I conclude, from your writings, that you are a complete idiot, your are paying for someone to do scanning/indexing and then, to print the book on paper, and ship it to you.
Otherwise do your own research and copy the book by hand.
1. Google is scanning the books, which makes it much less likely they will be lost
2. Someone, probably Google, will index all the books, so we can find them, IN PRINT or not.
3. Amazon will print, on demand, at a very reasonable price,
Please, dip-shit, tell me what is wrong with that, you clearly have not waited for an "inter-lending library lending system" to find a copy of a book you want to read. It took >3 years to get the UK copyright libraries to produce AE van Volgt and Smith's Lensmen books, because they were fiction and thus "not serious".
Personally I can not wait for google to create a new "Library of Alexandria" within which we can download books for 0 or a micro-transaction fee.
Publishers begin to understand this, and typically, want to stop it, tough luck.
Finally I subscribe to a number of pay for view sites (eg LWN.NET) which offer excellent value. and I would certainly subscribe to a good book/indexing service, commercial or otherwise.
The 2nd amendment is very, very important, since it keeps open the possibility of a citizen melitia,
ONE of the things you have to understand about using the military to coerce your own population to fire on their friends or fellow citizens because if they wont you end up with a mutiny as well,
as to stealth bombers, and nukes, they are useless and would not be countenanced within continental NORAM, you need a rifleman, eg the US MARINES, and good luck with even getting the senior officers to order lethal fire, and even more with getting the order obeyed.
This smoking gun says that the endless political correctnes that is the USA, today, managed to get a simple issue __wrong__ again, Manuel Zelaya was democratically elected but as with many other countries and leaders, he was in the middle of destroying his country's democracy when ousted. That the undemocratic shills at the UN would oppose was expected, see what they have done about Kaunda, but that the US and Europe would follow is amazing.
What is needed is Congressional term limits in the USA, not their abolition in Honduras.
Now that Chavez has got his way in Venezuela he will be a pain for generations just as Castro was. Every time
This must be the makings of a world record for wrongheadedness and stupidity by both parties in the US, Iraq, Afganistan, Pakistan... and now Honduras.
There must be a very strong case for retiring entirely all staff at Foggy Bottom and Langly and starting again, Wild Bill anyone?, since they always pick the wrong side. Now we risk forcing the population of yet another mid-american country the delights of a corrupt socialist government paradise run by an idiot.
The kernel dosnt depend on GCC, it compiles with _other_ C compilers and if people as ignorant and stupid as you continue I will propose a "-fdo_it_sensibly" on the GCC development list,
The Game is not DO_BEST_ON_THE_COMPILER benchmarks but rather GENERATE_CORRECT_CODE, which does not include using "undefined" to justify lunacy. I really do ___NOT___ want to have to start reading the ASSEMBLY code of all the C I write, and keep re-reading it with each new GCC release.
Please understand that I am very greatful for most of the GCC development group and their efforts to improve the compiler which I unserstand is both a very hard and mostly thankless job but neither Standards or Benchmarks justify obscurity and lunacy. Here the problem was assuming "tun" was valid.
The point is very, very simple, and it is: If you make understanding of the semantics of a programming language so complicated that it needs a 400 page document to describe, you have already lost!
That is why, in practice, neither C++, Java, or C# have proved to be much of an improvement.
The village idiot needs to understand the semantics of what they write.
The very last thing you need is an OS, especially embeded, think mobile, or desktop, where one error, often in a daemon, or driver brings the whole thing crashing to a halt, and one that you can't debug. Think M$ Windows BSOD.
The OS is there to manage those problems, and stop the buggy process, and only those. Not your last hours editing or last weeks work or your corporate web server. So this is, once again confused nonsense; in the kernel NULL ==== (void *)0, but the kernel TRAP handler treats KERNEL ILLEGAL 0 DEREFERNCES specially [(NB NULL ==== 0) is not true in all architectures], indeed all KERNEL errors are specially handeled or disabled. In effect, the kernel will trap, log, and terminate processes which " ill mem ref" unless they have a registered or default handler [think boot time probes for mem-mapped devices] but the hardware gives you enough context to determined what happened or is broken
I once had a PhD student who could not understand this, he was very cleaver, but always too agressive, and constantly broke a good optimizing BCPL compiler for the PDP10, since I didnt seem to be able to teach him about regression tests either, even though he did do a lot of good he was, correctly, downgraded to a D.Phil by the external since he couldnt explain himself in the viva.
