Its title is "The Utility of the Union in Respect to Commercial
Relations and a Navy"
Is it speaking of touchy-feely "human interaction"? Hell no. It is talking about TRADE.
E.G.
It would be in the power of the maritime nations, availing themselves of our universal impotence, to prescribe the conditions of our political existence; and as they have a common interest in being our carriers, and still more in preventing our becoming theirs, they would in all probability combine to embarrass our navigation in such a manner as would in effect destroy it, and confine us to a PASSIVE COMMERCE. We should then be compelled to content ourselves with the first price of our commodities, and to see the profits of our trade snatched from us to enrich our enemies and persecutors.
This paper is all about commerce as business trade. No where is it used to denote something less commecial like social intercourse.
The Japanese think they'll be able to extract uranium from sea water, at a price of ~$300/kg.
Hmm. If the Japanese have a way to extract heavy metals from sea water at $300/kg, wouldn't they do better at extracting gold. At $500/Oz that's be $17642 per kg. That's cover the $300 extraction costs, easy!:)
For N-dollars they could sell us a list of all the emails/credit card numbers who bought our phone information from them.
Or maybe even a protection plan. $50 to join. Someone buys your info, you get a call notifying you that happened. Then for $100 more they tell you who.:)
You might have claimed that both web servers and browsers were inspired by Ted Nelson's Xanadu. But thats vaporware, so it can't really be considered open or closed source.
Actually on further reseach I see Ted Nelson has released two versions of Xanadu. And I am glad to see he released them as explicitly open source. He chose the X11 licence.
> Apache is a patch on some closed source product?
Kinda. It originally was based on the public-domain EMWCACS Web server, from the University of Edinburgh.
... and google says! (regarding EMWCACS): "Did you mean: EMACS":)
Most people would have said from NCSA's httpd, which is OSS.
And the Viola Web browser was not open source.
In the court case EOLAS TECHNOLOGIES, INC v MICROSOFT, the author of ViolaWWW, Pei Wei , is quoted as
And for the record, I just want to point out that the technology which enabled Web
documents to contain fully-interactive "inline" program objects was existing in
ViolaWWW and was "released" to the public, and in full source code form, even
back in 1993
perl is a programming language, surely nobody thought of this before?
Apache when you come down to it, is a file server, yay.
ViolaWWW is a program to view something, wow, never would have guessed that.
And cooked food is just something else to eat, surely nobody thought of another kind of food before?
And a wheel is just a specially shaped lever wrapped around its fulcrum, yay.
A telescope is just a way to view something, wow, never would have guessed that.
Your bar for what is innovative is set way too high. If perl was just another programming language it would of sank in a sea of other "me-too" programming languages which had an additional advantage of being actively marketed. Filesystems are not targeted at the same sort of task a web server is. No cookies, no optional response types in the request, etc. And as for ViolaWWW, interfaces certainly can be innovative. You might have claimed that both web servers and browsers were inspired by Ted Nelson's Xanadu. But thats vaporware, so it can't really be considered open or closed source. certianly he has opened the conceptual ideas behind it.
Perhaps your definition its "Something is innovative if its a new way to make money", and since OSS does not seem like a new way to make money, it can't be innovative under that definition. Seems like it.
You'll also note that Florida 98.0975(4) does not say the county supervisor of elections must verify this list, only that they must 'attempt' to do so. A phone call unanswered, or a postcard that gets lost, and the law is satified.
How is this Jeb Bush's fault? If county election officials only "attempt" to verify the list, then why are they not ultimately responsible for invalid inclusions on the list? Jeb Bush and Catherine Harris had nothing to do with voter exclusions from the 2000 election, the local county election officials did. I guess that convienently doesn't fit your story as all the county election officials in the counties in question were all Democrats
Did you read 98.0975(1)? It says the "division" is supposed to submit the list of felons to the county supervisors. That "division" is the Florida Dept. of State, Division of Elections. (If you care, its defined so by Florida Statute 97.021(6).) Which at the time was under control of Katherine Harris. So yes, she most certainly was involved. So yes, her office was responsible for providing a list of actual felons to the counties. In that her office kept directing choicepoint/DBT to widen its match parameters to designate 'probable' felons, that include near name matches, and matches in states where felons regain the voting rights after serving thier sentences, and more, she did not meet her duty under 98.0975(1).
Even the NAACP was quick to point out that there were no charges of discrimination levied against the defendants, and that most of the changes that they were suing for were implemented prior to the settlement agreement.
'Quick' might be debatable. But the issue here isn't an accustaion that someone was discrimated on due to their race, but that people were removed from the list improperly. That was the harm done, and it was relatively easy to prove. Thats why the legislature moved to fix the problems before the settlement. Proving motive would have been much harder, and would have added little into getting harm repaired. So of course they didn't make that charge. They didn't stipulate the opposite either. It was the elephant in the room that no one discussed.
