" You missed the marines in your post..please post your feelings....I mean they are taught to kill right??"
A marine joins the military, if there is no war then he does his duties on his base, gets drunk in his off time, chases women and does what every young testastrone driven male does. He also gets paid whether or not there is a war. For a marine it's in his best interest that there is lasting peace, as long as there is peace he can continue being a mraine, get paid, save money for collage and not risk death. A marine wants peace because it's in his best interest.
Your friend only gets paid if there is a war. He only gets paid if the US govt wants other people killed.
"Well I'm glad the country isn't basing it's policy on "All I know is""
I wasn't there, neither were you. I only know what the US press is allowed to tell me and that's not a whole hell of a lot. That's the sad reality.
"I also didn't mention that I have nothing to say about Dachau and and that I've smelled the stench of the ovens that reeks like old, burned flesh. I guess that makes me anti-arab according to you, right?"
Dachaus is offtopic for this conversation. The massacres of fallujah on the other hand are the topic for this conversation. Once again hundreds of people were killed to avenge your friends death and you have nothing to say about it. That tells me everything I need to know about you and your friend.
Why yes, no dialog window ever took focus away from what I was typing. Strange huh? I mean the idea that I should continue to type my document despite the fact that some background process wants me to click OK.
It comes with two GUIs. Go look at their download page.
I prefer sqlyog myself. There is a great free version and a better paid version. I like it much better then the enterprise manager/query analyzer combo from MS. Of course I don't care much for SQL server either but that's another story.
My experience is that anything MS makes works about 80%. As soon as you wonder off the beaten path and try to implement some feature you read about you find out that it's virtually impossible in your environment or requires so much work that it's not worth it.
The other 80 works pretty well, you have to give them that but the 20% will drive you up the wall and make you want to choke MS programmers.
IN the US virtually everyplace that banned gay marriage also has banned civil unions. I think vermont may ben an exception.
You have to realize that the american taliban party (republicans) are also against civil unions for gays. If it was up to them gays would have to ride in the back of the bus.
"So by your logic, anyone that has killed anyone has no interest in peace? "
No people who kill for a living have no vested interest in peace. That's what mercaneries are, people who kill for money.
"You know, like the Marines, the police....yeah, how about the police?"
Police don't get paid to kill.
"What about all of the reserve units? None of them care either? "
Not the same thing. A reservist would get paid just as much if he was back in the home state and kicking back. A mercenary has to get another job if there is peace.
"If you don't know who they were or what they were doing then what the hell are you arguing? "
All I know is that they were mercenaries, they wen to fallujah to do something, the people over there didn't like what they were doing. That's all I am allowed to know. You apparently know exactly why they were there and what they were doing. So once again I am asking you to let us know.
Serial killers are dead inside, they have no empathy towards other humans, ther regard them as inatimate objects. Anybody who kills for a living is dead inside. I think you have to accept that.
Finally I noticed you had nothing to say about the hundreds of people killed in venegence for your friend. That tells me you also have no real empathy towards humands. Well maybe you have no real empathy for arabs.
"It's a real shame there is such anti-Sun hysteria on/. and other "open source" community sites. If the Sun-haters were to have their way and see Sun fail then a good[1] number of open-source hackers would be out of work (including myself)."
Sun will fail, not because the peanut gallery is yelling at them or making fun of them but because the management has no vision for the company and instead are flinging shit on the wall hoping something sticks. Just read the blogs of their top level execs. Either these people are manic depressive or they really do change their minds radically once a week.
As for sun being pro GPL I don't buy it. When they came out with their patent grant they excluded all licenses except their own. To me this says they reserve the right to sue GPLed projects for patent infringement. When pushed on the matter they just weasel and flip flop.
". Who in there right mind would enter into an agreement whereby the legal actions of a random third party would nulify the gains the agreement provided?"
He is absolutely right. Mercenaries have no vested interest in peace. If there was peace mercenaries would have no jobs.
Now I don't know who your friends were but I imagine it takes one hell of a twisted motherfucker to get paid for killing. Whether you are a hitman or a mercenary or a sniper in the military you can't possibly serially kill one human after another without it making you sick in the head or dead inside.
Do they care about peace? My guess is not all that much, my guess is that these people are dead inside, they don't really care that much about anything at all.
So far nobody has ever explained who these guys were, why they were in iraq and why they were going to falujjah in the first place. Maybe you could enlighten me because I really want to know.
