Tried it. Found out there was no support for case insensitive collations and then dropped it. Every other database in the world supports case insensitive collations so now I am testing out firebird, mysql and db/2. All are OK, I probably don't need everything db/2 offers so I will most likely end up with one of the open sourced ones.
MSSQL only runs on windows. It also only supports 4 gigs of data unless you want to pay. I would much rather use db/2 which has no data storage limit for the free version or an open source product and as a bonus I get to use any platform I want.
Why would you be concerned about the license for a database? The licence is only important if you are modifying the code AND distributing the modified code. Most database users I know just install the binary and use that in which case you don't care if it's BSD or GPL licenced.
This guy is a well known troll. Look at the ubuntu forums (other people have provided links) and see what an asshole this guy was to the people trying to help him.
Chances are the guy didn't really have a problem and he is just trolling either for fun or profit.
This sounds familiar. I remember a post like this before and I checked the actual mailing lists and I remember you being a complete asshole as people tried to help you. You kept hurtling insults at people who were trying their best to help you and eventually they gave up figuring that you were merely trolling them and didn't really have a problem.
"You have then already lost. Whatever you think you can win that is not based on truth, will not prevail and will always be there in the back haunting you. Any pleasure you get out of it will come with a hook, back to the shady past."
I hate to say this and break your rose colored glasses but those rich CEOs living in their mansions, driving cars that cost more then you will make in ten years are not miserable.
"I hate MS as much as anyone, but there's no need to make stuff up."
Why not? Ballmer makes shit up all the time, so does gates, so does every other CEO if every other corporation, so does president, vice president and every politician known to mankind.
How come everybody else gets to make shit up but not us?
I say play their game. Make shit up all the time to make them look bad. They called you a communist and compared you to terrorists so give them what they have coming.
"Also: remember the employee want to maximize their payroll and minimize their effort."
Absolutely!
"By definition, these two rules together create conflict and misunderstanding, and the feeling that the other party is always treating you unfair."
Yes absolutely. The difference is that one side is the hammer and the other is the nail. If the employer feels like they are being treated unfairly (whether it's true or not) they just fire the employee. If the employee feels like they are being treated unfairly they just have to bend over and let their boss fuck them all the way to the bank. Unless of course they form a union. Once they have a union they can negotiate on equal terms. Till then it's bend over and take it time.
"Apparently, Slashdotters are just now realizing how the industry has worked for decades."
No not the entire industry. There is no evidence any open source company works like this let alone worked like this. Please don't taint the entire industry by the actions of a few bad apples.
"You do realize they can send the laptop back to Microsoft when they're done reviewing Vista on it, right?"
Yes we all realize that. Those that don't should be outed as corrupt and untrustworthy individuals who are not reliable sources for advice.
"The key here is the word you missed where I bolded... unions don't exist to get the best package for ALL employees, they exist to get the best package for THE AVERAGE EMPLOYEE"
You are 100% wrong. Unions allow people to negotiate collectively. If they decide that they should all get paid the same then that's what they will ask for. If they come up with something else they will ask for that instead. The point is that they will decide what's best for them and ask for it and negotiate united for it.
In no case will the employees ask for something that the employer will like because the employer wants to deal with them individually so they can be more easily intimidated into taking less pay. Remember the employer wants to minimize their payroll and maximize their profit.
"You're a cog in a machine especially if you think the way I do. If you put your creativity and energy in a job and you're any good, you will be noticed."
You will also be noticed if you dress nice, kiss ass, and chat up the manager every chance you get. What's your point? What happens after you get noticed? Do you automatically get a raise? A promotion? Or will you be passed over for the guy who dressed nice and kissed ass?
Trust me it's much easier and more profitable to dress nice and kiss ass.
"You are responsible for yourself, but being to cynical and looking out only for your self will most likely be counterproductive."
"Unions bargain collectively for what is best for the interests controlling the collective (which is quite often very different from the interests of the collective of a whole - just ask Michigan auto workers how they felt about their unions in the 70s and 80s)."
What the fuck? Unions exist to get the best package for employees. All the employees. The employees know that if they don't stand together they will be fucked.
"Negotiating on an individual level allows each employee to demand what s/he feels is the most advantageous work environment/compensation possible."
This is very good for you because it allows you to pay some people less then others. It may also be good for a few employees who get paid more then average. It sucks for the rest of your employees.
"Only if the employee refuses to do nothing more than the minimum amount of work! "
You hired somebody to do X. Now you are going to punish them for not doing more then X. Why?
