So why do you blame the unwillingness of your administrators onto Debian? backports.org provides packages for the stable release by Debian Developers. What more do you want? Shall they come to your university and hold your administrator's hands during the update?
They did. As Ubuntu already had the splendid idea of saving the root[1] password in plain text on the hard disk, they just needed to come up with something different.
I've only skimmed the discussion, but it seems to boil down to this: Nobody is willing to take the extra burden of another driver outside of the vanilla kernel and for some reason, the module is not included in the vanilla kernel. While I agree with you that it would be nice to have such drivers, I also see the maintainers' point of not letting more work on their shoulders.
> They are currently on 3.3 (not 4... not 3.4... 3.3!).:) Switching from 3.3 to 3.4 *is* the hard part -- the ABI change for C++ happens there. Going from 3.4 to 4.0 might break some software, but that usually is an upstream problem.
The part about no autodetecting of sound hardware in Windows is also wrong. If drivers are available, the sound hardware works (we can now discuss about driver availability on the Windows CD, but that's not the point).
> I don't know why you had to do that either. Because you don't. Choose Settings > Repositories from the menu. Are you making up lies on purpose?
"To install Hoary, you may edit your/etc/apt/sources.list configuration file to replace all instances of 'warty' with 'hoary.' You can then go aboutupdating and upgrading to Hoary with apt, aptitude or synaptic as you would normally." https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GuideToHoary
> I think his punishment should fit the crime, but then again I wouldn't want this kid anywhere near my systems unsupervised. So what would a suitable punishment be, not only is it for his crime, but also as a detterent to others.
The basic idea of German law with regards to youth is education, not punishment. The importance of deterent can be seen quite clearly in the United States, where the death penalty exists in most states and still there are much more murders than in Germany.
> I can still get the code, modify it and distribute my changes. Who cares what I have to call it?
If you had *read* the discussion on the Debian list, you would have known that this is exactly the point: wether they must rename (better: rebrand) it or wether there's a way around it.
> If you are distributing what Debian distribute you can call it Debian. If you want to do something different, call it something else.
Actually no. If you publish the original Debian, it's an "official release" and you can use the Debian swirl logo together with the "magic lamp". If you make a derived version, it's a "vendor release". You can still use the swirl, but without the "magic lamp". http://www.debian.org/logos/ http://www.debian.org/CD/vendors/ Please note that on both logos you can use the word "Debian".
The problem here arises because AFAIK the Mozilla Foundation has no such strategy, i.e. there's no name that distributors can take if they change the sources.
> And today, most of us should have a DVD drive anyway, dont we? I regularly use Knoppix to boot systems where the installed OS doesn't work anymore (or must be replaced and I don't have a login for the current OS). You don't expect me to attach a DVD drive to each of these systems?
You are aware of the fact that in 1999, English was only third in the list of languages spoken natively by people around the globe? http://www.unipublic.unizh.ch/magazin/gesellschaft/2001/0195/ (It's in German). Even if you take the non-native english speakers, mandarin still wins.
> Is Debian's release cycle truly so slow that what appears to be an honest curiosity is modded as a troll? As Debian sid is the unstable branch of Debian, the release cycle is pretty unimportant for gcc's inclusion. Looking at the experimental branch, you'll find gcc 4.0 already included: http://packages.debian.org/experimental/devel/ (w hich is probably an earlier release candidate).
In sid itself exists a snapshot of gcc as of 20050319.
> IMHO is just like when RMS had to use propietary tools to start developing GNU Now imagine if RMS's favorite editor at that time had had a license which would have prohibited writing a better editor (even when using yet another editor for that)...
Well, your description of Saarland is a little bit too good (I am sitting in the same building as the graphics group). There is only a small part where wine grapes are planted (I come from there) and there are actually only two big rivers (the "Saar" - yeah, I know, big surprise and the "Mosel", where the wine region is). To give the rest of/. a measure - the Mosel has approx. 10 km in the Saarland, afterwards it continues in Rheinland-Pfalz.
