This is because Windows 2000 does not have it and they are expecting to move people off of the 9x architecture into Win2K very soon. They want the transition to move as smooth as possible.
Really. I can boot both of my win2k machines to a command line. When is the last time you actually used Win2k? Judging from the criticism I hear on here regarding win2k, I would assume that most of you have never run win2k. It is fast and stable, easy to configure, very compatible with win9x software (at least if it was programmed correctly, i.e. is directx installed, not if NT is the OS, then it won't run), and flexible. I even have a win2k machine acting as a gateway for my linux boxen on my home network. Hell, I even nicely run redhat 6.2 in a vm under windows 2k and have had no problems.
How about a script that grabs the xml file every half hour, parses the headlines, gets only the new ones and mails them to a distro list, this way you can get the headlines on your cellphone or pager (with text messaging) and just hit the website when you get near your computer. I own a palm, but have no real interest in hooking it up to the net for browsing, but being alerted of new headlines for/. would be great. If I had a box that was connected 24x7 I'd throw a quick perl script together and set it to run as a cron every 30 minutes......Any one got a box out there that's on 24x7 and can handle what I'm sure would quickly become a huge mailing list of people interested in receiving/. headlines via cell or pager? better yet, anyone know got a place that will host for next to nothing with cgi access and unlimited bandwidth?
So is the idea that children grow up and when they hit the age of majority, be in 18 or 21, THEY decide at that point if they wish to follow the laws and rules of society or not?
What if they choose not to follow those rules? What is I decide that society's rues regarding murder, theft, or anything else just should not apply to me because I don't agree with them? What happens to this person? We don't prosecute them right? Sounds all well and good.
I choose not to follow society's rules. They do not apply to me. I have decided that killing someone close to you is something I want to do. What do you have to say about it? Isn't it my "right" to choose not to follow those rules by your own logic?
Think these things through. If adherence to the laws and rules of a society in general is somthing that is purely personal, what happens to mankind in general?
If you want to think of it this way, feel free......no, you do not have to follow those rules, you can decide that you wish to live outside of them....Realize, however, that those rules are usually put in place either by the majority directly or by proxy (representative government, which, if we really don't agree, can be changed). You don't have to live by the rules that the society has put in place, but realize that if you wish to remove yourself from socity, you will be removed from society and put someplace else.....we call it prison
OK....I know I'm going to get flamed for this, but please, read, stop and think before doing so.
All societies work because the members of the society agree, either explicitly or implicitly to follow the rules of that society. A person's "rights" are often compromised to achieve this goal. There must be compromise for the civility of the society in general. This is not a bad thing folks. It is what stops society from being survival of the fittest. American society is far from perfect, but it does a fairly decent job at it, at least better than a lot of them out there.
This being said, realize that when a member of society chooses not to abide by the rules of that society, that society needs to censure them. They are criminals, and loose many of what we consider to be "rights" They have chosen to live outside of the society and their wish to be outside comes true, they are stripped of some of the rights and privileges that the greater society allows its members. This is not a bad thing either folks. Its part of the deterrent factor. It might not work in all cases, hell it might not work in the majority of cases, but it does work in some.
Ragardless of what you personally think of Mitnik, realize this, he was a criminal. He violated the rules of society. He choose to live outside the rules and believed that his "rights" superceeded yours and mine and those of the rest of society. For this he NEEDS and DESERVES to be punished.
The purpose of punishment folks is to hurt the person who offended. This is/was the meaning of the penal system, the PENALIZE those who break the rules of society, and just like when you were a child, and your parents grounded you, something important must be taken away to accomploish this goal. In the case of Mitnik, its access to computers and electronic devices.
The fact that he is out of probation at all is not his right, it is a provilege that comes with a condition, the condition that he follow society's rules (the terms imposed by his probation) Look at this as a way for him to attempt to show that he can.) If he can not follow the rules imposed by society (or by the courts in proxy for society) then he should be back in prison. He has already been afforded more than his rights demand. If he or anyone else wants to claim that his rights have been violated, then send him back to prison, where he no longer gets the opportunity to proove that he can live within society's guidelines.