"But even if the employee's extra value added over market is exactly equal to the additional salary you offer over market, there are numerous other advantages to higher-value employees. Better services, better reputation, better investor confidence, etc. These don't immediately show up on a balance sheet, but they're the cornerstones of almost any successful business that grows from the ground up."
Well pollyanna how come every business isn't doing that? How come service sucks no matter where you go? I tell you why because people don't believe the line of bullshit you are spewing. They know they are working for the bottom dollar so they are doing just enough to keep their jobs and obey their work description and no more. WHy should they do more?
"The only reason for employees to get fired is if the company is losing money on them."
Really? Is that because management is infallible and never fucks up. The CEO doesn't throw the golf game so the customer drops them, the money dries up, the employees get fired. That never happens?
Also when was the last time you worked at a company where all the firing was done on merit? Seniority doesn't play a part? Ass kissing doesn't play a part? What world do you live in?
"Here's a tip - there are plenty of employees who hate unions. I'm one of them. They drive up my taxes by placing unnecessary burdens on business (which ends up getting charged back to us in the form of government subsidies eventually anyway), they make it difficult for me to find work in certain regions/industries unless I join their little cabal, and they often encourage nothing more than complacency and near-zero turnover (again, making it hard for me to find work in certain circumstances). Out of the people I know who work that are in unions or not, those in unions are much more likely to be -content- at work. But they're rarely happy or mentally/emotionally invested. Those people I know who aren't in unions are less likely to be content, but when they are content, it goes beyond that to very happy and entertained by what they do."
Bingo. Unions suck for you but they are great for employees. That's why everybody who works for a living should join or form a union and that's why people like you work so hard to keep unions out.
Unions do not exist to make your life easier. That's why you hate them. Unions exist to make your employees life better. That's why they should form or join one.
No he didn't cause the island to sink, he did contribute though. Look at his environmental record in texas for example.
The important point is that we should stop listening to GW and his ilk when it comes to this subject. They have been wrong repeatedly and they have no credibility left.
Most companies hate unions for the same reason that you hate them. It allows your employees to bargain collectively for what is best for them. You would rather negotiate with each one separately for what is best for you.
This allows you to pay the absolute minimum in wages in order to get your work done.
"Employees who have fun, and are paid well for what they do are less likely to go to the competition, less likely to produce crap software, less likely to steal."
Sure. But they are just as likely to get canned or laid off if you fuck up and lose a contract.
"At times like that, unions can serve a useful purpose, provided they still leave room for profit for the employer. When unions make it impossible for the owner to produce a profit, the company will cease to operate."
I shed no tears for companies who can't survive without paying their workers slave wages. Besides companies go out of business every day and leave their employees thoroughly fucked in the process. Not just their employees but their customers and vendors too.
If you read my post I said you should fight tooth and nail for every dime due to you exactly because companies go out of business all the time. Your company doesn't owe you shit and they know that. If the choice was between you or the hotshot programmer you would fire him and not you right?
"If you never do anything more / work a minute more than what is expected of you I would like to ask you if you tend to shop at stores that fulfill the simplest of obligations or the ones that have employees which go out of there way to help you?"
As a consumer I would rather go to a store that gives me good service. But I am not speaking as a consumer. I am speaking as an employee. As an employee in a store since I am being paid hourly I would rather you go to another store so I can get paid for not helping you.
"The only saying that hard work is its own reward might be a little bit bullshit, but let's face it, you feel better when you do a good job over doing a poor one."
That's because I have been brainwashed by companies who want me to work as hard as I can for them for no reward.
"The people who view the boss-employee relationship as an antagonistic one seem less happy than those of us that want to be productive but realize we aren't family and that yes, no one is irreplaceable."
Hey you want to know a secret? Here lean in close and I will let you in on it. Here it is.
Your boss sees your relationship as an adverserial one. He is trying to figure out how to get rid of you and replace you by a lower paid employee or a machine. In the mean time he is trying to figure out a way to make you work for him free.
Define "losing". From where I sit it's growing every year.
Having said that the only reason open source does not read the non open format is because of the risk of lawsuits and jail time. People have families to feed and they are not going to risk going to jail just to reverse engineer some format. If you want to risk it then go ahead.
You are right. Every working person should realize that they are just cogs in a machine. You don't matter to your employer, you are just a body easily exchanged for another body or better yet some machine. You should do your job, collect your money and never ever give your employer anything beyond exactly what you are paid to do. By the same token demand to be paid for every minute you work and demand that your employer define exactly what is expected of you so that they are not asking you to do a bunch of stuff for free.
