"Even the BSD's have made it to the desktop (MacOS) with more success than Linux. It's no surprise, look at the licensing differences."
Perhaps Sun and Microsoft's new partnership with end with a melding of Solairs kernel with some sort of Microsoft added GUI akin to Apple and FreeBSD? As much as I dislike Microsoft, this could be a great product!
"What's the point of Sun wasting its time with a specific flavor of Unix for the desktop when Gnome is Unix neutral."
Because they need to offer a customized and standardized desktop solution to their Solaris business enterprise clients that integrates very well into their enterprise class solutions. This makes a great deal of sense and is necessary for Sun to offer support.
"Microsoft has announced plans to release a javascript client framework library for use with ASP.NET 2.0 that makes AJAX style browser clients easier to code"?
Nine out of ten Script Kiddies agree Microsoft makes the tastiest software. It's now even harder on your wallet and still twice as vulnerable!
"Sometimes programmers should stick to programming."
Precisely why they are asking for your help in submitting a logo!
"Yet the FreeBSD group now seeks some official looking sterile abstract icon so they can show everyone their software is 'Pro'?"
Obviously a little more PR and advertising of the BSDs are needed. Almost everyone has heard of Linux, however, very few outside of more "serious" IT circles or IT hobbyists have even heard of BSD, let alone FreeBSD. John Q. Public needs to know there is a better alternative and solution than Linux or at least they would have the knowledge that more options exist and they may choose either route themselves.
Even with all the/. crowd getting on Theo's mannerisms lately, nothing beats OpenBSD for setting up a secure device or box...perfect for a router or firewall where security is critical.
I've had 3+ hour spreadsheet calcs on a loaded P4 2.26GHz, so there certainly is a need for some for this type of horsepower! That's a damn long coffee break when you have work to do.
Those calcs were pulling data from locally cached databases [since you can't access millions of rows natively in spreadsheets], vlookups, and some 4-line forumlas. I've since moved to a loaded Sun Java Workstation W2100 (dual AMD Opterons) and the same types of calcs are only 20 minutes.
Seriously look at OpenSolaris (totally free, but brand new and a tad rough in spots [package mgmt, install]) or Solaris 10 (free, but requires registration).
I've used most major Linux distros and FreeBSD quite a bit, but I currently run Solaris 10 as the 64-bit SMP is bar none the best out there. If that weren't a major issue, I might be using FreeBSD as it is also very good and has a great package management system and a much better kernel than Linux. BTW, Solaris 10 also includes StarOffice as the default office suite, and it is much better, IMHO, than OpenOffice.
" That's funny. I don't use BSD because there are things I don't like about it."
Indeed, that is funny. The more I learn about BSD's and Solaris, the more "correct" they become over the implementations in Linux. Alternately, you could read this as: The more you fully understand about Unix, the less you'll like Linux and their way of accomplishing things.
What?? Mac OS X is one of the mose secure OS's around, and it wouldn't exist without FreeBSD and their associated BSD license. Now if everyone used Mac OS X, the computing world be much safer as a whole.
In fact, if you contribute code to BSD project and "msft, and other" use this code, that use is encouraged and not considered "pirated"!
Apple bundles iCal, Mail, Pages, Keynote, and their upcoming spreadsheet program for business for free. Slap in some more collaboration software to tie the entire mess together and business have more to gain than loose trying to maintain their Windows crap.
"...Longhorn will introduce software and hardware support that will make moving
seem worth the millions of dollars it would take again, significantly more
so than a forced migration to XP from 2000, and for similar kinds of gains in
functionality as from Windows 3.11 to Windows 2000."
Hopefully by then Mac OS X will be well on it's way on the x86/64 platform!
I use Solaris 10 on my dual Opteron and it's MUCH better than Linux and more polished than FreeBSD. Although the userland apps & package management lag most FOSS OSs'. Hopefully OpenSolaris with fix the last part.
Imagine Debian userland and apt-get on a Solaris kernel!
Stability, SMP is MUCH better than Linux/BSD, faster, more secure, dTrace, zones & containers, predictive self-healing, compatability, commercial support for Solaris 10, ZFS (soon), project Janus (soon), etc....
Hopefully OpenSolaris.org will put and end to that. It would be great to have a merge, not grossly unlike HERD, of Debian package-management and userland on top of the Solaris kernel.
A good question indeed. Perhaps IBM choosing Linux has more to do with the faults of AIX on that scale then it really does with the strengths of Linux? Perhaps not.
Still, I believe it would be cold day in hell before IBM suggests that anyone install Solaris on their hardware, no matter how good Solaris is or becomes.
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Apparenlty you haven't seen their Ultra 20 Workstation!
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It starts under $900, free for 90-day trial, or own if free with Sun Services subscription.
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I agree that yet another MS GUI would be disgusting, however, if this is what it takes to rid the world of Windows...I'd welcome it!
/. would use it, but if everyone else did, perhaps I could enjoy a holiday without running spybot on relatives computers....
Of course, nobody reading
"Even the BSD's have made it to the desktop (MacOS) with more success than Linux. It's no surprise, look at the licensing differences."
Perhaps Sun and Microsoft's new partnership with end with a melding of Solairs kernel with some sort of Microsoft added GUI akin to Apple and FreeBSD? As much as I dislike Microsoft, this could be a great product!
"What's the point of Sun wasting its time with a specific flavor of Unix for the desktop when Gnome is Unix neutral."
