I was under the impression that the cake did not have "homosexuality is great" written on it in frosting. If it did, you might have a point. Otherwise you're grasping desperately at straws.
No, that *was exactly* the point. The bakery and owner in question had served this lesbian couple on multiple occasions prior knowing they were a gay couple. They sold them goods each time with no problem at all. The message on the cake was the sticking-point that went too far. Even then, the baker offered recommendations for other bakeries that he felt were good shops that would have no problem with their message and provide good quality and value.
That was not good enough and they filed the discrimination complaint. Why are Muslim-owned halal bakeries never challenged? It seems Christians are considered "safe targets" for attacks on their religion but not Muslims in the US. This tells me it's not about principle at all, it's about attacking other's beliefs with which you disagree, but only those others you are confident are too civilized to attack back. It's about bigotry and hatred and not about equal rights and protections.
*primarily due to the privacy and control implications they will wind up ushering in. In most things, without privacy you really do not have freedom. And freedom of movement should be a sacred thing, not far behind freedom of speech and expression.
I have similar concerns as well. People could find themselves hopping into a SDC to take them to a protest/rally for or against some law/Act/etc or other government action and instead find their SDC's controls overridden and the doors remotely-locked, and the SDC taking them directly to a LE detention facility.
Think of the police lives and money saved by having people's own SDCs affect arrest & transport of suspects directly to the police station and/or holding facility.
That's not even mentioning tracking and recording all individual travel and associations, and possibly even conversations occurring within the SDC's passenger compartment.
The complete antithesis to free speech would be if you were forced to spread messages you disagree with.
Oh, you mean like a baker forced to bake a wedding cake with a pro-same-sex marriage message when it's against his (Christian) religion? (Muslims get a pass)
The nice thing with infrared is it prioritises living things by default, at least at night.
The problem is that not everything that shows up as a warm bright spot is a living thing, or even an obstacle at all. I've had the opportunity to try out some very expensive high quality infrared vision equipment. While riding as a passenger in a friend's vehicle down the street on a cold night, the manhole covers and the warm clouds of warm air and water vapor rising from them stood out starkly as they were much warmer than the road surface. It looked as if we were driving through big, waving columns growing out of bright discs in the roadway. I'm sure there must be many other similar types of strange effects that would need much more than a proximity detector.
It was a startling and confusing visual to me as a human with decades of safe driving experience, so you'd need a quite sophisticated AI to be able to parse what the infrared sensors are 'seeing'. I'm not sure we're there technology-wise yet.
I have to wonder if the jaywalking woman here might have been drunk or high on drugs, impairing her senses and judgement.
I find it extremely telling how valuable the Left actually holds LGBTQetc people when almost every time they start insulting others who have different views, the "faggot" and "cocksucker" and other homophobic hate-speech labels come spewing out of their mouths.
Some people say the US Left has no standards, but I disagree. They have TWO (at a minimum) of them!
That bit of unpleasant Truth gets -50% Troll -50% Overrated? With all the vile, obscene, bigoted, racist, homophobic, and threatening anit-Trumper and #Resist posts here on Slashdot? LMAO!!
Careful. When Colbert called DJT Putin's cockholster, he had to have Jim Parsons on the next day and it still didn't stop the homophobe accusations.
I find it extremely telling how valuable the Left actually holds LGBTQetc people when almost every time they start insulting others who have different views, the "faggot" and "cocksucker" and other homophobic hate-speech labels come spewing out of their mouths.
Some people say the US Left has no standards, but I disagree. They have TWO (at a minimum) of them!
Section 230. If they are going to be moderating anything then they are responsible for everything.
This is why slashdot is user moderated. And posts almost never get deleted.
Yes, that's true regarding/. but Alphabet et al are not forced to comply with such laws as "some animals are more equal than others". Those in political favor are largely immune from such "prole laws". "Equal treatment and protection under law" has largely been rendered a sick joke in the US.
With their new anti-gun stance, what's the word for when their first movie is one that is likely to include at least some use of guns.
Oh yes, Hypocrites.
