I don't know if the scenario you outlines is any good for the comsumer. The local bells are going to have a monopoly on the wire, MS is going to have a monopoly on the traffic. The consumer gets screwed both ways.
For everyone who says google is another MS I guess there is one argument that proves otherwise. The same could be said of apple too. Is MS the only software company that wages vaporware wars? I think they are the only big company that does it.
Yes you are. You lied when you said that you had to use five different package managers to install software. For every distro there is one package manager. Just one. Stop lying about that OK. For most distros it's easier to install something in linux then windows.
"99% of the software I have installed was downloaded. I double clicked the little icon, then after hitting "next" a few times, the software was installed. "
You are lying again. You had to search for the software. You had to visit a web site. You had to find the download link. You had to download it. You most likely had to unzip it. You had to do all that before you even start to install it.
Compare that to yast where you click on yast and can browse hundreds of pieces of software and install them with one click. No licenses to agree to either.
STOP LYING and people might take you more seriously.
"The only thing I go to the store for was a video game."
Good for you. You are a rare creature in windows land. Somebody who never buys any software other then games. You are not a typical windows users. A typical windows users buys lots of software although most of them steal a lot of software too. They don't seem to have any ethical problems with stealing software.
"Do you *not* realize that *that* is the problem? Users don't want to dick around learning 5 different ways of obtaining packages, and either installing the binaries through different methods unique to their distro or installing from source. "
I know you have to lie to be able to spread your FUD but you should be more subtle with your lies OK?
1) Where is the big red INSTALL button on windows? 2) You not have to choose. Stop lying about this. Your distro chooses for you. FOr every distro there is one way to install software. Here is the best part. For all modern distros all available software is presented to the user in one index. It's much easier to install software in linux then it is to install in windows. 3) You do not every have to use the command line install software in linux.
STOP LYING.
COmpare installing software in windows to linux. In windows you have to buy 99% of your software. This means actually getting in a car and traveling to a store for gods sake. If you don't have to buy it then you have FIND IT ON THE INTERNET and the DOWNLOAD IT BY HAND, and then UNZIP IT BY HAND, and then finally you can start the install process. Compare that installing something from yast or apttitude.
You mean to tell me that it's easier to get in your car, drive to a store, pay for software, bring it home, and then install it while inputting your name, your company (why????), a 50 digit CD key, and clicking yes on five different dialogs including a license which gives MS the right to search your computer? Do you really think that's easier then clicking on YAST, finding a software that sounds interesting and then double clicking on it?
I remeber doing tech support over the phone once and the user (my dad) was confused as all hell because there were two files called "notepad" (or whatever it was) in the same directory. They looked different, had different colors, different icons, but they were named the same thing. Of course one was a ini file and the other an executable but windows was not set up to tell him that.
My other favorite is when somebody accidentally renamed the extention of the file and it "disappeared"!.
"Unfortunately, I must report that Microsoft is (predictably) still succeeding in protecting their incompatibilities, at least as regards PPT files."
I wanted to test the ability of OO to open up various PPT files. I tried opening up some the PPT files included with MSOffice and was not able to open them up because of DRM. That's right, it has nothing to with compatibility MS will not let you open up their PPT files in any application other then powerpoint.
So when some MS shill tells you that Ms is committed to open file formats tell them that and if you are within striking distance pop them on nose hard enough to deform them for life.
I use open office every day. I also have ms office installed but I only use it when I need to open a file that open office can't handle (which is pretty rare).
By the way open office can open up PPT files and export them to flash. Pretty damned cool when you want to publish your presentations to web.
Wow. You are a GENIOUS!. I bet no scientist every thought of solar activity cycles!. Those scientists are sure dumb. You figured it out but they are too stoopid to think of such a simple answer.
Maybe they are not stupid, maybe they are just evil greedy bastards taking money from the govt to lie to people about the environment. Next time I see a climotoligst dribe by in his bentley I am going to throw a rock at the filthy rich bastard. Where does he get off living in mansions, driving bentleys and weekending on their superyachts.
Scientists are stupid, greedy, liars. You should never trust them. Trust DaedalusLogic instead, he is a genious, he has this whole global warming things figured out. IT"S ALL BECAUSE OF SOLAR ACTIVITY!
"Of course, there is always the outside possibility of the lowered salinity disrupting the gulf stream and turning the entire earth into an ideal habitat for the polar bears"
OUtside possibility? How about a 100% chance that melting the ice cap will change both the salinity of the ocean and the albedo of the planet.
It's amazing to me that somebody could so blithlely write off melting off of the polar icecap as a non event.
The american education system has let this country down if it's producing people like you.