One reason why C++ needs the Scott Myers books is because Barjne took your attitude,
so the standard MUST specify, in detail, what is to happen but the name of the game is to write the standard so that behavior is intuitive and obvious,
This is all a HUGE nonsense, I sincerely hope that none of you, who think this "undefined" ever write real used code, Goedel's theorem tells you that the compilers cannot know, except in a few tiny, well defined circumstances, what the value of a variable will be, at run time. That is why compiler optimization is HARD, eg
As part of the thread has already pointed out, THIS IS REALLY BAD CODE, full of puns and races, it should never have got past the sub-system maintainer, Morton & Tovolds.
The moral here is __think__, __write__what__you__mean__, and get sensitive code REVIEWED, by somebody competent.
The compiler cannot know tun == 0, which is what the "if (!tun)" is testing (BTW as a pun), and the code is clearly crackpot.
Any idiot, who tries to defend GCC. or "undefined" to justify optimisation removing this 0-test needs to spend the rest of their lives writing absolute machine code, in HEX, as they clearly do not understand high-level languages.
If, and only if "tun = 0; if (!tun)..." be optimised, since NULL is not guarented to be 0.
If anyone wrote this code, as opposed to it getting patched in, they need their coding finger cut off, since it is not only dangerous, manifestly daft, stupid, BUT also a race unless LOCKED+INTERRUPTS off.
Clearly this code did not get enough competent eyes.
I smell more of the American PC correctness and stupidity here,
If you own a car, you need to get annual insurance, and expect to get it with No Claim Discount, as I live and do a lot of business in a country DE, with no speed limit, and the big BMW & Mercedes are limited at 260K (160 MPH) I go to a lot of trouble to make sure my car is in tip-top mechanical condition. I drive about 40,000k / year, I get 70% NCD, which I also insure, so I can sue Englander who drive into me in car parks.
So the whole basis of this proposal is nonsense, the more you drive, in a good car, quickly the better you get good at it.
I remember, nearly 30 years ago, pulling out of a motel in Maynard, MA well In front of a State Police car, whose driver took offence, but could not stay on the road at 50 MPH in thick snow and ice. When I stopped for breakfast, and he caught up, about 15 mins later, he tried to complain until I produced my fuhrerausweiss and explained we do that every day for 3 months each winter in mountains.
Second, education should be about equality of opportunity, not equal achievement for all, that means that the BAD and the STUPID need to be controlled, to enable that equality to the brightest and hard working.
You in the US are caught up in an orgy of political correctness and confusion which helps nobody and disadvantages all, and MUCH WORSE, it is second time around as Ms. Shirley Williams did exactly that in the UK in the late 60s and 70s (so the Educational Elite and teachers unions can not claim they dont know). And as Obama said "lipstick on a pig" is exactly like assuming you can make all children academic, which is the assumption (WRONG) of the academic elites.
In Switzerland, education is streamed, and bad behavior is punished quickly, firmly and effectively, which is very likely to get the delinquent child punished physically by their own parents. The result is that we have very little crime and antisocial behavior, well educated kids who are employable, and very low taxes because people take pride in being a "Good Swiss".
People laugh at the rediculous hi-junks in the US, where the parents (are allowed to) oppose the authorities correcting children, and except for incomers from some parts of Europe, who stand to be expelled, the native Swiss would not think of it.
The result of this is that 4 year olds can walk to kindergarten safely, and all adults expect to stand in "loco parentis" of any child in need without phobia about paedophilia, as was the case in the rural US 40 years ago.
Put very simply, you have very arrogantly lost your own way, and the rest of the world is now FULLY wised up to you.
Your court system, and law, is in a complete mess vide the games SCOX have played for so many years.
Having written a lot of Perl, from Perl-4, and more recently Python I can tell you that Python is MUCH more understandable than Perl for the COBOL/FORTRAN/PL.1 generation programmers. That is sad but true, and Python is not that bad -v- Perl and is much better understood by oldies.
Perl and C is where it really is. C++ is an overcomplicated mess as the Myres books ably demonstrate, virtual destructors... gur...