Finally I think you can sleep peacefully tonight knowing that in retaliation for your dead friend a soccer field was turned into a mass grave outside fallujah, hundreds of people were brutally killed by the US military, the intact bodies were gathered up and buried like they show in WWII movies. Of course that was the first run at fallujah, the second run was much worse. According to the BBC 75% of the city was destroyed and thousands of bodies littered the streets. What was their crime? Well they objected to the US occupation that's all.
Well then it's easy. Just tell santorum that NOAA is a fag organization and that will be that.
"Good people of bumfuck iowa, you don't want HOMOSEXUALS to control the weather do you?. If you don't vote for a republican not only will HOMOSEXUALS marry but they will control the weather too!"
"Sure he does. It's HIS software. You must have forgotten that part. He has the LEGAL right."
What you don't seem to understand is that tridge did nothing to his software. He didn't break it, he didn't steal it, he didn't take it, he didn't borrow it. All he did was to try and figure out a way to get the open source code stored in the file. That's all.
"But you've made your choice about which side to come down on."
Yes. I am against the psycho who would stab one his best friends in the back in order to get back at a third party.
"Sad that you refuse to listen to anyone with a point you disagree with."
Make a fucking point and I might listen to you. SO far all you have done is lie. You act as if tridge actually broke larry's code or stole something from him. He has done no such thing.
"By the way, you're wrong, and if you treat your friends like Tridge apparently treats his, you're probably a shitty friend too"
For the last time you idiot. Tridge did nothing to linus. It was larry who fucked linus to try and punish linus. You got that? Larry fucked linus, larry fucked linus, larry fucked linus, larry fucked linus, larry fucked linus.
You got that? Now a quiz for you? Who fucked linus? Here is a clue for you? It was larry. He did it in order to punish tridge. That's the kind of a friend he is.
Sorry, where I come from people value their freedom. They don't buckle under when some psycho calls their boss and tries to dictate what they can and can't do in their own free time.
Larry can go fuck himself. He has no right telling anybody what they can and can't do. He showed his true stripes by fucking his best friend linus in order to lash out at tridge. Now the whole world knows how he treats his friends.
No it's not. Tridge is trying to get at the data owned by open source developers. The analogy here is trying to reverse engineer the DOC format so that you can read your own documents using another program.
Larry in no way, shape or form owns your data just because it's saved in his proprietary format.
"Regardless of your position on the rest, Tridge fucked Linus over, because he did what HE wanted to do. That's not a friend at all. In fact it could be said that"
Tridge did nothing to linus. It was Larry who took away the license, not tridge.
Tridge was just minding his business doing something he had full legal right to do.
"Now that's ironic. Tridge's actions are what caused BK to revoke the license. If he had done nothing, then we'd all still be happily using BK."
The problem is that Larry is an insane person. Let me draw up an analogy for you.
Let's say there is a park close to your house and you like to walk your dog there.
Larry one day calls your boss and says that you are ugly, your dog is ugly, and he wants your boss to fire you unless you stop walking your dog when you get home.
OF course both of you are a little bewildered because a) you are doing something on your own time and b) what you are doing is perfectly legal. So your boss tells him that no he is not going to fire or rebuke you in any way.
Larry then calls back and says that if you don't stop walking your dog he will beat of on his friend linus. You know linus and think he is a good guy but you figure linus can take care himself and indeed is a pretty good jodo expert so you tell him no again.
Larry then lashes out at his friend and his friend is now mad at you!.
This is what happened. Larry stabbed his friend in the back in order to make tridge stop doing something he had legal right to do.
Larry is an immoral insane person and linus had no right to yell at tridge for larry's actions.
"Tridge intentionally reverse engineered BitKeeper despite the fact that he knew that his efforts would be discovered and would scuttle the BitKeeper donation."
I don't think any rational being would predict how a mentally unstable individual such as Larry McVoy will behave.
Tridge did things that he had legal right to do, he can't be held responsible for how other people behave.
Expand your search, Bill Gates comment about communism was very recent. Ballmer has said equally awful things about open source and open source developers.
I think it's crap that you point to a five year old quote as if nothing bad was said about linux in the mean time. That smacks to me of professional level spinning.
"Yes broke the code - as in reverse engineering. If you do not like "breaking code" because you are trying to avoid the questions - feel free to substitute reverse engineering you obtuse idiot."
