Oracle used to offer their collaboration server as a hosted service. I think it was a pretty good idea, looks like they aren't doing it anymore. Too bad, it's pretty cool.
Exchange is one of those things that will very soon be made moot by the changing tides of technology. First of all the vast majority of businesses are tiny with less then 20 employees. It makes no sense to install and maintain a whole server just for email. In bigger organization you have a highly mobile and dispersed workforce living off their cell phones.
Take a look at something like.Mac service by apple. You get shared file storage, email, shared calenders, groups, syncronizing with your desktop, ical files you can take with you on your laptop (or ipod) etc all without having to install and maintain a server or even needing an office and for less then $100.00 per employee per year.
I know that sounds like a commercial but look at it, you get almost all the functionality of exchange for a fraction of the cost and none of the headache. Pretty soon Yahoo (which already has most of that functionality) or google will do it too. Along with the big boys there will be hundreds of smaller companies who can provide the same things by gluing together open source components.
My advice is to try to avoid an email (or collaboration) server in the first place. You don't need the headache and it's cheap to outsource.
" The thing I fear most about google is that it may dominate the online services world and gain a monopoly position. "
Why don't we worry about that if and when it happens.
"The question that I pose now is, "Can an open source project, resembling google, have a chance against google?" As long as the answer to that is yes, I have no problem with them. But it is my fear that in the future, the answer will be no. (I feel that google can still be wiped off the 'net)"
"No, people walking down the street protesting are using the street and I have no problem with peaceful protest at all. The ones who get my ire are the "black-block" kids who set up roadblocks, chain themselves to each other in front of doorways, smash storefronts and generally disrupt people as much as possible."
all protests disrupt somebody. If I protest a business I am disrupting the ability of the business to make money. If I protest a politician I am disrupting the ability of the politician to go about his corruption without notice.
With enough people like you in the world protests will be illegal. All protests are disruptive to somebody and people like you believe that right to live life without disruption is more important then the right to protest.
I don't have a VHS. I don't ever buy DVDs. I rent them and I don't give a fuck what region they were encoded in because I will only use them for a day or so.
It's different with TV. Once again walmart is not going to advertise on any format or media that the poor can't access.
All we really need is judges with balls enough to throw silly lawsuits out the window. See IBM v SCO for an example. Any fucking two year old would have been smart enough to ask SCO "which code did they steal"? But they judge has let this suit go on for three years without once asking that question.
"You do not have the right to restrict other people's freedom of movement."
Somehow I think the first amendment trumps your right to travel down a particular street. According to your logic all protests are illegal because they all involve a group of people walking down the street "disrupting" your right to go to a funeral.
"Blocking public streets and buildings is a crime, and I applaud when those protesters are removed and arrested."
well with people like you we are a day closer to fascism aren't we.
Really? Can you prove this or are you simply talking out of your ass?
"You've been convinced that what they've done is a crime, although nobody was hurt by it."
Lots of people have been hurt by it. Everybody who bought windows has been hurt by it.
"The idea that a company or individual should be punished for being too successful is morally wrong."
But they were not punished for that. They were punished for breaking the law. If you become successful by breaking the law then you are criminial. For example it's possible for drug dealers to be successful but they are still criminals.
"you're a shill for the DOJ or for the competitors that were suing (Sun, Netscape, AOL)."
You are defending MS, you are a shill. If someone told me that MCI, enron, nissan, or dupont was a criminal organization I certainly would not go on internet bulletin boards defending them or yelling and screaming about how they are not criminals. That's pathetic, psychotic and frankly creepy.
So what you are saying is that free speech should be subjugated the convenience of shoppers. If even one person gets their daily routine disrupted then you think it's a good idea to round up the protesters and move them into a back alley someplace where they won't bother anybody.
"Criminal ACCORDING TO THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE."
Well DOH!.
"Apparently, another DOJ/Sun/Netscape/AOL shill..."
I am not the one defending a corporation. You are. That's the definition of shill you know, somebody who defends corporations.
Personally I think there is something mentally wrong with people who affilifate themselves with corporations and products so closely they feel compelled to defend them vociferously whenever anybody critizes them.
I do have one question for you though. Of all corporations to pledge allegience to why did you choose MS? I mean maytag, nissan, callaway, and thousands of other corporations exist so why did you choose MS? Is it because they are rich and you feel powerful if you align yourself with a rich corporation?