Because they need to offer a customized and standardized desktop solution to their Solaris business enterprise clients that integrates very well into their enterprise class solutions. This makes a great deal of sense and is necessary for Sun to offer support.
"Microsoft has announced plans to release a javascript client framework library for use with ASP.NET 2.0 that makes AJAX style browser clients easier to code"?
Nine out of ten Script Kiddies agree Microsoft makes the tastiest software. It's now even harder on your wallet and still twice as vulnerable!
"Sometimes programmers should stick to programming."
Precisely why they are asking for your help in submitting a logo!
"Yet the FreeBSD group now seeks some official looking sterile abstract icon so they can show everyone their software is 'Pro'?"
Obviously a little more PR and advertising of the BSDs are needed. Almost everyone has heard of Linux, however, very few outside of more "serious" IT circles or IT hobbyists have even heard of BSD, let alone FreeBSD. John Q. Public needs to know there is a better alternative and solution than Linux or at least they would have the knowledge that more options exist and they may choose either route themselves.
'nuff said.
/. crowd getting on Theo's mannerisms lately, nothing beats OpenBSD for setting up a secure device or box...perfect for a router or firewall where security is critical.
Even with all the
I've had 3+ hour spreadsheet calcs on a loaded P4 2.26GHz, so there certainly is a need for some for this type of horsepower! That's a damn long coffee break when you have work to do.
Those calcs were pulling data from locally cached databases [since you can't access millions of rows natively in spreadsheets], vlookups, and some 4-line forumlas. I've since moved to a loaded Sun Java Workstation W2100 (dual AMD Opterons) and the same types of calcs are only 20 minutes.
Point being, Power to the Nerds!
Seriously look at OpenSolaris (totally free, but brand new and a tad rough in spots [package mgmt, install]) or Solaris 10 (free, but requires registration).
I've used most major Linux distros and FreeBSD quite a bit, but I currently run Solaris 10 as the 64-bit SMP is bar none the best out there. If that weren't a major issue, I might be using FreeBSD as it is also very good and has a great package management system and a much better kernel than Linux. BTW, Solaris 10 also includes StarOffice as the default office suite, and it is much better, IMHO, than OpenOffice.
Name: Osama Bin Laden
Address: 5586 Ti..."Hey, wait a minute...!"
" And you're surprised by this why?"
Because even Microsoft knows UNIX systems don't need antivirus software!
"Theater: Price of movie anywhere from $2.00 (no more dollar shows anymore, apparently :( ) to $9.50, and that's PER PERSON."
Apparently you've never been to California where some movie theatre prices can be $18.00+ per person!
# echo $PATH # PATH= # export PATH
/usr/local/* can easily be resolved.
Now your
I bet you didn't even know what a "path" was, did you?
" That's funny. I don't use BSD because there are things I don't like about it."
Indeed, that is funny. The more I learn about BSD's and Solaris, the more "correct" they become over the implementations in Linux. Alternately, you could read this as: The more you fully understand about Unix, the less you'll like Linux and their way of accomplishing things.
"GPL offers a little more protection"
What?? Mac OS X is one of the mose secure OS's around, and it wouldn't exist without FreeBSD and their associated BSD license. Now if everyone used Mac OS X, the computing world be much safer as a whole.
In fact, if you contribute code to BSD project and "msft, and other" use this code, that use is encouraged and not considered "pirated"!
Easy!
Apple bundles iCal, Mail, Pages, Keynote, and their upcoming spreadsheet program for business for free. Slap in some more collaboration software to tie the entire mess together and business have more to gain than loose trying to maintain their Windows crap.
Can't you easily remove Dashboard in Mac OS X by simply typing "rm -rf /"?
Then the "know how" I believe you were referring to requires salvaging data and reinstalling the OS on your toasted OS.
"...Longhorn will introduce software and hardware support that will make moving seem worth the millions of dollars it would take again, significantly more so than a forced migration to XP from 2000, and for similar kinds of gains in functionality as from Windows 3.11 to Windows 2000."
Hopefully by then Mac OS X will be well on it's way on the x86/64 platform!
erm, perhaps like OpenOffice/StarOffice?
...'nuff said.
I use Solaris 10 on my dual Opteron and it's MUCH better than Linux and more polished than FreeBSD. Although the userland apps & package management lag most FOSS OSs'. Hopefully OpenSolaris with fix the last part.
Imagine Debian userland and apt-get on a Solaris kernel!
Stability, SMP is MUCH better than Linux/BSD, faster, more secure, dTrace, zones & containers, predictive self-healing, compatability, commercial support for Solaris 10, ZFS (soon), project Janus (soon), etc....
Check it out.
Ckeck out Blastwave.org http://www.blastwave.org/ for some torrents, apps, guides, and other goodies.
Additionally, SunFreeware http://www.sunfreeware.com/ is another great site for getting applications.
Actually, soon enough you can run all the Linux applications via project Janus. So then, who cares about this so called 'Linux kernel'?
Hopefully OpenSolaris.org will put and end to that. It would be great to have a merge, not grossly unlike HERD, of Debian package-management and userland on top of the Solaris kernel.
A good question indeed. Perhaps IBM choosing Linux has more to do with the faults of AIX on that scale then it really does with the strengths of Linux? Perhaps not.
Still, I believe it would be cold day in hell before IBM suggests that anyone install Solaris on their hardware, no matter how good Solaris is or becomes.