Exactly. Alphabet/Google/YT is happy to make money from glorifying gun violence in movies. Their corporate VIPs and those in Hollywood want to ban guns but see no problem protecting *themselves* with armed private security or even carrying a gun themselves, they just hate the idea of those regular non-'elites' who work for a living having the ability to protect themselves, their families, and their property because they view them as "deplorables" who really "aren't smart enough" to understand that forcing them to be helpless victims to armed criminals is all for "the greater good(TM) of The Collective".
I've already deleted my Google/YT account and removed my content. I now use DuckDuckGo.com and created an account on full30.com as well as supporting full30.com and at least a couple of the content-creators there with my money. I know very well that Alphabet/Google/YT won't miss my content, my views, or my money. This is not about punishing Alphabet et al, it's about adhering to my personal principles. They oppose individual liberty and I am for it. It does not get more "irreconcilable" than that.
So because you live in a country with no freedom, you want Americans also to have no freedom. How very generous of you.
It's the "dog in the manger" behavior.
"If I can't have/use it, then nobody can/should!"
You see it a lot from people who have lived all their lives under an authoritarian regime. They've been "Stockholmed" so thoroughly they can't imagine others desiring liberty and get upset/angry about those who do, believing them to be "unreasonable" for desiring personal liberty.
I wonder how many of those inane anti-semitic posts were made by troll factories employed by the ADL? Gotta drive up donations!
The **ADL** FFS!? Seriously!?
It couldn't *possibly* be Alphabet hiring shitposters, no...couldn't happen! Gotta be Jews, right Adolph?
History shows us that when the antisemitism starts spreading, another world-war is on the horizon.
You don't want that. Not with the weaponry, drones, WMDs, bio & chem weapons around today.
Antisemites are mouth-breathing idiots. I include Roger Waters. He's an idiot-savant that can play a keyboard. You other Jew-hater idiots can't even claim to have even that much worth to society. Please allow Darwin to have his way with you ASAP, hopefully before you can pollute the gene pool any further.
A poor guy working at Marriot Hotels was recently canned because he liked a comment on Twitter than the Chinese gov disagreed with. China simply told Marriot, fire the guy or we make things hard on you.
Does your employer do anything with Russia? Do any of your vendors, suppliers, partners? You have a very simplistic view. You don't need to live in those territories, you simply need some remote connection that they can use to apply pressure.
Nope.
I have no pressure points they can use.
The only option they have with me is murder, as you pointed out. I don't think they'd seriously bother, honestly. Even if the risk was real I wouldn't let that prevent me from doing or saying what I want.
Thanks for alerting me to Marriot. I'll be certain to never do business with them again.
they would need to completely vacate Russia before I trusted them.
Why do you need to trust them? Do you regularly travel to regions and countries where Russia has authority to arrest/kill you? Do you keep classified national security data on your 'net-connected computer?
An an American not involved in anything defense-related, I have far less to fear personally from Russia/FSB than I do from US TLAs and the US government/law enforcement in general. They are certainly not trustworthy and have the ability to snatch you up and ship your ass off to a "black site" or simply by selectively-enforcing some arcane law that hardly ever gets enforced to toss you into PMITA prison.
I'd trust foreign A/V companies before I'd trust any US A/V companies. US A/V products are the least trustworthy.
How to really make sure the data goes? Mix in some US freedom of speech on topics that will have other nations and international ads not able to function with the account. The value of that account is then negative globally as it has to have real time spent on reducing visibility to that account.
I imagine that posting your drawings/paintings/Play-Dough sculptures of Muhammad having sex with swine and dogs, along with posts reprinting articles from local EU papers detailing Muslim 'refugee' rapes of, and attacks on, natives of the EU would suffice admirably.:)
Businesses are not interested in putting money into services that they would not be able to control completely. Secure communication protocols exist, but no one would invest enough money to push them into mass usage.
On top of that, any such service would be seen as a national security threat by US TLAs and by other Western nations' security agencies and pressure would be applied to either compromise it or kill it.
What you're saying is that racism doesn't let it happen. Sad, ain't it?
WTF!? How did you get racism out of that?
It has nothing to do with racism. It's simply that people have differing cultures, morals, ideas about what is "just" and "unjust", individual liberty, privacy, etc etc etc. There will always be a portion of the population that feels (rightly or wrongly) that they're being treated unjustly. This causes internal strife, conflict, hatred, and eventually violence and a breakdown of the society, the economy, and eventually leads to revolution, death, and destruction.