He was modded up BECAUSE somebody at fox is reporting what he is saying. IT's just a matter of people modding up ideas they agree with. There are a ton of republicans on this board who will automatically mod up any old right wing idea any anonymous dork will post.
"Of course, there are some problems with this. First off, we just don't understand what is happening or why. There are a lot of problems with making any sort of predictions based on the knowledge we have about the climate. Nobody is going to vote for drastic measures with what we know today. And nobody is saying that if we do not take drastic measures today the world is going to end. Of course, that may be exactly what the situation is."
Well we do know what is happeing and why. Well you don't, and maybe I don't either because I find it very hard to understand the pysics involved in meteorology and hydrodynamics but the scientists that can do that math all seem to be pretty sure as to what's happening and why.
I do believe that this is some sort of a progress though. Now the opposition has given up on denial (it's not happeining) and has changed their arguments to say "it's happening but a) it's not our fault, b) there is nothing we can do about it and c) we should simply do nothing because it would cost too much".
The next and final argument will be "global warming is good for you". I am anxiously waiting that one.
When MS partnered with sendo on the orange product they did it in order to steal trade secrets, learn about the industry and to take sendo's customers.
They probably partnered up with Sega for the same reasons. It seems to have worked.
George Carlin had a joke about business people being evil fucks who just want to screw you. "Do you know why that's true?" the joke went. "Because if you put two of them across from each other they will each know the other person is trying to screw them and will acct accordingly".
Of course he was a lot funnier but it's true. Every business owner is trying to screw other businesses (and others too). MS "knows" google is trying to screw them because MS has screwed every single company they have ever dealt with. Their vendors, their partners, people they bought, and yes their customers.
Can you think of one company MS partnered with that didn't end up getting the shaft from MS? I can't.
Taxes are just one factor amongst thousands that determines demand. Just one. Not an overriding one, not a significant one. Price is just once factor that determines demand. Just one.
You freaks go around as if it was a law of physics or something that every time the price of something goes up the demand will automatically go down. It doesn't work like that. Economics is not a science. It's just a bunch of conjecture and statistical corrolation. It's much less accurate then psycology. In fact it's probably less accurate then plain old gambling.
I'll give you another example. Everytime anybody talks about raising the minimum wage all the economists start yelling about how the increased wages will lead to more unemployment. DO they have any studies? Any facts? NO!. The minimum wage has been raised lots of times in the past in lots of countries. If that was true then every time the minimum wage was raised the unemployment rate would rise and stay at the higher rate till wages went down. Too bad there isn't even one example where the rise in minimum wages caused an increase in unemployment. This easily testable economic theory is no better then creationism or any other junk science. There is no proof, it's easily testable, it's been wrong almost a 100% of the time and yet the proponets cling to it like the creationists cling to the "earth was created in seven days" theory.
It's funny people talking about Satch'mo. If Luis Armstrong, Nat king cole, chuck berry tried out for American Idol they'd be laughed out off the stage (presuming they were even allowed to audition because they were not pretty).
The music industry today has nothing to do with talent. Nothing, nada, zilch.
Just like NT was going to be a better unix then unix right? Just like all MS hype it will not live up to it's promise and will be just another ho hum product that provides limited use to some people.
.NET and C# were threats to java not linux. Like most MS efforts recently if absolutely failed to destroy the competition. Java is going just as strong as ever if not even stronger. The people using VB, j++, and MS C++ just switched over to.NET that's all. All MS did was to cause it's own programmers a bunch of money and headaches to switch. It completely failed to sway any java programmers over to their side.
If people wanted nice GUIs they would be using a mac. If they wanted tabs they would be using firefox now. If they wanted RSS they would be using firefox or safari now.
People don't know what they want. They just use whatever shoves down their throats. People use MS products because their workplace shoves it down their troat at work and makes them learn it.
People will use linux when corporations start switching. The corporation will shove linux down their throats and make them learn it and then they will buy linux for home so they can take their work home and because that's all they know.
Probably. Most VCs exist to take the company to public and cash out at that state. They are by and large not interested in long term viability of a company and have no real desire to hold on to ownsership of companies beyond that point.
They are called VENTURE capitalists for a reason. Once a company is public it's no longer a venture. At that point you might as well buy a mutal fund.
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I don't know if the scenario you outlines is any good for the comsumer. The local bells are going to have a monopoly on the wire, MS is going to have a monopoly on the traffic. The consumer gets screwed both ways.
For everyone who says google is another MS I guess there is one argument that proves otherwise. The same could be said of apple too. Is MS the only software company that wages vaporware wars? I think they are the only big company that does it.
" I'm lying?"
Yes you are. You lied when you said that you had to use five different package managers to install software. For every distro there is one package manager. Just one. Stop lying about that OK. For most distros it's easier to install something in linux then windows.