Those are the two options, don't talk about his rights...... He voluntarily signed those away, by choosing not to follow society's rules. It was a gamble and he lost. Now its time to pay the debt. Considering all things, he is being given the opportunity to pay part of that debt in a much more relaxed way than it could have been. He should be thankful for the opportunity, and those who support him should be glad he was given the opportunity to proove he can once again exist within society and follow its rules rather than serving more prison time. Not griping about it.
open that command prompt up full screen and other than the driveletter and : at the beginning when I type pwd and I can hardly tell the difference
Also, keep in mind, I am not talking about windows 95/98/or NT, I'm talking about using win2k, which, since most of you hate MS so much you will never admit, is actually quite nice. Other than during a few games, The lockups are gone.
If you want the syntax highlighting, ability to define functions to compile and run the program directy, nice sets of macros, clip libraries, sorting, spell checking, file comparisons and regular expression search/replace within a windows editor (and yes it has line numbering) try Textpad. Its a little shareware editor for windows that I use exclusively. I even converted a vi user to textpad (at least when he's on windows, though he still uses vi under linux) and trust me, that's hard to do.
Linux has gotten large enough that the community now has a decision to make, and its not going to be an easy one. They have 2 basic choices, and I'm not sure that the community will be happy with either one.
First Choice: Linux is the defacto Geek operating system, not intended for the average user. Fine for the technically savvy, but for the average user, just not worth it.
Outcome The average user will just use Windows, much as they have been doing. Linux will be perceived as what it is.....something for the IT people to use and for the Geeks to use, but not for them. What does this mean to the community.... It means Windows will continue to lead in software availability. it means that windows will continue to lead in numbers. like it or not folks, when someone holds the largest share of the market, THEY ARE THE STANDARD. You can yell all you want, written standards don't really mean a damned thing. If Windows = 90% of the market and Windows does it one way, forget what is written or recommended by whom, the remaining 10% are the ones who are different, the "non-standard". Basically it comes down to this. Linux stays a geek operating system, then feel free to maintain your air of superiority regarding your OS of choice, but DO NOT EXPECT THE WORLD TO CHANGE TO MEET YOUR NEEDS. IT WILL NOT HAPPEN.
Second Choice: Linux goes mainstream. Changes are made to make it configurable by Joe Average and intuitive for Jane Q. Public to use.
Outcome Linux development projects need to have human interface and GUI specialists working on them, not just programmers. Not producing what programmers and geeks think is cool. Not producing something that you configure to do what you want. It needs a CONSISTENT GUI that the community gets behind and supports, be it based on GTK or QT. It is not enough to say "It might not have 100% of the features, but its free". Who cares. The average user does nto pay for the QT lisence. They do not care. They want a systemt aht works, period. they want one that is familiar and intuitive. They want one that is easy to learn and requires little or no configuration just to get "up and running". This means in places "dumbing things down" if you are a true power user, there is always the CLI and there will always be projects like GNOME, but the average user wants to turn the machine on and have it work. and if they ever do have to install something. They want to put the disc in, click something and the next thing they know, they are running their program.
Now....everyone here can say that these people should learn to use a computer. That is not the attitude that is going to get anywhere. If they are required to learn to edit the conf files to make something work (even if it is customizable) and if this is not the same as when they get to work, they will use something that is, namely Windows, and once again, you are back to scenario one.
The choice is for the community to make. scenario one = status quo, scenario 2 at least allows the Linux community to set the standards for a while, and still allows for the flexibility for the power users and geeks to do what they want with their box.
If scenario two is going to happen....who is going to bring this about? Will the geeks of the world code simplified, dumbed down versions fo software for Joe Average. No. They are going to write software that fits their mindset. The folks who are going to write software "For the Masses" are going to be commercial businesses. If they can latch on to existing projects that are already headed in that direction and try to help out, they will. It only makes sense.
