The Excel ODF bug was another deliberate considered example of M$ screwing up the interoperability experience.
The form of the bug is that Excel sc cells have either a value, or a formula, or BOTH, both in the file and at run time.
If you load from a '.odf' in M$ Excel the values only are loaded and the formulae are dropped on the floor, so the sc no longer works. need more large finesn This works the other way too, Excell is notorious for failing to correctly determine dependencies, which is why you find habitual users hit RECALCULATE several times.
The value CACHE is an example of 'defective by design', and since these guys are evil, not stupid, this was deliberate.
The only question is whether EU governments will fully migrate from M$, or whether they need more big fines "pour encourager un comportement honnete"
Listen, idiot, with Virtualization, most of us, in a professional sense NOW have instant access to a Windoze VM, and MS office, and commonly several versions, and I now almost never use M$ Office, for anything but testing. An when I do I cringe since I see software make harder to use, eg the ribbon, simply for marketing reasons; that is M$ greatest sin, they think they are ENTITLED to frig with the software to force sales.
By any objective standards all M$ software is crap by design, M$Word typeset algorithms are a crock of shit, the documents looks so awful that you can tell it must have been set by Word. Excel and its many 'mathematical' bugs and quirks is well known for creating un-auditable business process, usually a big SOX headache. And so on, on, on.
So even though I have essentially free access to the OS, Office and Outlook I almost never use them because they are so bad. When it comes to Development the WinWorld is even worse. M$ regularly shoots itself in the foot in security, portability and flexibility terms.
At an even more basic level, if you follow the history of the industry, things move on, you adapt or die, look at past greats IBM, DEC, Wang, Compaq, SUN, HP all now shadows of their former greatness.
As a twice convicted corporatist criminal convicted on two continents and with innumerable convictions for theft, the officers should be in a Supermax.
First, it would be better to have the Butler answer the phone, then he can screen callers too.
If that isn't possible NEVER use a handheld or try to text while driving, either is as bad or worse than drunk driving; and the police should pull over those that do.
Just talking on a hands free phone is no problem, so long as you strictly prioritise what you are paying attention to, the 'car kit' I have in my light plane works well for this, If there is radio incoming, the phone is -4dB, if you push the radio talk button on the stick, the phone is muted, voice mic exclusively to radio (phone cannot overhear tower).
On answering a call I always tell the caller I am flying or driving and if I stop talking it means I am busy. If you have been taught to fly properly then, look round, look back, scan all relevant instruments, repeat, respond to radio FAA required, and phone AS LOWEST priority.
More modern aircraft have HUDs (Head Up Displays) and computer assisted fault monitoring, collision avoidence, radio altimeter... all of which, plus the sidestick, and super autopilot, with lots of pre-programmed modes eg take off, post take off noise reduction, landing-final all make things like the the Airbus A380 easier than flying a Cessna --- while everything is WORKING.
As Captain Chesley Sullenberger showed, a mis-spent youth as a glider pilot can be very helpful too.
All REAL science is about prediction, this is your GOLD STANDARD, you develop a theory, construct a mathematical model and predict the future, or unknown observations or improve existing predictions,
This is why they say "Nature howls NO, but whispers YES", if your prediction is RIGHT you get a small incremental credibility, if it is wrong, go back to the drawing board.
So the Michaelson-Morley experiment abolished the ether, and with Lorenz-Fitzgerald created Special Relativity, old theory refuted.
Mann predicted the Hockey-Stick, it hasn't happened, in fact the reverse has. Game Over.
Now I know that the actual fate will be re-based, massaged, spun... , but this is NOT science, it is populist politics.
LOTS of us can tell the difference, and as I said many, including many legislators around the world have now wised up,
the SCAM is OVER. The US congress will never have a super-majority for this now.
Firstly, I have been involved with OS kernel development for more than 35 years, and I can tell you that having 100+ employees working on the kernel means, in a Cathedral organized development is a disaster if 80% are NOT working as Tech Writers or Testers, See Fred Brooks book, which is as true today as it was when it was written.
Too many developers, with poor architecture and vision leads to CRAP, which Windoze, and its COM architecture is. Until COM is removed Windoze security will leak like a sieve, and backward compatibility, part of the lock-in, means that is VERY HARD for M$.