"99% of the software I have installed was downloaded. I double clicked the little icon, then after hitting "next" a few times, the software was installed.
"
You are lying again. You had to search for the software. You had to visit a web site. You had to find the download link. You had to download it. You most likely had to unzip it. You had to do all that before you even start to install it.
Compare that to yast where you click on yast and can browse hundreds of pieces of software and install them with one click. No licenses to agree to either.
STOP LYING and people might take you more seriously.
"The only thing I go to the store for was a video game."
Good for you. You are a rare creature in windows land. Somebody who never buys any software other then games. You are not a typical windows users. A typical windows users buys lots of software although most of them steal a lot of software too. They don't seem to have any ethical problems with stealing software.
You can't fault linux if your hardware manufacturer does not provide drivers for it.
Sorry, barking up the wrong tree there.
"Do you *not* realize that *that* is the problem? Users don't want to dick around learning 5 different ways of obtaining packages, and either installing the binaries through different methods unique to their distro or installing from source. "
I know you have to lie to be able to spread your FUD but you should be more subtle with your lies OK?
1) Where is the big red INSTALL button on windows?
2) You not have to choose. Stop lying about this. Your distro chooses for you. FOr every distro there is one way to install software. Here is the best part. For all modern distros all available software is presented to the user in one index. It's much easier to install software in linux then it is to install in windows.
3) You do not every have to use the command line install software in linux.
STOP LYING.
COmpare installing software in windows to linux. In windows you have to buy 99% of your software. This means actually getting in a car and traveling to a store for gods sake. If you don't have to buy it then you have FIND IT ON THE INTERNET and the DOWNLOAD IT BY HAND, and then UNZIP IT BY HAND, and then finally you can start the install process. Compare that installing something from yast or apttitude.
You mean to tell me that it's easier to get in your car, drive to a store, pay for software, bring it home, and then install it while inputting your name, your company (why????), a 50 digit CD key, and clicking yes on five different dialogs including a license which gives MS the right to search your computer? Do you really think that's easier then clicking on YAST, finding a software that sounds interesting and then double clicking on it?
I remeber doing tech support over the phone once and the user (my dad) was confused as all hell because there were two files called "notepad" (or whatever it was) in the same directory. They looked different, had different colors, different icons, but they were named the same thing. Of course one was a ini file and the other an executable but windows was not set up to tell him that.
My other favorite is when somebody accidentally renamed the extention of the file and it "disappeared"!.
IF it's not about religion how come the MS shills always call anybody who critizised MS a zealot?
Why not? It solves your problem doesn't it? I bet most of the DLLs office uses are preloaded by windows too.
I think you are just pissed off that I provided a solution to your problem so you have one less thing to bitch about.
"Office has MUCH better version tracking, sharing and collaborative features. OOo can't touch it here."
Why couldn't you pair with subversion for all that? Just mount your subversion file system as a web folder and save your files there.
"Unfortunately, I must report that Microsoft is (predictably) still succeeding in protecting their incompatibilities, at least as regards PPT files."
I wanted to test the ability of OO to open up various PPT files. I tried opening up some the PPT files included with MSOffice and was not able to open them up because of DRM. That's right, it has nothing to with compatibility MS will not let you open up their PPT files in any application other then powerpoint.
So when some MS shill tells you that Ms is committed to open file formats tell them that and if you are within striking distance pop them on nose hard enough to deform them for life.
Evil bastards.
I use open office every day. I also have ms office installed but I only use it when I need to open a file that open office can't handle (which is pretty rare).
By the way open office can open up PPT files and export them to flash. Pretty damned cool when you want to publish your presentations to web.
Use the preloader that comes with open office. It loads faster then MSoffice that way.
"In all seriousness, I hope that this doesn't happen. I'm kind of fond of the climates we've got now."
My granpa used to say. "Hope in one hand and shit on the other, see which one fills faster"
" Solar activity cycles?"
Wow. You are a GENIOUS!. I bet no scientist every thought of solar activity cycles!. Those scientists are sure dumb. You figured it out but they are too stoopid to think of such a simple answer.
Maybe they are not stupid, maybe they are just evil greedy bastards taking money from the govt to lie to people about the environment. Next time I see a climotoligst dribe by in his bentley I am going to throw a rock at the filthy rich bastard. Where does he get off living in mansions, driving bentleys and weekending on their superyachts.
Scientists are stupid, greedy, liars. You should never trust them. Trust DaedalusLogic instead, he is a genious, he has this whole global warming things figured out. IT"S ALL BECAUSE OF SOLAR ACTIVITY!
