I love it. Back when the presses were invented, pundits predicted only the rich would ever have books. Ah, that was wrong. Then they predicted newspapers would never take off. Eh, wrong there. Then telephones came out. Who'd ever use such an erry device? All it's good for is listening to organ music! Whups... AT&T didn't listen to them, and look what happened. Oh yeah, then you have the phonograph, where you could *record* and *play back* music! Wow.. that would never catch on either. Funny how popular the old vinyl 72 rpm's got, eh? Then you had the 8-Track. Well, they were right about that - 8-tracks sucked. Virtually every invention they said was going to die... gee... they're still here. I can go down to the end of my block and find a newspaper. Go across the street to Disc-o-round, and I got my vinyl. Down the road a few miles to Best Buy (shudder), and I have CDs.. which were only a "temporary" technology, right?
Eh, as you can see, history is replete with people proclaiming the end of X technology...which then promptly goes on to become insanely popular. Windows is the exception - it sucked from the beginning, and it's *still* popular. Eh, the general rule holds true however... newspapers are in no danger of vanishing for the same reason people prefer having a nice book to curl up with in bed instead of a CRT monitor to read the latest O'Reilly book. Which, btw, I have tried curling up with a CRT. While it's a very nice way to keep warm during these minnesota winters.. it's alittle difficult to keep them from falling out of bed and throwing shrapnel all over the place. Eh.. it was only a 14" though. =)
Yes.. eventually all of these technologies will be phased out. However, as you can see this won't be happening with any rate of speed. Don't think that just because time runs at 20x normal speed (Unless your upstream provider is AT&T *rimshot*) online it does so in the offline world as well!
Sounds to me like reverse-engineering just got a shot in the arm. Why is it that people think that you can obscure a product by wrapping it around a license that says "keep off the lawn"? You ought to take it as a compliment somebody thought highly enough of your hardware to expend some of their blood and tears to make it work on another platform. Why would you go through that effort if the hw in question sucked?
Vendors don't "get it", and I don't mean open source - technical specs should be open, if for no other reason than to allow a) peer review which b) promotes your product, if worthy, to be the "best" on the market, which leads to c) lots of money. Right now they're a) not publishing which b) pisses off alot of computer enthusiasts who c) either ignore the hw all together, or d) even go a step further and publically denounce the product. Geee..... Anybody from Sales heard about this? You know - meeting quota would be alot easier if you took the development heads out for a "friendly" game of paintball.... *hint, hint*
Wonderful. Next we'll have huge banners of Maoix (If you don't install our distro, you'll never see your family again!) floating over the US. Maybe *that's* what they were talking about when they said they were going to be involved in cyberwarfare... --
Hi people. I've just poured hot grits down my pants !!!
This only proves you're an idiot. Go download quake and meet me on one of ID's servers... I've been itching to blow away this "Anonymous Coward" guy for awhile now...
Dude... it's like... a totally mesmorizing experience... man... dude... you like, gotta try some of this..... I can hook you up man... all you need is this cable....
It's a habit, 'ya know... just one of those things I... must.... do..... can't stop..... starting windows.... NNNNOOOOooooooooooooo!!!!!
*six hours later*
Ah... satisfied the urge. Now goddamnit, the project is even later than ever. Better copy some random garbage into a.c file and say windows crashed and blew away my work (again)... yeah... that'll convince 'em... yeah...
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Yep... those were the days... back when I knew the entire AT command set, could tweak a modem down to a latency of 150ms.... when we created bits by banging rocks together... yessir.. those were the days....
Let me get this straight... you've spent thousands of hours playing quake... you've avoided coding your project for two months... your drivers are out of date... your dog left you... your SO left you... you haven't slept in weeks... and your boss wants to know if you're still working there.
After all this, you're gonna download Q3 and do it all again?! Yessir.. that's the general idea...
