Hmm. I just posted something really similar to this about 30 seconds ago.. and it got moderated away. Facinating. Apparently talking badly about star wars is cause to get -1'd...
This starwars cult-following is reaching maniacle proportions. How long until I see people on the highway beating each other over the head with light sabres?
C'mon people! Really - is it necessary to stand in line for *weeks* to get your ticket first? I mean, how many hundreds (thousands?) of dollars in unpaid leave did that cost you?
Save yourself the cash, and go buy a nice dual-celery instead...
With all this talk of sockets and network operation, I'd like to remind everyone that that is only now just *one* possibility for accessing the display. Let's not forget that under linux 2.2 we can access the display directly via/dev/fb* devices.
One might argue that if people are no longer struggling to survive and as such they will gravitate towards "non-boring" jobs... then you might arrive at the conclusion that open-source is the first of a long series of social changes which will be taking place in both mainstream, and computing culture.
However, the fundamental logic flaw here is.. event A is not linked to event B. People may not be dependent on "surviving" with a job.. but that does not necessarily mean that as a result, they will seek out non-boring jobs. There may be a group of people that seek more money, and will sacrifice personal satisfaction at the job to get it.
Linus makes a good point, but don't take it at face value.
That's the claim of a two pro-Microsoft trade associations. The Association For Competitive Technology (ACT) and The ASCII Group Inc., an industry association of resellers, are meeting today with more than 30 congressional offices to discuss the potential costs to consumers..."
Are we suprised? No. But to do something - we need to know what their points are so we can debunk them. Unfortunately, the Microsoft Borg seem to be adapting - they're not going public with what they're saying to our representatives. Thus, we cannot issue a rebuttal. Does anyone know if this will be appearing in the congressional reports?
Sheesh. After we have already incorporated all the drivers into the kernel, and have several companies (www.4front-tech.com) supporting the soundblaster... they just/now/ decide to release a driver.. binary only, no less?
Okay, at airports, security is tight. So this technology might very well be used there. But imagine what happens when they put this in at bars, schools, hospitals, or other places. How far will we invade people's privacy? Will people be able to say "no"?
Imagine if by simple x-ray scan someone knew that you were wearing a tape recorder. Think they'd want to talk to you?
Dig a little digging on their page. Turns out this exploit:
a) crashes the user's machine b) installs code to bypass the PIII feature c) uses that to set a cookie and display it to other websites.
Intel may have been correct - this has all the earmarkings of a trojan.. and regardless of who publishes it, it still remains one. But it's still incredibly petty of them to have symantec put a patch out for *just* the zero knowledge program. A real solution would be to have symantec develop an algorithm to warn the user of *any* attempt to bypass the PIII control panel, not just zero knowledge's ones.
I don't understand. Almost 50 years ago reports were pouring out of our colleges and education institutions saying that our public education wasn't fit for some people. Alternative "learning styles" is one. Fifty years ago, they discovered that some people learn differently.. some are auditory learners, others visual, others hands-on. In the article, it basically laid out the fact that public schools only suit a minority of students. It is ineffectual on those who don't prefer wrote memorization and auditory learning.
Fifty years later, schools are just *starting* to implement these ideas. Why must it take so long for schools to adapt? Will we need to wait fifty more years for schools to become wired? When will civil rights be an issue? When will people in school be treated like human beings?
I was rather curious as to how they would skirt the issue of how you can have someone agree to a license without reading it at purchase time. Think about it. "By opening this package, you agree to the license terms/inside/ this package". That's essentially what some stickers said! What if it said "I agree to transfer all my worldly posessions to microsoft"?
I think they just gave in because it's a) difficult to obtain compliance b) legal semantics, and c) let's not forget we had people "rioting" in the street over this issue around the world.
The people who turned out for refund day deserve a pat on the back. Congratulations people, it's one more step to world domination.;)
The author of this article didn't seem to do much research. There are several mailing lists and public editorials available on the subject of the GPL - specifically debian-legal and license-discuss.
My gripe is the same with most postings on linux - the reporters need to do research - ie look before you leap. It's not like we're hiding all this information from you - we make everything public, source included!:)
On the article's points:
- "Portions" The GPL makes this quite clear. ANY amount of source you pull from a GPL'd program, and you/must/ redistribute your work under GPL. the LGPL is different - use that if this is your concern. - "watering down" of the GPL further down the chain. Regardless of how many programs "down the chain" reuse the code.. it must be made available with all the provisions of the GPL intact. Other licenses may not be so restrictive, but this one is. Of course, nothing prevents you from making a more specific license and redistributing your code under/that/. ie. "Source must be distributed seperately from binary". Nothing in the GPL prohibits this.. it simply requires it be available publicily should it be requested.
