Don't forget biodiesel. With pretty simple processing it's possible to turn waste oil into biodiesel. It's a great way to recycle, is better for your engine and has less emissions.
Why couldn't apple the computer company buy apple the record company and put this to rest forever. They have several billion in cash and lots of stock to trade.
Alternatively there is no way in hell "iTunes music lable" would conflict with the apple records trademark. So maybe there is no reason to buy them, you can simply tell to go fuck themselves knowing full well you would win any trademark dispute.
That's why it's more important to go after the corporate market then the home market. Once corporate uptake goes up so will uptake in the home.
Same with linux actually. The fact of the matter is that people will eat whatever you shove down their throat. Once OO and linux gets shoved down their throat at work, they will start eating at home and not before.
"And the percentage of programmers that write code which helps companies make a profit is relatively high."
Virtually every programmer helps their company make money by improving efficiency or process. That's not what I am talking about. I am talking about people who program on software for sale.
"My limited brain thinks about, say, you are an insurance agency. You run a website, which is served by some customized GPL3 code, then you will have to make that source public.
Ah I see, no that's not true. Stallman never said that. He is talking about something much more specific. Perhaps you should read some of what he has said.
It's a good thing because laws don't change until they hurt the rich and powerful. If MS gets slapped with a dozen such suits and loses all of them for a half a billion they will have lost 6 billion dollars which will not hurt them at all but.... Never mind.
I was going to say that if MS was hurt enough they might lobby to change the laws but I just realized they would have to lose hundreds of lawsuits before they even noticed. Bill Gates will look under the cushions of his couch and find enough money to pay this guy off and be on his merry way.
"Is there a burden of proof on one side or the other in a patent dispute to show that the alleged infringer copied the idea instead of developing it independently?"
In the case of patents it doesn't matter. If you are coder with a decent amount of experience then there is a 100% probability that you have violated somebodies patent. It doesn't matter matter if you came up with it independently.
My beef is that A) You claim that you can't build database applications fast with PHP (which I proved to be wrong) and B) ASP.NET is more productive then PHP (which is a judgement).
Even if we presume that ASP.NET is more productive then PHP that's setting the bar very low for yourself aren't you. Shouldn't you try to be more productive then webobjects, or ruby on rails, or java studio using JSF, or better yet using oracle toolset?
"Gnome is getting pretty good, but compared to Windows or OS X the point at which the windows-icons-mouse-pointer paradigm falls down still comes much sooner than in Windows or OS X"
Ok then use the mac. I don't give a shit which you like better and I bet most other people don't either. I don't care what you like, I don't care what you use. I use gnome and I like it.
"Linux is nice, and serves me as a Unix zealot quite well for a home desktop, but I still haven't seen a Linux distribution in which it is as easy to install an application as in the mainstream OSes."
I think it goes without saying that everybody who uses unix is a zealot. There is no appreciable difference between somebody who uses unix and a terrorist who flies planes into a building.
"I (like most people with computers) have a large collection of music on my computer, because it's so much easier to manage than a giant pile of CDs. Listening to music from one's computer is a common use for desktop machines these days. There's no way in hell a consumer or non-power-user is going to knowingly choose an OS with such weak audio abilities"
Once again what does this have to do with KDE or Gnome or the desktop? You are severely confused about which parts of the opering system do what.
"There is no stable ABI for vendors to create hardware drivers to, the ABI is in a constant state of flux along with the rest of the kernel and drivers compiled for a certain version are progressively more unlikely to work with each successive minor version of the kernel. The situation is nearly as bad for open source drivers which need regular maintenance to remain in sync with the audio API. It's no wonder most hardware vendors don't want to touch Linux with a stick."
What does this have to do with the desktop? That does this have to do with KDE or Gnome?
"You don't suppose all those millions of ATA DVD drives being sold are finding their way into servers do you?"
What does this have to do with KDE or GNOME?
"None of his complaints have very much to do with the GUI but they are certainly related to the experience of trying to use a Linux machine as a desktop operating system."
Aah I see, every single one of your comments is offtopic when discussing KDE. You were just FUDing.
"feel empowered rather than limited by Linux, but I'm a wee bit of a nerd and few of my non-nerd friends who've sampled Linux have kept at it even with remote tech support at their bidding."
It sounds like you hate linux. If you use linux then you are one of the zealots you hate so much aren't you. Your friends should use windows though.
" What linux needs for the desktop market is an easy to use, and simple desktop."
Yea, it's called Gnome.
"For example, Sometimes, sound on linux can be an absolute bitch to get going."