"Of course, there is always the outside possibility of the lowered salinity disrupting the gulf stream and turning the entire earth into an ideal habitat for the polar bears"
OUtside possibility? How about a 100% chance that melting the ice cap will change both the salinity of the ocean and the albedo of the planet.
It's amazing to me that somebody could so blithlely write off melting off of the polar icecap as a non event.
The american education system has let this country down if it's producing people like you.
He was modded up BECAUSE somebody at fox is reporting what he is saying. IT's just a matter of people modding up ideas they agree with. There are a ton of republicans on this board who will automatically mod up any old right wing idea any anonymous dork will post.
"Of course, there are some problems with this. First off, we just don't understand what is happening or why. There are a lot of problems with making any sort of predictions based on the knowledge we have about the climate. Nobody is going to vote for drastic measures with what we know today. And nobody is saying that if we do not take drastic measures today the world is going to end. Of course, that may be exactly what the situation is."
Well we do know what is happeing and why. Well you don't, and maybe I don't either because I find it very hard to understand the pysics involved in meteorology and hydrodynamics but the scientists that can do that math all seem to be pretty sure as to what's happening and why.
I do believe that this is some sort of a progress though. Now the opposition has given up on denial (it's not happeining) and has changed their arguments to say "it's happening but a) it's not our fault, b) there is nothing we can do about it and c) we should simply do nothing because it would cost too much".
The next and final argument will be "global warming is good for you". I am anxiously waiting that one.
When MS partnered with sendo on the orange product they did it in order to steal trade secrets, learn about the industry and to take sendo's customers.
They probably partnered up with Sega for the same reasons. It seems to have worked.
George Carlin had a joke about business people being evil fucks who just want to screw you. "Do you know why that's true?" the joke went. "Because if you put two of them across from each other they will each know the other person is trying to screw them and will acct accordingly".
Of course he was a lot funnier but it's true. Every business owner is trying to screw other businesses (and others too). MS "knows" google is trying to screw them because MS has screwed every single company they have ever dealt with. Their vendors, their partners, people they bought, and yes their customers.
Can you think of one company MS partnered with that didn't end up getting the shaft from MS? I can't.
Taxes are just one factor amongst thousands that determines demand. Just one. Not an overriding one, not a significant one. Price is just once factor that determines demand. Just one.
You freaks go around as if it was a law of physics or something that every time the price of something goes up the demand will automatically go down. It doesn't work like that. Economics is not a science. It's just a bunch of conjecture and statistical corrolation. It's much less accurate then psycology. In fact it's probably less accurate then plain old gambling.
I'll give you another example. Everytime anybody talks about raising the minimum wage all the economists start yelling about how the increased wages will lead to more unemployment. DO they have any studies? Any facts? NO!. The minimum wage has been raised lots of times in the past in lots of countries. If that was true then every time the minimum wage was raised the unemployment rate would rise and stay at the higher rate till wages went down. Too bad there isn't even one example where the rise in minimum wages caused an increase in unemployment. This easily testable economic theory is no better then creationism or any other junk science. There is no proof, it's easily testable, it's been wrong almost a 100% of the time and yet the proponets cling to it like the creationists cling to the "earth was created in seven days" theory.
It's funny people talking about Satch'mo. If Luis Armstrong, Nat king cole, chuck berry tried out for American Idol they'd be laughed out off the stage (presuming they were even allowed to audition because they were not pretty).
The music industry today has nothing to do with talent. Nothing, nada, zilch.
Just like NT was going to be a better unix then unix right? Just like all MS hype it will not live up to it's promise and will be just another ho hum product that provides limited use to some people.
.NET and C# were threats to java not linux. Like most MS efforts recently if absolutely failed to destroy the competition. Java is going just as strong as ever if not even stronger. The people using VB, j++, and MS C++ just switched over to .NET that's all. All MS did was to cause it's own programmers a bunch of money and headaches to switch. It completely failed to sway any java programmers over to their side.
.NET run on linux.
By the way. C# and
If people wanted nice GUIs they would be using a mac. If they wanted tabs they would be using firefox now. If they wanted RSS they would be using firefox or safari now.
People don't know what they want. They just use whatever shoves down their throats. People use MS products because their workplace shoves it down their troat at work and makes them learn it.
People will use linux when corporations start switching. The corporation will shove linux down their throats and make them learn it and then they will buy linux for home so they can take their work home and because that's all they know.
That's how MS got a monopoly.
"VC cashing out?"
Probably. Most VCs exist to take the company to public and cash out at that state. They are by and large not interested in long term viability of a company and have no real desire to hold on to ownsership of companies beyond that point.
They are called VENTURE capitalists for a reason. Once a company is public it's no longer a venture. At that point you might as well buy a mutal fund.