As another reader pointed out, Lotus has some issues to resolve. Now, if anybody has ever had to use keyboard shortcuts for Netscape and thought the same shortcuts work under linux... ah, well. And Netscape is actually somewhat compliant to the "windowish" way of doing things... after reading this critique.. I wouldn't be suprised if Lotus threw foot pedals under each user's machine and had them "play" their computer like an organ to do something simple like send an e-mail! --
Ummm, the MAJC processor by Sun, Merced, and the not-here-yet chip from Transmeta all use predictive(sp?) logic to speed up execution, if that's what you're referring to. Been there, done that.... --
He's right, you know. At the current rate even nanotech will run out of options. Shall we move to using quarks and quantum physics to keep up with Moore's Law? I can just see it now - you're playing a cool-ass game of quake, and all of the sudden *bzzzt*. Oh crap, my quantum computer just "tunnelled" to another random location in the universe! Well... atleast Intel would like a computer that did that - brings new meaning to the words "forced obsolence" doesn't it? =) --
Sphere idea - friction may not be an issue. Simply put something along the floor that's piezo-electric (generates electricity when pressure is applied) in small segments, and then use hydraulics to move it. You can coat it with a thin layer of something to prevent people from damaging it as well, such as teflon. --
You know, the last time the DOJ appointed a special-anything on a case this size... it resulted in a massive embarassment of the entire country, and a man caught with his pants down.
Now, we already have massive embarassment, and after that incident at comdex...
Not unless you go through the effort of redirecting DNS queries and setting up your own AIM server to mimick AOLs. It's not a "major" security risk per-say - insofar as not many people have the resources to exploit it, and those who do likely have better exploits than this.
My concern is that AOL did not release a patch after this became public knowledge. Everybody knows there's a bug in that client. Sending executable code over the wire is never a good idea on something as woefully under-authenticated as tcp/ip. I have nothing but contempt for AOL - and I'm extremelly worried that they might do something equally stupid with other products - such as the AOL v5 client now shipping. How many buffer overflows does *that* thing depend on, or what is being sent over the wire that their customers are blithingly unaware of?
There are more serious questions to answer than the "buffer overflow" in the client. Where is the outrage over this? This should be prime time news!
... I'm should have been more clear on that third sentence. Their leader believes he's god, and at the "highest" level of enlightenment, this is supposedly revealed to you. --
I'm not suprised. Scientology is not a religion - it's a huge political grab for power. It's also a complete joke. God is allegedly their leader, and in order to reach higher levels of "enlightenment" you're required to pay absolutely huge sums of money to the perveyors of this "religion". There isn't another religion on the planet that protects it's holy books from outsiders and requires huge fees to purchase them. Infact, I have people banging down my door to give me free copies of their holy books!. Bleh. Just another example of what happens when you fuse politics, idiots, and religion together...
Am I being alittle insensitive here? Flamebait? Yeah, probably. But these people are more annoying than Rush Limbaugh when quoting statistics...
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Any fool can create legalise and obscure things, and any fool will mind it. Information has been, and always will be... free. The RIAA would spend it's resources better trying to make water run uphill.
I'm not confused - not a single little tiny bit. Alan Cox has an entire "fork" of the linux source sitting on his harddrive, and he syncs in changes from other developers on a regular basis. Eventually linus will put those patches in. I've seen a plethora of linux patches on the 'net doing everything from hardening the kernel against hacking attempts to running on hardware I didn't even know existed until they released linux on it!
Forking is not the big issue people think it is. Usually the fork is necessary to, say, test out a new idea (egcs for example), or because the current development has gotten stale (gimp). In both cases there was negligible impact on the users. egcs has superceded gcc, and has done so without incident. There are major differences between the internals of gcc and egcs. Gimp development has been "revived" (some question if it was ever dead!), and everything is happy in linux land.