If I was going to shill I would choose Honda. They make great stuff, I am not like you though, I don't have a desire to hang out at internet forums calling people who don't like honda products zealots and communists.
I disagree. Either MS will open up a loophole you can drive a truck through or this will be the best thing ever for open source and commercial software which competes with MS.
I can't wait for the future when it will be impossible to steal windows and other MS software. As long as people can get office for free they will never use openoffice.
Of course MS will never let it come to that. They will release non DRM software that anybody can copy and use. What's the alternative? Lock the third world out of their software?
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"Just remember, in the future, no DRM = no content"
Are you sure about this? There will be content being created all over the world in non DRM formats. Maybe DRM will allow/force us to see content not made by hollywood. I say it wouldn't be so bad to see some films coming out of south america, europe or maybe even iran.
Also consider that the poor will not be able to afford an HDTV and therefore will not see the advertising for walmart, k-mart, sears, coke, pepsi and whatnot. You really think people who make so much money off of the poor are going to lock themselves into a format that only the middle class can afford?
Besides consumers have never reacted well to restrictions, I for one don't see the the DRM future.
I for one would welcome an Ubuntu server edition. Not something that is updated every six months but maybe once a year and of course concentrating on server software. I suppose one could think of it as a red-hat enterprise version kind of distro.
Why couldn't something like an applet or java web start work? It would mean a fairly robust CPU but really not much else. The application can download the application and data and run them from the local cache.
" Money is best made in peace time,". That's a nice platitude too bad there is not one iota of evidence supporting it. Wars have gotten us out of depression and has made billions of dollars for a slew of industries. War is good for the economy.
"China has recently threatened Taiwan with war on several occasions"
Err nope, not really. They consider taiwan to be a part of their own country. The US agrees with them. How is it a threat to say that taiwan should not seceede especially since that's the official US policy?
"there is a war between the Mainland and the Guomindang island; there never was a peace treaty, since both sides see themselves as the legitimate rulers of all of China."
Ah well that does it the. I think we all remember the images of that horrible war burned into our memory cells right?
That's all you got? That's why you think china will wage war unless yahoo turns over their logs? That's your reason for trading with chine so that future wars like china vs goumindang island could be averted?
"Korea and other neighbors, sometimes escalating to war when tributes weren't paid."
When?
"Ever wondered why China has become such a vast nation?"
It's been a vast nation for longer then US has existed. China is not a warlike society and hasn't been so for decades. The US on the other can't go more then a five or six years without bombing the shit out of some brown people or another.
The republitards played you like a violin then didn't they. THe govt shrank under clinton/gore you know. You did know that right? Oh and it grew under reagan too. The deficit shrank under carter and clinton and grew under republican presidents. You did know that right?
You got duped because you believed platitudes and lies. The republitards told you that they were for a smaller govt and fiscal responsibility even though no republican president in recent history has ever sharnk the govt or reduced the deficit.
You are an excellent example of the saying "libertarians are republicans who are too ashamed to admit it".
Bush has said that god told him to run for president, god got him elected, god told him to attack saddam and invade iraq. He said god speaks through him too.
The republicans voted for you BECAUSE he said those things. Everybody who voted for bush was not alarmed by his statements and most of them liked what he said.
One wonders why Bush could not ask god for a favor and have him route the hurricanes away though. Apparently the conversation with god is one way.
"Read the Bible, figure it out for yourself. Don't reply here until you've gone through the whole concordance on the topic of sex. The Bible prohibits a massive number of things (prostitution, adultery, incest, bestiality, drunken orgies, anal sex with little boys, even homosexuality) -"
Can you tell me if the bible says homosexuals can't get married? I know it says they should be executed but I am wondering if it says they can't get married.
I find it odd that the christians want to prevent homosexuals from getting married but refuse to execute them like god told them to.
Don't laugh, There is an excellent chance gonzales will be on the supreme court. The same guy who justified torture and is now going after "deviant porn".
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Oracle used to offer their collaboration server as a hosted service. I think it was a pretty good idea, looks like they aren't doing it anymore. Too bad, it's pretty cool.
Exchange is one of those things that will very soon be made moot by the changing tides of technology. First of all the vast majority of businesses are tiny with less then 20 employees. It makes no sense to install and maintain a whole server just for email. In bigger organization you have a highly mobile and dispersed workforce living off their cell phones.