Well, I think this incident has damaged microsoft's credibility, but that's beside the point. Microsoft isn't talking to us, the technical community. They aren't trying to convince us that NT is better. For those of us in server closets, in the operations center, and in system administration - we already know the truth. We don't need benchmarks and statistics to tell us NT is unreliable.
The plain fact is, Microsoft did this to appeal to middle/upper-management, not us. They need to keep feeding them reasons to keep their NT investment without looking stupid. Remember the mainframe days? Shortly after the PC came out, a torrent of similar "debate" emerged from the mainframe community. First they laughed, then they fought, then the PC community won. Suprise. History repeats itself.
Unfortunately not. We won't have one up for another week. We ran some testing with our cooling apparatus.. two tests failed (one with spectacular results!), but we did cool the system down, albeit with lots of hissing from evaporating dry ice. We later discovered we could make it more effective if we *didn't* have air running over the dry ice.:/ Stupid. I should have known that.
Anyway, I fried an AMD K6-350 (my fault) by not resetting the jumpers from 3.5 to 2.2v. The new one will arrive today. I'll have a webpage up within a week. Slashdot may post it. Or maybe not. We'll see. I'll e-mail you once I get everything back into shape.;^)
We've done it using dry ice. The chip dropped temp to around -100C. It ran perfectly. We managed to take a P120/60MHz bus => P200/100Mhz bus. Stable.
It can be done. We've done it. Thermal contraction is only an issue if you cool it *too quickly* - we're looking into nitrogen for the next test. Passive submersion - the whole board. Should be interesting. But to answer your question again - thermal contraction until about -100C is a joke - don't worry about it. Much.
For me, this isn't a question, but an answer, and the wrong one at that. Let me explain. Right now, linux is only really useful to hackers/programmers/geeks. The reason is, only hackers, programmers, and geeks use it. There is right now a push underway to add another group - the average user. But are we certain we want to traverse this path? Microsoft has shown that when you combine simplicity with stupidity, you get unstable programs and operating systems. The users demand more and more - they don't care whether code looks beautiful, they care about themes and cool sounds and new mouse pointers and talking paper clips. What's the net result? Software engineering.
Software engineering is built on one principal - "build it to spec". The spec in this case is, make it easy enough for a dummy to use. Well, it does that. It's also woefully unstable.
Now, the UNIX heritage is a different story. It's Computer science. An idea is presented, evaluated by it's peers, and brought to implementation if it's agreed it's the best solution at the time. The net result is - progress is slower, but the foundation is much more stable. You have a powerful set of versatile utilities you can use for a variety of tasks - grep, awk, named pipes. Software engineering, however, does not have "versatility" listed in the spec, nor should it - it's built to order. One goal, one purpose, one solution.
Before we invite the average user into the fold, we should ask ourselves - are we being impatient? Let's show them what computer science can do, and avoid computer engineering.
Sorry, but the only black holes I've been able to find are in my dryer - I still don't know where the Other Sock goes. All the other black holes we know of are about a million lightyears away. Not terribly efficient. Maybe we can invite one over for lunch?
I researched and found the same thing. I'll be using a higher-grade toilet paper this week after reading the report. I'm certain this is simply the ms press machine at work.
TO ANYONE POSTING IN THIS THREAD:
Please, we know microsoft does these things, let's PLEASE try to keep on topic here. Criques of the article only, not microsoft's *cough* media strategy.
The RPMs did come out prematurely. I'm pretty sure it was because of pressure from KDE. That really suprised me because open source has a history of only being released "when it's done". Witness the linux kernel - how many prepatches did we need again? Anyway, I use gnome here at home, the only problem I've seen is that it periodically "eats" my config files. Other than that, rock stable, easy to use.. and of course, fast (once you modify the defaults to get rid of the stylish 3d stuff).
Keep up the good work gnome dev guys, you've got an excellent model, and a good product. But don't rush it. I waited a long time for Quake to be released, I'm sure (atleast I can) we can wait until it's really ready for prime-time.