That said, it sure is a nice area.
About your rally - I am not sure, after reading on wrc.com it will surely be close; but I don't know wether it's really in Saarland.
Okay, I checked (http://www.rallye-deutschland.de/). There will be part of it in Saarland (St. Wendel), but I doubt you will see the Saar.
First, sorry for the bad formatting in my previos posting - I should have used the preview.
> The problem with OO is that you have to manually create the "reference" in order to cross-reference. I don't know about word, but in LaTeX you have to write a "\label" command - after all, the program must know what you wish to reference.
> And then I'm not sure if it automatically updates the numbering too. I can assure you, it does - I've used this for my girlfriend's thesis (I was some sort of technical consultant:) ) and it works.
> Maybe your friends need to be able to cross-reference numbered sections or headings.
You mean something like: ".. as we've seen in chapter X on page Y'? Sorry to say, OO.org does this; if I remember correctly, it was already in SO 5.2.
Now, for Bibtex: Is there a tool for word for using Bibtex? I would be interested in it (not personally, as I run Linux, but all others are using Windows).
Comparing LaTex and Word is just like apples and oranges.
Think of what will happen the first time the GPL is challenged in court
You are aware that there were already ' provisional injunctions' (I hope the translator got it right) in Germany based upon the GPL?
http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/49377
(sorry, couldn't find it in English)
Debian and more specifically Ubuntu are Stallman's favourite distro because Debian has the exact same fanatic ideas about the software word as Stalman does. Eh, no! First, Ubuntu is not RMS's favorite distro as pointed out by others. Second, Debian has a good history for not following RMS blindly (look at the debian-legal mailing list and the declaration of the GFDL as non-free). Third, Debian has a large contrib and a (not so large) non-free section, which includes stuff you won't find on a standard Redhat or Suse (reports about an unusable xine player on Suse come to my mind).
Debian for example was never designed to work with java and you will have to accomodate a lot of things in order to run Java programs without problmes I thought Java is cross-platform - so why do I have to tweak the whole system for it (obviously, this comment is plain wrong - put blackdown.org in your sources.list, accept the License agreement and there you go).
Oh yeah there is also no mp3 support in Debian and Ubuntu but that's a whole other can of worms. I just need to kick my computer for playing mp3s under Debian just fine - don't know how this stupid system ist able to play them - perhaps because apt-get install mpg321 just did it.
Now, for encoding you are well aware that there are patents on this, aren't you? Anyway, either use toolame (no patent problem, but only layer 2) or use Marillat's package.
Or using apt-get to uninstall? There's ALWAYS remnants.
Well, at least for.debs, this is a bug. Period. A package might leave something behind in my home directory (personal settings,...), but everything on the system itself muss be cleared, if I purge the package (You knov the difference between apt-get remove and apt-get --purge remove?).
Rule of thumb is really to not use Debian stable on system where you acutally want to work on
Funny. I use it on my desktop at home exclusively (as does my girlfriend). You know, I have a life besides computers and don't want to update my system every now and then.
(Recently switched from StarOffice 5.2 to 7.0, because it handles.doc better - that and a recent Opera are probably the only not-outdated packages on the system.)
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So why do you blame the unwillingness of your administrators onto Debian?
backports.org provides packages for the stable release by Debian Developers. What more do you want? Shall they come to your university and hold your administrator's hands during the update?
They did. As Ubuntu already had the splendid idea of saving the root[1] password in plain text on the hard disk, they just needed to come up with something different.
[1] root as in 'the first user' who can use sudo.
I've only skimmed the discussion, but it seems to boil down to this:
Nobody is willing to take the extra burden of another driver outside of the vanilla kernel and for some reason, the module is not included in the vanilla kernel. While I agree with you that it would be nice to have such drivers, I also see the maintainers' point of not letting more work on their shoulders.
Ehm, in that part of the interview he's talking about "randomised memory allocation", not about sensors.