List #1- The Felon list that a 1998 Florida statute required the state to compile. This was a list of possible felons (including people names similar to convicted felons). The intent of this list was to get as many possible matches as they could, but being on this list DID NOT mean you were prevented from voting. This list was then forwarded to the individual county elections supervisors, and they were required to verify the names as actual convicted felons BEFORE any action was taken.
You've made a number of statements about this law that are just plain wrong. Even your URL takes most people to the 2003 version of the chapter.
This is the law under discussion. I use the 2000 version because that was the year of the election.
Florida Statute 98.0975 (Year 2000)
which reads as follows:
98.0975 Central voter file; periodic list maintenance.--
(1) By August 15, 1998, the division shall provide to each county
supervisor of elections a list containing the name, address, date of
birth, race, gender, and any other available information identifying
the voter of each person included in the central voter file as a
registered voter in the supervisor's county who:
(a) Is deceased;
(b) Has been convicted of a felony and has not had his or her civil
rights restored; or
(c) Has been adjudicated mentally incompetent and whose mental
capacity with respect to voting has not been restored.
(2) The division shall annually update the information required in
subsection (1) and forward a like list to each supervisor by June 1 of
each year.
(3)(a) In order to meet its obligations under this section, the
division shall annually contract with a private entity to compare
information in the central voter file with available information in
other computer databases, including, without limitation, databases
containing reliable criminal records and records of deceased persons.
(b) The entity contracted by the division is designated as an agent
of the division for purposes of administering the contract, and must
be limited to seeking only that information which is necessary for the
division to meet its obligations under this section. Information
obtained under this section may not be used for any purpose other than
determining voter eligibility.
(4) Upon receiving the list from the division, the supervisor must
attempt to verify the information provided. If the supervisor does not
determine that the information provided by the division is incorrect,
the supervisor must remove from the registration books by the next
subsequent election the name of any person who is deceased, convicted
of a felony, or adjudicated mentally incapacitated with respect to
voting.
You'll note that your repeated claim, that the law requests a list of "probable felons" is wrong. Florida 98.0975(1)(b) specifies that the list should of people who "Has been convicted of a felony and has not had his or her civil rights restored". Not 'possibly', not 'probably' but HAS.
You'll also note that Florida 98.0975(4) does not say the county supervisor of elections must verify this list, only that they must 'attempt' to do so. A phone call unanswered, or a postcard that gets lost, and the law is satified.
You also do not seem well informed on legal challenges to the purge list. The NAACP has sued a list of people over it. This includes the company that made the list, and several counties that have
settled out of court.
As the settlement includes provision that voters who were purged by error will be restored, you should take that as an indication that voters were removed in error.
There are times when one wants to give money where it is not part of an exchange. For instance if one wants to tip for a service that was given gratis. Like putting a dollar in jar of a bar pianist or street musician.
There are several musical artists who self publish via mp3.com that I'd send a tip to if it was just a matter of CLICK.
For instance, I find it amazing that a label has not signed up the The Birthday Massacre
Writing a check and mailing it makes it prohibitive in terms of real accounting overhead (shipping and handling)
Adolescent males are hungry for attention and peer approval. [...]If their flames are met with a barrage of protest, criticism or ridicule, they'll take notice. At the very least, hostile environments will become an issue.
If thats the proposed reaction, then aren't you giving them exactly what they want. Attention. (and incidentially peer approval as in "Nice trolling d00d".)
So how is "a barrage of protest, criticism or ridicule" different than flaming? In how articulate the speaker is? In how aggressive? Are the de-lurking lurkers supposed to be shouting down the flamers or merely role models on how to flame in a socially acceptable manner?
IMHO I also think it is a mistake to group trolls in with flamers. The former seek attention by disrupting discussion. The latter are expressing an opinion on the subject. Even if it expressed inarticulately, or agressively and provides little constructive input does that mean its invalid? Isn't just the fact that essay produces aggressive inarticulate unconstructive reactions in a segment of its audience a useful piece of information.
Is a badly expressed opinion necessarily invalid?
Ignoring such reactions may be a bad idea. Isn't "Agressive, inarticulate, unconstructive" a pretty good description of a mob or a riot. I should think its better to see that reaction in writing before one meets it on the streets.
Does it have to be a matter of 'need'? Some times things, including philosophies, just happen. Tools can be the seeds around which a philosophy can crystalize. Take for example, guns.... (stand back, wait for flamewars to ensue)
Or take the object of your rhetorical question:
When all you have is a hammer, everthing begins to look like a nail.
