Slashdot Mirror
Webclipping Slashdot for Palm VII
Patrick 'CaptTofu' Galbraith has completed a palm interface to
Slashdot that you can access from
this location if you're using the Palm VII's Web Clippings. Feel free to send him
thanks/bugs/suggestions/feraris if you're moved to. Update: 07/29 12:15 AM by CT : Avantgo users could try
this URL and consider deprecating the old use of light more.
If you want easy, painless wireless get the PalmVII (or wait for the newer PalmVIIx - it will have 8MB of RAM instead of just 2MB) If you want fast, truly tcp/ip access, get the Omnisky. I have both a PalmVII and a PalmVx with OmniSky and I love the OmniSky. You can even telnet and irc from the palm (and VNC too). Omnisky is a more expensive initial cash outlay, but right now they have a program where you get a $150 rebate after you have paid for 6 months of service. The service is also cheaper than Palms (if you are talking unlimited bandwidth - which is the only way to fly IMO). You also have the option of waiting for Omnisky's Springboard for Visor's. That will probably yield your best bet if you don't want a PalmV. --b
Your browser doesn't realize it's a binary file.
Try IE (if possible) and right-click on the link and choose "Save As"; if the server reports the file as ASCII, Netscape will convert it to MS-DOS style ASCII (and mess it up) whereas IE will not.
Incidentally, all I saw was "slashdot.pqa" (Netscape 4.74)...
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It's called RDF and is becoming the de facto standard for headline interchange between websites. For instance, the slashboxes that you can add to your slashdot screen use this interchange.
Totaly agree with this one.
Thats what I didn't understand. Why would /. post about another PQA? Now that I know who you are, and what you do, it makes more sense. More explaination in the story would have been helpful.
I was able to download a Palm VII ROM and the emulator (I had previously signed up as a developer) but I couldn't get the PQA's to work. I apparently needed to go through the same activation procedure as any other Palm VII user, including providing a credit card for billing. Are there ways to use PQA's in a developer-type environment without signing up?
For more information, click here.
Sure you can -
you can run it in the Palm OS Emulator.
It's really cool!
If you wanna use Avantgo, just create a custom channel with the URL http://slashdot.org/palm
Try this instead. -- insert amusing remark here.
Hmm. Just think of: "Read more ... 433 of 644 comments. That must really be fun on a mobile phone ;-)
this is nitpicking, but that spelling up there makes me want to cry. Such fine automobiles, they deserve our highest respect! It's
F E R R A R I
pleeeeaaaasee....
thanks,
Roland
Wicked. I've been using avantgo to read slashdot on the bus to+from work, but the 100k limit was really buggin me. hopefully this'll sort it out. Scraggles Yeah -2 troll bait. And thanks too you too.
Computers are like air conditioners; they stop working if you open windows
somewhere. Yes, they encourage you to use a subset of HTML because their browser can't do things like tables... but it's still HTML.
The browser does actually support tables, has since day one. There is a preference to turn them off on certain pages that has caused some confusion in the past.
Check out the following link for the list of supported tags.
http://avantgo.com/developer/web/bi gmatrix.html
Enjoy, dK
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CDPD vs Palm VII? You must be kidding, right?
CDPD is twice as fast, gives your palm real TCP/IP access, and costs anywhere from $5-$15 less per month. The palm VII is tied to the Palm.net service, and you have to use PQAs for everything (you can still use them with a CDPD service if you want, so it's not an advantage).
Added bonus, you can take the modem off and revert to a smaller form factor if desired (note - my Palm Vx _with_ it's Minstrel V is smaller than the Palm VII).
For 95% of users, the VII is not worth the drawbacks.
Think outside the... Hey, where'd the friggin' box go?
And of course the "pirst fost"'ers would have twice as much stuff to do their dirty work...
You used a closed-source BIOS to load your operating system, didn't you?
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Will I retire or break 10K?
Huh? Chill out. It'll be on sourceforge when I put it up there by the end of today. I just haven't gotten around to it. I wanted it to work first. This is part of slashcode, slashcode is open source, therefore, the code for this is open source.
I added my own AvantGo Channel so that I can read /. from my Vx ... just configure /. to be a minimalist (no graphics, no /boxes, etc. ) It's not great, but it's acceptable.
When will we see an AvantGo channel for Slashdot? I want to read about Natalie Portman et al with my Visor without the per-minute fees.
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For your info, I was at PC Expo, they said that the OmniSky for the Visor thingamajig is coming out this fall.
hlag
you know, the least you could do if you are going to type all that script kiddie bullshit is be consistent. Did yah switch the 3 and 1 in midevil for any special reason?