Everybody wishes they designed slashdot. Cool site, great news, wierd webmaster.. what more could you want? Plus you get to sleep in and do none other than.. code! Then of course, there's those Anonymous Cowards.. descending on us like the aforementioned quote. From hell they come! Hell!
I'm taking college right now for two reasons - the first is that college is less about learning specific things, than the art of learning itself. College students are very adept at picking up skillsets quickly - invaluable for any job, technology especially. My second reason is: everyone believes that right now is the time to enter the job market. The economy is booming, and you can make a nice chunk of change in short order, instead of laboring through college. Let me remind you that capitalism comes in cycles. We are in the longest expansionary period ever - it won't last. Then the job market WILL enter a recession. Will your employer pick you, 5 years experience, no degree, or a college grad with 2 years experience? I leave it to you to decide.
I'm taking college right now for two reasons - the first is that college is less about learning specific things, than the art of learning itself. College students are very adept at picking up skillsets quickly - invaluable for any job, technology especially. My second reason is: everyone believes that right now is the time to enter the job market. The economy is booming, and you can make a nice chunk of change in short order, instead of laboring through college. Let me remind you that capitalism comes in cycles. We are in the longest expansionary period ever - it won't last. Then the job market WILL enter a recession. Will your employer pick you, 5 years experience, no degree, or a college grad with 2 years experience? I leave it to you to decide.
I'm taking college right now for two reasons - the first is that college is less about learning specific things, than the art of learning itself. College students are very adept at picking up skillsets quickly - invaluable for any job, technology especially. My second reason is: everyone believes that right now is the time to enter the job market. The economy is booming, and you can make a nice chunk of change in short order, instead of laboring through college. Let me remind you that capitalism comes in cycles. We are in the longest expansionary period ever - it won't last. Then the job market WILL enter a recession. Will your employer pick you, 5 years experience, no degree, or a college grad with 2 years experience? I leave it to you to decide.
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Hmm. I just posted something really similar to this about 30 seconds ago.. and it got moderated away. Facinating. Apparently talking badly about star wars is cause to get -1'd...
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This starwars cult-following is reaching maniacle proportions. How long until I see people on the highway beating each other over the head with light sabres?
C'mon people! Really - is it necessary to stand in line for *weeks* to get your ticket first? I mean, how many hundreds (thousands?) of dollars in unpaid leave did that cost you?
Save yourself the cash, and go buy a nice dual-celery instead...
--
With all this talk of sockets and network operation, I'd like to remind everyone that that is only now just *one* possibility for accessing the display. Let's not forget that under linux 2.2 we can access the display directly via /dev/fb* devices.
--
One might argue that if people are no longer struggling to survive and as such they will gravitate towards "non-boring" jobs... then you might arrive at the conclusion that open-source is the first of a long series of social changes which will be taking place in both mainstream, and computing culture.
However, the fundamental logic flaw here is.. event A is not linked to event B. People may not be dependent on "surviving" with a job.. but that does not necessarily mean that as a result, they will seek out non-boring jobs. There may be a group of people that seek more money, and will sacrifice personal satisfaction at the job to get it.
Linus makes a good point, but don't take it at face value.
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That's the claim of a two pro-Microsoft trade associations. The Association For Competitive Technology (ACT) and The ASCII Group Inc., an industry association of resellers, are meeting today with more than 30 congressional offices to discuss the potential costs to consumers..."
Are we suprised? No. But to do something - we need to know what their points are so we can debunk them. Unfortunately, the Microsoft Borg seem to be adapting - they're not going public with what they're saying to our representatives. Thus, we cannot issue a rebuttal. Does anyone know if this will be appearing in the congressional reports?
--
Sheesh. After we have already incorporated all the drivers into the kernel, and have several companies (www.4front-tech.com) supporting the soundblaster... they just /now/ decide to release a driver.. binary only, no less?
--
Okay, at airports, security is tight. So this technology might very well be used there. But imagine what happens when they put this in at bars, schools, hospitals, or other places. How far will we invade people's privacy? Will people be able to say "no"?
Imagine if by simple x-ray scan someone knew that you were wearing a tape recorder. Think they'd want to talk to you?
--
Dig a little digging on their page. Turns out this exploit:
a) crashes the user's machine b) installs code to bypass the PIII feature c) uses that to set a cookie and display it to other websites.