Slashdot Mirror
Q: How many libertarians does it take to stop a nazi tank column?
A: None. They prefer to let the invisible hand of the market take care of it.
Where did Madison say that?
Oh, so you claim that 'Commerce' back then was like cultural exchanges? Sheesh!
Look at Federalist Paper #11 for example.
http://www.conservativetruth.org/library/fed11.htm l
Its title is "The Utility of the Union in Respect to Commercial Relations and a Navy"
Is it speaking of touchy-feely "human interaction"? Hell no. It is talking about TRADE.
E.G.
This paper is all about commerce as business trade. No where is it used to denote something less commecial like social intercourse.
In China generally, no. Regulate trade between the US and China (including businesses there) yes.
U.S. Constitution, Article 1 Section 8MS has a 32 bit extension to metafiles they call Enhanced Meta Files (EMF)
Has anyone checked to see if an EMF file can execute code similar to how a WMF can?
Exactly how most spammers think.
Badges? We don need no STINKIN badges!
Hmm. If the Japanese have a way to extract heavy metals from sea water at $300/kg, wouldn't they do better at extracting gold. At $500/Oz that's be $17642 per kg. That's cover the $300 extraction costs, easy! :)
For N-dollars they could sell us a list of all the emails/credit card numbers who bought our phone information from them.
:)
Or maybe even a protection plan. $50 to join. Someone buys your info, you get a call notifying you that happened. Then for $100 more they tell you who.
You might have claimed that both web servers and browsers were inspired by Ted Nelson's Xanadu. But thats vaporware, so it can't really be considered open or closed source.
Actually on further reseach I see Ted Nelson has released two versions of Xanadu. And I am glad to see he released them as explicitly open source. He chose the X11 licence.
http://www.udanax.com/
So I want to apologize for calling it vaporware when its been out for more tha 5 years
Kinda. It originally was based on the public-domain EMWCACS Web server, from the University of Edinburgh.
Most people would have said from NCSA's httpd, which is OSS.
And the Viola Web browser was not open source.
In the court case EOLAS TECHNOLOGIES, INC v MICROSOFT, the author of ViolaWWW, Pei Wei , is quoted as
I guess since its supposedly closed source, this must be a pirate site: http://www.netsw.org/infosys/www/clientside/browsSure they claim to be "the gallery of Open Source Unix software from the net", but you know how sneaky those pirates are!
perl is a programming language, surely nobody thought of this before?
Apache when you come down to it, is a file server, yay.
ViolaWWW is a program to view something, wow, never would have guessed that.
And cooked food is just something else to eat, surely nobody thought of another kind of food before?
And a wheel is just a specially shaped lever wrapped around its fulcrum, yay.
A telescope is just a way to view something, wow, never would have guessed that.
Your bar for what is innovative is set way too high. If perl was just another programming language it would of sank in a sea of other "me-too" programming languages which had an additional advantage of being actively marketed. Filesystems are not targeted at the same sort of task a web server is. No cookies, no optional response types in the request, etc. And as for ViolaWWW, interfaces certainly can be innovative. You might have claimed that both web servers and browsers were inspired by Ted Nelson's Xanadu. But thats vaporware, so it can't really be considered open or closed source. certianly he has opened the conceptual ideas behind it.
Perhaps your definition its "Something is innovative if its a new way to make money", and since OSS does not seem like a new way to make money, it can't be innovative under that definition. Seems like it.
And Larry Wall copied perl from where?
Apache is a patch on some closed source product?
ViolaWWW (which inspired the Mosaic web browser) started as a imitation of what?
All the producers had to do was borrow that anti-gravity generator the makers of the Bailey's Irish Cream "Weightless Bar" commercial used.
:)
Then they'd be able to fool everyone!
How is this Jeb Bush's fault? If county election officials only "attempt" to verify the list, then why are they not ultimately responsible for invalid inclusions on the list? Jeb Bush and Catherine Harris had nothing to do with voter exclusions from the 2000 election, the local county election officials did. I guess that convienently doesn't fit your story as all the county election officials in the counties in question were all Democrats
Did you read 98.0975(1)? It says the "division" is supposed to submit the list of felons to the county supervisors. That "division" is the Florida Dept. of State, Division of Elections. (If you care, its defined so by Florida Statute 97.021(6).) Which at the time was under control of Katherine Harris. So yes, she most certainly was involved. So yes, her office was responsible for providing a list of actual felons to the counties. In that her office kept directing choicepoint/DBT to widen its match parameters to designate 'probable' felons, that include near name matches, and matches in states where felons regain the voting rights after serving thier sentences, and more, she did not meet her duty under 98.0975(1).