Yes, I read it. I was alittle confused by what this chap is asking - if he's trying to do PKI, my question would be why?! Streaming byte-by-byte would also be abhorrently slow. I just can't see a reason why you'd want to do it... but yes, I read your article - very informative. --
No, but it's just plain silly to have a PKI streaming protocol. What possible use could it be? It would be slow, and confer no advantages. Perhaps exchanging a shared key for use with a symetric protocol... --
DES (and it's derivatives) all support various kinds of "streaming" - cipherblocks to be exact. I'm no crypto expert, but I have a copy of the "des" source on my system, which I use from time to time to get some ad hoc encryption channel courtesy of netcat to pipe output from tar, gzip, dump, or whatever. It moves along pretty quickly.
You can encrypt/decrypt byte by byte with DES, and if I'm not mistaken any of the "fish" protocols also support various feedback modes to do streaming as well. Just be sure you feed it a prime number as the key, or your entropy goes down more than "alittle".
Uploading warez and pr0n to the target site, and then posting the URL to usenet.
Giving the DMA (Direct Marketing Association) a list of valid e-mail accounts on the target machine.
Posting a link to the site to slashdot.
Upgrading the site to Windows 1900^H^H^H^H2000.
Remotely disabling the espresso machine via a super-sophisticated Power Deactivation Sequencer, thus causing crazed and caffeine-deprived civilians to start a revolution.
Tell AOL they have an entire country that wants a free trial offer!
Invite Linus to give a speech to senior military officials about linux. "You know, it's a small kernel.. but it's a nice kernel... I like my nice kernel..." (ed: anybody remember that keynote?)
Using electromagnetic pulses to make women's hair stand on end, thus forcing them to continually be in the bathroom to "fix" their hair.
True story: dropping oversize condoms onto enemy troops to demoralize them. The US actually did this during vietnam. It may not be cyberwarfare, but hey, mentioning sex will get this post moderated up, up, up!
There is no 10 - somebody else will be posting it shortly though I'm sure. =)
Redhat replaces it's CEO, and then Mandrake goes and gets a new CTO. Now, I know open source is cool, and lets you copy other's ideas... but perhaps we're taking this alittle too far here? =)
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Eh, as you can see, history is replete with people proclaiming the end of X technology...which then promptly goes on to become insanely popular. Windows is the exception - it sucked from the beginning, and it's *still* popular. Eh, the general rule holds true however... newspapers are in no danger of vanishing for the same reason people prefer having a nice book to curl up with in bed instead of a CRT monitor to read the latest O'Reilly book. Which, btw, I have tried curling up with a CRT. While it's a very nice way to keep warm during these minnesota winters.. it's alittle difficult to keep them from falling out of bed and throwing shrapnel all over the place. Eh.. it was only a 14" though. =)
Yes.. eventually all of these technologies will be phased out. However, as you can see this won't be happening with any rate of speed. Don't think that just because time runs at 20x normal speed (Unless your upstream provider is AT&T *rimshot*) online it does so in the offline world as well!
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Vendors don't "get it", and I don't mean open source - technical specs should be open, if for no other reason than to allow a) peer review which b) promotes your product, if worthy, to be the "best" on the market, which leads to c) lots of money. Right now they're a) not publishing which b) pisses off alot of computer enthusiasts who c) either ignore the hw all together, or d) even go a step further and publically denounce the product. Geee..... Anybody from Sales heard about this? You know - meeting quota would be alot easier if you took the development heads out for a "friendly" game of paintball.... *hint, hint*
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Wonderful. Next we'll have huge banners of Maoix (If you don't install our distro, you'll never see your family again!) floating over the US. Maybe *that's* what they were talking about when they said they were going to be involved in cyberwarfare...
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This only proves you're an idiot. Go download quake and meet me on one of ID's servers... I've been itching to blow away this "Anonymous Coward" guy for awhile now...
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It's a habit, 'ya know... just one of those things I... must.... do..... can't stop..... starting windows.... NNNNOOOOooooooooooooo!!!!!
*six hours later*Ah... satisfied the urge. Now goddamnit, the project is even later than ever. Better copy some random garbage into a .c file and say windows crashed and blew away my work (again)... yeah... that'll convince 'em... yeah...
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ATH1
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*remote end*
ATA
CONNECT 21600/V42
Proboard v2.08 [Unregistered]...........
