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Gee, thanks for telling me that man pages are obsolete, RMS. Is that why I enjoy using them so much? This is every bit as stupid as Microsoft telling us that Unix is obsolete - I don't care it it fits somebody's idea of what obsolete is, I like it.
1) First of all, despite Linus's wild popularity, RMS has probably contributed more to Linux than he has. For instance, how far would Linux get without emacs, gcc, and all the GNU utils?
And where would GNU be without the Linux kernel? is Hurd at 0.0.1 yet?
I don't have emacs installed on my computer and as far as the utils are concerned it's not the utilities I like about Unix, but the sparse, conceptually simple kernel.
And no doubt that is why he is so bitter about not being internationally acclaimed. It sounds as though he is starting to realize the futility of material gain. In his case the material is attention, not money, as it is with most people but RMS is every bit as misguided as those mid-80's stockbroker stereotype folk.
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So basically you're insulted that anyone could think breeding isn't the most important thing they can ever do.
"Breeding" is the most important thing humans do - that's not opinion, that's biology. Anyone who thinks that accomplishing some goal is more important that sharing intimacy with another person (I'm talking about love here, not sex) has got a lot of growing up to do.
Well, I sugest you check out the Oxford English Dictionary, the definitive dictionary of the english language, and try to find "miseducate." I wouldn't hold my breath.
Where in the article is the line "and the person who put the page up is getting away scot-free"? Nowhere - that's because it's not happening. The person who put the page up is getting prosectuted, but so is the company that turned a blind eye (or didn't bother to turn an eye at all) to what he was doing with the public and open Why not blame the phone company then for transmitting the images? It would make just as much sense.
NO, it wouldn't. The service that the phone company provides is one which is protected by privacy laws. Since the telco has no way to monitor what goes over its lines it cannot be held responsible under the law. Obviously something that is made public (like, say a webpage) isn't protected under privacy laws and the provider therefore had the responsibility to ensure that what was being made public was not illegal. It is exactly the same, under the law, as the owner of public advertising boards being responsible to make sure that the person who rents the board does not put something pornographic or hate-based on it.
How do you propose that ISPs should go about policing millions of web pages
How many ISPs do you know of that have millions (or even hundreds of thousands) of subscribers. Not too many - only the big suckers like AOL or MSN. They would suffer, but then they can afford to hire a dozen people to check out web accounts fulltime. The smaller ISPs wouldn't have a problem at all since the vast majority of subscribers don't even have web pages.
Do you have even an inkling of the magnitude of effort that would require?
Of course I do, you like tit. I own and operate an ISP.
should the owner of a bunch of high-rise apartments (or his/her hired security people) go from door to door each day, checking to see that the tenants aren't selling/consuming dope, cheating on their taxes, getting HBO illegally, abusing their kids, downloading warez, carrying illegal handguns, etc?
The difference is that when you rent an apartment there is an expectation of privacy which prevents the owner from doing searches for illegal activity whic is why they are not responsible in this case. If, however, the renter rented a street display window and committed crimes from it then the owner would be responsible. It may be difficult to police but then I suppose the point is that only responsible people should be in the business of providing - not just any dip with a trunk line.
If upheld, it will do alot of damage to the smaller French ISPs
Not at all. If anything this will hurt the larger ISPs. Small providers will have no problem keeping an eye on the content of a couple of hundred sites but a large provider (like, say, the phone company) would have to hire dozens of full-time people to monitor 30 000 sites.
This is like busting a landlord because a tenant committed a crime in an apartment.
Or it could be viewed as being similar to a bar being responsible for people who drink teh the point of extreme intoxication on the premises. Since there is no expectation of privacy when you put up a web page there is nothing stopping the "landlord" from looking in to make sure you're not selling drugs out of your apartment.
But you have to admit that it's an attitude that isn't really conducive to organized production (a-la corporate workplace, irregardless of what you may think of that). "Oh, you know. Just come in whenever and work on something that holds your interest," isn't something you get to hear until you've spent many, many years in the industry.
Pieces like the above are great for Wired, but not so exciting for./
Yes, here at "dotslash" we're all so gosh darn brilliant we can't possibly deign to read anything that we may or may not alreday know. I was thinking of contributing an article on IPv6, but since everyone must know all about that I won't bother.