I do not count developers who only work on drivers, but poor divers kill your kernel, which is why the Bazzar model works much better, read LKML, it is brutal peer review.
As I told Scott McNealy in 1998, Open Solaris would not get traction until developer were helped to write good drivers, and while this is not the main reason why SUNs business model failed, poor focus, bad marketing and poor SPARC performance was, you have to have a good and wide driver portfolio.
Finally, if you havn't figured it out already, I don't like M$, Windoze or the crooks in charge of this convicted-anti-trust-monopoly, and if the US DOJ had any balls, 10 of the top execs would be in a Supermax.
Seconded, Another Royal Idiot, I got my degree in Pure Maths in 1965 and my PhD in Computer Engineering in 1969 and have been using these skills every year, but he, I am just a SCEPTIC, no more a PISSED OFF UNBELIEVER.
Sorry, what do we have to do to make you look out the window! The chart is wrong.
Average NH temperatures fell 0.6-0.8dC 1998-2007, and will fall more sharply in 2008-2009.
You do know BBC is looking to ditch UK-MET since their forcasts are so bad, they use computer models and their competitors look out the window from visable and IR sats.
First rate, and 100 % correct, it was, is and always will be a scam.
The absolute killer is that HAD-CRU (Jones) and NASA Cherry picked there data so hard that the do not have enough outliers, so when I re-ran some of the data myself there is nowhere near enough noise in their data, so I suggest that this is the quick way to evaluate a data-set, Compute the Variance of the Test data set, normalized; compare to the average of the Variances of a good number of randomly chosen station-single-series datasets, if the Variance is far too small suspect fraud; they were not thinking clearly and did not expect to be challenged. But forget the manipulated proxies.
And the great thing is that the lies and deceit are now in the public domain and next to NO LEGISLATURE will enact the Alice in Wonderland these crooks wanted.
This is the Club of Rome, Act 2.
When the speculators had the oil price at USD 168, the IOCs were making a profit at USD 22.50.
I approve of looking for alternative energy sources, but geothermal, fusion and solar MUST be made to work, far too little money is spent on geothermal, which is effectively infinite and the same is true on fission and both are not even science but engineering. If these were targeted effectively then we could afford to synthesise hydrocarbons and this boring nonsense could go away.
Let me add that the REAL solution is to get into space, so all our eggs are not in one fragile basket, and I am pleased people like Hawking firmly agree. If the UK government had either sense or balls they would ask someone like the emeritus Lucasian Professor at Cambridge to look into Phil Jones and Mann's calculations.
There is now just NO CHANCE of saving this self serving, lying fiasco.
The HAD-CRU (East Anglia) MET (Reading) NASA and NOAA have all been exposed as a bunch of lying, self serving innumerate jerks, whose analysis and data is fatally flawed at so many levels.
The tree-ring scam, disgarding 75% or Russian data, with no reason, the proxies, Ice cores, bad chemistry... the list goes on, and on, and on. The scope of the stupidity never ends from the BBC looking for a new forecaster, since the MET is so bad, (I know I use 'eurometeo.com') to CRU writing and then loosing code that just fudges the data for a pre-wanted conclusion (ClimateGate).
Now some of the smarter politicians, starting with Obama, may begin to see the light and back away. What amazes me is that so many were duped for so long.
and they are, of course, the Beneficial owners of PayPal.
both of which, used to be a Luxembourg SARL, Luxembourg allows bearer shares.
Under the Swiss-EU accords, judgements obtained under EU law, in member countries, are enforcible in Switzerland and thus in Kanton Bern. You can assume they speak EN DE FR IT, but if you want to give legal notice do it in one of the Swiss official languages ie DE FR IT
Thus I suggest you write to the Geshaftsleiter (Ebay|PayPal) at the above address.
Far too few, but there is a maximum scrum in the Cathedral.
The question goes to the Cathedral and the Bazaar dichotomy and the Brooks "Mythical Man Month" about OS 360, and how you count the dev team, kernel core or that and associated userland.