Another problem with collectivist types of societies is that they depend on the individual acting against their own interests in favor of the collective necessitating a police/surveillance-state to enforce compliance, whereas capitalism harnesses the power of people's own self-interest to benefit everyone.
How will it choose if it has to decide between killing 4 people or 1?
Oh, that's easy!
It kills the four-person group and then backs up to take out the single person too so as not to be accused of racial, cultural, ideological, gender, wealth, or political discrimination and/or bias by Progressives.
It's working well for Norway, Sweden, Germany, Italy, France, basically all of the EU.
That's quite debatable.
Socialism and other collectivist ideologies can work among smaller populations and populations who are fairly culturally, ideologically, and ethnically homogeneous. It breaks down among large and diverse populations as found in the former USSR and the USA.
This is largely due to differing views on what is a 'fair share' and what is 'reasonable' as they vary widely among differing ethnicities, cultures, religions, etc.
We're seeing it break down in those regions and nations you mention in real-time with the influx of large numbers of foreigners with vastly differing cultures and norms.
Yes of course when Trump does it but not when Obama (or Hillary, for that matter) does it. Progressives get a pass because they're the 'good guys' (only in their own minds).
Progressives are our equivalent of the Sith, and like the Sith, they operate on absolutes. They see themselves as ineffably good, righteous, and always 'the smartest people in the room' so naturally anyone who disagrees is automatically 'stupid' and 'evil', therefor 'the ends justify the means' when fighting 'Pure Evil(TM)'.
Or more correctly not being able to [reproduce experimental results]. Kind of the smoking gun type of evidence that says junk science is embedded as core to modern scienceÃ(TM)s purpose.
"Modern science"'s purpose these days is to push political agendas that attract funding from politically-polarized groups, the largest being the US government. Anyone attempting to publish real scientific research that casts doubt upon the politically-correct conclusions embraced by the political/scientific 'establishment' are ostracized and personally destroyed in the media and shunned by academic and scientific peers.
The problem with "modern science" is that there's been too much politics injected into a discipline based on facts and the ability to reproduce and therefore verify.
"The truth shall eventually set you free, but first it will make you miserable."
Agreed. Also the electrification of aircraft? People are going to fly over oceans in solar powered ultralights? I donÃ(TM)t think so.
Haven't kept up, eh?
Electrically-powered aircraft, at first small single-engine types, are not far off at all given the rates of advancement we've seen regarding electric battery storage technology combined with new materials like carbon-fiber.
Look at the model aircraft world to see what is coming. Not many years ago the majority of RC model airplanes of any size were powered by ICEs. Now ICE-powered models, especially aircraft and quad-rotors, are becoming the exception rather than the rule.. Walk into a hobby store these days and the majority of powered models and kits on display use electric motors. My local hobby store has one small ~4ft glass-top display case over in a corner for ICE model engines, kits, accessories, etc, which only comprises maybe 15-20% at most of the display case footage in the shop.
Electrically powered cars and freight trucks are now beginning to become a reality as our ability to store electricity densely steadily improves. Aircraft cannot be far behind.
That actually appears to be one of the few things the author of TFA isn't pie-in-the-skying about.
By definition, a leader whose doctrine is "my country first" isn't out to improve the world.
No ir's not any such thing if that country has a long history prior to the last few decades of overall being a force for good in the world and has suffered for not putting enough into taking care of their own nation so that they may resume being on balance a force for good in the world.
No nation is perfect. Some nations are on balance a force for good, but most are on balance a force for evil in the world, or at best, spectators & opportunists. Some nations go through phases alternating between being forces for both good and evil at different points.
Only Sith and their ideological equivalents IRL deal in absolutes.
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If they can get paid for doing what they enjoy, who the hell are you to tell them what they're allowed to do with their bodies?
We're politicians that aren't getting the lion's share of the money changing hands, that's who!
Now shut the fuck up and pay your taxes like a good slave! /s
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I was under the impression that the cake did not have "homosexuality is great" written on it in frosting. If it did, you might have a point. Otherwise you're grasping desperately at straws.
No, that *was exactly* the point. The bakery and owner in question had served this lesbian couple on multiple occasions prior knowing they were a gay couple. They sold them goods each time with no problem at all. The message on the cake was the sticking-point that went too far. Even then, the baker offered recommendations for other bakeries that he felt were good shops that would have no problem with their message and provide good quality and value.