One thing the whole thing makes clear is that no real consensus on either language or methodology.
You are such a stupid dumb fuck M$ shill that I doubt you can find your own arse.
Linux and Unix systems do not get viri because they are, unlike Windows, __NOT__ totally broken to start with and they get fixed when needed, for free.
You, American citizens, have a very strange view of the world since you are, by and large linguistically challenged and unitary taxed. The rest of us pay taxes __ONLY__ to the state we live and are domeciled in. You can get out of unitary taxes by resigning your citizenship, but it is a real pain
Very Sound. And a the very minimum, if properly legislated, "... if you conclude that you cannot undertake your duties without M$ software you must state IN DETAIL the reasons why not and what steps you are taking to enforce Open Formats and explore alternative solutions.."
We see a lot of INAL here on Slashdot, which is usually a cover for BS but:
M$ is currently a US corporation and many of its Officers are US citizens or domeciled in the US,the US government has them by the short-and-curlies. They must first re-domecile, then get non-US citizenship and then stay out of the US for the rest of their lives else any scam to get round what Obama persuades the US congress to enact can be very painful.
Eg. Count all worldwide income as income in the US and make officers personally liable if tax isn't paid. This would at least require the Corporation and all its Officers to get behind a realistic foreign domecile. That will be hard, Eire isn't feasable, I doubt Switzerland, which is, would play for various reasons, which leaves only a very few, all rather unpleasant countries eg North Korea, Iran or Zimbabwe.
While I dont doubt Monkey Boy is stupid enough to try this, realistically there is NO CHANCE and neither stockholders or employees will go along
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I conclude, from your writings, that you are a complete idiot, your are paying for someone to do scanning/indexing and then, to print the book on paper, and ship it to you.
Otherwise do your own research and copy the book by hand.
Otherwise STFU.
Sometimes the CRAP here is amazing:
1. Google is scanning the books, which makes it much less likely they will be lost
2. Someone, probably Google, will index all the books, so we can find them, IN PRINT or not.
3. Amazon will print, on demand, at a very reasonable price,
Please, dip-shit, tell me what is wrong with that, you clearly have not waited for an "inter-lending library lending system" to find a copy of a book you want to read. It took >3 years to get the UK copyright libraries to produce AE van Volgt and Smith's Lensmen books, because they were fiction and thus "not serious".
Personally I can not wait for google to create a new "Library of Alexandria" within which we can download books for 0 or a micro-transaction fee.
Publishers begin to understand this, and typically, want to stop it, tough luck.
Finally I subscribe to a number of pay for view sites (eg LWN.NET) which offer excellent value. and I would certainly subscribe to a good book/indexing service, commercial or otherwise.
Not only Health Care,
In the US the Court System needs reforms so games like these can not be played!
No it Dosnt, I Excocet with a 10k tac nuke WH
The 2nd amendment is very, very important, since it keeps open the possibility of a citizen melitia,
ONE of the things you have to understand about using the military to coerce your own population to fire on their friends or fellow citizens because if they wont you end up with a mutiny as well,
as to stealth bombers, and nukes, they are useless and would not be countenanced within continental NORAM, you need a rifleman, eg the US MARINES, and good luck with even getting the senior officers to order lethal fire, and even more with getting the order obeyed.
This smoking gun says that the endless political correctnes that is the USA, today, managed to get a simple issue __wrong__ again, Manuel Zelaya was democratically elected but as with many other countries and leaders, he was in the middle of destroying his country's democracy when ousted. That the undemocratic shills at the UN would oppose was expected, see what they have done about Kaunda, but that the US and Europe would follow is amazing.
... and now Honduras.
What is needed is Congressional term limits in the USA, not their abolition in Honduras.
Now that Chavez has got his way in Venezuela he will be a pain for generations just as Castro was. Every time
This must be the makings of a world record for wrongheadedness and stupidity by both parties in the US, Iraq, Afganistan, Pakistan
There must be a very strong case for retiring entirely all staff at Foggy Bottom and Langly and starting again, Wild Bill anyone?, since they always pick the wrong side. Now we risk forcing the population of yet another mid-american country the delights of a corrupt socialist government paradise run by an idiot.