DEC: Tops 10 2 x lead + 6 mostly
AT&T Bell Labs: 3 x lead + 20
VAX-VMS: 1-2 lead + 40 (inc RSX-11 drivers)
WNT+: initially 1-4 lead + 20, clone VMS
Linux: initially 1 lead + 0, now 1 + 25 leads +4000
The 4000 number says it all. Rob Gingell, who used to run SUN's Solaris operation understood, and used to say, If we SUN make life difficult for our users, by most often making SUN specific firmware and foobared drivers, our customers will loose trust, write their own, in Universities and wealthy companies, and after a year all this work at high priced lockins will just hurt us.
He was right.
Linux has > 10 X the developers working on Windoze, Solaris, the RT-OS's... combined, and it shows more and more. Google is now the paren to two new, special purpose Linux Distros, Android & Chrome, whic as they mature, will continue to backfeed the community.
Business types, particularly the MBA crowd believe in two patently false memes:
1. Management is a universal skill, and can be applied to anything, without understanding what that THING is, and
2. Business sucess is about the Jock/Geek culture of American High Schools,
Well, no it isn't, you can not manage a complex technical enterprise without knowing what you are doing, but (1) above is the big lie. To do well, you need good technical and management skills, and charisma. This is why Balmer has run M$ into the ground, Carly nearly killed HP, Boeing is in the shit with the Dreamliner... and Apple, Google and many other well run companies flourish. In Europe, in contrast to the US you can not get good venture funding unless the lenders are convinced that the management team are technically competant. So the CEO may be a generalist but the CTO better not be.
My sense, as an outside observer, but one who knows the USA well, is that there is a very widespread dis-satisfaction with the State of the Union, which President Obama, for all his undoubted skills is having a very hard time changing, TeaPartiers, the swamp that is Congress and the Wall St./Main St. disconnect mean that serious HARD WORK must be done, not just offshoreing another 10000 jobs to Chennai.
2. You only need a sandbox if you have open wounds, IE6 or are Immune Compromised that ie: Windoze* IE*,
3. You don't need NoScript,
4. ACID is a database test, and has nothing to do with HTML compliance, your ass and ignorance is showing!
5. We do care about HTML compliance and a commitment to inter-operate properly since it reduces complexity and simplifies testing, both of which cost a lot of money.
Isn't it time you moved out of your mother's basement?
Has been stated and rebutted literally millions of times, the problem with M$ crap is not that it is popular, it is that it is criminally defectively by design, and because of Backward Compatibility, and secret api's shared only with valued customers they absolutely can never fix it. Anyone tells you about OS secrets is selling snake oil.
1. There are 3,500 Windoze api calls, POSIX < 200, Linux ~ 250, new functionality over 10 years,
2. Windoze will execute any crap base on ".ext" so it will just execute ".exe" files, no question, no request permission,
3. COM automation, the keys to the system,
I operate a number of linux boxes, connected directly to the net, and after a while I realised that firewalls were a waste of time and too much a blunt instrument, and that I could trim and lock down most services better on an ad hoc basis. eg TCP wrappers and some, 6 IPTABLES rules. The only thing, recently, is attempted SSH brute force attacks and the suggested, and contorted response to them, which was SysAdmin gone mad. SSH can be patched to restore the retry-delay and back-off algorithms which are used for normal logins, and to tar-pit the attacker, and in my experience this works real well, the botnets go, and dont return.
Browser independence, is what you should have done/insisted on in the first place, which would have resulted in push back on M$ non inter-operable crap.
Slashdot Mirror
The Excel ODF bug was another deliberate considered example of M$ screwing up the interoperability experience.
The form of the bug is that Excel sc cells have either a value, or a formula, or BOTH, both in the file and at run time.
If you load from a '.odf' in M$ Excel the values only are loaded and the formulae are dropped on the floor, so the sc no longer works.
need more large finesn
This works the other way too, Excell is notorious for failing to correctly determine dependencies, which is why you find habitual users hit RECALCULATE several times.
The value CACHE is an example of 'defective by design', and since these guys are evil, not stupid, this was deliberate.
The only question is whether EU governments will fully migrate from M$, or whether they need more big fines "pour encourager un comportement honnete"
Slashdot, ISO 8953-1 isnt new
Your lies and bias are so blatant that the even hurt your evil master STFU, please.