> They are currently on 3.3 (not 4... not 3.4... 3.3!). :)
Switching from 3.3 to 3.4 *is* the hard part -- the ABI change for C++ happens there. Going from 3.4 to 4.0 might break some software, but that usually is an upstream problem.
> Why couldn't they contact the blender, audacity, vlc or csound maintainers for instance?
g 00153.html 5 /07/msg00001.html
You mean, like in this email in April:
http://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2005/04/ms
or that one in July?
http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/200
(Debian Developers are expected to read both of these lists)
> The truth is that sound is autodetected and automatically set up by Ubuntu at install time for the vast majority of hardware.
b b92da29c02203193ac2fa6d2cfb90064959bec
/etc/apt/sources.list configuration file to replace all instances of 'warty' with 'hoary.' You can then go aboutupdating and upgrading to Hoary with apt, aptitude or synaptic as you would normally."
"However, many third party applications not in Ubuntu *main* aren't designed to use esd to access the card." (emphasis done be me)
https://wiki.ubuntu.com//RestrictedFormats#head-5
The part about no autodetecting of sound hardware in Windows is also wrong. If drivers are available, the sound hardware works (we can now discuss about driver availability on the Windows CD, but that's not the point).
> I don't know why you had to do that either. Because you don't. Choose Settings > Repositories from the menu. Are you making up lies on purpose?
"To install Hoary, you may edit your
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GuideToHoary
> I think his punishment should fit the crime, but then again I wouldn't want this kid anywhere near my systems unsupervised. So what would a suitable punishment be, not only is it for his crime, but also as a detterent to others.
The basic idea of German law with regards to youth is education, not punishment.
The importance of deterent can be seen quite clearly in the United States, where the death penalty exists in most states and still there are much more murders than in Germany.
> I can still get the code, modify it and distribute my changes. Who cares what I have to call it?
If you had *read* the discussion on the Debian list, you would have known that this is exactly the point: wether they must rename (better: rebrand) it or wether there's a way around it.
> If you are distributing what Debian distribute you can call it Debian. If you want to do something different, call it something else.
Actually no. If you publish the original Debian, it's an "official release" and you can use the Debian swirl logo together with the "magic lamp". If you make a derived version, it's a "vendor release". You can still use the swirl, but without the "magic lamp".
http://www.debian.org/logos/
http://www.debian.org/CD/vendors/
Please note that on both logos you can use the word "Debian".
The problem here arises because AFAIK the Mozilla Foundation has no such strategy, i.e. there's no name that distributors can take if they change the sources.
> And today, most of us should have a DVD drive anyway, dont we?
I regularly use Knoppix to boot systems where the installed OS doesn't work anymore (or must be replaced and I don't have a login for the current OS). You don't expect me to attach a DVD drive to each of these systems?
46 days since the maintainer asked for help moving a package with 0 outstanding bugs from unstable into testingb apache2-mod-fastcgi
Well, if it has no bugs, why isn't it built on all architectures? http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=li
You are aware of the fact that in 1999, English was only third in the list of languages spoken natively by people around the globe?t /2001/0195/
http://www.unipublic.unizh.ch/magazin/gesellschaf
(It's in German). Even if you take the non-native english speakers, mandarin still wins.
> Is Debian's release cycle truly so slow that what appears to be an honest curiosity is modded as a troll?w hich is probably an earlier release candidate).
As Debian sid is the unstable branch of Debian, the release cycle is pretty unimportant for gcc's inclusion. Looking at the experimental branch, you'll find gcc 4.0 already included: http://packages.debian.org/experimental/devel/
(
In sid itself exists a snapshot of gcc as of 20050319.
> IMHO is just like when RMS had to use propietary tools to start developing GNU ...
Now imagine if RMS's favorite editor at that time had had a license which would have prohibited writing a better editor (even when using yet another editor for that)
Well, your description of Saarland is a little bit too good (I am sitting in the same building as the graphics group). There is only a small part where wine grapes are planted (I come from there) and there are actually only two big rivers (the "Saar" - yeah, I know, big surprise and the "Mosel", where the wine region is). To give the rest of /. a measure - the Mosel has approx. 10 km in the Saarland, afterwards it continues in Rheinland-Pfalz.