Basically the community needs to wake up. Realize that you CAN NOT be elitist, maintain that by making your world so hard to enter, and then expect the rest of the world to see your superiority and want to be you at all costs. Again. This will nto happen. You want a linux world???? make a linux the world can use, or at least support those who are trying
actually, as stated before, asp pages that contain no asp code are processed nearly as fast as static html pages under IIS 5.0. The added advantage to using strictly asp pages is session management. I have done a few projects where, at times, static html was sufficient, but the user might be viewing those static pages for quite some time and the session may timeout. when they request an asp, the session timeout is restarted. Yes, you could set the timeout higher, but then you run into resource allocation issues for folks who really are not there anymore as opposed to those who are merely reading other content. with IIS processing pages that contain no asp code at nearly the same speed as regular html pages, there is very little downside to using only.asp, and a big plus to doint it
As much as I hate to admit it (because of who makes it), perhaps one of the best programs I have found to this type of monitoring is Network Associates Uninstaller 5. It detects the launch of 95% of installers, and if it doesn't you can launch it manually.
It snapshots your registry before an install, and when the installation is done, it snapshots it again and stores the differences for you to examine (if you know what you are looking for) and backout of you don't like.
Aside from that wonderful bit of functionality, it actually creates transport files of installed software that can be transported to another machine and then exploded there to duplicate the install. Try doing that with most windows programs
All in all, if you have to use windows, might as well assemble a few tools to make your life easier and more secure. This is definitely a good one, and cheap
Probably the same uninteresting demo I saw. The idea is neat, but will always be marred in my mind by the fact that the first place I ever saw use it was AMWAY's online arm
For a certain segment of the population, yes it will. Most of the folks I know at this point own at least one computer in their house. About half of them use at least one of those machines primary for checking email and browsing the web (one of my three is primarily used by my wife and our neighbour to check email and browse the web). For these folks it will replace the computer.
Even with the advent of $500 computers, they still take up space and are slightly more expensive than the PSX2, which just might be enough incentive for those folks who want to check email and browse to buy a game machine for that instead of a computer, even if they have no real interest in games. The price point of the PSX2 will make it competition for even webTV+. With the ability to play a game, IF you wanted to, it might even steal some of the webTV market.
Like it or not folks, the people like us (slashdot readers, while not all power-users, are at usually at least competent computer users) are a smaller and smaller percentage of the computer market today, and growing smaller day by day. The Grandparents and aunts and uncles who used to call us to figure out how to program their VCRs are getting computers today so they can get in on this "internet thing". The PSX2 is a viable alternative for a LARGE number of these new users.
My father told me recently that he was considering getting a computer so that he could surf the web and send and receive email. This is the same man who had to have me go to his house to show him how to hook up his home entertainment center. Do I really want to answer phone calls and explain to him how to set up/configure his computer and keep it running? Need you ask. I'd be crazy to tell him to get a computer. If WebTV were a bit more mature I just might consider recommending one to him, though even I, a gadget freak, would be hesitent to recommend a one trick pony like that. If PSX2 is capable of doing all the things that have been talked about. I'd tell him to buy one. I'd tell my grandmother to buy one (and her VCR still blinks 12:00)
The point is that PSX2 will be a valid replacement the PC, but not for everyone. It will never breplace a general purpose computer for those who need the versatility, but the number of people who really use the versatility and power of the computer they have is shrinking daily.
I'll give up my comptuer when they pry my cold dead fingers from the keyboard and many of you will agree, but we are a shrinking market folks
m&m office furniture makes one of these that you put together yourself. Can be configured as a stright line desk , or corner unit that is actually quite spacious. Office Depot sells it for about $100. Not truly attractive, but ergonically, I'll admit, Its a good height and the keyboard adjustment is quite nice
Personally, I don't find a problem with the performance of my ATI Fury 32. I bought it because it had MPEG motion compensation and TV out and 32 megs of video ram, I've kept it because its fast enough for me, though I sort of hedged my bets by adding a voodoo 2 daughter card (passthrough) for those games when I really want it. The combo of the fury for 2d and some 3d stuff (especially some of the better GL software) and voodoo when I need it for certain games makes a pretty formidable video subsystem. Now, if I could only get X to work with the Fury 32 I wouldn't be wasting a PIII/500 with 256 Megs of Ram on wind*ws;-)
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Really. I can boot both of my win2k machines to a command line. When is the last time you actually used Win2k? Judging from the criticism I hear on here regarding win2k, I would assume that most of you have never run win2k. It is fast and stable, easy to configure, very compatible with win9x software (at least if it was programmed correctly, i.e. is directx installed, not if NT is the OS, then it won't run), and flexible. I even have a win2k machine acting as a gateway for my linux boxen on my home network. Hell, I even nicely run redhat 6.2 in a vm under windows 2k and have had no problems.
