Obfuscation through XML must be there goal. Obfuscation of their work that is...
I see no other real purpose for XML in MOST real world enterprise apps. I cannot understand why someone would ever WANT to use XML for ANYTHING if they didn't HAVE to. Other than data packaging and in some instances SOAP implemetations for web services for delivery to INET consumers, XML is an effort in BLOAT.
Even then, if you data is strictly for proprietary use, never to be shared with the world (which 90% of the products out there are), then I would never BLOAT my designs by implementing XML. What purpose does it serve? If you are not implementing SOAP for a multi-platform system, and you are not sharing your data with the world, it makes no sense to use XML AT ALL.
Give me Beans or COM objects any day, easier to read, write, and understand. TYVM!!!
alright then, start your business and get me wireless access where I live, about 30 miles from anywhere. Lets see if you make any $$.
--Stupid right-wing nut jobs calling communism at every turn -- .
Business CANT ALWAYS be the solution, it sometimes just doesnt make sense.
Frankly, I am sick of this argument. The ability to build infrastructure and make the internet available to all communities has been in existence for many years now, and yet, SOOOO much of this country still has either NO access at all, or ONLY ONE provider offering unreasonably high rates for dial-up access.
So, why is this the case?? Because corporations see no profit in connecting sattelite locations off of major hubs, period. They WONT do it, regardless of the level of bureaucracy. Lets face it, no corporation is going to shell out $1 million dollars for returns of a few thousand per year (at best). That would be stupid. However, the government can do this with properly allocated tax revenue, and, if done intelligently, can actually REDUCE the tax burden on its citizenry over the long term.
"would you rather have a little bit slow execution for now or a fundamentally flawed security paradigm?"
No!!! As you point out so clearly, processor speed and environment changes every 18 months. Apps I write have an equivalent lifespan. Few apps I know of have much more of a lifespan than that. I want it as fast, and as capable as need be to meet:
a) deadline
b) customer expectations
c) budget
'Not necessarily' in that order. Java is a GREAT, robust language, but there are penalties to it. Give me FAST, flexible, RAD, design with a security hit any day.
Personally, I love Python, though admittedly I do not do much work in it. Borland Delphi is nice for the quick and dirty apps, I like the company, and it saves me the time having to muck with all the low-level C. Can I do it... sure... but why would I reinvent the wheel over and over and over and over.....
Agree 200%!!!
I often find it amusing when I hear people suggest taking an unpaid internship while in college to gain your experience. What a WASTE OF TIME!!
Like you, I worked all through college in a warehouse loading and unloading trucks. What an experience!!
I eventually, after several years, decided to enter their entry-level management program while still attending college. THAT was a good move. My understanding of logistics and industry grew dramatically. All the while, I was EARNING MONEY, which is the ONLY reason you work for someone else anyway.
My experiences, when I finally graduated with my CS degree, enabled me to apply my knowledge of industry to the real world, making me a very pragmattic and capable programmer.
Knowing someone MAY get you a job, but it WONT help you keep it. GOOD Employers don't care who you know, but WHAT you know. Those are the employers I seek out when I am on the search. And, to answer the original post, those ads are just pure B.S., generally put together by an HR rep., not an IT manager. Send your resume to ANYONE posting a JOB. Once\If your resume makes it to the IT Manager, if they are at all interested, you will hear from them.
"what constitutes a liveable wage varies enormously around the world"
Agreed!
"My wife is Chinese"
My wife is Russian. I also have first hand knowledge of living conditions around the world, as well as the "expected standard of living". I also understand how peoples perceptions of this "standard" dramatically fluctuates from one nation to another.
"their standard of living is way below what we'd consider to be acceptable in the west, but it's leaps and bounds above the average in that country"
This gets to the root of the issue. Perhaps it is idealism, but I think the "average" as you call it is being applied (inappropriately in most cases) through governmental policies toward business at a national level. These policies need to be "influenced" to ensure that they meet a level acceptable to "western society". If in fact we are to argue that the standard of living of the western individual is the acceptable "norm". I do not know about you, but I certainly would not want my "average acceptable standard of living" measured on the same standards as the Chinese, which is where we are headed unless things begin to change. NOTE::: This is not a cultural remark, simply an economic one.
Following this logic to its natural conclusion, one can infer that, in the absence of an "international standard measurement" of the "average acceptable standard of living", countries must, to ensure their own economic vitality, levy tariffs and taxes on a national AND CORPORATE level, to ensure that the incentive is their for countries to RAISE their citizen's "average acceptable standard of living" to an acceptable level.
"Of course free trade should also be fair trade. But what's fair in one country isn't necesserily even attainable for most people in another, and you can't improve conditions in a country by denying them the opportunity to compete internationaly for work."
