Do you have any specifics on what tests the scientists have done or links to a site with more specifics? Tests for EMP, radio signal, siesmic, etc.
I've been browsing this news for a few days. All the information that I have seen has been very general. I'm sure others here are curious for specifics also.
Didn't realize there was a problem. I thought it was just a discussion of differing philosophies. I think of that as a benefit of an enlightened society - not to require mioptic thought.
I assumed personal autonomy was a given. I always forget that there are people out there that allow themselves to be lead by the nose by the philosophies of others without a critical thought in their head. It is foreign to me. I generally question everything and so do most of the people I talk to. I wouldn't have developed my own strong opinions if I didn't.
I use "compel" in the sense of "powerfully influences" because I don't believe in irresistible influence. I don't think that it can be argued whether graphics have a more powerful influence than text, and multimedia more so.
As for personal responsibility, I take personal responsibility for my actions and reactions concerning what I see and feel, as well as what I choose to consistantly expose myself to.
Most important, I take personal responsiblity for the society that I help develop for future generations and what will be exposed to the developing minds of children. I take responsibility to make sure that my kids have the opportunity to develop critical thinking and broad spectrum analysis before being forced into a situation to defend their actions and desires when they haven't prepared themselves or drawn their opinions. I also want them to stay humble enough that they can consider new insights and have epiphanies without being trapped by the dogma of the masses, philosophers or sects.
I would never want to think that I had placed my kids in a situation where they began to defend and react or succumb to propaganda before they had developed the mental tools to escape and develop their own critical thoughts. Then they would be subject to being led by the nose by anyone that spouted half baked philosophies to their own defense and benefit. They could become what is so foreign to me - people who have no minds of their own and blindly follow the convenient slavery of the norm.
Regardless of the variances in opinion, I appreciate that you take a fervor in personal responsibility and autonomous thinking and that you can discuss your opinions. I wish more people could voice their opinions in a forum of differing opinions without getting defensive.
Thanks for the dialog. I'm intrigued. (poor pun, but true to myself)
Can't access imdb.com here at work but the key word here is "promote". I may/should have left out the word "excitement". If it contains images that promote abuse for entertainment, I personally lean to the side of destroying it.
I also didn't want to take the space to address every aspect of the issue.
If that happens to be a good documentary, keep it. Good documentaries show a balanced view of the happenings as opposed to expose's and propaganda that only show what is promoted. My opinion is that porno falls under "sex propaganda". Snuff films - murder propaganda, child porn, rape, etc......respective propaganda. I have no use for detrimental propaganda. I would even go so far as to say that although I didn't personally care for "Boogie Nights", I can understand the argument for it's value in the balance that it showed.
If it is strongly disputed, restrict it. Let future generations decide for themselves while having developed on material that we deemed most beneficial to them. IMO, people who want propaganda forced into the public view most often want the world to change to their view so they can be comfortable in it.
I have no problem with discussion of abuse, arguments for abuse, dispute of what is abuse, but if an image promotes joy in something that society deems as abusive, I see very little value in keeping it. People seem to have the strangest desire to value the vile and base while ridiculing that which enlightens, inspires and uplifts. How many great, inspiring works of art have passed away into nothing. I couldn't compare the destruction of the library at Alexandria or the Incan libraries by the Spanish with the destruction of every porno movie ever created. The loss would be judged by what the future became.
Too many people seem to think that being drawn to sociopathic behavior is good art. Art serves a function. It compels us. If that compulsion is to abuse, it should be destroyed.
My opinion must be balanced with the rest of society. Hard and fast rules don't work on such subjective decisions. Choosing what we pass to future generations to shape their society is a delicate issue that individuals and sects in history have frequently failed miserably. If the entire populous truly voices it's opinion, the best usually prevails. That doesn't even happen in our society. The Internet is the best salvation to that dream that I have seen yet. The biggest problem that I have seen is that people who feels that something is wrong without a huge passion behind it get drowned out by the few that are motivated the other way. That concept applies in so many places that it is a standard....a few greedmongers screw the public for copyright benefits and the public is passive...a few powermongers subject a nation to dictatorship because the public was passive...a few sexmongers promote porno and the porn lifestyle and the public is passive.
Alot of people would argue the entertainment/thought provoking value of "Natural Born Killers". The victims & families of copycat crimes would rather the movie had never been released. Is the viewing pleasure of that piece of entertainment worth the results? Most people are too cautious to take a stance at that. People who would promote it aren't cautious. They think that a few people's lives is worth it.
This still isn't every aspect of my view on the issue. I'm not writing the book yet. It just all boils down to a string of thoughts in a general direction of where I take my kids.