Yep... those were the days... back when I knew the entire AT command set, could tweak a modem down to a latency of 150ms.... when we created bits by banging rocks together... yessir.. those were the days....
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After all this, you're gonna download Q3 and do it all again?! Yessir.. that's the general idea...
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As another reader pointed out, Lotus has some issues to resolve. Now, if anybody has ever had to use keyboard shortcuts for Netscape and thought the same shortcuts work under linux... ah, well. And Netscape is actually somewhat compliant to the "windowish" way of doing things... after reading this critique.. I wouldn't be suprised if Lotus threw foot pedals under each user's machine and had them "play" their computer like an organ to do something simple like send an e-mail!
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Perhaps NDS and file sharing over linux?
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Ummm, the MAJC processor by Sun, Merced, and the not-here-yet chip from Transmeta all use predictive(sp?) logic to speed up execution, if that's what you're referring to. Been there, done that....
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He's right, you know. At the current rate even nanotech will run out of options. Shall we move to using quarks and quantum physics to keep up with Moore's Law? I can just see it now - you're playing a cool-ass game of quake, and all of the sudden *bzzzt*. Oh crap, my quantum computer just "tunnelled" to another random location in the universe! Well... atleast Intel would like a computer that did that - brings new meaning to the words "forced obsolence" doesn't it? =)
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Sphere idea - friction may not be an issue. Simply put something along the floor that's piezo-electric (generates electricity when pressure is applied) in small segments, and then use hydraulics to move it. You can coat it with a thin layer of something to prevent people from damaging it as well, such as teflon.
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Now, we already have massive embarassment, and after that incident at comdex...
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My concern is that AOL did not release a patch after this became public knowledge. Everybody knows there's a bug in that client. Sending executable code over the wire is never a good idea on something as woefully under-authenticated as tcp/ip. I have nothing but contempt for AOL - and I'm extremelly worried that they might do something equally stupid with other products - such as the AOL v5 client now shipping. How many buffer overflows does *that* thing depend on, or what is being sent over the wire that their customers are blithingly unaware of?
There are more serious questions to answer than the "buffer overflow" in the client. Where is the outrage over this? This should be prime time news!
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... I'm should have been more clear on that third sentence. Their leader believes he's god, and at the "highest" level of enlightenment, this is supposedly revealed to you.
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Am I being alittle insensitive here? Flamebait? Yeah, probably. But these people are more annoying than Rush Limbaugh when quoting statistics...
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Cute, but if I read it correctly it'll fall through right away without executing the next line. What's the point in that?
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Bah, I can tell you to do it much easier than that - use BASIC. >:)
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Any fool can create legalise and obscure things, and any fool will mind it. Information has been, and always will be... free. The RIAA would spend it's resources better trying to make water run uphill.
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Forking is not the big issue people think it is. Usually the fork is necessary to, say, test out a new idea (egcs for example), or because the current development has gotten stale (gimp). In both cases there was negligible impact on the users. egcs has superceded gcc, and has done so without incident. There are major differences between the internals of gcc and egcs. Gimp development has been "revived" (some question if it was ever dead!), and everything is happy in linux land.
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Yes, I read it. I was alittle confused by what this chap is asking - if he's trying to do PKI, my question would be why?! Streaming byte-by-byte would also be abhorrently slow. I just can't see a reason why you'd want to do it... but yes, I read your article - very informative.
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No, but it's just plain silly to have a PKI streaming protocol. What possible use could it be? It would be slow, and confer no advantages. Perhaps exchanging a shared key for use with a symetric protocol...
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You can encrypt/decrypt byte by byte with DES, and if I'm not mistaken any of the "fish" protocols also support various feedback modes to do streaming as well. Just be sure you feed it a prime number as the key, or your entropy goes down more than "alittle".
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Redhat replaces it's CEO, and then Mandrake goes and gets a new CTO. Now, I know open source is cool, and lets you copy other's ideas... but perhaps we're taking this alittle too far here? =)
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