"Islam makes it incumbent on all adult males, provided they are not disabled or incapacitated, to prepare themselves for the conquest of countries so that the writ of Islam is obeyed in every country in the world....But those who study Islamic Holy War will understand why Islam wants to conquer the whole world.
"Those who know nothing of Islam pretend that Islam counsels against war. Those [who say this] are witless. Islam says: Kill all the unbelievers just as they would kill you all! Does this mean that Muslims should sit back until they are devoured by [the unbelievers]? Islam says: Kill them, put them to the sword and scatter [their armies].... Islam says: Whatever good there is exists thanks to the sword and in the shadow of the sword! People cannot be made obedient except with the sword! The sword is the key to Paradise, which can be opened only for the Holy Warriors! There are hundreds of other [Qur'anic] psalms and Hadiths [sayings of the Prophet] urging Muslims to value war and to fight. Does all this mean that Islam is a religion that prevents men from waging war? I spit upon those foolish souls who make such a claim." -- Ayatollah Khomeini
That's just an offhand Google search. Islamist imams' sermons are commonly full of such rhetoric.
Its sad that something like this has to bring home the point that the pissing and moaning some of the Americans (raises hand) here do about the euros should stop for good.
I've never considered the British "euros"... they are British, a wholly different animal.
I, for one, will continue to piss and moan about the continentals. =-)
There's a difference between the words "Islamic" and "Muslim".
"Islamic" implies political Islam, which is summed up in the words "Islam will rule the world under Shar'ia law. All infidels will convert or die except Jews and Christians which may be allowed to live as second class citizens if they pay extra taxes." Don't believe me? It's in their literature, in their sermons, even in their Koran.
This agenda is not, of course, the goal of most Muslims. They are mostly normal people like everyone else, just trying to get on with their lives.
This is the agenda of the Wahhabists and Salafists. A global caliphate.
The leftists (and ignorant liberals like a suprising majority of slashdot readers) will give you their standard whine about it being backlash against colonial oppression, but that's only their way of gaining a little political power of their own, or the clueless gabbling of their useful fools.
I have to agree that the best thing the British and the Western media could do is report the facts, get on with other news, dust ourselves off and continue on as if nothing happened (while behind the scenes we work as hard as ever to discover and terminate terrorist cells).
It won't happen, but it would be the best course of action.
I expect to see a run on Union Jacks any minute now here in Texas.;-)
But seriously, it hurts me to see this. You are our friends and a wonderful bunch of people who never fail to make us laugh, take ourselves less seriously, remind us that we're not always right, yet back us up when push comes to shove.
If you consider sleep deprivation, uncomfortable (but not dangerous) temperatures, light shoving and chest poking with a finger, shouting mean things, loud rap music, and scantily clad yet domineering female interrogators torture, then you are incredibly naive. Mind you, these techniques are only employed during the occasional interrogation, not on a daily basis.
Well, the loud rap music may be cruel and unusual, but the rest sounds a heck of a lot better than, say, boot camp in the Marines.
I don't know, maybe violent games do effect kids... after my 7-year-old boy played Jedi Academy for a couple weeks, one of his classmates was "shooting" at him with his finger and my son "went Jedi" on him and knocked him down. He had never been aggressive before.
Mehh, maybe it had nothing to do with JA. I asked him, "did you Force Push him?"
"No, Dad. I just pushed him down."
Nevertheless, I only let him play E rated games anymore, with JA only once a week (well, I can't make the poor kid quit cold turkey!)
Aside from the facts that the vast majority of educated Indians can speak English, most of them aren't particularly anti-American, and you sound like a complete bigot, you may have had a point.
Art. 4. A. Prisoners of war, in the sense of the present Convention, are persons belonging to one of the following categories, who have fallen into the power of the enemy:
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(2) Members of other militias and members of other volunteer corps, including those of organized resistance movements, belonging to a Party to the conflict and operating in or outside their own territory, even if this territory is occupied, provided that such militias or volunteer corps, including such organized resistance movements, fulfil the following conditions: (a) that of being commanded by a person responsible for his subordinates; (b) that of having a fixed distinctive sign recognizable at a distance; (c) that of carrying arms openly; (d) that of conducting their operations in accordance with the laws and customs of war.
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(6) Inhabitants of a non-occupied territory, who on the approach of the enemy spontaneously take up arms to resist the invading forces, without having had time to form themselves into regular armed units, provided they carry arms openly and respect the laws and customs of war.
You are the troll. You are also an ignorant lout who's kneejerk anti-Americanism is nothing more than boutique politics.
Uhhh... I thought we were talking about the government here. So you're just generally unhappy with the way American citizens treat those they disagree with? What does that have to do with the government?
Not far from Vietnam there are Muslims who chop the heads off Buddhists for the crime of, well, being Buddhist. There are places all over the world where ethnic groups murder each other daily and political opponents do the same. The United States is actually quite civilized, with the occasional exception, and the exceptions are usually arrested and prosecuted.