It might be worthy to point out that those "other difficult parts of a Unix-like operating system)" form the basis of Linux.
That's probably why he specifies that they are difficult parts of the OS.
instead of just "In 1991 he began developing a free Unix kernel for 386 machines using the Free Software Foundation's toolkit."
So I write a word processor in Borland Pascal (not that I would) and it's the "Borland Word Processor," right? I mean, after all - the compiler is the hardest part. Anyone could write a word processor (except, of course, the FSF couldn't write a kernel).
The Ode was rather diappointing - 10 pages working up to RMS doling out the same tired, old rehash of his favorite slogans - "Free speech, not free beer", "GNU/Linux, not Linux", "I don't care about the end user," etc.
Hey, they're not all bad. Sure they, crash now and then, but come on - good effort guys! I'm not gping to complain about the problems with something because I don't care if it gets fixed or not.
You're talking about stereotypes? You basically just said that Indians and SE-Asians in general are better programmers because they're "foreigners". I think this assumption is based on the fact that are a substantial population of them in University but this has more to do with the fact that it's the "thing to do" - not because they are inherently better at it than your average "white folk."
It's true that the last scene of a lot of the adventures is of Calvin waking up in class, but with C&H the punchline was never the last thing said - it was usually the second-last statement or frame that was the real joke. The "waking up" was more of a wrap-up.
As for giving up - I respect him a great deal for that. I think I did see two strips towards the end that really were repeats of earlier stuff and I think he knew it. I'm glad he didn't indulge himself and let it linger on like Peanuts which, however clever it may have once been, is incredibly dull now.
When they are polled about government involvement and taxation, they consistently want the governement to get out of their face. See Angus Reid poll July 1996.
I was, of course, talking about the silent majority that keeps voting in the governments that you would have us believe act against our will - not the majority of people who bother to respond to polls. Since Angus Reid isn't StatsCan people aren't obliged to respond to them.
I hope our American friends don't get the wrong impression and think we like the state running our lives.
Why do you care so much about what the states think of our livestyle?
After all Canada is not Sweden.
After all, if we were we would have the highest per-capita GDP and lowest poverty rates in the world.
Here's a riddle: What have the CBC the CRTC and Canada Post got in common? Nothing!
Canada Post is a crown corporation set up to run the postal system in Canada. It is suffering as a result of the reduced demand for postal mail.
The CBC is a crown corporation that is set up to provide public broadcasting and promote the film and screen industry in Canada. It would be thriving in the information age were it not for constant funding reductions and lame-duck timeslot decisions made by its executives.
The CRTC is a federal commission originally set up to regulate broadcast frequencies in Canada but has had its mandate altered over the years (by our own elected officials) to include Canadian content regulation.
These three entities have nothing in common besides the fact that they are in some way related to the federal government which is, I suspect, the only thing that you don't like about them. As far as not changing to suit the times: Canada Post can't because its mandate is only to distribute mail - do you want to government to extend that to include competing with up-and-coming IT businesses that would put your greasy ass out of work? No, I didn't think so.
The CBC has changed with the times as well as any TV and radio broadcaster can. Its biggest problem is that the material that it chooses to show is not as racy as the stuff that is shown by non-federally-funded broadcasters. As a news broadcaster it is unequalled in the country and, dare I say it, North America.
The CRTC has changed with the times which is probably why you don't like it. Admittedly, some of the views seem outdated but, in reality, they represent the opinions of the majority of Canadians whether you like it or not.
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No kidding about the man pages:
This man page is not kept up to date except when volun-
teers want to maintain it. If you find a discrepancy
between the man page and the software, please check the
Info file, which is the authoritative documentation.
If we find that the things in this man page that are out
of date cause significant confusion or complaints, we will
stop distributing the man page. The alternative, updating
the man page when we update the Info file, is impossible
because the rest of the work of maintaining GNU CC leaves
us no time for that. The GNU project regards man pages as
obsolete and should not let them take time away from other
things.
Gee, thanks for telling me that man pages are obsolete, RMS. Is that why I enjoy using them so much? This is every bit as stupid as Microsoft telling us that Unix is obsolete - I don't care it it fits somebody's idea of what obsolete is, I like it.
1) First of all, despite Linus's wild popularity, RMS has probably contributed more to Linux than he has. For instance, how far would Linux get without emacs, gcc, and all the GNU utils?