.Mac service by apple. You get shared file storage, email, shared calenders, groups, syncronizing with your desktop, ical files you can take with you on your laptop (or ipod) etc all without having to install and maintain a server or even needing an office and for less then $100.00 per employee per year.
Take a look at something like
I know that sounds like a commercial but look at it, you get almost all the functionality of exchange for a fraction of the cost and none of the headache. Pretty soon Yahoo (which already has most of that functionality) or google will do it too. Along with the big boys there will be hundreds of smaller companies who can provide the same things by gluing together open source components.
My advice is to try to avoid an email (or collaboration) server in the first place. You don't need the headache and it's cheap to outsource.
I am trying hard to think of a company MS partnered with but didn't stab in the back. I can't think of one.
" The thing I fear most about google is that it may dominate the online services world and gain a monopoly position. "
Why don't we worry about that if and when it happens.
"The question that I pose now is, "Can an open source project, resembling google, have a chance against google?" As long as the answer to that is yes, I have no problem with them. But it is my fear that in the future, the answer will be no. (I feel that google can still be wiped off the 'net)"
wikipedia and dmoz are a start don't you think?.
Please include SAPdb and ingres. Ingres seems to have lots of great features I would love to read an objective article about it.
"No, people walking down the street protesting are using the street and I have no problem with peaceful protest at all. The ones who get my ire are the "black-block" kids who set up roadblocks, chain themselves to each other in front of doorways, smash storefronts and generally disrupt people as much as possible."
all protests disrupt somebody. If I protest a business I am disrupting the ability of the business to make money. If I protest a politician I am disrupting the ability of the politician to go about his corruption without notice.
With enough people like you in the world protests will be illegal. All protests are disruptive to somebody and people like you believe that right to live life without disruption is more important then the right to protest.
So sad really.
I don't have a VHS. I don't ever buy DVDs. I rent them and I don't give a fuck what region they were encoded in because I will only use them for a day or so.
It's different with TV. Once again walmart is not going to advertise on any format or media that the poor can't access.
All we really need is judges with balls enough to throw silly lawsuits out the window. See IBM v SCO for an example. Any fucking two year old would have been smart enough to ask SCO "which code did they steal"? But they judge has let this suit go on for three years without once asking that question.
"You do not have the right to restrict other people's freedom of movement."
Somehow I think the first amendment trumps your right to travel down a particular street. According to your logic all protests are illegal because they all involve a group of people walking down the street "disrupting" your right to go to a funeral.
"Blocking public streets and buildings is a crime, and I applaud when those protesters are removed and arrested."
well with people like you we are a day closer to fascism aren't we.
" I'm not defending MS."
Yes you are. That's why you are a shill.
"You've been brainwashed to attack them. "
Really? Can you prove this or are you simply talking out of your ass?
"You've been convinced that what they've done is a crime, although nobody was hurt by it."
Lots of people have been hurt by it. Everybody who bought windows has been hurt by it.
"The idea that a company or individual should be punished for being too successful is morally wrong."
But they were not punished for that. They were punished for breaking the law. If you become successful by breaking the law then you are criminial. For example it's possible for drug dealers to be successful but they are still criminals.
"you're a shill for the DOJ or for the competitors that were suing (Sun, Netscape, AOL)."
You are defending MS, you are a shill. If someone told me that MCI, enron, nissan, or dupont was a criminal organization I certainly would not go on internet bulletin boards defending them or yelling and screaming about how they are not criminals. That's pathetic, psychotic and frankly creepy.
So what you are saying is that free speech should be subjugated the convenience of shoppers. If even one person gets their daily routine disrupted then you think it's a good idea to round up the protesters and move them into a back alley someplace where they won't bother anybody.
"Criminal ACCORDING TO THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE."
Well DOH!.
"Apparently, another DOJ/Sun/Netscape/AOL shill..."
I am not the one defending a corporation. You are. That's the definition of shill you know, somebody who defends corporations.
Personally I think there is something mentally wrong with people who affilifate themselves with corporations and products so closely they feel compelled to defend them vociferously whenever anybody critizes them.
I do have one question for you though. Of all corporations to pledge allegience to why did you choose MS? I mean maytag, nissan, callaway, and thousands of other corporations exist so why did you choose MS? Is it because they are rich and you feel powerful if you align yourself with a rich corporation?
