team.
The Fedora Project is maintained and driven by the community and sponsored by Red Hat. This is a community maintained site. Red Hat is not responsible for content.
"
JIMHO, and this is jimho, RedHat appears to have actively DILUTED their own desktop OS on purpose rather than avoid brand confusion.
I'm sure this has been a discussion beaten into the ground, but you did ask for me to elaborate. I have no disrespect for Fedora or its abilities as an OS but I dont believe RH could distance themselves any further without risking an 'unofficial' out of their control distro of Linux