And where would GNU be without the Linux kernel? is Hurd at 0.0.1 yet?
I don't have emacs installed on my computer and as far as the utils are concerned it's not the utilities I like about Unix, but the sparse, conceptually simple kernel.
RMS sacrificed much in his life
And no doubt that is why he is so bitter about not being internationally acclaimed. It sounds as though he is starting to realize the futility of material gain. In his case the material is attention, not money, as it is with most people but RMS is every bit as misguided as those mid-80's stockbroker stereotype folk.
So basically you're insulted that anyone could think breeding isn't the most important thing they can ever do.
"Breeding" is the most important thing humans do - that's not opinion, that's biology. Anyone who thinks that accomplishing some goal is more important that sharing intimacy with another person (I'm talking about love here, not sex) has got a lot of growing up to do.
No one can complain that RMS got short shrift! We'll have to think of something else to bleat about.
I think *somebody*'s read one too many Chick Tracts...
Well, I sugest you check out the Oxford English Dictionary, the definitive dictionary of the english language, and try to find "miseducate." I wouldn't hold my breath.
What ever happened to personal accountability?
Where in the article is the line "and the person who put the page up is getting away scot-free"? Nowhere - that's because it's not happening. The person who put the page up is getting prosectuted, but so is the company that turned a blind eye (or didn't bother to turn an eye at all) to what he was doing with the public and open
Why not blame the phone company then for transmitting the images? It would make just as much sense.
NO, it wouldn't. The service that the phone company provides is one which is protected by privacy laws. Since the telco has no way to monitor what goes over its lines it cannot be held responsible under the law. Obviously something that is made public (like, say a webpage) isn't protected under privacy laws and the provider therefore had the responsibility to ensure that what was being made public was not illegal. It is exactly the same, under the law, as the owner of public advertising boards being responsible to make sure that the person who rents the board does not put something pornographic or hate-based on it.
How do you propose that ISPs should go about policing millions of web pages
How many ISPs do you know of that have millions (or even hundreds of thousands) of subscribers. Not too many - only the big suckers like AOL or MSN. They would suffer, but then they can afford to hire a dozen people to check out web accounts fulltime. The smaller ISPs wouldn't have a problem at all since the vast majority of subscribers don't even have web pages.
Do you have even an inkling of the magnitude of effort that would require?
Of course I do, you like tit. I own and operate an ISP.
I don't seem to see where I goofed up.
The word "miseducated" does not exist - perhaps you meant "uneducated" or even "poorly educated."
While an American is showing just how stupid he is...
Thanks for slowing the German advance for all of three weeks in WWII
Thanks for deciding to join WWI in the last few months and WWII in Europe in the last two years.
I'm a big fan of "Vichy" France
I'm a big fan of McCarthyism
Wasn't it an Exocet missle fired from a Mirage jet that the French sold to Iraq which almost sank the USS Stark?
Weren't the rest of Iraq's arms largely bought from the US?
Those Tomcat pilots really appreciated your denial to fly through your airspace on their way to bomb the crap out of Libya
I'm sure the civilians that were getting bombed because your president got his cock sucked really appreciated it too.
Yeah, I guess he just didn't get teached good as you.
should the owner of a bunch of high-rise apartments (or his/her hired security people) go from door to door each day, checking to see that the tenants aren't selling/consuming dope, cheating on their taxes, getting HBO illegally, abusing their kids, downloading warez, carrying illegal handguns, etc?
The difference is that when you rent an apartment there is an expectation of privacy which prevents the owner from doing searches for illegal activity whic is why they are not responsible in this case. If, however, the renter rented a street display window and committed crimes from it then the owner would be responsible. It may be difficult to police but then I suppose the point is that only responsible people should be in the business of providing - not just any dip with a trunk line.
If upheld, it will do alot of damage to the smaller French ISPs
Not at all. If anything this will hurt the larger ISPs. Small providers will have no problem keeping an eye on the content of a couple of hundred sites but a large provider (like, say, the phone company) would have to hire dozens of full-time people to monitor 30 000 sites.
This is like busting a landlord because a tenant committed a crime in an apartment.
Or it could be viewed as being similar to a bar being responsible for people who drink teh the point of extreme intoxication on the premises. Since there is no expectation of privacy when you put up a web page there is nothing stopping the "landlord" from looking in to make sure you're not selling drugs out of your apartment.