How about a script that grabs the xml file every half hour, parses the headlines, gets only the new ones and mails them to a distro list, this way you can get the headlines on your cellphone or pager (with text messaging) and just hit the website when you get near your computer. I own a palm, but have no real interest in hooking it up to the net for browsing, but being alerted of new headlines for /. would be great. If I had a box that was connected 24x7 I'd throw a quick perl script together and set it to run as a cron every 30 minutes......Any one got a box out there that's on 24x7 and can handle what I'm sure would quickly become a huge mailing list of people interested in receiving /. headlines via cell or pager? better yet, anyone know got a place that will host for next to nothing with cgi access and unlimited bandwidth?
So is the idea that children grow up and when they hit the age of majority, be in 18 or 21, THEY decide at that point if they wish to follow the laws and rules of society or not?
What if they choose not to follow those rules? What is I decide that society's rues regarding murder, theft, or anything else just should not apply to me because I don't agree with them? What happens to this person? We don't prosecute them right? Sounds all well and good.
I choose not to follow society's rules. They do not apply to me. I have decided that killing someone close to you is something I want to do. What do you have to say about it? Isn't it my "right" to choose not to follow those rules by your own logic?
Think these things through. If adherence to the laws and rules of a society in general is somthing that is purely personal, what happens to mankind in general?
If you want to think of it this way, feel free......no, you do not have to follow those rules, you can decide that you wish to live outside of them....Realize, however, that those rules are usually put in place either by the majority directly or by proxy (representative government, which, if we really don't agree, can be changed). You don't have to live by the rules that the society has put in place, but realize that if you wish to remove yourself from socity, you will be removed from society and put someplace else.....we call it prison
OK....I know I'm going to get flamed for this, but please, read, stop and think before doing so.
All societies work because the members of the society agree, either explicitly or implicitly to follow the rules of that society. A person's "rights" are often compromised to achieve this goal. There must be compromise for the civility of the society in general. This is not a bad thing folks. It is what stops society from being survival of the fittest. American society is far from perfect, but it does a fairly decent job at it, at least better than a lot of them out there.
This being said, realize that when a member of society chooses not to abide by the rules of that society, that society needs to censure them. They are criminals, and loose many of what we consider to be "rights" They have chosen to live outside of the society and their wish to be outside comes true, they are stripped of some of the rights and privileges that the greater society allows its members. This is not a bad thing either folks. Its part of the deterrent factor. It might not work in all cases, hell it might not work in the majority of cases, but it does work in some.
Ragardless of what you personally think of Mitnik, realize this, he was a criminal. He violated the rules of society. He choose to live outside the rules and believed that his "rights" superceeded yours and mine and those of the rest of society. For this he NEEDS and DESERVES to be punished.
The purpose of punishment folks is to hurt the person who offended. This is/was the meaning of the penal system, the PENALIZE those who break the rules of society, and just like when you were a child, and your parents grounded you, something important must be taken away to accomploish this goal. In the case of Mitnik, its access to computers and electronic devices.
The fact that he is out of probation at all is not his right, it is a provilege that comes with a condition, the condition that he follow society's rules (the terms imposed by his probation) Look at this as a way for him to attempt to show that he can.) If he can not follow the rules imposed by society (or by the courts in proxy for society) then he should be back in prison. He has already been afforded more than his rights demand. If he or anyone else wants to claim that his rights have been violated, then send him back to prison, where he no longer gets the opportunity to proove that he can live within society's guidelines.