That was not good enough and they filed the discrimination complaint. Why are Muslim-owned halal bakeries never challenged? It seems Christians are considered "safe targets" for attacks on their religion but not Muslims in the US. This tells me it's not about principle at all, it's about attacking other's beliefs with which you disagree, but only those others you are confident are too civilized to attack back. It's about bigotry and hatred and not about equal rights and protections.
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*primarily due to the privacy and control implications they will wind up ushering in. In most things, without privacy you really do not have freedom. And freedom of movement should be a sacred thing, not far behind freedom of speech and expression.
I have similar concerns as well. People could find themselves hopping into a SDC to take them to a protest/rally for or against some law/Act/etc or other government action and instead find their SDC's controls overridden and the doors remotely-locked, and the SDC taking them directly to a LE detention facility.
Think of the police lives and money saved by having people's own SDCs affect arrest & transport of suspects directly to the police station and/or holding facility.
That's not even mentioning tracking and recording all individual travel and associations, and possibly even conversations occurring within the SDC's passenger compartment.
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The complete antithesis to free speech would be if you were forced to spread messages you disagree with.
Oh, you mean like a baker forced to bake a wedding cake with a pro-same-sex marriage message when it's against his (Christian) religion? (Muslims get a pass)
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The fifty cent armies are out in force for this article.
Let them compete with free. :)
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The nice thing with infrared is it prioritises living things by default, at least at night.
The problem is that not everything that shows up as a warm bright spot is a living thing, or even an obstacle at all. I've had the opportunity to try out some very expensive high quality infrared vision equipment. While riding as a passenger in a friend's vehicle down the street on a cold night, the manhole covers and the warm clouds of warm air and water vapor rising from them stood out starkly as they were much warmer than the road surface. It looked as if we were driving through big, waving columns growing out of bright discs in the roadway. I'm sure there must be many other similar types of strange effects that would need much more than a proximity detector.
It was a startling and confusing visual to me as a human with decades of safe driving experience, so you'd need a quite sophisticated AI to be able to parse what the infrared sensors are 'seeing'. I'm not sure we're there technology-wise yet.
I have to wonder if the jaywalking woman here might have been drunk or high on drugs, impairing her senses and judgement.
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I find it extremely telling how valuable the Left actually holds LGBTQetc people when almost every time they start insulting others who have different views, the "faggot" and "cocksucker" and other homophobic hate-speech labels come spewing out of their mouths.
Some people say the US Left has no standards, but I disagree. They have TWO (at a minimum) of them!
That bit of unpleasant Truth gets -50% Troll -50% Overrated? With all the vile, obscene, bigoted, racist, homophobic, and threatening anit-Trumper and #Resist posts here on Slashdot? LMAO!!
The irony is over 9000!
Strat
Careful. When Colbert called DJT Putin's cockholster, he had to have Jim Parsons on the next day and it still didn't stop the homophobe accusations.
I find it extremely telling how valuable the Left actually holds LGBTQetc people when almost every time they start insulting others who have different views, the "faggot" and "cocksucker" and other homophobic hate-speech labels come spewing out of their mouths.
Some people say the US Left has no standards, but I disagree. They have TWO (at a minimum) of them!
Strat
Section 230.
If they are going to be moderating anything then they are responsible for everything.
This is why slashdot is user moderated. And posts almost never get deleted.
Yes, that's true regarding /. but Alphabet et al are not forced to comply with such laws as "some animals are more equal than others". Those in political favor are largely immune from such "prole laws". "Equal treatment and protection under law" has largely been rendered a sick joke in the US.
Strat
With their new anti-gun stance, what's the word for when their first movie is one that is likely to include at least some use of guns.
Oh yes, Hypocrites.
Exactly. Alphabet/Google/YT is happy to make money from glorifying gun violence in movies. Their corporate VIPs and those in Hollywood want to ban guns but see no problem protecting *themselves* with armed private security or even carrying a gun themselves, they just hate the idea of those regular non-'elites' who work for a living having the ability to protect themselves, their families, and their property because they view them as "deplorables" who really "aren't smart enough" to understand that forcing them to be helpless victims to armed criminals is all for "the greater good(TM) of The Collective".