Reverse engineering does not break code. I cited you the law showing you where reverse engineering is legal. All I am asking for is a citation where a click through EULA was upheld in court.
I would urge you get educated. You are extremely confused about this case. You seem to think that.
a) Tridge broke bitkeeper. b) Reverse engineering is illegal. c) Tridge is under some sort of a contractual agreement with bitkeeper.
None of that is true and it's up to you to prove your outrageous statements.
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" You missed the marines in your post..please post your feelings....I mean they are taught to kill right??"
A marine joins the military, if there is no war then he does his duties on his base, gets drunk in his off time, chases women and does what every young testastrone driven male does. He also gets paid whether or not there is a war. For a marine it's in his best interest that there is lasting peace, as long as there is peace he can continue being a mraine, get paid, save money for collage and not risk death. A marine wants peace because it's in his best interest.
Your friend only gets paid if there is a war. He only gets paid if the US govt wants other people killed.
"Well I'm glad the country isn't basing it's policy on "All I know is""
I wasn't there, neither were you. I only know what the US press is allowed to tell me and that's not a whole hell of a lot. That's the sad reality.
"I also didn't mention that I have nothing to say about Dachau and and that I've smelled the stench of the ovens that reeks like old, burned flesh. I guess that makes me anti-arab according to you, right?"
Dachaus is offtopic for this conversation. The massacres of fallujah on the other hand are the topic for this conversation. Once again hundreds of people were killed to avenge your friends death and you have nothing to say about it. That tells me everything I need to know about you and your friend.
Why yes, no dialog window ever took focus away from what I was typing. Strange huh? I mean the idea that I should continue to type my document despite the fact that some background process wants me to click OK.
It comes with two GUIs. Go look at their download page.
I prefer sqlyog myself. There is a great free version and a better paid version. I like it much better then the enterprise manager/query analyzer combo from MS. Of course I don't care much for SQL server either but that's another story.
Sez who? I use my mac all the time without modal dialog boxes and windows.
My experience is that anything MS makes works about 80%. As soon as you wonder off the beaten path and try to implement some feature you read about you find out that it's virtually impossible in your environment or requires so much work that it's not worth it.
The other 80 works pretty well, you have to give them that but the 20% will drive you up the wall and make you want to choke MS programmers.
WOW, you have to actually write code and compile it to create a hardlink! Craptastic!
Oh and please make outlook not pop up a modal login window. In fact get rid of modal windows in general.
IN the US virtually everyplace that banned gay marriage also has banned civil unions. I think vermont may ben an exception.
You have to realize that the american taliban party (republicans) are also against civil unions for gays. If it was up to them gays would have to ride in the back of the bus.
"So by your logic, anyone that has killed anyone has no interest in peace? "
No people who kill for a living have no vested interest in peace. That's what mercaneries are, people who kill for money.
"You know, like the Marines, the police....yeah, how about the police?"
Police don't get paid to kill.
"What about all of the reserve units? None of them care either? "
Not the same thing. A reservist would get paid just as much if he was back in the home state and kicking back. A mercenary has to get another job if there is peace.
"If you don't know who they were or what they were doing then what the hell are you arguing? "
All I know is that they were mercenaries, they wen to fallujah to do something, the people over there didn't like what they were doing. That's all I am allowed to know. You apparently know exactly why they were there and what they were doing. So once again I am asking you to let us know.
Serial killers are dead inside, they have no empathy towards other humans, ther regard them as inatimate objects. Anybody who kills for a living is dead inside. I think you have to accept that.
Finally I noticed you had nothing to say about the hundreds of people killed in venegence for your friend. That tells me you also have no real empathy towards humands. Well maybe you have no real empathy for arabs.
"It's a real shame there is such anti-Sun hysteria on /. and other "open source" community sites. If the Sun-haters were to have their way and see Sun fail then a good[1] number of open-source hackers would be out of work (including myself)."
Sun will fail, not because the peanut gallery is yelling at them or making fun of them but because the management has no vision for the company and instead are flinging shit on the wall hoping something sticks. Just read the blogs of their top level execs. Either these people are manic depressive or they really do change their minds radically once a week.
As for sun being pro GPL I don't buy it. When they came out with their patent grant they excluded all licenses except their own. To me this says they reserve the right to sue GPLed projects for patent infringement. When pushed on the matter they just weasel and flip flop.