If I was going to shill I would choose Honda. They make great stuff, I am not like you though, I don't have a desire to hang out at internet forums calling people who don't like honda products zealots and communists.
Do people really need reminders that MS is a criminal organization?
" nothing about this is good."
I disagree. Either MS will open up a loophole you can drive a truck through or this will be the best thing ever for open source and commercial software which competes with MS.
I can't wait for the future when it will be impossible to steal windows and other MS software. As long as people can get office for free they will never use openoffice.
Of course MS will never let it come to that. They will release non DRM software that anybody can copy and use. What's the alternative? Lock the third world out of their software?
"Just remember, in the future, no DRM = no content"
Are you sure about this? There will be content being created all over the world in non DRM formats. Maybe DRM will allow/force us to see content not made by hollywood. I say it wouldn't be so bad to see some films coming out of south america, europe or maybe even iran.
Also consider that the poor will not be able to afford an HDTV and therefore will not see the advertising for walmart, k-mart, sears, coke, pepsi and whatnot. You really think people who make so much money off of the poor are going to lock themselves into a format that only the middle class can afford?
Besides consumers have never reacted well to restrictions, I for one don't see the the DRM future.
I for one would welcome an Ubuntu server edition. Not something that is updated every six months but maybe once a year and of course concentrating on server software. I suppose one could think of it as a red-hat enterprise version kind of distro.
I wanted to clarify that as you only listed "liberals" in your list.
Why couldn't something like an applet or java web start work? It would mean a fairly robust CPU but really not much else. The application can download the application and data and run them from the local cache.
" Money is best made in peace time,". That's a nice platitude too bad there is not one iota of evidence supporting it. Wars have gotten us out of depression and has made billions of dollars for a slew of industries. War is good for the economy.
"China has recently threatened Taiwan with war on several occasions"
Err nope, not really. They consider taiwan to be a part of their own country. The US agrees with them. How is it a threat to say that taiwan should not seceede especially since that's the official US policy?
"there is a war between the Mainland and the Guomindang island; there never was a peace treaty, since both sides see themselves as the legitimate rulers of all of China."
Ah well that does it the. I think we all remember the images of that horrible war burned into our memory cells right?
That's all you got? That's why you think china will wage war unless yahoo turns over their logs? That's your reason for trading with chine so that future wars like china vs goumindang island could be averted?
"Korea and other neighbors, sometimes escalating to war when tributes weren't paid."
When?
"Ever wondered why China has become such a vast nation?"
It's been a vast nation for longer then US has existed. China is not a warlike society and hasn't been so for decades. The US on the other can't go more then a five or six years without bombing the shit out of some brown people or another.
The republitards played you like a violin then didn't they. THe govt shrank under clinton/gore you know. You did know that right? Oh and it grew under reagan too. The deficit shrank under carter and clinton and grew under republican presidents. You did know that right?
You got duped because you believed platitudes and lies. The republitards told you that they were for a smaller govt and fiscal responsibility even though no republican president in recent history has ever sharnk the govt or reduced the deficit.
You are an excellent example of the saying "libertarians are republicans who are too ashamed to admit it".
Bush has said that god told him to run for president, god got him elected, god told him to attack saddam and invade iraq. He said god speaks through him too.
The republicans voted for you BECAUSE he said those things. Everybody who voted for bush was not alarmed by his statements and most of them liked what he said.
One wonders why Bush could not ask god for a favor and have him route the hurricanes away though. Apparently the conversation with god is one way.
"In my experience, most proslytutes"
Does that include Rush LImbaugh, Bill O'Reilly, George Bush and the people who follow them?
"Read the Bible, figure it out for yourself. Don't reply here until you've gone through the whole concordance on the topic of sex. The Bible prohibits a massive number of things (prostitution, adultery, incest, bestiality, drunken orgies, anal sex with little boys, even homosexuality) -"
Can you tell me if the bible says homosexuals can't get married? I know it says they should be executed but I am wondering if it says they can't get married.
I find it odd that the christians want to prevent homosexuals from getting married but refuse to execute them like god told them to.
Don't laugh, There is an excellent chance gonzales will be on the supreme court. The same guy who justified torture and is now going after "deviant porn".
Welcome to the new America courtesy of G.W.B.
If it runs win32 then it's nothing like mac os X. Apple built a virtual machine to run OS9 programs.
So once again you are full of shit. Go fuck yourself and spread your FUD and astro turfing elsewhere.