I've already deleted my Google/YT account and removed my content. I now use DuckDuckGo.com and created an account on full30.com as well as supporting full30.com and at least a couple of the content-creators there with my money. I know very well that Alphabet/Google/YT won't miss my content, my views, or my money. This is not about punishing Alphabet et al, it's about adhering to my personal principles. They oppose individual liberty and I am for it. It does not get more "irreconcilable" than that.
Strat
So because you live in a country with no freedom, you want Americans also to have no freedom. How very generous of you.
It's the "dog in the manger" behavior.
"If I can't have/use it, then nobody can/should!"
You see it a lot from people who have lived all their lives under an authoritarian regime. They've been "Stockholmed" so thoroughly they can't imagine others desiring liberty and get upset/angry about those who do, believing them to be "unreasonable" for desiring personal liberty.
Sad, very sad. Tragic, in fact.
Strat
I wonder how many of those inane anti-semitic posts were made by troll factories employed by the ADL? Gotta drive up donations!
The **ADL** FFS!? Seriously!?
It couldn't *possibly* be Alphabet hiring shitposters, no...couldn't happen! Gotta be Jews, right Adolph?
History shows us that when the antisemitism starts spreading, another world-war is on the horizon.
You don't want that. Not with the weaponry, drones, WMDs, bio & chem weapons around today.
Antisemites are mouth-breathing idiots. I include Roger Waters. He's an idiot-savant that can play a keyboard. You other Jew-hater idiots can't even claim to have even that much worth to society. Please allow Darwin to have his way with you ASAP, hopefully before you can pollute the gene pool any further.
Strat
A poor guy working at Marriot Hotels was recently canned because he liked a comment on Twitter than the Chinese gov disagreed with. China simply told Marriot, fire the guy or we make things hard on you.
Does your employer do anything with Russia? Do any of your vendors, suppliers, partners? You have a very simplistic view. You don't need to live in those territories, you simply need some remote connection that they can use to apply pressure.
Nope.
I have no pressure points they can use.
The only option they have with me is murder, as you pointed out. I don't think they'd seriously bother, honestly. Even if the risk was real I wouldn't let that prevent me from doing or saying what I want.
Thanks for alerting me to Marriot. I'll be certain to never do business with them again.
Strat
Then YouTube can do without my views (or content).
I know that my dropping YT doesn't matter much, but I won't feel like I'm supporting censorship,even if they have the right on their platform.
Time also to change my default search engine from Google to something else even if it's not as good.
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they would need to completely vacate Russia before I trusted them.
Why do you need to trust them? Do you regularly travel to regions and countries where Russia has authority to arrest/kill you? Do you keep classified national security data on your 'net-connected computer?
An an American not involved in anything defense-related, I have far less to fear personally from Russia/FSB than I do from US TLAs and the US government/law enforcement in general. They are certainly not trustworthy and have the ability to snatch you up and ship your ass off to a "black site" or simply by selectively-enforcing some arcane law that hardly ever gets enforced to toss you into PMITA prison.
I'd trust foreign A/V companies before I'd trust any US A/V companies. US A/V products are the least trustworthy.
Strat
How to really make sure the data goes?
Mix in some US freedom of speech on topics that will have other nations and international ads not able to function with the account.
The value of that account is then negative globally as it has to have real time spent on reducing visibility to that account.
I imagine that posting your drawings/paintings/Play-Dough sculptures of Muhammad having sex with swine and dogs, along with posts reprinting articles from local EU papers detailing Muslim 'refugee' rapes of, and attacks on, natives of the EU would suffice admirably. :)
Strat
Businesses are not interested in putting money into services that they would not be able to control completely. Secure communication protocols exist, but no one would invest enough money to push them into mass usage.
On top of that, any such service would be seen as a national security threat by US TLAs and by other Western nations' security agencies and pressure would be applied to either compromise it or kill it.
Strat
What you're saying is that racism doesn't let it happen. Sad, ain't it?
WTF!? How did you get racism out of that?
It has nothing to do with racism. It's simply that people have differing cultures, morals, ideas about what is "just" and "unjust", individual liberty, privacy, etc etc etc. There will always be a portion of the population that feels (rightly or wrongly) that they're being treated unjustly. This causes internal strife, conflict, hatred, and eventually violence and a breakdown of the society, the economy, and eventually leads to revolution, death, and destruction.