What does this have to do with the desktop?
"The point is, that as long as simple issues like playing a video become mammoth tasks,"
What does this have to do with the desktop?
"There is a reason Apple is gaining market share - as well as mind share - and it's the OS that does it. I can do the majority of things I can do on a linux system (console and X side), and have a nice, pretty and *FUNCTIONAL* GUI for everything else. The end user experiance is second to none."
If you are happy using Macs then that's great you should stick with it.
None of your complaints have anything to do with the desktop. You are wanting applications and drivers.
I do find your santimony amusing though. You go on bragging about how ASP.NET is better then PHP as if that says something. Is it better then webobjects? Is it better then tapestry? is it better then ruby on rails? Is slapping gui controls in visual studio easier then using Java studio creator?
ASP.NET is just another freakin web application toolkit. To me it's in the middle to the bottom of the pack. There is nothing special about it, there are many products that are easier to use, create more cross browser applications, cost less, and make more scalable and easier to maintain code.
I just don't get you guys obsession with such a mediocre tool and programming paradigm.
Java web start is the obvious choice here. The fact that people are choosing AJAX instead of Java is due to the spectacular failure of SUN to....
1) Make sure that every desktop gets a new JVM which updates itself automatically. 2) Make sure that the java web start doesn't look ugly as ass and behaves weirdly. 3) Present the platform as an alternative to HTML development.
If I was MS I would not be proud of that spectacular failure. I don't know about you but I would classify flushing my company down the toilet a backstab.
"corporations, public ones at least, have the sole aim of filling their shareholders' pockets. they are required to do the best they legally can for their shareholders; this must always be the first consideration when they hand down orders to the little peons in the corporate machine rooms."
I agree with you. With a sociopath their impulse is to kill or rape somebody and they can't help but act on that impulse. Their higher thinking centers don't kick in and their lack of empathy makes it easy for them to take lives and to rape people.
COrporations are exactly the same. Their impulse is to make money and they can't help but act on it and their lack of empathy makes it easy for them to act in savage and inhumane manner.
"They're groups of people. They get together and decide what to do. Usually the controlling body of shareholders says "do wtf you want as long as I make oodles of money"."
You may have heard of a study done where it was shown that people are willing to deliver deadly amount of shocks to subjects if they can remain anonymous. Humans are like that. When relieved of responsibility and guaranteed anonymity they can be incredibly savage and cruel.
Corporations were invented to shirk responsiblity and to diffuse responsibility enough to maintain anonymity. Within the context of corporations human beings act in incredibly vile ways. This is why it's so easy to for a corporation to kill hundreds of people just to save 50 cents on a part.
"And then Red Hat's support team evidently couldn't help them. Maybe it's just that Red Hat isn't qualified to administer a Linux server like this."
From the article....
<quote>"We asked the customer to do a diagnostic test and the customer never responded, so it was impossible for us to address the issue," Mr McLaren says.</quote>
Apparently these bozos expected Red Hat to try and determine what the problem was using Tarot cards or something. If you are unwilling to run a diagnostic then you are customer worth losing.
"I can understand the long install time. This is proof on one of the major flaws with linux. Poor documentation, poor standards across distros, and obscure undocumented dependencies."
What? For SAP? It takes an army of consultants to install SAP on any OS, maintenance is a whole other ball of wax.
Not to corporations. Corporations are psychotic entities. If they were human beings they would be rapists, mass murderers, thieves, and all around criminals.
recently somebody did a study of mass murderers and found out that virtually every single one of them could not perform a simple test that measured impulse control. It seems like inability to control impulses is a necessary trait (although not sufficient) for mass murderers. Corporations also can not control their impulses. They have no concept of delayed gratification or long range planning. They live for the moment and need instant gratification. Corporations also lack empathy just like mass murders.
I suppose that's all to be expected from soul-less creatures like corporations. When you summon a soul-less immortal being into existance you should brace for the worst right?
One can only hope huh? I doubt it's ballmer though, he is worried about bigger fish to fry. I can imagine a microserf throwing chairs around to try and impress the hierarchy though, wouldn't that be a hoot.
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Why would a cockroach need to invent vehicles when we are perfectly happy to carry them and their seed all over the planet and eventually mars.
Don't forget biodiesel. With pretty simple processing it's possible to turn waste oil into biodiesel. It's a great way to recycle, is better for your engine and has less emissions.
Why couldn't apple the computer company buy apple the record company and put this to rest forever. They have several billion in cash and lots of stock to trade.