Listen, idiot, with Virtualization, most of us, in a professional sense NOW have instant access to a Windoze VM, and MS office, and commonly several versions, and I now almost never use M$ Office, for anything but testing. An when I do I cringe since I see software make harder to use, eg the ribbon, simply for marketing reasons; that is M$ greatest sin, they think they are ENTITLED to frig with the software to force sales.
By any objective standards all M$ software is crap by design, M$Word typeset algorithms are a crock of shit, the documents looks so awful that you can tell it must have been set by Word. Excel and its many 'mathematical' bugs and quirks is well known for creating un-auditable business process, usually a big SOX headache. And so on, on, on.
So even though I have essentially free access to the OS, Office and Outlook I almost never use them because they are so bad. When it comes to Development the WinWorld is even worse. M$ regularly shoots itself in the foot in security, portability and flexibility terms.
At an even more basic level, if you follow the history of the industry, things move on, you adapt or die, look at past greats IBM, DEC, Wang, Compaq, SUN, HP all now shadows of their former greatness.
If you look closely M$ is in terminal decline.
And all power to his elbow, maybe he can leverage the OOXML debacle into anti-trust, and clean up that mess foe a profit too.
--
Der Feind meines Feindes mein Freund vielleicht.
So, so, so like the DEC demise, I like the badge numbers, and the UNLOYAL marker 123B, when you were re-hired!
As a twice convicted corporatist criminal convicted on two continents and with innumerable convictions for theft, the officers should be in a Supermax.
First, it would be better to have the Butler answer the phone, then he can screen callers too.
... all of which, plus the sidestick, and super autopilot, with lots of pre-programmed modes eg take off, post take off noise reduction, landing-final all make things like the the Airbus A380 easier than flying a Cessna --- while everything is WORKING.
If that isn't possible NEVER use a handheld or try to text while driving, either is as bad or worse than drunk driving; and the police should pull over those that do.
Just talking on a hands free phone is no problem, so long as you strictly prioritise what you are paying attention to, the 'car kit' I have in my light plane works well for this, If there is radio incoming, the phone is -4dB, if you push the radio talk button on the stick, the phone is muted, voice mic exclusively to radio (phone cannot overhear tower).
On answering a call I always tell the caller I am flying or driving and if I stop talking it means I am busy. If you have been taught to fly properly then, look round, look back, scan all relevant instruments, repeat, respond to radio FAA required, and phone AS LOWEST priority.
More modern aircraft have HUDs (Head Up Displays) and computer assisted fault monitoring, collision avoidence, radio altimeter
As Captain Chesley Sullenberger showed, a mis-spent youth as a glider pilot can be very helpful too.
Was Herren phantomfive Ich bin immer richtig !!! ;-) aber Danke für Ihre Unterstuetzung und Verstaendnis,
Und Got verdammt noch mal, warum kann man Slashdot ISO 8953-1 Eingang rechts
All REAL science is about prediction, this is your GOLD STANDARD, you develop a theory, construct a mathematical model and predict the future, or unknown observations or improve existing predictions,
... , but this is NOT science, it is populist politics.
This is why they say "Nature howls NO, but whispers YES", if your prediction is RIGHT you get a small incremental credibility, if it is wrong, go back to the drawing board.
So the Michaelson-Morley experiment abolished the ether, and with Lorenz-Fitzgerald created Special Relativity, old theory refuted.
Mann predicted the Hockey-Stick, it hasn't happened, in fact the reverse has. Game Over.
Now I know that the actual fate will be re-based, massaged, spun
LOTS of us can tell the difference, and as I said many, including many legislators around the world have now wised up,
the SCAM is OVER. The US congress will never have a super-majority for this now.
Two comments,
Firstly, I have been involved with OS kernel development for more than 35 years, and I can tell you that having 100+ employees working on the kernel means, in a Cathedral organized development is a disaster if 80% are NOT working as Tech Writers or Testers, See Fred Brooks book, which is as true today as it was when it was written.
Too many developers, with poor architecture and vision leads to CRAP, which Windoze, and its COM architecture is. Until COM is removed Windoze security will leak like a sieve, and backward compatibility, part of the lock-in, means that is VERY HARD for M$.