I'm happy to see that they finally got this up...Good job
Looking at http://www.rgctech.com/slashdot/, and seeing that it's been out since the VII was in beta, what does this PQA add over it? And how is this new and amazing?
Go to Palm for developer info.
Give a hand, not a hand-out.
Excellent service... Of course, now I wonder how expensive the monthly fees will be now that you have people reading /.
LOL =) Thanks, tho - it's makes perfect sense to do this.. =)
...and I haven't tried it, but this PQA has been out since April of last year, according to Palm.net's web site.
:)
Almost makes me want to get a Palm VII, though...
For more information, click here.
The subject says it all.
Give a hand, not a hand-out.
Why is this updated palm link not refreshing for anything?
The ultimate network admin tool needs HELP!
cool-now I can exceed my monthly kilobyte allocation all in one day!
time to sign up for the unlimited volume plan
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Where's the source code? Isn't it a little hypocritical using a closed-source utility to read a web site that promotes open source?
How about a WAP interface? All the major news sites have them BBC, CNN etc.
Go to slashdot.org with a wap phone and you get a wap version of Slashdot. It's only the headlines but who would want to read the comments on a phone anyway?
And surely it can't be too hard to do as I'm sure the slashdot guys would have had the foresight to do all their content management in XML and therefore just need to knock up a quick XSL to do the translation into WML...
Obviously, three years ago they had the foresight to use XML. XML isn't the only way to do things, and it's as easy to dynamicly create WAP pages from a db as it is from XML, and due to some speed issues with XML::Parser in perl, it's a hell of a lot faster too
There'd be no way I'd use it for more than the occasional novelty, considering what WAP costs with Sprint, but.. How about it?
Anyone care to comment on the service (price, quality, availability) between the two? I have a Palm III now, but might want to upgrade in a few months.
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Read the freakin reference man! Do I say anything about their HTML? No! If an AvantGo is just like any other Web site (but without HTML whistles) then give me the URLs to those 'just like any other site'. The problem is the conduit.
If I had a Palm VII, I would be rendered completely useless, since I would be able to do nothing but look at slashdot 24/7.
At least now, power shortages can stop me..
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How about a script that grabs the xml file every half hour, parses the headlines, gets only the new ones and mails them to a distro list, this way you can get the headlines on your cellphone or pager (with text messaging) and just hit the website when you get near your computer. I own a palm, but have no real interest in hooking it up to the net for browsing, but being alerted of new headlines for /. would be great. If I had a box that was connected 24x7 I'd throw a quick perl script together and set it to run as a cron every 30 minutes......Any one got a box out there that's on 24x7 and can handle what I'm sure would quickly become a huge mailing list of people interested in receiving /. headlines via cell or pager? better yet, anyone know got a place that will host for next to nothing with cgi access and unlimited bandwidth?
I reject your reality
I swear I must be doing something wrong. I clicked the link and I get....
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Without a palm, I can't try it.
Though I have recommended my friend to look at it,
I feel the need for some screenshots for Palm interfaces like this.
I just tried it on my Sprint PCS phone and got an error (the page isn't WAP'ified).
However, quite a few of us have already ditched AvantGo in favour of Sitescooper, which is a web-clipping engine oriented towards packaging up news sites for view offline on a PDA, using a DOC or HTML-based viewer. It's a lot smarter and more configurable than AG, and it's GPLed.
Among the hundreds of sites supported is Slashdot, which is displayed showing all stories with a comment filter at level 3. Check it out. If you have a Palm with a DOC reader or iSilo installed, you can pick up the previous day's news scooped into iSilo and DOC formats.
(Disclaimer: I'm the main author of sitescooper, and myself and Kornelis Sietsma came up with the site file for slashdot.)
Just use AvantGo, and create a second /. acocunt for it. Then, you can set the preferences to lower the complexity of the pages, and have it on any Palm device, online or offline.
I was checking out Slashcode.com the other day because I wanted to submit some patches to create some desperately needed features (killfiles and nick-changing). But then I realized that while some patches have been submitted, none have ever been accepted. What's up with this. Also, if they ever DO get accepted, will they ever run on slashdot.org?
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And surely it can't be too hard to do as I'm sure the slashdot guys would have had the foresight to do all their content management in XML and therefore just need to knock up a quick XSL to do the translation into WML...
Nick
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Slashdot has never "officially" supported a PDA interface before.. If you're going to go to the trouble of writing one, an official one, you should have created and AvantGo channel. That way Palm users (of any Palm), Handspring users, TRG Pro users, and, yes, even Pocket PC/Win CE users could get it on thier PDA.