You still have provided me no links to facts. I can provide links to people being harrassed for having Bush bumper stickers or being openly conservative in a University classroom if you like...
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They won their freedom... and then we "abandoned" them? My, how heartless of us.
???
I hope you die soon. And painfully.
Gee, your getting in a few political points for your side too, aren't you?
Pot, meet kettle.
Thank you for clarifying that, Adolf.
Are you still there?
So, you're right, it's not "Islamic Terror", it's "Islamist Terror".
"Those who know nothing of Islam pretend that Islam counsels against war. Those [who say this] are witless. Islam says: Kill all the unbelievers just as they would kill you all! Does this mean that Muslims should sit back until they are devoured by [the unbelievers]? Islam says: Kill them, put them to the sword and scatter [their armies].... Islam says: Whatever good there is exists thanks to the sword and in the shadow of the sword! People cannot be made obedient except with the sword! The sword is the key to Paradise, which can be opened only for the Holy Warriors! There are hundreds of other [Qur'anic] psalms and Hadiths [sayings of the Prophet] urging Muslims to value war and to fight. Does all this mean that Islam is a religion that prevents men from waging war? I spit upon those foolish souls who make such a claim." -- Ayatollah Khomeini
That's just an offhand Google search. Islamist imams' sermons are commonly full of such rhetoric.
So, your solution is to "breed out the hate"? How, exactly, does this work, hippie? Is this some kind of eugenics program?
It's always amusing to watch a drooling moron accuse others of being "extremely ignorant".
Yes, thank you.
I was frothing for a moment there, wasn't I?
Its sad that something like this has to bring home the point that the pissing and moaning some of the Americans (raises hand) here do about the euros should stop for good.
I've never considered the British "euros"... they are British, a wholly different animal.
I, for one, will continue to piss and moan about the continentals. =-)
"Islamic" implies political Islam, which is summed up in the words "Islam will rule the world under Shar'ia law. All infidels will convert or die except Jews and Christians which may be allowed to live as second class citizens if they pay extra taxes." Don't believe me? It's in their literature, in their sermons, even in their Koran.
This agenda is not, of course, the goal of most Muslims. They are mostly normal people like everyone else, just trying to get on with their lives.
This is the agenda of the Wahhabists and Salafists. A global caliphate.
The leftists (and ignorant liberals like a suprising majority of slashdot readers) will give you their standard whine about it being backlash against colonial oppression, but that's only their way of gaining a little political power of their own, or the clueless gabbling of their useful fools.
It won't happen, but it would be the best course of action.
They don't hate us for meddling. They hate us for being infidels. Don't you listen to what the people who want to kill you are saying?
I expect to see a run on Union Jacks any minute now here in Texas. ;-)
But seriously, it hurts me to see this. You are our friends and a wonderful bunch of people who never fail to make us laugh, take ourselves less seriously, remind us that we're not always right, yet back us up when push comes to shove.
God Bless Great Britain and the people of London.
Bring it, coward.
Excellent post.
... to me without vi keybindings.
If you consider sleep deprivation, uncomfortable (but not dangerous) temperatures, light shoving and chest poking with a finger, shouting mean things, loud rap music, and scantily clad yet domineering female interrogators torture, then you are incredibly naive. Mind you, these techniques are only employed during the occasional interrogation, not on a daily basis.
Well, the loud rap music may be cruel and unusual, but the rest sounds a heck of a lot better than, say, boot camp in the Marines.
I don't know, maybe violent games do effect kids... after my 7-year-old boy played Jedi Academy for a couple weeks, one of his classmates was "shooting" at him with his finger and my son "went Jedi" on him and knocked him down. He had never been aggressive before.
Mehh, maybe it had nothing to do with JA. I asked him, "did you Force Push him?"
"No, Dad. I just pushed him down."
Nevertheless, I only let him play E rated games anymore, with JA only once a week (well, I can't make the poor kid quit cold turkey!)
BTW, I did not state that you are a bigot, I said you sounded like one.
Aside from the facts that the vast majority of educated Indians can speak English, most of them aren't particularly anti-American, and you sound like a complete bigot, you may have had a point.
Bitter much?
I was just thinking about those games the other day, for the first time in at least 15 years...
You are the troll. You are also an ignorant lout who's kneejerk anti-Americanism is nothing more than boutique politics.
Uhhh... I thought we were talking about the government here. So you're just generally unhappy with the way American citizens treat those they disagree with? What does that have to do with the government?
Not far from Vietnam there are Muslims who chop the heads off Buddhists for the crime of, well, being Buddhist. There are places all over the world where ethnic groups murder each other daily and political opponents do the same. The United States is actually quite civilized, with the occasional exception, and the exceptions are usually arrested and prosecuted.
You still have provided me no links to facts. I can provide links to people being harrassed for having Bush bumper stickers or being openly conservative in a University classroom if you like...