Alternatively there is no way in hell "iTunes music lable" would conflict with the apple records trademark. So maybe there is no reason to buy them, you can simply tell to go fuck themselves knowing full well you would win any trademark dispute.
"Remeber in the old days the saying was "No one ever got fired for buying IBM"?"
Look at what happened in the end. IBM is out of the PC business, cheaper alternatives forced them out of that market.
Same will happen with MS. Cheaper alternatives will force them out of the office and OS market. They will turn into a service company just like IBM.
That's why it's more important to go after the corporate market then the home market. Once corporate uptake goes up so will uptake in the home.
Same with linux actually. The fact of the matter is that people will eat whatever you shove down their throat. Once OO and linux gets shoved down their throat at work, they will start eating at home and not before.
"And the percentage of programmers that write code which helps companies make a profit is relatively high."
Virtually every programmer helps their company make money by improving efficiency or process. That's not what I am talking about. I am talking about people who program on software for sale.
"My limited brain thinks about, say, you are an insurance agency. You run a website, which is served by some customized GPL3 code, then you will have to make that source public.
Ah I see, no that's not true. Stallman never said that. He is talking about something much more specific. Perhaps you should read some of what he has said.
I'll answer your question with another one.
Of all the people who write code for a living, what percent makes money bu coding for an application that is for sale to the public?
My guess is that it's pretty small.
Err what happened to "write your own fucking code ya leech"?
It seems like that's surely an option, no?
It's a good thing because laws don't change until they hurt the rich and powerful. If MS gets slapped with a dozen such suits and loses all of them for a half a billion they will have lost 6 billion dollars which will not hurt them at all but.... Never mind.
I was going to say that if MS was hurt enough they might lobby to change the laws but I just realized they would have to lose hundreds of lawsuits before they even noticed. Bill Gates will look under the cushions of his couch and find enough money to pay this guy off and be on his merry way.
"Is there a burden of proof on one side or the other in a patent dispute to show that the alleged infringer copied the idea instead of developing it independently?"
In the case of patents it doesn't matter. If you are coder with a decent amount of experience then there is a 100% probability that you have violated somebodies patent. It doesn't matter matter if you came up with it independently.
I said gnome because gnome is the default desktop for every major distribution. SUSE, Red Hat/fedora, debian, ubuntu all default to gnome.
My beef is that A) You claim that you can't build database applications fast with PHP (which I proved to be wrong) and B) ASP.NET is more productive then PHP (which is a judgement).
Even if we presume that ASP.NET is more productive then PHP that's setting the bar very low for yourself aren't you. Shouldn't you try to be more productive then webobjects, or ruby on rails, or java studio using JSF, or better yet using oracle toolset?
"Gnome is getting pretty good, but compared to Windows or OS X the point at which the windows-icons-mouse-pointer paradigm falls down still comes much sooner than in Windows or OS X"
Ok then use the mac. I don't give a shit which you like better and I bet most other people don't either. I don't care what you like, I don't care what you use. I use gnome and I like it.
"Linux is nice, and serves me as a Unix zealot quite well for a home desktop, but I still haven't seen a Linux distribution in which it is as easy to install an application as in the mainstream OSes."
I think it goes without saying that everybody who uses unix is a zealot. There is no appreciable difference between somebody who uses unix and a terrorist who flies planes into a building.
"I (like most people with computers) have a large collection of music on my computer, because it's so much easier to manage than a giant pile of CDs. Listening to music from one's computer is a common use for desktop machines these days. There's no way in hell a consumer or non-power-user is going to knowingly choose an OS with such weak audio abilities"
Once again what does this have to do with KDE or Gnome or the desktop? You are severely confused about which parts of the opering system do what.
"There is no stable ABI for vendors to create hardware drivers to, the ABI is in a constant state of flux along with the rest of the kernel and drivers compiled for a certain version are progressively more unlikely to work with each successive minor version of the kernel. The situation is nearly as bad for open source drivers which need regular maintenance to remain in sync with the audio API. It's no wonder most hardware vendors don't want to touch Linux with a stick."
What does this have to do with the desktop? That does this have to do with KDE or Gnome?
"You don't suppose all those millions of ATA DVD drives being sold are finding their way into servers do you?"
What does this have to do with KDE or GNOME?
"None of his complaints have very much to do with the GUI but they are certainly related to the experience of trying to use a Linux machine as a desktop operating system."
Aah I see, every single one of your comments is offtopic when discussing KDE. You were just FUDing.
"feel empowered rather than limited by Linux, but I'm a wee bit of a nerd and few of my non-nerd friends who've sampled Linux have kept at it even with remote tech support at their bidding."