Agreed! However, the discussion is not about disallowing or barring individuals from other societies to compete. I myself am striclt opposed to such ideas. The discussion concerns preventing corporate marauders from unfairly exploiting the disparate living conditions in other nations simply to improve the "bottom line". Corporations that engage in such practices, and those governments that allow such practices to take place, need to be held accountable. The only way I know of, in how to make a corporation "feel" responsible, and take responsiblity for its workers, is to levy tariffs against them for unfair labor practice violations, environmetally unsound practices, etc..., forcing them to become "good GLOBAL citizens".
" Americans still seem very unwilling to allow that other human beings have any right to fair treatment at all."
Nonsense. In fact, I would argue, that the exact OPPOSITE sentiment is being echoed here. In the "so-called" third world countries, there are no labor laws, there are no environmental laws, there are no industry regulations in place such as exist in the U.S. The american citizenry realized long ago that corporations are oblivious to their environment. They exist to make money, period. In order to ENSURE a healthy, fair, and sustainable standard of living, the citizenry enacts policies to reign-in corporate abuse of labor\environment\etc...
NOW, in order to circumvent these policies, the corporations are moving to regions with more hospitible regulation. The american people see this not only as a means of eluding good public policy, but also as a explotation of same. These "3rd-world countries" need to step up and sign on to the same environmental and labor regulations as is established in the U.S..
Do that, and see just how many corporations leave our shores.
THAT is the CORE issue.
Geez, your absolutely right. What have I been thinking all this time. That's just what I'm going to do.
Let me quick pay off the two credit cards that sustained me for that last 11 months after being laid-off from my IT job, where I made financial commits such as a mortgage, new vehicle loan, and oh yes, my child, who consumes every remaining dollar I earn either through day to day expenses or through the 1000's of dollars per year I have to pay for child care so someone is watching him, while both my wife (who also is well educated without a good job) and I work 15 hours a day at pathetically paying jobs so we can pay off the huge student loan payments, mortgage, vehicle loans, and EVERY OTHER bill that seems to go up every year by 50% (i.e. heating costs, electricity, etc...), and then I will take ALL that money that is left over and buy a large chunk of.... oh wait... thats not going to work is it??!!?? I think your position needs rethinking.
As for me, I am more oftening thinking I should have become a farmer. No educational costs which are already obsolete and useless, and, at least they are getting government subsidies.
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Obfuscation through XML must be there goal. Obfuscation of their work that is... I see no other real purpose for XML in MOST real world enterprise apps. I cannot understand why someone would ever WANT to use XML for ANYTHING if they didn't HAVE to. Other than data packaging and in some instances SOAP implemetations for web services for delivery to INET consumers, XML is an effort in BLOAT. Even then, if you data is strictly for proprietary use, never to be shared with the world (which 90% of the products out there are), then I would never BLOAT my designs by implementing XML. What purpose does it serve? If you are not implementing SOAP for a multi-platform system, and you are not sharing your data with the world, it makes no sense to use XML AT ALL. Give me Beans or COM objects any day, easier to read, write, and understand. TYVM!!!
Wouldn' it be smarter to design something along the lines of: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3576594. stm/
alright then, start your business and get me wireless access where I live, about 30 miles from anywhere. Lets see if you make any $$. --Stupid right-wing nut jobs calling communism at every turn -- . Business CANT ALWAYS be the solution, it sometimes just doesnt make sense.
Frankly, I am sick of this argument. The ability to build infrastructure and make the internet available to all communities has been in existence for many years now, and yet, SOOOO much of this country still has either NO access at all, or ONLY ONE provider offering unreasonably high rates for dial-up access.
So, why is this the case?? Because corporations see no profit in connecting sattelite locations off of major hubs, period. They WONT do it, regardless of the level of bureaucracy. Lets face it, no corporation is going to shell out $1 million dollars for returns of a few thousand per year (at best). That would be stupid. However, the government can do this with properly allocated tax revenue, and, if done intelligently, can actually REDUCE the tax burden on its citizenry over the long term.
"would you rather have a little bit slow execution for now or a fundamentally flawed security paradigm?" No!!! As you point out so clearly, processor speed and environment changes every 18 months. Apps I write have an equivalent lifespan. Few apps I know of have much more of a lifespan than that. I want it as fast, and as capable as need be to meet: a) deadline b) customer expectations c) budget 'Not necessarily' in that order. Java is a GREAT, robust language, but there are penalties to it. Give me FAST, flexible, RAD, design with a security hit any day. Personally, I love Python, though admittedly I do not do much work in it. Borland Delphi is nice for the quick and dirty apps, I like the company, and it saves me the time having to muck with all the low-level C. Can I do it... sure... but why would I reinvent the wheel over and over and over and over.....