Yes, I know AvantGo can read the "stripped-down" HTML version, but why not make an official AvantGo channel that looks good, with a little graphic or something. It seems this would reach a larger audience.
Maybe it wouldn't be as cool as wireless though..
It's an idea.
wish
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when are we gonna get a avantgo channel/super lean version of slashdot that shows up good (i.e. no tables, intelligently placed content) for slashdot?
Simple question: how does one code/construct a PQA?
-Hentai [in vita non pacem est]
I don't know. It doesn't really seem like slashdot to me. Without JenniCam in a slashbox and all.
AvantGo fragments the Web and encourages sites to remove their Palm accessible content in favor content available only through their propietary interface. Read about it at: http://goatee.net/2000/06#19mo
ok, ONLY for the palm VII what about my qualicomm PDQ? what about my Palm IIIx that has a radiomodem on it's back? The palm VII is the least sold palm, while the Qualicomm is screaming off the shelves (Verizon has a 3 week waiting list and we are purchasing 5 more for the office!)
Gimmie the source and I'll hack it together for the rest of the palm devices!
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I think he got smacked for being the second post. Someone wasn't paying close attention and thought he was going for the first. I would fix it but I don't have any mod points today.
Yep, I've got a Plam Vx with a CDPD modem. I didn't buy it through OmniSky, so I don't have the app for PQA support... /. comes through okay with Avantgo or EudoraWeb, though.
The 'light' version of
Anyone know if there's a free/open app for PQA support on non-Palm VIIs?
-Dave
you can also use http://www.trancell.com if you have any kind of wireless device with email.
Yes, I read the reference. Then I explained to you how AvantGo works. Now I will give you some URLs, as per your request, to show you that AvantGo does not fragment the web. All the conduit does is cache HTML pages and store them on your device. You might want to quit believing everything you read. That guy from your link didn't know what he was talking about and neither do you.
http://avantgo.hollywood.com/
http://www.pdalive.com/avantgo/
http://avantgo.10best.com/
http://www.women.com/avantgo/horoscopes/
http://www.all-legends.com/avantgo/
http://www.mapquest.com/avantgo/
Anything else you'd like to add?
wish
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How about the NYTimes then? (BTW a reader of the site sent me one (yes I'm that guy) but you'll have a damn hard time finding it from the NYTtimes site.) Yes, you can go to AltaVista and look search for link:avantGo in it, but it's a pittance of the potential content. I am the guy from the site and when I ask for the URL of palm accessible content from a AvantGo partner, I'm frequently shafted, just as I was at NYTimes. If you think about it, it is in AvantGo's commercial interest, nothing surprising. But that doesn't mean we should encourage them. So when I see someone advocate AvantGo, I will protest as it frequently means their content is no longer accessible on less propietary applications. ALL content should be palm accessible and have well known URLs. It doesn't need special HTML nor special conduits.
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So many people seem to be jumpimg over any and all 'wired' solutions in favor of wireless, it just doesn't make sense to me. There is no way I'm diving into YET ANOTHER monthly fee.
I've used this one for a while and it works pretty well too.
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RTFJ.
A little off topic, but it's about news reading on PDAs nonetheless. I prefer iSilo. My Visor is really low on memory, and AvantGo takes up WAY too much room (iSilo is 47k). Although I haven't tried AvantGo(wouldn't fit) I think iSilo works pretty well. Most pages end up looking pretty nice(Slashdot included)
The AvantGo service just keeps track of your favorite sites and allows you to download them into your pda when you sync with your computer. Handy. You can view any web page with the AvantGo viewer / service. I currently have AvantGo fetch my SETI@home stats every time I sync.
If you read the documentation about how to create an AvantGo channel, you will see that is is nothing more than a HTML file on a webserver somewhere. Yes, they encourage you to use a subset of HTML because their browser can't do things like tables... but it's still HTML.
Last time I checked, a popular console browser among linux enthusiasts only recognized a subset of HTML as well. No one accuses lynx of fragmenting the web. Do some research on AvantGo before you blast it.
From AvantGo Developer Resources: "In its most basic form, an AvantGo channel is just another web site.There's more to it than that, of course. An AvantGo channel page doesn't contain all the bells and whistles you might see on, say, a web page in Internet Explorer 5.0. But if you know how to create a web page, you can make yourself an AvantGo channel."
wish
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Sprint Wireless Web fails, so my guess is your system grabbed it as text.
Are there some text-based ads being used?
No, Thursday's out. How about never - is never good for you?