That said, it sure is a nice area.
About your rally - I am not sure, after reading on wrc.com it will surely be close; but I don't know wether it's really in Saarland.
Okay, I checked (http://www.rallye-deutschland.de/). There will be part of it in Saarland (St. Wendel), but I doubt you will see the Saar.
First, sorry for the bad formatting in my previos posting - I should have used the preview.
:) ) and it works.
> The problem with OO is that you have to manually create the "reference" in order to cross-reference.
I don't know about word, but in LaTeX you have to write a "\label" command - after all, the program must know what you wish to reference.
> And then I'm not sure if it automatically updates the numbering too.
I can assure you, it does - I've used this for my girlfriend's thesis (I was some sort of technical consultant
> Maybe your friends need to be able to cross-reference numbered sections or headings. You mean something like: ".. as we've seen in chapter X on page Y'? Sorry to say, OO.org does this; if I remember correctly, it was already in SO 5.2. Now, for Bibtex: Is there a tool for word for using Bibtex? I would be interested in it (not personally, as I run Linux, but all others are using Windows). Comparing LaTex and Word is just like apples and oranges.
I suggest you reread his posting:
> Now I've turned to Debian.
> We can use stable for the servers and testing for the workstations
While I don't know RHEL, I doubt that it is as up to date as Debian testing (which need not be a bad sign).
> Step 3: Wait, reboot machine
> Step 4: Create user, and BAM your done.
You forgot to mention that
a) You need to repeat step 3 for almost every installation of software (including printer drivers)
b) The time you save during installation is nothing compared to keep this system free of any sort of virus.
You don't see RMS going after ghostscript despite it not using the GPL.
No? Well, that's probably because GNU Ghostscript was released under GPL about 6 months after the Aladdin version - for years. http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~ghost/doc/gnu/index.htmThink of what will happen the first time the GPL is challenged in court
You are aware that there were already ' provisional injunctions' (I hope the translator got it right) in Germany based upon the GPL? http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/49377 (sorry, couldn't find it in English)Debian and more specifically Ubuntu are Stallman's favourite distro because Debian has the exact same fanatic ideas about the software word as Stalman does.
Eh, no! First, Ubuntu is not RMS's favorite distro as pointed out by others. Second, Debian has a good history for not following RMS blindly (look at the debian-legal mailing list and the declaration of the GFDL as non-free). Third, Debian has a large contrib and a (not so large) non-free section, which includes stuff you won't find on a standard Redhat or Suse (reports about an unusable xine player on Suse come to my mind).
Debian for example was never designed to work with java and you will have to accomodate a lot of things in order to run Java programs without problmes
I thought Java is cross-platform - so why do I have to tweak the whole system for it (obviously, this comment is plain wrong - put blackdown.org in your sources.list, accept the License agreement and there you go).
Oh yeah there is also no mp3 support in Debian and Ubuntu but that's a whole other can of worms.
I just need to kick my computer for playing mp3s under Debian just fine - don't know how this stupid system ist able to play them - perhaps because apt-get install mpg321 just did it.
Now, for encoding you are well aware that there are patents on this, aren't you? Anyway, either use toolame (no patent problem, but only layer 2) or use Marillat's package.
Or using apt-get to uninstall? There's ALWAYS remnants.
.debs, this is a bug. Period. A package might leave something behind in my home directory (personal settings,...), but everything on the system itself muss be cleared, if I purge the package (You knov the difference between apt-get remove and apt-get --purge remove?).
Well, at least for
Funny. I use it on my desktop at home exclusively (as does my girlfriend). You know, I have a life besides computers and don't want to update my system every now and then.
(Recently switched from StarOffice 5.2 to 7.0, because it handles .doc better - that and a recent Opera are probably the only not-outdated packages on the system.)