Intel may have been correct - this has all the earmarkings of a trojan.. and regardless of who publishes it, it still remains one. But it's still incredibly petty of them to have symantec put a patch out for *just* the zero knowledge program. A real solution would be to have symantec develop an algorithm to warn the user of *any* attempt to bypass the PIII control panel, not just zero knowledge's ones.
Sorry intel, close - but no cigar.
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I don't understand. Almost 50 years ago reports were pouring out of our colleges and education institutions saying that our public education wasn't fit for some people. Alternative "learning styles" is one. Fifty years ago, they discovered that some people learn differently.. some are auditory learners, others visual, others hands-on. In the article, it basically laid out the fact that public schools only suit a minority of students. It is ineffectual on those who don't prefer wrote memorization and auditory learning.
Fifty years later, schools are just *starting* to implement these ideas. Why must it take so long for schools to adapt? Will we need to wait fifty more years for schools to become wired? When will civil rights be an issue? When will people in school be treated like human beings?
Standarized education.. has failed.
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Now that microsoft has the IETF.. and soon Internet2... we may still wind up with windoze 2000 running the world. *sigh*
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I was rather curious as to how they would skirt the issue of how you can have someone agree to a license without reading it at purchase time. Think about it. "By opening this package, you agree to the license terms /inside/ this package". That's essentially what some stickers said! What if it said "I agree to transfer all my worldly posessions to microsoft"?
;)
I think they just gave in because it's a) difficult to obtain compliance b) legal semantics, and c) let's not forget we had people "rioting" in the street over this issue around the world.
The people who turned out for refund day deserve a pat on the back. Congratulations people, it's one more step to world domination.
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The author of this article didn't seem to do much research. There are several mailing lists and public editorials available on the subject of the GPL - specifically debian-legal and license-discuss.
:)
/must/ redistribute your work under GPL. the LGPL is different - use that if this is your concern. /that/. ie. "Source must be distributed seperately from binary". Nothing in the GPL prohibits this.. it simply requires it be available publicily should it be requested.
My gripe is the same with most postings on linux - the reporters need to do research - ie look before you leap. It's not like we're hiding all this information from you - we make everything public, source included!
On the article's points:
- "Portions" The GPL makes this quite clear. ANY amount of source you pull from a GPL'd program, and you
- "watering down" of the GPL further down the chain. Regardless of how many programs "down the chain" reuse the code.. it must be made available with all the provisions of the GPL intact. Other licenses may not be so restrictive, but this one is. Of course, nothing prevents you from making a more specific license and redistributing your code under
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Well, I think this incident has damaged microsoft's credibility, but that's beside the point. Microsoft isn't talking to us, the technical community. They aren't trying to convince us that NT is better. For those of us in server closets, in the operations center, and in system administration - we already know the truth. We don't need benchmarks and statistics to tell us NT is unreliable.
The plain fact is, Microsoft did this to appeal to middle/upper-management, not us. They need to keep feeding them reasons to keep their NT investment without looking stupid. Remember the mainframe days? Shortly after the PC came out, a torrent of similar "debate" emerged from the mainframe community. First they laughed, then they fought, then the PC community won. Suprise. History repeats itself.
--
Unfortunately not. We won't have one up for another week. We ran some testing with our cooling apparatus.. two tests failed (one with spectacular results!), but we did cool the system down, albeit with lots of hissing from evaporating dry ice. We later discovered we could make it more effective if we *didn't* have air running over the dry ice. :/ Stupid. I should have known that.
;^)
Anyway, I fried an AMD K6-350 (my fault) by not resetting the jumpers from 3.5 to 2.2v. The new one will arrive today. I'll have a webpage up within a week. Slashdot may post it. Or maybe not. We'll see. I'll e-mail you once I get everything back into shape.
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We've done it using dry ice. The chip dropped temp to around -100C. It ran perfectly. We managed to take a P120/60MHz bus => P200/100Mhz bus. Stable.
It can be done. We've done it. Thermal contraction is only an issue if you cool it *too quickly* - we're looking into nitrogen for the next test. Passive submersion - the whole board. Should be interesting. But to answer your question again - thermal contraction until about -100C is a joke - don't worry about it. Much.
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This is unsuprising. They'll probably stay in business for awhile based on all the kickbacks and slushfunds they get from spammers.
;)
Thank god domains will soon cost $5, and NSI will be broke due to competition.
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For me, this isn't a question, but an answer, and the wrong one at that. Let me explain.
