That is such bull. I support 500+ users and most of tham can't figure out Windows at all... they are completely helpless when it comes to doing anything outside of their applications (or something new in their applications)
And Windows is hardly user-proof. "Gee, I deleted my Program Files folder and now Word doesn't work. Why can't you come fix this stupid computer?"
They can't even drag and drop without screwing it up. I always end up having them open a DOS prompt and telling them what to type.
On the other hand their dummy terminals connected to the HP-UX system work perfectly, do what their supposed to do, and if they do get messed up I can easily reset them from my desk. Of course some users need a word processor, etc.; and it's them that cause 90% of support headaches. "Where did my file go?" "Windows locked up and I lost my work!" "My PC doesn't boot" "I installed AOL and now nothing works."
PCs are the biggest waste of money in a business environment with the constant support issues, lost work, and vendor-lock upgrade cycles... Wintel is the worst scam perpetrated on the business world in the last 20 years.
You might be interested in studying the HTML 4.01 specs and cascading style sheets to learn how to write clean HTML without ugly hacks like BODY attributes and formatting with line breaks.
Unfortunately, many browsers don't implement CSS very well. IE, Mozilla, and Opera do pretty well and Netscape is so-so, but older versions of all of them will suck... Nevertheless, CSS is the way to go. HTML was never meant as a style markup language, and you should use tags that reflect content rather than presentation (<em> instead of <i>); use CSS for fancy stuff, it really is easier and better once you get into it.
Im not saying you can't go to the bathroom, but on the whole, you should watch the ads.
Screw that!
The whole reason there were television commercials in the first place was because TV used to be free! Now we're paying (way to much) for cable and have to endure even more commercials!
So if you're making "flow" style documents, why the heck would you want WYSIWYG?
WYSIWYM tools like LyX are far easier. They take care of the formatting for you. Office just makes it easier for you to screw things up.
Oh yeah, I remember why I installed Linux in the first place. Try installing Win98, then MSOffice and then upgrading to IE 5.0. Now run Word. Gee, aren't illegal operations fun? You'd think (if you were a naive newbie) that since they are all MS products they'd work fine together...
Right now, Linux has no place on the desktop in my company. There are limited places where you could put Linux on the desktop and make it work.
Why not? You don't give any specific reasons. End users use applications, that's all they need to learn. Are you saying that you make your users configure their Windows machines from scratch? Set up tcp/ip and everything?
They just want to be able to play Quake and read Slashdot. At least, that's what I want to do.
Why do you feel the need to run a full-blown Unix server for this? Why not just use a Mac?
You remind me of those guys who buy a big-ass riding lawn mower to mow their tiny little patch of grass out front of their townhouse... except they usually don't complain about how hard it is to fix compared to their old push-mower.
Many posts here are bashing the concept of a UI standard or even catering to the average user.
Make newbies welcome, or face the fact they won't be coming back.
You seem to be missing the point that many of us don't care if linux takes over the desktop or the world or whatever. We don't care if Joe Blow has to live with a really crappy OS because he has no interest in learning a better crappy OS.
We want a POSIX system that doesn't cost an arm and a leg and we want the source code. We want to build a foundation for Freedom that no one can ever take away from us.
If someone wants to paste a "user friendly" environment over it then go right ahead... just don't expect us to give a shit
I think a BSD based system is the best bet for any government. They have the source and are not obligated to share any enhancements they make to the OS.
If they use a modified linux internally and are not distributing binaries they are under no obligation to publish their modifications.
I think a BSD based system is the best bet for any government. They have the source and are not obligated to share any enhancements they make to the OS.
If they use a modified linux internally and are distributing binaries they are under no obligation to publish their modifications.
You can do everything without the mouse with fvwm2. And sure, the default themes are always ugly for some reason (the fvwm people seem to be into Barbie colors!?), but it's not that hard to make it an attractive wm.
Of course this is assuming that you can stand reading a 2 MB man page;-P
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Not everyone that goes to college is fresh out of high school... I'm almost thirty years old and my "life skills" are fine, thanks.
But with a 2 year old son and a job, an online university like this would be perfect for me.
That is such bull. I support 500+ users and most of tham can't figure out Windows at all... they are completely helpless when it comes to doing anything outside of their applications (or something new in their applications)
And Windows is hardly user-proof. "Gee, I deleted my Program Files folder and now Word doesn't work. Why can't you come fix this stupid computer?"
They can't even drag and drop without screwing it up. I always end up having them open a DOS prompt and telling them what to type.