This is the guy who wrote the "Unix is Dead" article - "IBM's VM is the happening OS," so how much can we really trust this pundit.
Let them grow beards, let them be free!
But you have to admit that it's an attitude that isn't really conducive to organized production (a-la corporate workplace, irregardless of what you may think of that). "Oh, you know. Just come in whenever and work on something that holds your interest," isn't something you get to hear until you've spent many, many years in the industry.
Pieces like the above are great for Wired, but not so exciting for ./
Yes, here at "dotslash" we're all so gosh darn brilliant we can't possibly deign to read anything that we may or may not alreday know. I was thinking of contributing an article on IPv6, but since everyone must know all about that I won't bother.
Geoff Hamilton
It might be worthy to point out that those "other difficult parts of a Unix-like operating system)" form the basis of Linux.
That's probably why he specifies that they are difficult parts of the OS.
instead of just "In 1991 he began developing a free Unix kernel for 386 machines using the Free Software Foundation's toolkit."
So I write a word processor in Borland Pascal (not that I would) and it's the "Borland Word Processor," right? I mean, after all - the compiler is the hardest part. Anyone could write a word processor (except, of course, the FSF couldn't write a kernel).
The Ode was rather diappointing - 10 pages working up to RMS doling out the same tired, old rehash of his favorite slogans - "Free speech, not free beer", "GNU/Linux, not Linux", "I don't care about the end user," etc.
Hey, they're not all bad. Sure they, crash now and then, but come on - good effort guys! I'm not gping to complain about the problems with something because I don't care if it gets fixed or not.
You're talking about stereotypes? You basically just said that Indians and SE-Asians in general are better programmers because they're "foreigners". I think this assumption is based on the fact that are a substantial population of them in University but this has more to do with the fact that it's the "thing to do" - not because they are inherently better at it than your average "white folk."
It's true that the last scene of a lot of the adventures is of Calvin waking up in class, but with C&H the punchline was never the last thing said - it was usually the second-last statement or frame that was the real joke. The "waking up" was more of a wrap-up.
As for giving up - I respect him a great deal for that. I think I did see two strips towards the end that really were repeats of earlier stuff and I think he knew it. I'm glad he didn't indulge himself and let it linger on like Peanuts which, however clever it may have once been, is incredibly dull now.
When they are polled about government involvement and taxation, they consistently want the governement to get out of their face. See Angus Reid poll July 1996.
I was, of course, talking about the silent majority that keeps voting in the governments that you would have us believe act against our will - not the majority of people who bother to respond to polls. Since Angus Reid isn't StatsCan people aren't obliged to respond to them.
I hope our American friends don't get the wrong impression and think we like the state running our lives.
Why do you care so much about what the states think of our livestyle?
After all Canada is not Sweden.
After all, if we were we would have the highest per-capita GDP and lowest poverty rates in the world.
Here's a riddle: What have the CBC the CRTC and Canada Post got in common? Nothing!
Canada Post is a crown corporation set up to run the postal system in Canada. It is suffering as a result of the reduced demand for postal mail.
The CBC is a crown corporation that is set up to provide public broadcasting and promote the film and screen industry in Canada. It would be thriving in the information age were it not for constant funding reductions and lame-duck timeslot decisions made by its executives.
The CRTC is a federal commission originally set up to regulate broadcast frequencies in Canada but has had its mandate altered over the years (by our own elected officials) to include Canadian content regulation.
These three entities have nothing in common besides the fact that they are in some way related to the federal government which is, I suspect, the only thing that you don't like about them. As far as not changing to suit the times: Canada Post can't because its mandate is only to distribute mail - do you want to government to extend that to include competing with up-and-coming IT businesses that would put your greasy ass out of work? No, I didn't think so.
The CBC has changed with the times as well as any TV and radio broadcaster can. Its biggest problem is that the material that it chooses to show is not as racy as the stuff that is shown by non-federally-funded broadcasters. As a news broadcaster it is unequalled in the country and, dare I say it, North America.
The CRTC has changed with the times which is probably why you don't like it. Admittedly, some of the views seem outdated but, in reality, they represent the opinions of the majority of Canadians whether you like it or not.
"I am Linus Torvalds and I pronounce Linux as Leenooks."
Of course, I still call it Lie-nucks.