Those are the two options, don't talk about his rights...... He voluntarily signed those away, by choosing not to follow society's rules. It was a gamble and he lost. Now its time to pay the debt. Considering all things, he is being given the opportunity to pay part of that debt in a much more relaxed way than it could have been. He should be thankful for the opportunity, and those who support him should be glad he was given the opportunity to proove he can once again exist within society and follow its rules rather than serving more prison time. Not griping about it.
open that command prompt up full screen and other than the driveletter and : at the beginning when I type pwd and I can hardly tell the difference
Also, keep in mind, I am not talking about windows 95/98/or NT, I'm talking about using win2k, which, since most of you hate MS so much you will never admit, is actually quite nice. Other than during a few games, The lockups are gone.
If you want the syntax highlighting, ability to define functions to compile and run the program directy, nice sets of macros, clip libraries, sorting, spell checking, file comparisons and regular expression search/replace within a windows editor (and yes it has line numbering) try Textpad. Its a little shareware editor for windows that I use exclusively. I even converted a vi user to textpad (at least when he's on windows, though he still uses vi under linux) and trust me, that's hard to do.
Have you tried Mortice kern Systems Toolkit under Windows. Open up a command prompt, type "sh" and your in the Korne shell, will be almost like home.
First Choice: Linux is the defacto Geek operating system, not intended for the average user. Fine for the technically savvy, but for the average user, just not worth it.
Outcome The average user will just use Windows, much as they have been doing. Linux will be perceived as what it is.....something for the IT people to use and for the Geeks to use, but not for them. What does this mean to the community.... It means Windows will continue to lead in software availability. it means that windows will continue to lead in numbers. like it or not folks, when someone holds the largest share of the market, THEY ARE THE STANDARD. You can yell all you want, written standards don't really mean a damned thing. If Windows = 90% of the market and Windows does it one way, forget what is written or recommended by whom, the remaining 10% are the ones who are different, the "non-standard". Basically it comes down to this. Linux stays a geek operating system, then feel free to maintain your air of superiority regarding your OS of choice, but DO NOT EXPECT THE WORLD TO CHANGE TO MEET YOUR NEEDS. IT WILL NOT HAPPEN.
Second Choice: Linux goes mainstream. Changes are made to make it configurable by Joe Average and intuitive for Jane Q. Public to use.
Outcome Linux development projects need to have human interface and GUI specialists working on them, not just programmers. Not producing what programmers and geeks think is cool. Not producing something that you configure to do what you want. It needs a CONSISTENT GUI that the community gets behind and supports, be it based on GTK or QT. It is not enough to say "It might not have 100% of the features, but its free". Who cares. The average user does nto pay for the QT lisence. They do not care. They want a systemt aht works, period. they want one that is familiar and intuitive. They want one that is easy to learn and requires little or no configuration just to get "up and running". This means in places "dumbing things down" if you are a true power user, there is always the CLI and there will always be projects like GNOME, but the average user wants to turn the machine on and have it work. and if they ever do have to install something. They want to put the disc in, click something and the next thing they know, they are running their program.
Now....everyone here can say that these people should learn to use a computer. That is not the attitude that is going to get anywhere. If they are required to learn to edit the conf files to make something work (even if it is customizable) and if this is not the same as when they get to work, they will use something that is, namely Windows, and once again, you are back to scenario one.
The choice is for the community to make. scenario one = status quo, scenario 2 at least allows the Linux community to set the standards for a while, and still allows for the flexibility for the power users and geeks to do what they want with their box.
If scenario two is going to happen....who is going to bring this about? Will the geeks of the world code simplified, dumbed down versions fo software for Joe Average. No. They are going to write software that fits their mindset. The folks who are going to write software "For the Masses" are going to be commercial businesses. If they can latch on to existing projects that are already headed in that direction and try to help out, they will. It only makes sense.