Remember your company is not a person. You don't owe it anything beyond your time and the terms of your employment. Anything else has got to cost more to your company. Also demand as much money as possible, they will never ever give you a penny above that.
Finally, unionize. Your employee is trying very hard to reduce your pay as much as possible, you need a way to fight for what you are due.
I for one prefer republitard to repugs. It's a bit more descriptive. The republitards refer to anybody who disagrees with them as demoncrats, socialists, communists, fags, pinkos, hippies, granolas, terrorists, etc. They also use the word "nazi" a lot as in "green nazi" or "feminazi" refering to anybody who thinks clean water is good and that women should not be merely baby factories.
"See, the neat thing about domain names is that they usually reflect the name of the company that runs the mailserver."
Exactly how stupid are you? Have you ever heard of "outsourcing"?. You see most companies are not in the business of providing email services. Most smart companies know to outsource their email servers and concentrate on their core competency.
So your company could be "mysupercompany.com" but your email server could be run by godaddy.com, rackspace.com, google.com or some_cheap_fly_by_night_hosting_company.co.ru.
You being the stupid ass judge the company on whether the sales persons card has the proper domain name in the email address. So you would trust a company that has outsourced their email handling to a fly by night operator in the ukraine over somebody who uses gmail because you (in your complete and utter ignorance) think that the fly by night operator in the ukraine is more reliable, trustable, and professional then google.
Anyway for those who are confused here is an easy way to tell who to hate.
"Hate companies and people who do evil shit. It is fair to take the evil shit into context. It's fair to forgive a company who has a long standing tradition of doing good if the one act of evil was due to being fucked with. At the same token when the company or person does something good it's fair to consider all the evil shit they did in the past and not give them a free ride".
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Tried it. Found out there was no support for case insensitive collations and then dropped it. Every other database in the world supports case insensitive collations so now I am testing out firebird, mysql and db/2. All are OK, I probably don't need everything db/2 offers so I will most likely end up with one of the open sourced ones.
MSSQL only runs on windows. It also only supports 4 gigs of data unless you want to pay. I would much rather use db/2 which has no data storage limit for the free version or an open source product and as a bonus I get to use any platform I want.
Why would you be concerned about the license for a database? The licence is only important if you are modifying the code AND distributing the modified code. Most database users I know just install the binary and use that in which case you don't care if it's BSD or GPL licenced.
Does it have unclustered primary keys? That's one thing that sucks with innodb and makes it virtually impossible to use GUIDs as primary keys.
This guy is a well known troll. Look at the ubuntu forums (other people have provided links) and see what an asshole this guy was to the people trying to help him.
Chances are the guy didn't really have a problem and he is just trolling either for fun or profit.
This sounds familiar. I remember a post like this before and I checked the actual mailing lists and I remember you being a complete asshole as people tried to help you. You kept hurtling insults at people who were trying their best to help you and eventually they gave up figuring that you were merely trolling them and didn't really have a problem.
Why not real?
"You have then already lost. Whatever you think you can win that is not based on truth, will not prevail and will always be there in the back haunting you. Any pleasure you get out of it will come with a hook, back to the shady past."
I hate to say this and break your rose colored glasses but those rich CEOs living in their mansions, driving cars that cost more then you will make in ten years are not miserable.
"I hate MS as much as anyone, but there's no need to make stuff up."
Why not? Ballmer makes shit up all the time, so does gates, so does every other CEO if every other corporation, so does president, vice president and every politician known to mankind.
How come everybody else gets to make shit up but not us?
I say play their game. Make shit up all the time to make them look bad. They called you a communist and compared you to terrorists so give them what they have coming.
"Also: remember the employee want to maximize their payroll and minimize their effort."
Absolutely!
"By definition, these two rules together create conflict and misunderstanding, and the feeling that the other party is always treating you unfair."
Yes absolutely. The difference is that one side is the hammer and the other is the nail. If the employer feels like they are being treated unfairly (whether it's true or not) they just fire the employee. If the employee feels like they are being treated unfairly they just have to bend over and let their boss fuck them all the way to the bank. Unless of course they form a union. Once they have a union they can negotiate on equal terms. Till then it's bend over and take it time.
"Apparently, Slashdotters are just now realizing how the industry has worked for decades."