I'm tempted to post Anonymous because I'll probably be flamed/modded into oblivion within seconds of posting. But... what the hell.
I personally am not worried about actions against porn. If it were gone, I wouldn't really care. IMO ideas, ideals, thoughts, beliefs, inspirations, etc... must not be censored whether I believe them or not. Artwork - images to evoke a reaction (wherever that reaction may be) is up to society as a whole to compromise on what is an acceptable standard. Images that promote excitement about abuse of rights or innocence (child porn, bestiality, rape, torture) need to be destroyed and their producers disabled from ever creating it again.
The huge pro-porn posts on here are incredibly defensive. I'm happlily married with a bunch of kids and don't have any obsession with porn that needs to be defended.
Porn to me is a small piece of reality torn out of context. Refined beyond benefit. It is like drugs, refined sugars, white flour. People try it and say "I like it. And it didn't kill me. Everyone is full of crap when they said this is bad for me."
Those that keep that attitude and show no restraint end up OD'd, too fat to get through the bedroom door or dying of a myriad of complications and diseases. They also often greive everyone that cares about them.
Sex is a perfectly good thing and so is the human body. I teach my kids that. I don't have any problem with real art that portrays the form of the body for what it is. I don't have any problem with my kids seeing the naked indian tribes on National Geo channel. I don't have a problem with my wife nursing in public. I don't have a problem with "lady justice" statues.
I do have a problem with the sex based purpose of dating in movies and tv, sex in commercials, and in general, the huge obsession that our society puts on sex. It is ONLY a good part of a full life.
People who sit in at a computer for hours (days, months, decades) at a time browsing porn really need to get out and meet real people, contribute to society and get involved. There is alot more out there. Every relationship that I have ever seen that lasted was based on a broad spectrum of things that sex was only a part.
Many relationships that I have seen fail ended with "he/she cheated on me", "the sex was great but there was nothing else", "we just weren't in love anymore".
The whole obsession with romance and sex is crap. marriages last longer in countries where they are arranged. They understand choosing to love instead of "falling" in love.
When my kids are forming their ideas about relationships, I don't want them pushed into a fictional, fractional view of what will be. I don't want them to think that porn is what life is about.
I also don't want them living in the kind of world that I see now where the 6 year old kid down the street gets mollested by the neighbor kid because the neighbor kid saw something "really cool" that his father had videos of.
...and yet they allow windows to be exported which can be used by hostile governments to control and link together communications of their defense networks in...
Posted by those_left_behind on Thursday April 01, @12:06PM
from the real-submissions-unedited dept.
from AP Newswire: A humorless group of secret service agents shut down slashdot.org for almost 2 hours today while computer forensic analysts tore apart servers and examined archived posts concerning a rumored "open source missle guidance software" project.
Agents permitted resumption of services after dragging an unidentified individual out of the company's offices who was screaming "It is april fools day! It was just a joke! It was funny!"
Leonard McButcheeks, press agent for the Dept. of Homeland Security stated "we will investigate this situation further but the US Secret Service does not have a sense of humor as far as we know."
What if the copyright registration was as simple and inexpensive as mailing yourself a letter?
Consider the idea of an internet based registration process. It also allows for a central archive that could be searched for information. (Library of Congress)
The registration removes alot of disputes and gives a solid reference to compare for plagerism/copyright infringement. It also gets those hundred songs/poems out to benefit the public where they won't just disappear in a house fire or molding in a chest in the attic.
If the music or ideas are ahead of their time, that may be very valuable to a future generation. I wonder how many truly excellent works have been lost because someone didn't think that it was worth the trouble of publishing. Tolkien wasn't sure that LOTR was worth publishing but friends convinced him to give it a shot.
We have a dual boot win 95/Mandrake 9.2 machine in our living room. The Linux was installed by my 10 year old son. I handed him the disks and he just did it. After installing it, he found an html editor that he wanted, downloaded the rpm, clicked it to start the install, I typed in the root password and he finished it. Not much difficulty in configuration.
My 5 year old loves it. He has his own login and has figured out how to copy his favorite games to the menu bar (sometimes 2 and 3 copies) and how to delete them. His 3 year old brother gets the 5 year old to log in for him to play the games too.
My 8 year old is having a great time figuring out the Gimp and putting his own graphics on his background.
The wife (quite computer illiterate) doesn't bother rebooting into windows anymore to check her email or to use openoffice and actually boots into Linux for the solitaire games. At this point, I would ditch the windows if I had a good replacement for MS Money. (I want to see quicken on Linux yet)
I personally think the biggest configuration issue is that computers aren't sold with Linux already on them.