On the other hand their dummy terminals connected to the HP-UX system work perfectly, do what their supposed to do, and if they do get messed up I can easily reset them from my desk. Of course some users need a word processor, etc.; and it's them that cause 90% of support headaches. "Where did my file go?" "Windows locked up and I lost my work!" "My PC doesn't boot" "I installed AOL and now nothing works."
PCs are the biggest waste of money in a business environment with the constant support issues, lost work, and vendor-lock upgrade cycles... Wintel is the worst scam perpetrated on the business world in the last 20 years.
Please tell me you're joking...
On second thought, you're pretty damn funny either way.
Not too bad but you really should have a DTD.
You might be interested in studying the HTML 4.01 specs and cascading style sheets to learn how to write clean HTML without ugly hacks like BODY attributes and formatting with line breaks.
Unfortunately, many browsers don't implement CSS very well. IE, Mozilla, and Opera do pretty well and Netscape is so-so, but older versions of all of them will suck... Nevertheless, CSS is the way to go. HTML was never meant as a style markup language, and you should use tags that reflect content rather than presentation (<em> instead of <i>); use CSS for fancy stuff, it really is easier and better once you get into it.
What's with peoples' idiotic HTML anyway? <I>?! Whatever happened to <EM>?
HTML is not a style markup language... Is Malda trying to do his best impression of Front-Page?
Screw that!
The whole reason there were television commercials in the first place was because TV used to be free! Now we're paying (way to much) for cable and have to endure even more commercials!
Hey... do you work on Madison Avenue?
So if you're making "flow" style documents, why the heck would you want WYSIWYG?
WYSIWYM tools like LyX are far easier. They take care of the formatting for you. Office just makes it easier for you to screw things up.
Oh yeah, I remember why I installed Linux in the first place. Try installing Win98, then MSOffice and then upgrading to IE 5.0. Now run Word. Gee, aren't illegal operations fun? You'd think (if you were a naive newbie) that since they are all MS products they'd work fine together...
Why not? You don't give any specific reasons. End users use applications, that's all they need to learn. Are you saying that you make your users configure their Windows machines from scratch? Set up tcp/ip and everything?
Actually nova doesn't mean "no go", which would be childish grammar. It quite literally means "It doesn't go." :)
Why do you feel the need to run a full-blown Unix server for this? Why not just use a Mac?
You remind me of those guys who buy a big-ass riding lawn mower to mow their tiny little patch of grass out front of their townhouse... except they usually don't complain about how hard it is to fix compared to their old push-mower.
I thought Microsoft would have smarter people... especially with all the money they have.
You didn't read that EULA did you?
Many posts here are bashing the concept of a UI standard or even catering to the average user.
Make newbies welcome, or face the fact they won't be coming back.
You seem to be missing the point that many of us don't care if linux takes over the desktop or the world or whatever. We don't care if Joe Blow has to live with a really crappy OS because he has no interest in learning a better crappy OS.
We want a POSIX system that doesn't cost an arm and a leg and we want the source code. We want to build a foundation for Freedom that no one can ever take away from us.
If someone wants to paste a "user friendly" environment over it then go right ahead... just don't expect us to give a shit
You need a TT font server like xfstt!
Programmers need to be more careful what they release, and let let their s/w kill people's systems.
Err, uh, release? A year ago gnome was beta and E still is... what's your point?
Well, Windows won't let you delete c:\windows... but we knew what you meant :^)
=)
I think a BSD based system is the best bet for any government. They have the source and are not obligated to share any enhancements they make to the OS.
If they use a modified linux internally and are not distributing binaries they are under no obligation to publish their modifications.
OpenBSD would probably be more secure though.
I think a BSD based system is the best bet for any government. They have the source and are not obligated to share any enhancements they make to the OS.
If they use a modified linux internally and are distributing binaries they are under no obligation to publish their modifications.
OpenBSD would probably be more secure though.
Blackbox is pure C++ and is about the tightest and fastest window manager out there.
Many would consider a window manager too trivial to count, however.
" There are no good guys or bad guys "
What about Dr.Evil?
You can do everything without the mouse with fvwm2. And sure, the default themes are always ugly for some reason (the fvwm people seem to be into Barbie colors!?), but it's not that hard to make it an attractive wm.
Of course this is assuming that you can stand reading a 2 MB man page ;-P
Most make files have a "make uninstall", keep the source around and try that when you want to get rid of it.
'a "text-only" version of every radio station broadcast'
Uhhhh.... hmmmm... I'm speechless.
Actually, bold and italic tags are deprecated in HTML 4.0... learn CSS!