Another problem with collectivist types of societies is that they depend on the individual acting against their own interests in favor of the collective necessitating a police/surveillance-state to enforce compliance, whereas capitalism harnesses the power of people's own self-interest to benefit everyone.
Strat
How will it choose if it has to decide between killing 4 people or 1?
Oh, that's easy!
It kills the four-person group and then backs up to take out the single person too so as not to be accused of racial, cultural, ideological, gender, wealth, or political discrimination and/or bias by Progressives.
Easy-peasy!
Strat
It's working well for Norway, Sweden, Germany, Italy, France, basically all of the EU.
That's quite debatable.
Socialism and other collectivist ideologies can work among smaller populations and populations who are fairly culturally, ideologically, and ethnically homogeneous. It breaks down among large and diverse populations as found in the former USSR and the USA.
This is largely due to differing views on what is a 'fair share' and what is 'reasonable' as they vary widely among differing ethnicities, cultures, religions, etc.
We're seeing it break down in those regions and nations you mention in real-time with the influx of large numbers of foreigners with vastly differing cultures and norms.
Strat
Providing data is "interfering"?
Yes of course when Trump does it but not when Obama (or Hillary, for that matter) does it. Progressives get a pass because they're the 'good guys' (only in their own minds).
Progressives are our equivalent of the Sith, and like the Sith, they operate on absolutes. They see themselves as ineffably good, righteous, and always 'the smartest people in the room' so naturally anyone who disagrees is automatically 'stupid' and 'evil', therefor 'the ends justify the means' when fighting 'Pure Evil(TM)'.
Strat
I'm good with that. I'm a socialist. That is miles and miles better than sociopathic conservative corporatist.
Yeah, the US as the new Venezuela.
Sounds positively delightful as it's worked out so well for Venezuelans.
UBI avoids the pitfalls of the old Soviet quip "We pretend to work, they pretend to pay us." by eliminating the "..we pretend to work" bit.
Brilliant.
Strat
Or more correctly not being able to [reproduce experimental results]. Kind of the smoking gun type of evidence that says junk science is embedded as core to modern scienceÃ(TM)s purpose.
"Modern science"'s purpose these days is to push political agendas that attract funding from politically-polarized groups, the largest being the US government. Anyone attempting to publish real scientific research that casts doubt upon the politically-correct conclusions embraced by the political/scientific 'establishment' are ostracized and personally destroyed in the media and shunned by academic and scientific peers.
The problem with "modern science" is that there's been too much politics injected into a discipline based on facts and the ability to reproduce and therefore verify.
"The truth shall eventually set you free, but first it will make you miserable."
Strat
Agreed. Also the electrification of aircraft? People are going to fly over oceans in solar powered ultralights? I donÃ(TM)t think so.
Haven't kept up, eh?
Electrically-powered aircraft, at first small single-engine types, are not far off at all given the rates of advancement we've seen regarding electric battery storage technology combined with new materials like carbon-fiber.
Look at the model aircraft world to see what is coming. Not many years ago the majority of RC model airplanes of any size were powered by ICEs. Now ICE-powered models, especially aircraft and quad-rotors, are becoming the exception rather than the rule.. Walk into a hobby store these days and the majority of powered models and kits on display use electric motors. My local hobby store has one small ~4ft glass-top display case over in a corner for ICE model engines, kits, accessories, etc, which only comprises maybe 15-20% at most of the display case footage in the shop.
Electrically powered cars and freight trucks are now beginning to become a reality as our ability to store electricity densely steadily improves. Aircraft cannot be far behind.
That actually appears to be one of the few things the author of TFA isn't pie-in-the-skying about.
Strat
By definition, a leader whose doctrine is "my country first" isn't out to improve the world.
No ir's not any such thing if that country has a long history prior to the last few decades of overall being a force for good in the world and has suffered for not putting enough into taking care of their own nation so that they may resume being on balance a force for good in the world.
No nation is perfect. Some nations are on balance a force for good, but most are on balance a force for evil in the world, or at best, spectators & opportunists. Some nations go through phases alternating between being forces for both good and evil at different points.
Only Sith and their ideological equivalents IRL deal in absolutes.
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