No not the entire industry. There is no evidence any open source company works like this let alone worked like this. Please don't taint the entire industry by the actions of a few bad apples.
"You do realize they can send the laptop back to Microsoft when they're done reviewing Vista on it, right?"
Yes we all realize that. Those that don't should be outed as corrupt and untrustworthy individuals who are not reliable sources for advice.
well you certainly live in a dream world. In the world I live in business like you never get past mom and pop level.
Why don't you go and see if any of the fortune 1000 run their business like that.
"The key here is the word you missed where I bolded... unions don't exist to get the best package for ALL employees, they exist to get the best package for THE AVERAGE EMPLOYEE"
You are 100% wrong. Unions allow people to negotiate collectively. If they decide that they should all get paid the same then that's what they will ask for. If they come up with something else they will ask for that instead. The point is that they will decide what's best for them and ask for it and negotiate united for it.
In no case will the employees ask for something that the employer will like because the employer wants to deal with them individually so they can be more easily intimidated into taking less pay. Remember the employer wants to minimize their payroll and maximize their profit.
"You're a cog in a machine especially if you think the way I do. If you put your creativity and energy in a job and you're any good, you will be noticed."
You will also be noticed if you dress nice, kiss ass, and chat up the manager every chance you get. What's your point? What happens after you get noticed? Do you automatically get a raise? A promotion? Or will you be passed over for the guy who dressed nice and kissed ass?
Trust me it's much easier and more profitable to dress nice and kiss ass.
"You are responsible for yourself, but being to cynical and looking out only for your self will most likely be counterproductive."
How?
"Unions bargain collectively for what is best for the interests controlling the collective (which is quite often very different from the interests of the collective of a whole - just ask Michigan auto workers how they felt about their unions in the 70s and 80s)."
What the fuck? Unions exist to get the best package for employees. All the employees. The employees know that if they don't stand together they will be fucked.
"Negotiating on an individual level allows each employee to demand what s/he feels is the most advantageous work environment/compensation possible."
This is very good for you because it allows you to pay some people less then others. It may also be good for a few employees who get paid more then average. It sucks for the rest of your employees.
"Only if the employee refuses to do nothing more than the minimum amount of work! "
You hired somebody to do X. Now you are going to punish them for not doing more then X. Why?
"But even if the employee's extra value added over market is exactly equal to the additional salary you offer over market, there are numerous other advantages to higher-value employees. Better services, better reputation, better investor confidence, etc. These don't immediately show up on a balance sheet, but they're the cornerstones of almost any successful business that grows from the ground up."
Well pollyanna how come every business isn't doing that? How come service sucks no matter where you go? I tell you why because people don't believe the line of bullshit you are spewing. They know they are working for the bottom dollar so they are doing just enough to keep their jobs and obey their work description and no more. WHy should they do more?
"The only reason for employees to get fired is if the company is losing money on them."
Really? Is that because management is infallible and never fucks up. The CEO doesn't throw the golf game so the customer drops them, the money dries up, the employees get fired. That never happens?
Also when was the last time you worked at a company where all the firing was done on merit? Seniority doesn't play a part? Ass kissing doesn't play a part? What world do you live in?
"Here's a tip - there are plenty of employees who hate unions. I'm one of them. They drive up my taxes by placing unnecessary burdens on business (which ends up getting charged back to us in the form of government subsidies eventually anyway), they make it difficult for me to find work in certain regions/industries unless I join their little cabal, and they often encourage nothing more than complacency and near-zero turnover (again, making it hard for me to find work in certain circumstances). Out of the people I know who work that are in unions or not, those in unions are much more likely to be -content- at work. But they're rarely happy or mentally/emotionally invested. Those people I know who aren't in unions are less likely to be content, but when they are content, it goes beyond that to very happy and entertained by what they do."
Bingo. Unions suck for you but they are great for employees. That's why everybody who works for a living should join or form a union and that's why people like you work so hard to keep unions out.
Unions do not exist to make your life easier. That's why you hate them. Unions exist to make your employees life better. That's why they should form or join one.
Sucks for you, great for them. See? Simple.
No he didn't cause the island to sink, he did contribute though. Look at his environmental record in texas for example.
The important point is that we should stop listening to GW and his ilk when it comes to this subject. They have been wrong repeatedly and they have no credibility left.
Most companies hate unions for the same reason that you hate them. It allows your employees to bargain collectively for what is best for them. You would rather negotiate with each one separately for what is best for you.
This allows you to pay the absolute minimum in wages in order to get your work done.