Right now, linux is only really useful to hackers/programmers/geeks. The reason is, only hackers, programmers, and geeks use it. There is right now a push underway to add another group - the average user. But are we certain we want to traverse this path?
Microsoft has shown that when you combine simplicity with stupidity, you get unstable programs and operating systems. The users demand more and more - they don't care whether code looks beautiful, they care about themes and cool sounds and new mouse pointers and talking paper clips. What's the net result? Software engineering.
Software engineering is built on one principal - "build it to spec". The spec in this case is, make it easy enough for a dummy to use. Well, it does that. It's also woefully unstable.
Now, the UNIX heritage is a different story. It's Computer science. An idea is presented, evaluated by it's peers, and brought to implementation if it's agreed it's the best solution at the time. The net result is - progress is slower, but the foundation is much more stable. You have a powerful set of versatile utilities you can use for a variety of tasks - grep, awk, named pipes. Software engineering, however, does not have "versatility" listed in the spec, nor should it - it's built to order. One goal, one purpose, one solution.
Before we invite the average user into the fold, we should ask ourselves - are we being impatient? Let's show them what computer science can do, and avoid computer engineering.
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Sorry, but the only black holes I've been able to find are in my dryer - I still don't know where the Other Sock goes. All the other black holes we know of are about a million lightyears away. Not terribly efficient. Maybe we can invite one over for lunch?
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>Linux 2.2.x has the same default window size. The memory limit is hard coded in Linux, unless you apply some patches.
I'd beg to differ here - passing mem=000M via lilo will cause linux to address that memory - provided the system has that much addressible space.
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I researched and found the same thing. I'll be using a higher-grade toilet paper this week after reading the report. I'm certain this is simply the ms press machine at work.
TO ANYONE POSTING IN THIS THREAD:
Please, we know microsoft does these things, let's PLEASE try to keep on topic here. Criques of the article only, not microsoft's *cough* media strategy.
--
The RPMs did come out prematurely. I'm pretty sure it was because of pressure from KDE. That really suprised me because open source has a history of only being released "when it's done". Witness the linux kernel - how many prepatches did we need again? Anyway, I use gnome here at home, the only problem I've seen is that it periodically "eats" my config files. Other than that, rock stable, easy to use.. and of course, fast (once you modify the defaults to get rid of the stylish 3d stuff).
Keep up the good work gnome dev guys, you've got an excellent model, and a good product. But don't rush it. I waited a long time for Quake to be released, I'm sure (atleast I can) we can wait until it's really ready for prime-time.
--
Everybody wishes they designed slashdot. Cool site, great news, wierd webmaster.. what more could you want? Plus you get to sleep in and do none other than.. code! Then of course, there's those Anonymous Cowards.. descending on us like the aforementioned quote. From hell they come! Hell!
--
I'm taking college right now for two reasons - the first is that college is less about learning specific things, than the art of learning itself. College students are very adept at picking up skillsets quickly - invaluable for any job, technology especially. My second reason is: everyone believes that right now is the time to enter the job market. The economy is booming, and you can make a nice chunk of change in short order, instead of laboring through college. Let me remind you that capitalism comes in cycles. We are in the longest expansionary period ever - it won't last. Then the job market WILL enter a recession. Will your employer pick you, 5 years experience, no degree, or a college grad with 2 years experience? I leave it to you to decide.
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I'm taking college right now for two reasons - the first is that college is less about learning specific things, than the art of learning itself. College students are very adept at picking up skillsets quickly - invaluable for any job, technology especially. My second reason is: everyone believes that right now is the time to enter the job market. The economy is booming, and you can make a nice chunk of change in short order, instead of laboring through college. Let me remind you that capitalism comes in cycles. We are in the longest expansionary period ever - it won't last. Then the job market WILL enter a recession. Will your employer pick you, 5 years experience, no degree, or a college grad with 2 years experience? I leave it to you to decide.
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I'm taking college right now for two reasons - the first is that college is less about learning specific things, than the art of learning itself. College students are very adept at picking up skillsets quickly - invaluable for any job, technology especially. My second reason is: everyone believes that right now is the time to enter the job market. The economy is booming, and you can make a nice chunk of change in short order, instead of laboring through college. Let me remind you that capitalism comes in cycles. We are in the longest expansionary period ever - it won't last. Then the job market WILL enter a recession. Will your employer pick you, 5 years experience, no degree, or a college grad with 2 years experience? I leave it to you to decide.
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