Even the NAACP was quick to point out that there were no charges of discrimination levied against the defendants, and that most of the changes that they were suing for were implemented prior to the settlement agreement.
'Quick' might be debatable. But the issue here isn't an accustaion that someone was discrimated on due to their race, but that people were removed from the list improperly. That was the harm done, and it was relatively easy to prove. Thats why the legislature moved to fix the problems before the settlement. Proving motive would have been much harder, and would have added little into getting harm repaired. So of course they didn't make that charge. They didn't stipulate the opposite either. It was the elephant in the room that no one discussed.
You've made a number of statements about this law that are just plain wrong. Even your URL takes most people to the 2003 version of the chapter.
This is the law under discussion. I use the 2000 version because that was the year of the election. Florida Statute 98.0975 (Year 2000) which reads as follows:
98.0975 Central voter file; periodic list maintenance.--
(1) By August 15, 1998, the division shall provide to each county
supervisor of elections a list containing the name, address, date of
birth, race, gender, and any other available information identifying
the voter of each person included in the central voter file as a
registered voter in the supervisor's county who:
(a) Is deceased;
(b) Has been convicted of a felony and has not had his or her civil
rights restored; or
(c) Has been adjudicated mentally incompetent and whose mental
capacity with respect to voting has not been restored.
(2) The division shall annually update the information required in
subsection (1) and forward a like list to each supervisor by June 1 of
each year.
(3)(a) In order to meet its obligations under this section, the
division shall annually contract with a private entity to compare
information in the central voter file with available information in
other computer databases, including, without limitation, databases
containing reliable criminal records and records of deceased persons.
(b) The entity contracted by the division is designated as an agent
of the division for purposes of administering the contract, and must
be limited to seeking only that information which is necessary for the
division to meet its obligations under this section. Information
obtained under this section may not be used for any purpose other than
determining voter eligibility.
(4) Upon receiving the list from the division, the supervisor must
attempt to verify the information provided. If the supervisor does not
determine that the information provided by the division is incorrect,
the supervisor must remove from the registration books by the next
subsequent election the name of any person who is deceased, convicted
of a felony, or adjudicated mentally incapacitated with respect to
voting.
You'll note that your repeated claim, that the law requests a list of "probable felons" is wrong. Florida 98.0975(1)(b) specifies that the list should of people who "Has been convicted of a felony and has not had his or her civil rights restored". Not 'possibly', not 'probably' but HAS.
You'll also note that Florida 98.0975(4) does not say the county supervisor of elections must verify this list, only that they must 'attempt' to do so. A phone call unanswered, or a postcard that gets lost, and the law is satified.
You also do not seem well informed on legal challenges to the purge list. The NAACP has sued a list of people over it. This includes the company that made the list, and several counties that have settled out of court.
As the settlement includes provision that voters who were purged by error will be restored, you should take that as an indication that voters were removed in error.
There are several musical artists who self publish via mp3.com that I'd send a tip to if it was just a matter of CLICK.
For instance, I find it amazing that a label has not signed up the The Birthday Massacre
Writing a check and mailing it makes it prohibitive in terms of real accounting overhead (shipping and handling)
Just what I would buy if I were a Democratic Party congressperson who was considering flying in a private aircraft before next term's elections.
Sure, did he do that, or did he agree to give BACK the million kroner?
Pretty cool. Just like finding bucky tubes in chimney soot.
... or for a more practical use:
Mix it with urea to for that adhesive that is commonly used to hold plywood together.
Then use that to glue together any suitable stuff to form useful building materials. Cardboard, shredded paper, sand, glass, whatever.
Now all we need is cheap urea....
If thats the proposed reaction, then aren't you giving them exactly what they want. Attention. (and incidentially peer approval as in "Nice trolling d00d".)
So how is "a barrage of protest, criticism or ridicule" different than flaming? In how articulate the speaker is? In how aggressive? Are the de-lurking lurkers supposed to be shouting down the flamers or merely role models on how to flame in a socially acceptable manner?
IMHO I also think it is a mistake to group trolls in with flamers. The former seek attention by disrupting discussion. The latter are expressing an opinion on the subject. Even if it expressed inarticulately, or agressively and provides little constructive input does that mean its invalid? Isn't just the fact that essay produces aggressive inarticulate unconstructive reactions in a segment of its audience a useful piece of information.
Is a badly expressed opinion necessarily invalid?
Ignoring such reactions may be a bad idea. Isn't "Agressive, inarticulate, unconstructive" a pretty good description of a mob or a riot. I should think its better to see that reaction in writing before one meets it on the streets.
Or take the object of your rhetorical question:
Mr Gates, Is resistance futile, must we be assimilated?