It sounds like you hate linux. If you use linux then you are one of the zealots you hate so much aren't you. Your friends should use windows though.
" What linux needs for the desktop market is an easy to use, and simple desktop."
Yea, it's called Gnome.
"For example, Sometimes, sound on linux can be an absolute bitch to get going."
What does this have to do with the desktop?
"The point is, that as long as simple issues like playing a video become mammoth tasks,"
What does this have to do with the desktop?
"There is a reason Apple is gaining market share - as well as mind share - and it's the OS that does it. I can do the majority of things I can do on a linux system (console and X side), and have a nice, pretty and *FUNCTIONAL* GUI for everything else. The end user experiance is second to none."
If you are happy using Macs then that's great you should stick with it.
None of your complaints have anything to do with the desktop. You are wanting applications and drivers.
Also take a look at this
"Please tell me how this can be done in less than 10 lines of code in php."
PHP Lens, there are others.
I do find your santimony amusing though. You go on bragging about how ASP.NET is better then PHP as if that says something. Is it better then webobjects? Is it better then tapestry? is it better then ruby on rails? Is slapping gui controls in visual studio easier then using Java studio creator?
ASP.NET is just another freakin web application toolkit. To me it's in the middle to the bottom of the pack. There is nothing special about it, there are many products that are easier to use, create more cross browser applications, cost less, and make more scalable and easier to maintain code.
I just don't get you guys obsession with such a mediocre tool and programming paradigm.
Java web start is the obvious choice here. The fact that people are choosing AJAX instead of Java is due to the spectacular failure of SUN to....
1) Make sure that every desktop gets a new JVM which updates itself automatically.
2) Make sure that the java web start doesn't look ugly as ass and behaves weirdly.
3) Present the platform as an alternative to HTML development.
If I was MS I would not be proud of that spectacular failure. I don't know about you but I would classify flushing my company down the toilet a backstab.
"corporations, public ones at least, have the sole aim of filling their shareholders' pockets. they are required to do the best they legally can for their shareholders; this must always be the first consideration when they hand down orders to the little peons in the corporate machine rooms."
I agree with you. With a sociopath their impulse is to kill or rape somebody and they can't help but act on that impulse. Their higher thinking centers don't kick in and their lack of empathy makes it easy for them to take lives and to rape people.
COrporations are exactly the same. Their impulse is to make money and they can't help but act on it and their lack of empathy makes it easy for them to act in savage and inhumane manner.
"They're groups of people. They get together and decide what to do. Usually the controlling body of shareholders says "do wtf you want as long as I make oodles of money"."
You may have heard of a study done where it was shown that people are willing to deliver deadly amount of shocks to subjects if they can remain anonymous. Humans are like that. When relieved of responsibility and guaranteed anonymity they can be incredibly savage and cruel.
Corporations were invented to shirk responsiblity and to diffuse responsibility enough to maintain anonymity. Within the context of corporations human beings act in incredibly vile ways. This is why it's so easy to for a corporation to kill hundreds of people just to save 50 cents on a part.
"And then Red Hat's support team evidently couldn't help them. Maybe it's just that Red Hat isn't qualified to administer a Linux server like this."
From the article....
<quote>"We asked the customer to do a diagnostic test and the customer never responded, so it was impossible for us to address the issue," Mr McLaren says.</quote>
Apparently these bozos expected Red Hat to try and determine what the problem was using Tarot cards or something. If you are unwilling to run a diagnostic then you are customer worth losing.
"I can understand the long install time. This is proof on one of the major flaws with linux. Poor documentation, poor standards across distros, and obscure undocumented dependencies."
What? For SAP? It takes an army of consultants to install SAP on any OS, maintenance is a whole other ball of wax.
Not to corporations. Corporations are psychotic entities. If they were human beings they would be rapists, mass murderers, thieves, and all around criminals.
recently somebody did a study of mass murderers and found out that virtually every single one of them could not perform a simple test that measured impulse control. It seems like inability to control impulses is a necessary trait (although not sufficient) for mass murderers. Corporations also can not control their impulses. They have no concept of delayed gratification or long range planning. They live for the moment and need instant gratification. Corporations also lack empathy just like mass murders.
I suppose that's all to be expected from soul-less creatures like corporations. When you summon a soul-less immortal being into existance you should brace for the worst right?
One can only hope huh? I doubt it's ballmer though, he is worried about bigger fish to fry. I can imagine a microserf throwing chairs around to try and impress the hierarchy though, wouldn't that be a hoot.
Oooh I am getting under the skin of the shills and astro turfers. Happy day!