Agree 200%!!! I often find it amusing when I hear people suggest taking an unpaid internship while in college to gain your experience. What a WASTE OF TIME!! Like you, I worked all through college in a warehouse loading and unloading trucks. What an experience!! I eventually, after several years, decided to enter their entry-level management program while still attending college. THAT was a good move. My understanding of logistics and industry grew dramatically. All the while, I was EARNING MONEY, which is the ONLY reason you work for someone else anyway. My experiences, when I finally graduated with my CS degree, enabled me to apply my knowledge of industry to the real world, making me a very pragmattic and capable programmer. Knowing someone MAY get you a job, but it WONT help you keep it. GOOD Employers don't care who you know, but WHAT you know. Those are the employers I seek out when I am on the search. And, to answer the original post, those ads are just pure B.S., generally put together by an HR rep., not an IT manager. Send your resume to ANYONE posting a JOB. Once\If your resume makes it to the IT Manager, if they are at all interested, you will hear from them.
"what constitutes a liveable wage varies enormously around the world" Agreed! "My wife is Chinese" My wife is Russian. I also have first hand knowledge of living conditions around the world, as well as the "expected standard of living". I also understand how peoples perceptions of this "standard" dramatically fluctuates from one nation to another. "their standard of living is way below what we'd consider to be acceptable in the west, but it's leaps and bounds above the average in that country" This gets to the root of the issue. Perhaps it is idealism, but I think the "average" as you call it is being applied (inappropriately in most cases) through governmental policies toward business at a national level. These policies need to be "influenced" to ensure that they meet a level acceptable to "western society". If in fact we are to argue that the standard of living of the western individual is the acceptable "norm". I do not know about you, but I certainly would not want my "average acceptable standard of living" measured on the same standards as the Chinese, which is where we are headed unless things begin to change. NOTE::: This is not a cultural remark, simply an economic one. Following this logic to its natural conclusion, one can infer that, in the absence of an "international standard measurement" of the "average acceptable standard of living", countries must, to ensure their own economic vitality, levy tariffs and taxes on a national AND CORPORATE level, to ensure that the incentive is their for countries to RAISE their citizen's "average acceptable standard of living" to an acceptable level. "Of course free trade should also be fair trade. But what's fair in one country isn't necesserily even attainable for most people in another, and you can't improve conditions in a country by denying them the opportunity to compete internationaly for work." Agreed! However, the discussion is not about disallowing or barring individuals from other societies to compete. I myself am striclt opposed to such ideas. The discussion concerns preventing corporate marauders from unfairly exploiting the disparate living conditions in other nations simply to improve the "bottom line". Corporations that engage in such practices, and those governments that allow such practices to take place, need to be held accountable. The only way I know of, in how to make a corporation "feel" responsible, and take responsiblity for its workers, is to levy tariffs against them for unfair labor practice violations, environmetally unsound practices, etc..., forcing them to become "good GLOBAL citizens".
Yeah, and to even it out, Tom can deliver newpapers to the Indians.
" Americans still seem very unwilling to allow that other human beings have any right to fair treatment at all." Nonsense. In fact, I would argue, that the exact OPPOSITE sentiment is being echoed here. In the "so-called" third world countries, there are no labor laws, there are no environmental laws, there are no industry regulations in place such as exist in the U.S. The american citizenry realized long ago that corporations are oblivious to their environment. They exist to make money, period. In order to ENSURE a healthy, fair, and sustainable standard of living, the citizenry enacts policies to reign-in corporate abuse of labor\environment\etc... NOW, in order to circumvent these policies, the corporations are moving to regions with more hospitible regulation. The american people see this not only as a means of eluding good public policy, but also as a explotation of same. These "3rd-world countries" need to step up and sign on to the same environmental and labor regulations as is established in the U.S.. Do that, and see just how many corporations leave our shores. THAT is the CORE issue.
Geez, your absolutely right. What have I been thinking all this time. That's just what I'm going to do.
.... oh wait... thats not going to work is it??!!?? I think your position needs rethinking.
Let me quick pay off the two credit cards that sustained me for that last 11 months after being laid-off from my IT job, where I made financial commits such as a mortgage, new vehicle loan, and oh yes, my child, who consumes every remaining dollar I earn either through day to day expenses or through the 1000's of dollars per year I have to pay for child care so someone is watching him, while both my wife (who also is well educated without a good job) and I work 15 hours a day at pathetically paying jobs so we can pay off the huge student loan payments, mortgage, vehicle loans, and EVERY OTHER bill that seems to go up every year by 50% (i.e. heating costs, electricity, etc...), and then I will take ALL that money that is left over and buy a large chunk of
As for me, I am more oftening thinking I should have become a farmer. No educational costs which are already obsolete and useless, and, at least they are getting government subsidies.