I do not count developers who only work on drivers, but poor divers kill your kernel, which is why the Bazzar model works much better, read LKML, it is brutal peer review.
As I told Scott McNealy in 1998, Open Solaris would not get traction until developer were helped to write good drivers, and while this is not the main reason why SUNs business model failed, poor focus, bad marketing and poor SPARC performance was, you have to have a good and wide driver portfolio.
Finally, if you havn't figured it out already, I don't like M$, Windoze or the crooks in charge of this convicted-anti-trust-monopoly, and if the US DOJ had any balls, 10 of the top execs would be in a Supermax.
Enjoy you Astroturf.
Seconded, Another Royal Idiot, I got my degree in Pure Maths in 1965 and my PhD in Computer Engineering in 1969 and have been using these skills every year, but he, I am just a SCEPTIC, no more a PISSED OFF UNBELIEVER.
I don't need eloquence or reason, they have stipulated they lied; and no it wasn't a typo it was FUD
Wake up
Sorry, what do we have to do to make you look out the window! The chart is wrong.
Average NH temperatures fell 0.6-0.8dC 1998-2007, and will fall more sharply in 2008-2009.
You do know BBC is looking to ditch UK-MET since their forcasts are so bad, they use computer models and their competitors look out the window from visable and IR sats.
First rate, and 100 % correct, it was, is and always will be a scam.
The absolute killer is that HAD-CRU (Jones) and NASA Cherry picked there data so hard that the do not have enough outliers, so when I re-ran some of the data myself there is nowhere near enough noise in their data, so I suggest that this is the quick way to evaluate a data-set, Compute the Variance of the Test data set, normalized; compare to the average of the Variances of a good number of randomly chosen station-single-series datasets, if the Variance is far too small suspect fraud; they were not thinking clearly and did not expect to be challenged. But forget the manipulated proxies.
STUPID BIASED DIPSHIT, need I say more, You are trying to defend the indefensible as IPCC has already acknowledged. Good luck with that.
And the great thing is that the lies and deceit are now in the public domain and next to NO LEGISLATURE will enact the Alice in Wonderland these crooks wanted.
This is the Club of Rome, Act 2.
When the speculators had the oil price at USD 168, the IOCs were making a profit at USD 22.50.
I approve of looking for alternative energy sources, but geothermal, fusion and solar MUST be made to work, far too little money is spent on geothermal, which is effectively infinite and the same is true on fission and both are not even science but engineering. If these were targeted effectively then we could afford to synthesise hydrocarbons and this boring nonsense could go away.
Let me add that the REAL solution is to get into space, so all our eggs are not in one fragile basket, and I am pleased people like Hawking firmly agree. If the UK government had either sense or balls they would ask someone like the emeritus Lucasian Professor at Cambridge to look into Phil Jones and Mann's calculations.
There is now just NO CHANCE of saving this self serving, lying fiasco.
... the list goes on, and on, and on. The scope of the stupidity never ends from the BBC looking for a new forecaster, since the MET is so bad, (I know I use 'eurometeo.com') to CRU writing and then loosing code that just fudges the data for a pre-wanted conclusion (ClimateGate).
The HAD-CRU (East Anglia) MET (Reading) NASA and NOAA have all been exposed as a bunch of lying, self serving innumerate jerks, whose analysis and data is fatally flawed at so many levels.
The tree-ring scam, disgarding 75% or Russian data, with no reason, the proxies, Ice cores, bad chemistry
Now some of the smarter politicians, starting with Obama, may begin to see the light and back away. What amazes me is that so many were duped for so long.
In Europe, at least, Ebay is a Swiss AG, headquartered in Bern, Switzerland
Helvetiastrasse 15, CH-3005 Bern, Switzerland, Telephone 00 41 31 359 06 59
and they are, of course, the Beneficial owners of PayPal.
both of which, used to be a Luxembourg SARL, Luxembourg allows bearer shares.
Under the Swiss-EU accords, judgements obtained under EU law, in member countries,
are enforcible in Switzerland and thus in Kanton Bern. You can assume they speak
EN DE FR IT, but if you want to give legal notice do it in one of the Swiss official
languages ie DE FR IT
Thus I suggest you write to the Geshaftsleiter (Ebay|PayPal) at the above address.