Kanton Tessin, speaks Italian and __IS__ in Switzerland
CHF 35.00 for 10 x 60 liter abfal sacks
Idiot,
The kernel dosnt depend on GCC, it compiles with _other_ C compilers and if people as ignorant and stupid as you continue I will propose a "-fdo_it_sensibly" on the GCC development list,
The Game is not DO_BEST_ON_THE_COMPILER benchmarks but rather GENERATE_CORRECT_CODE, which does not include using "undefined" to justify lunacy. I really do ___NOT___ want to have to start reading the ASSEMBLY code of all the C I write, and keep re-reading it with each new GCC release.
Please understand that I am very greatful for most of the GCC development group and their efforts to improve the compiler which I unserstand is both a very hard and mostly thankless job but neither Standards or Benchmarks justify obscurity and lunacy. Here the problem was assuming "tun" was valid.
The point is very, very simple, and it is: If you make understanding of the semantics of a programming language so complicated that it needs a 400 page document to describe, you have already lost!
That is why, in practice, neither C++, Java, or C# have proved to be much of an improvement.
The village idiot needs to understand the semantics of what they write.
The very last thing you need is an OS, especially embeded, think mobile, or desktop, where one error, often in a daemon, or driver brings the whole thing crashing to a halt, and one that you can't debug. Think M$ Windows BSOD.
The OS is there to manage those problems, and stop the buggy process, and only those. Not your last hours editing or last weeks work or your corporate web server. So this is, once again confused nonsense; in the kernel NULL ==== (void *)0, but the kernel TRAP handler treats KERNEL ILLEGAL 0 DEREFERNCES specially [(NB NULL ==== 0) is not true in all architectures], indeed all KERNEL errors are specially handeled or disabled. In effect, the kernel will trap, log, and terminate processes which " ill mem ref" unless they have a registered or default handler [think boot time probes for mem-mapped devices] but the hardware gives you enough context to determined what happened or is broken
Absolute, CORRECT, CLEAR.
I once had a PhD student who could not understand this, he was very cleaver, but always too agressive, and constantly broke a good optimizing BCPL compiler for the PDP10, since I didnt seem to be able to teach him about regression tests either, even though he did do a lot of good he was, correctly, downgraded to a D.Phil by the external since he couldnt explain himself in the viva.
Code Review is not useless.
One reason why C++ needs the Scott Myers books is because Barjne took your attitude,
so the standard MUST specify, in detail, what is to happen but the name of the game is to write the standard so that behavior is intuitive and obvious,
Complexity is the enemy of correctness.
Thank you for expaining this both correctly an in detail, I simply did not have the patience or tolerance of rubbish!
This is all a HUGE nonsense, I sincerely hope that none of you, who think this "undefined" ever write real used code, Goedel's theorem tells you that the compilers cannot know, except in a few tiny, well defined circumstances, what the value of a variable will be, at run time. That is why compiler optimization is HARD, eg
As part of the thread has already pointed out, THIS IS REALLY BAD CODE, full of puns and races, it should never have got past the sub-system maintainer, Morton & Tovolds.
The moral here is __think__, __write__what__you__mean__, and get sensitive code REVIEWED, by somebody competent.
The compiler cannot know tun == 0, which is what the "if (!tun)" is testing (BTW as a pun), and the code is clearly crackpot.
..." be optimised, since NULL is not guarented to be 0.
Any idiot, who tries to defend GCC. or "undefined" to justify optimisation removing this 0-test needs to spend the rest of their lives writing absolute machine code, in HEX, as they clearly do not understand high-level languages.
If, and only if "tun = 0; if (!tun)
If anyone wrote this code, as opposed to it getting patched in, they need their coding finger cut off, since it is not only dangerous, manifestly daft, stupid, BUT also a race unless LOCKED+INTERRUPTS off.
Clearly this code did not get enough competent eyes.
I smell more of the American PC correctness and stupidity here,
If you own a car, you need to get annual insurance, and expect to get it with No Claim Discount, as I live and do a lot of business in a country DE, with no speed limit, and the big BMW & Mercedes are limited at 260K (160 MPH) I go to a lot of trouble to make sure my car is in tip-top mechanical condition. I drive about 40,000k / year, I get 70% NCD, which I also insure, so I can sue Englander who drive into me in car parks.
So the whole basis of this proposal is nonsense, the more you drive, in a good car, quickly the better you get good at it.