"Employees who have fun, and are paid well for what they do are less likely to go to the competition, less likely to produce crap software, less likely to steal."
Sure. But they are just as likely to get canned or laid off if you fuck up and lose a contract.
"At times like that, unions can serve a useful purpose, provided they still leave room for profit for the employer. When unions make it impossible for the owner to produce a profit, the company will cease to operate."
I shed no tears for companies who can't survive without paying their workers slave wages. Besides companies go out of business every day and leave their employees thoroughly fucked in the process. Not just their employees but their customers and vendors too.
If you read my post I said you should fight tooth and nail for every dime due to you exactly because companies go out of business all the time. Your company doesn't owe you shit and they know that. If the choice was between you or the hotshot programmer you would fire him and not you right?
"If you never do anything more / work a minute more than what is expected of you I would like to ask you if you tend to shop at stores that fulfill the simplest of obligations or the ones that have employees which go out of there way to help you?"
As a consumer I would rather go to a store that gives me good service. But I am not speaking as a consumer. I am speaking as an employee. As an employee in a store since I am being paid hourly I would rather you go to another store so I can get paid for not helping you.
"The only saying that hard work is its own reward might be a little bit bullshit, but let's face it, you feel better when you do a good job over doing a poor one."
That's because I have been brainwashed by companies who want me to work as hard as I can for them for no reward.
"The people who view the boss-employee relationship as an antagonistic one seem less happy than those of us that want to be productive but realize we aren't family and that yes, no one is irreplaceable."
Hey you want to know a secret? Here lean in close and I will let you in on it. Here it is.
Your boss sees your relationship as an adverserial one. He is trying to figure out how to get rid of you and replace you by a lower paid employee or a machine. In the mean time he is trying to figure out a way to make you work for him free.
Define "losing". From where I sit it's growing every year.
Having said that the only reason open source does not read the non open format is because of the risk of lawsuits and jail time. People have families to feed and they are not going to risk going to jail just to reverse engineer some format. If you want to risk it then go ahead.
You are right. Every working person should realize that they are just cogs in a machine. You don't matter to your employer, you are just a body easily exchanged for another body or better yet some machine. You should do your job, collect your money and never ever give your employer anything beyond exactly what you are paid to do. By the same token demand to be paid for every minute you work and demand that your employer define exactly what is expected of you so that they are not asking you to do a bunch of stuff for free.
Remember your company is not a person. You don't owe it anything beyond your time and the terms of your employment. Anything else has got to cost more to your company. Also demand as much money as possible, they will never ever give you a penny above that.
Finally, unionize. Your employee is trying very hard to reduce your pay as much as possible, you need a way to fight for what you are due.
It's a war, fight to win.
Yes they sued somebody over the FAT patent. Just check with google and you will get tons of details.
MS has also sued people lots of times for other types of IP infringement including suing 16 year olds for owning a domain name with his name on it.
I for one prefer republitard to repugs. It's a bit more descriptive. The republitards refer to anybody who disagrees with them as demoncrats, socialists, communists, fags, pinkos, hippies, granolas, terrorists, etc. They also use the word "nazi" a lot as in "green nazi" or "feminazi" refering to anybody who thinks clean water is good and that women should not be merely baby factories.
I wish them luck but don't expect them to have much success. Rape is part and parcel of our prison system and the US population likes it that way.
"See, the neat thing about domain names is that they usually reflect the name of the company that runs the mailserver."
Exactly how stupid are you? Have you ever heard of "outsourcing"?. You see most companies are not in the business of providing email services. Most smart companies know to outsource their email servers and concentrate on their core competency.
So your company could be "mysupercompany.com" but your email server could be run by godaddy.com, rackspace.com, google.com or some_cheap_fly_by_night_hosting_company.co.ru.
You being the stupid ass judge the company on whether the sales persons card has the proper domain name in the email address. So you would trust a company that has outsourced their email handling to a fly by night operator in the ukraine over somebody who uses gmail because you (in your complete and utter ignorance) think that the fly by night operator in the ukraine is more reliable, trustable, and professional then google.
That doesn't mean we don't hate SCO anymore.
Anyway for those who are confused here is an easy way to tell who to hate.
"Hate companies and people who do evil shit. It is fair to take the evil shit into context. It's fair to forgive a company who has a long standing tradition of doing good if the one act of evil was due to being fucked with. At the same token when the company or person does something good it's fair to consider all the evil shit they did in the past and not give them a free ride".
You are quite welcome.