Far too few, but there is a maximum scrum in the Cathedral.
... combined, and it shows more and more. Google is now the paren to two new, special purpose Linux Distros, Android & Chrome, whic as they mature, will continue to backfeed the community.
The question goes to the Cathedral and the Bazaar dichotomy and the Brooks "Mythical Man Month" about OS 360, and how you count the dev team, kernel core or that and associated userland.
DEC: Tops 10 2 x lead + 6 mostly
AT&T Bell Labs: 3 x lead + 20
VAX-VMS: 1-2 lead + 40 (inc RSX-11 drivers)
WNT+: initially 1-4 lead + 20, clone VMS
Linux: initially 1 lead + 0, now 1 + 25 leads +4000
The 4000 number says it all. Rob Gingell, who used to run SUN's Solaris operation understood, and used to say, If we SUN make life difficult for our users, by most often making SUN specific firmware and foobared drivers, our customers will loose trust, write their own, in Universities and wealthy companies, and after a year all this work at high priced lockins will just hurt us.
He was right.
Linux has > 10 X the developers working on Windoze, Solaris, the RT-OS's
Business types, particularly the MBA crowd believe in two patently false memes:
... and Apple, Google and many other well run companies flourish. In Europe, in contrast to the US you can not get good venture funding unless the lenders are convinced that the management team are technically competant. So the CEO may be a generalist but the CTO better not be.
1. Management is a universal skill, and can be applied to anything, without understanding what that THING is, and
2. Business sucess is about the Jock/Geek culture of American High Schools,
Well, no it isn't, you can not manage a complex technical enterprise without knowing what you are doing, but (1) above is the big lie. To do well, you need good technical and management skills, and charisma. This is why Balmer has run M$ into the ground, Carly nearly killed HP, Boeing is in the shit with the Dreamliner
My sense, as an outside observer, but one who knows the USA well, is that there is a very widespread dis-satisfaction with the State of the Union, which President Obama, for all his undoubted skills is having a very hard time changing, TeaPartiers, the swamp that is Congress and the Wall St./Main St. disconnect mean that serious HARD WORK must be done, not just offshoreing another 10000 jobs to Chennai.
It should RUN for 10 years on stable HARDWARE.
Only a complete M$ dummy would pull that naive crap, there are SunOS 4 systems still running reliably in server rooms.
I just despair at your credulousness and stupidity.
1. Tabs are Tabs,
2. You only need a sandbox if you have open wounds, IE6 or are Immune Compromised that ie: Windoze* IE*,
3. You don't need NoScript,
4. ACID is a database test, and has nothing to do with HTML compliance, your ass and ignorance is showing!
5. We do care about HTML compliance and a commitment to inter-operate properly since it reduces complexity and simplifies testing, both of which cost a lot of money.
Isn't it time you moved out of your mother's basement?
Has been stated and rebutted literally millions of times, the problem with M$ crap is not that it is popular, it is that it is criminally defectively by design, and because of Backward Compatibility, and secret api's shared only with valued customers they absolutely can never fix it. Anyone tells you about OS secrets is selling snake oil.
1. There are 3,500 Windoze api calls, POSIX < 200, Linux ~ 250, new functionality over 10 years,
2. Windoze will execute any crap base on ".ext" so it will just execute ".exe" files, no question, no request permission,
3. COM automation, the keys to the system,
I operate a number of linux boxes, connected directly to the net, and after a while I realised that firewalls were a waste of time and too much a blunt instrument, and that I could trim and lock down most services better on an ad hoc basis. eg TCP wrappers and some, 6 IPTABLES rules. The only thing, recently, is attempted SSH brute force attacks and the suggested, and contorted response to them, which was SysAdmin gone mad. SSH can be patched to restore the retry-delay and back-off algorithms which are used for normal logins, and to tar-pit the attacker, and in my experience this works real well, the botnets go, and dont return.
Browser independence, is what you should have done/insisted on in the first place, which would have resulted in push back on M$ non inter-operable crap.
Yes, you have a point, that CLI looks hard but it would only take a competent student a day to write a gui wrapper for A/L/W with Qt.