I remember, nearly 30 years ago, pulling out of a motel in Maynard, MA well In front of a State Police car, whose driver took offence, but could not stay on the road at 50 MPH in thick snow and ice. When I stopped for breakfast, and he caught up, about 15 mins later, he tried to complain until I produced my fuhrerausweiss and explained we do that every day for 3 months each winter in mountains.
First, the parent is correct,
Second, education should be about equality of opportunity, not equal achievement for all, that means that the BAD and the STUPID need to be controlled, to enable that equality to the brightest and hard working.
You in the US are caught up in an orgy of political correctness and confusion which helps nobody and disadvantages all, and MUCH WORSE, it is second time around as Ms. Shirley Williams did exactly that in the UK in the late 60s and 70s (so the Educational Elite and teachers unions can not claim they dont know). And as Obama said "lipstick on a pig" is exactly like assuming you can make all children academic, which is the assumption (WRONG) of the academic elites.
In Switzerland, education is streamed, and bad behavior is punished quickly, firmly and effectively, which is very likely to get the delinquent child punished physically by their own parents. The result is that we have very little crime and antisocial behavior, well educated kids who are employable, and very low taxes because people take pride in being a "Good Swiss".
People laugh at the rediculous hi-junks in the US, where the parents (are allowed to) oppose the authorities correcting children, and except for incomers from some parts of Europe, who stand to be expelled, the native Swiss would not think of it.
The result of this is that 4 year olds can walk to kindergarten safely, and all adults expect to stand in "loco parentis" of any child in need without phobia about paedophilia, as was the case in the rural US 40 years ago.
Put very simply, you have very arrogantly lost your own way, and the rest of the world is now FULLY wised up to you.
Your court system, and law, is in a complete mess vide the games SCOX have played for so many years.
That says Windows isnt ready for the desktop, I have had Solaris running for 10 years!
Having written a lot of Perl, from Perl-4, and more recently Python I can tell you that Python is MUCH more understandable than Perl for the COBOL/FORTRAN/PL.1 generation programmers. That is sad but true, and Python is not that bad -v- Perl and is much better understood by oldies.
... gur ...
Perl and C is where it really is. C++ is an overcomplicated mess as the Myres books ably demonstrate, virtual destructors
One thing the whole thing makes clear is that no real consensus on either language or methodology.
After Obama is done, presumably in 7 years, you need to find a Margret Thacher to deal with your unions.
You are such a stupid dumb fuck M$ shill that I doubt you can find your own arse.
Linux and Unix systems do not get viri because they are, unlike Windows, __NOT__ totally broken to start with and they get fixed when needed, for free.
Corporates like to point fingers ONLY at each other, and try to do things that are dishonest or illegal.
In fact, if, hardware vendors want it, they can ship a pre-install, that will give them a perfect start, they just
need to do the work.
I find the M$ paranoia sad, Linux does not need to piss on Balmer he does not have the skill or leadership to compete.
You, American citizens, have a very strange view of the world since you are, by and large linguistically challenged and unitary taxed. The rest of us pay taxes __ONLY__ to the state we live and are domeciled in. You can get out of unitary taxes by resigning your citizenship, but it is a real pain
Very Sound. And a the very minimum, if properly legislated, "... if you conclude that you cannot undertake your duties without M$ software you must state IN DETAIL the reasons why not and what steps you are taking to enforce Open Formats and explore alternative solutions .."
Which will give M$ marketing a heart attack
and result in lower prices to the taxpayer.
We see a lot of INAL here on Slashdot, which is usually a cover for BS but:
M$ is currently a US corporation and many of its Officers are US citizens or domeciled in the US,the US government has them by the short-and-curlies. They must first re-domecile, then get non-US citizenship and then stay out of the US for the rest of their lives else any scam to get round what Obama persuades the US congress to enact can be very painful.
Eg. Count all worldwide income as income in the US and make officers personally liable if tax isn't paid. This would at least require the Corporation and all its Officers to get behind a realistic foreign domecile. That will be hard, Eire isn't feasable, I doubt Switzerland, which is, would play for various reasons, which leaves only a very few, all rather unpleasant countries eg North Korea, Iran or Zimbabwe.
While I dont doubt Monkey Boy is stupid enough to try this, realistically there is NO CHANCE and neither stockholders or employees will go along