Excellent idea!
I would love to read an article that points out the technical design superiority of Windows over Linux in kernel processes and memory management...from a Windows Insider/magazine site!
Where can I find such an article? I take it that you know of such an article?
No? Oh... well... let me know when you find one.
Slashdot Mirror
I've been browsing this news for a few days. All the information that I have seen has been very general. I'm sure others here are curious for specifics also.
I assumed personal autonomy was a given. I always forget that there are people out there that allow themselves to be lead by the nose by the philosophies of others without a critical thought in their head. It is foreign to me. I generally question everything and so do most of the people I talk to. I wouldn't have developed my own strong opinions if I didn't.
I use "compel" in the sense of "powerfully influences" because I don't believe in irresistible influence. I don't think that it can be argued whether graphics have a more powerful influence than text, and multimedia more so.
As for personal responsibility, I take personal responsibility for my actions and reactions concerning what I see and feel, as well as what I choose to consistantly expose myself to.
Most important, I take personal responsiblity for the society that I help develop for future generations and what will be exposed to the developing minds of children. I take responsibility to make sure that my kids have the opportunity to develop critical thinking and broad spectrum analysis before being forced into a situation to defend their actions and desires when they haven't prepared themselves or drawn their opinions. I also want them to stay humble enough that they can consider new insights and have epiphanies without being trapped by the dogma of the masses, philosophers or sects.
I would never want to think that I had placed my kids in a situation where they began to defend and react or succumb to propaganda before they had developed the mental tools to escape and develop their own critical thoughts. Then they would be subject to being led by the nose by anyone that spouted half baked philosophies to their own defense and benefit. They could become what is so foreign to me - people who have no minds of their own and blindly follow the convenient slavery of the norm.
Regardless of the variances in opinion, I appreciate that you take a fervor in personal responsibility and autonomous thinking and that you can discuss your opinions. I wish more people could voice their opinions in a forum of differing opinions without getting defensive.
Didn't you read the article? They are studying primates. Not reptiles.
Can't access imdb.com here at work but the key word here is "promote". I may/should have left out the word "excitement". If it contains images that promote abuse for entertainment, I personally lean to the side of destroying it.
I also didn't want to take the space to address every aspect of the issue.
If that happens to be a good documentary, keep it. Good documentaries show a balanced view of the happenings as opposed to expose's and propaganda that only show what is promoted. My opinion is that porno falls under "sex propaganda". Snuff films - murder propaganda, child porn, rape, etc... ...respective propaganda. I have no use for detrimental propaganda. I would even go so far as to say that although I didn't personally care for "Boogie Nights", I can understand the argument for it's value in the balance that it showed.
If it is strongly disputed, restrict it. Let future generations decide for themselves while having developed on material that we deemed most beneficial to them. IMO, people who want propaganda forced into the public view most often want the world to change to their view so they can be comfortable in it.
I have no problem with discussion of abuse, arguments for abuse, dispute of what is abuse, but if an image promotes joy in something that society deems as abusive, I see very little value in keeping it. People seem to have the strangest desire to value the vile and base while ridiculing that which enlightens, inspires and uplifts. How many great, inspiring works of art have passed away into nothing. I couldn't compare the destruction of the library at Alexandria or the Incan libraries by the Spanish with the destruction of every porno movie ever created. The loss would be judged by what the future became.
Too many people seem to think that being drawn to sociopathic behavior is good art. Art serves a function. It compels us. If that compulsion is to abuse, it should be destroyed.
My opinion must be balanced with the rest of society. Hard and fast rules don't work on such subjective decisions. Choosing what we pass to future generations to shape their society is a delicate issue that individuals and sects in history have frequently failed miserably. If the entire populous truly voices it's opinion, the best usually prevails. That doesn't even happen in our society. The Internet is the best salvation to that dream that I have seen yet. The biggest problem that I have seen is that people who feels that something is wrong without a huge passion behind it get drowned out by the few that are motivated the other way. That concept applies in so many places that it is a standard. ...a few greedmongers screw the public for copyright benefits and the public is passive ...a few powermongers subject a nation to dictatorship because the public was passive ...a few sexmongers promote porno and the porn lifestyle and the public is passive.
Alot of people would argue the entertainment/thought provoking value of "Natural Born Killers". The victims & families of copycat crimes would rather the movie had never been released. Is the viewing pleasure of that piece of entertainment worth the results? Most people are too cautious to take a stance at that. People who would promote it aren't cautious. They think that a few people's lives is worth it.
This still isn't every aspect of my view on the issue. I'm not writing the book yet. It just all boils down to a string of thoughts in a general direction of where I take my kids.