Basically the community needs to wake up. Realize that you CAN NOT be elitist, maintain that by making your world so hard to enter, and then expect the rest of the world to see your superiority and want to be you at all costs. Again. This will nto happen. You want a linux world???? make a linux the world can use, or at least support those who are trying
actually, as stated before, asp pages that contain no asp code are processed nearly as fast as static html pages under IIS 5.0. The added advantage to using strictly asp pages is session management. I have done a few projects where, at times, static html was sufficient, but the user might be viewing those static pages for quite some time and the session may timeout. when they request an asp, the session timeout is restarted. Yes, you could set the timeout higher, but then you run into resource allocation issues for folks who really are not there anymore as opposed to those who are merely reading other content. with IIS processing pages that contain no asp code at nearly the same speed as regular html pages, there is very little downside to using only .asp, and a big plus to doint it
As much as I hate to admit it (because of who makes it), perhaps one of the best programs I have found to this type of monitoring is Network Associates Uninstaller 5. It detects the launch of 95% of installers, and if it doesn't you can launch it manually.
It snapshots your registry before an install, and when the installation is done, it snapshots it again and stores the differences for you to examine (if you know what you are looking for) and backout of you don't like.
Aside from that wonderful bit of functionality, it actually creates transport files of installed software that can be transported to another machine and then exploded there to duplicate the install. Try doing that with most windows programs
All in all, if you have to use windows, might as well assemble a few tools to make your life easier and more secure. This is definitely a good one, and cheap
Probably the same uninteresting demo I saw. The idea is neat, but will always be marred in my mind by the fact that the first place I ever saw use it was AMWAY's online arm
For a certain segment of the population, yes it will. Most of the folks I know at this point own at least one computer in their house. About half of them use at least one of those machines primary for checking email and browsing the web (one of my three is primarily used by my wife and our neighbour to check email and browse the web). For these folks it will replace the computer.
Even with the advent of $500 computers, they still take up space and are slightly more expensive than the PSX2, which just might be enough incentive for those folks who want to check email and browse to buy a game machine for that instead of a computer, even if they have no real interest in games. The price point of the PSX2 will make it competition for even webTV+. With the ability to play a game, IF you wanted to, it might even steal some of the webTV market.
Like it or not folks, the people like us (slashdot readers, while not all power-users, are at usually at least competent computer users) are a smaller and smaller percentage of the computer market today, and growing smaller day by day. The Grandparents and aunts and uncles who used to call us to figure out how to program their VCRs are getting computers today so they can get in on this "internet thing". The PSX2 is a viable alternative for a LARGE number of these new users.
My father told me recently that he was considering getting a computer so that he could surf the web and send and receive email. This is the same man who had to have me go to his house to show him how to hook up his home entertainment center. Do I really want to answer phone calls and explain to him how to set up/configure his computer and keep it running? Need you ask. I'd be crazy to tell him to get a computer. If WebTV were a bit more mature I just might consider recommending one to him, though even I, a gadget freak, would be hesitent to recommend a one trick pony like that. If PSX2 is capable of doing all the things that have been talked about. I'd tell him to buy one. I'd tell my grandmother to buy one (and her VCR still blinks 12:00)
The point is that PSX2 will be a valid replacement the PC, but not for everyone. It will
never breplace a general purpose computer for those who need the versatility, but the number of people who really use the versatility and power of the computer they have is shrinking daily.
I'll give up my comptuer when they pry my cold dead fingers from the keyboard and many of you will agree, but we are a shrinking market folks
just my $.02
m&m office furniture makes one of these that you put together yourself. Can be configured as a stright line desk , or corner unit that is actually quite spacious. Office Depot sells it for about $100. Not truly attractive, but ergonically, I'll admit, Its a good height and the keyboard adjustment is quite nice
Personally, I don't find a problem with the performance of my ATI Fury 32. I bought it because it had MPEG motion compensation and TV out and 32 megs of video ram, I've kept it because its fast enough for me, though I sort of hedged my bets by adding a voodoo 2 daughter card (passthrough) for those games when I really want it. The combo of the fury for 2d and some 3d stuff (especially some of the better GL software) and voodoo when I need it for certain games makes a pretty formidable video subsystem. Now, if I could only get X to work with the Fury 32 I wouldn't be wasting a PIII/500 with 256 Megs of Ram on wind*ws ;-)