I personally am not worried about actions against porn. If it were gone, I wouldn't really care. IMO ideas, ideals, thoughts, beliefs, inspirations, etc... must not be censored whether I believe them or not. Artwork - images to evoke a reaction (wherever that reaction may be) is up to society as a whole to compromise on what is an acceptable standard. Images that promote excitement about abuse of rights or innocence (child porn, bestiality, rape, torture) need to be destroyed and their producers disabled from ever creating it again.
The huge pro-porn posts on here are incredibly defensive. I'm happlily married with a bunch of kids and don't have any obsession with porn that needs to be defended.
Porn to me is a small piece of reality torn out of context. Refined beyond benefit. It is like drugs, refined sugars, white flour. People try it and say "I like it. And it didn't kill me. Everyone is full of crap when they said this is bad for me."
Those that keep that attitude and show no restraint end up OD'd, too fat to get through the bedroom door or dying of a myriad of complications and diseases. They also often greive everyone that cares about them.
Sex is a perfectly good thing and so is the human body. I teach my kids that. I don't have any problem with real art that portrays the form of the body for what it is. I don't have any problem with my kids seeing the naked indian tribes on National Geo channel. I don't have a problem with my wife nursing in public. I don't have a problem with "lady justice" statues.
I do have a problem with the sex based purpose of dating in movies and tv, sex in commercials, and in general, the huge obsession that our society puts on sex. It is ONLY a good part of a full life.
People who sit in at a computer for hours (days, months, decades) at a time browsing porn really need to get out and meet real people, contribute to society and get involved. There is alot more out there. Every relationship that I have ever seen that lasted was based on a broad spectrum of things that sex was only a part.
Many relationships that I have seen fail ended with "he/she cheated on me", "the sex was great but there was nothing else", "we just weren't in love anymore".
The whole obsession with romance and sex is crap. marriages last longer in countries where they are arranged. They understand choosing to love instead of "falling" in love.
When my kids are forming their ideas about relationships, I don't want them pushed into a fictional, fractional view of what will be. I don't want them to think that porn is what life is about.
I also don't want them living in the kind of world that I see now where the 6 year old kid down the street gets mollested by the neighbor kid because the neighbor kid saw something "really cool" that his father had videos of.
This is my view. Flame away.
oh! I get it!
nevermind!
from the real-submissions-unedited dept.
from AP Newswire: A humorless group of secret service agents shut down slashdot.org for almost 2 hours today while computer forensic analysts tore apart servers and examined archived posts concerning a rumored "open source missle guidance software" project. Agents permitted resumption of services after dragging an unidentified individual out of the company's offices who was screaming "It is april fools day! It was just a joke! It was funny!"
Leonard McButcheeks, press agent for the Dept. of Homeland Security stated "we will investigate this situation further but the US Secret Service does not have a sense of humor as far as we know."
Consider the idea of an internet based registration process. It also allows for a central archive that could be searched for information. (Library of Congress)
The registration removes alot of disputes and gives a solid reference to compare for plagerism/copyright infringement. It also gets those hundred songs/poems out to benefit the public where they won't just disappear in a house fire or molding in a chest in the attic.
If the music or ideas are ahead of their time, that may be very valuable to a future generation. I wonder how many truly excellent works have been lost because someone didn't think that it was worth the trouble of publishing. Tolkien wasn't sure that LOTR was worth publishing but friends convinced him to give it a shot.
We have a dual boot win 95/Mandrake 9.2 machine in our living room.
The Linux was installed by my 10 year old son. I handed him the disks and he just did it. After installing it, he found an html editor that he wanted, downloaded the rpm, clicked it to start the install, I typed in the root password and he finished it.
Not much difficulty in configuration.
My 5 year old loves it. He has his own login and has figured out how to copy his favorite games to the menu bar (sometimes 2 and 3 copies) and how to delete them. His 3 year old brother gets the 5 year old to log in for him to play the games too.
My 8 year old is having a great time figuring out the Gimp and putting his own graphics on his background.
The wife (quite computer illiterate) doesn't bother rebooting into windows anymore to check her email or to use openoffice and actually boots into Linux for the solitaire games.
At this point, I would ditch the windows if I had a good replacement for MS Money. (I want to see quicken on Linux yet)
I personally think the biggest configuration issue is that computers aren't sold with Linux already on them.
Excellent idea! I would love to read an article that points out the technical design superiority of Windows over Linux in kernel processes and memory management ...from a Windows Insider/magazine site!
Where can I find such an article? I take it that you know of such an article?
No? Oh... well... let me know when you find one.