". Who in there right mind would enter into an agreement whereby the legal actions of a random third party would nulify the gains the agreement provided?"
Apparently linus.
He is absolutely right. Mercenaries have no vested interest in peace. If there was peace mercenaries would have no jobs.
Now I don't know who your friends were but I imagine it takes one hell of a twisted motherfucker to get paid for killing. Whether you are a hitman or a mercenary or a sniper in the military you can't possibly serially kill one human after another without it making you sick in the head or dead inside.
Do they care about peace? My guess is not all that much, my guess is that these people are dead inside, they don't really care that much about anything at all.
So far nobody has ever explained who these guys were, why they were in iraq and why they were going to falujjah in the first place. Maybe you could enlighten me because I really want to know.
Finally I think you can sleep peacefully tonight knowing that in retaliation for your dead friend a soccer field was turned into a mass grave outside fallujah, hundreds of people were brutally killed by the US military, the intact bodies were gathered up and buried like they show in WWII movies. Of course that was the first run at fallujah, the second run was much worse. According to the BBC 75% of the city was destroyed and thousands of bodies littered the streets. What was their crime? Well they objected to the US occupation that's all.
Nice business your friend was in. Real nice.
Oh I am sure they were there to deliver milk and cookies to little children and to recue kittens from the trees.
Well then it's easy. Just tell santorum that NOAA is a fag organization and that will be that.
"Good people of bumfuck iowa, you don't want HOMOSEXUALS to control the weather do you?. If you don't vote for a republican not only will HOMOSEXUALS marry but they will control the weather too!"
"Sure he does. It's HIS software. You must have forgotten that part. He has the LEGAL right."
What you don't seem to understand is that tridge did nothing to his software. He didn't break it, he didn't steal it, he didn't take it, he didn't borrow it. All he did was to try and figure out a way to get the open source code stored in the file. That's all.
"But you've made your choice about which side to come down on."
Yes. I am against the psycho who would stab one his best friends in the back in order to get back at a third party.
"Sad that you refuse to listen to anyone with a point you disagree with."
Make a fucking point and I might listen to you. SO far all you have done is lie. You act as if tridge actually broke larry's code or stole something from him. He has done no such thing.
"By the way, you're wrong, and if you treat your friends like Tridge apparently treats his, you're probably a shitty friend too"
For the last time you idiot. Tridge did nothing to linus. It was larry who fucked linus to try and punish linus. You got that? Larry fucked linus, larry fucked linus, larry fucked linus, larry fucked linus, larry fucked linus.
You got that? Now a quiz for you? Who fucked linus? Here is a clue for you? It was larry. He did it in order to punish tridge. That's the kind of a friend he is.
Sorry, where I come from people value their freedom. They don't buckle under when some psycho calls their boss and tries to dictate what they can and can't do in their own free time.
Larry can go fuck himself. He has no right telling anybody what they can and can't do. He showed his true stripes by fucking his best friend linus in order to lash out at tridge. Now the whole world knows how he treats his friends.
SO who is whose bitch? Sounds like Linus became Larry's bitch here.
No it's not. Tridge is trying to get at the data owned by open source developers. The analogy here is trying to reverse engineer the DOC format so that you can read your own documents using another program.
Larry in no way, shape or form owns your data just because it's saved in his proprietary format.
"Regardless of your position on the rest, Tridge fucked Linus over, because he did what HE wanted to do. That's not a friend at all. In fact it could be said that"
Tridge did nothing to linus. It was Larry who took away the license, not tridge.
Tridge was just minding his business doing something he had full legal right to do.
"Now that's ironic. Tridge's actions are what caused BK to revoke the license. If he had done nothing, then we'd all still be happily using BK."
The problem is that Larry is an insane person. Let me draw up an analogy for you.
Let's say there is a park close to your house and you like to walk your dog there.
Larry one day calls your boss and says that you are ugly, your dog is ugly, and he wants your boss to fire you unless you stop walking your dog when you get home.
OF course both of you are a little bewildered because a) you are doing something on your own time and b) what you are doing is perfectly legal. So your boss tells him that no he is not going to fire or rebuke you in any way.
Larry then calls back and says that if you don't stop walking your dog he will beat of on his friend linus. You know linus and think he is a good guy but you figure linus can take care himself and indeed is a pretty good jodo expert so you tell him no again.
Larry then lashes out at his friend and his friend is now mad at you!.
This is what happened. Larry stabbed his friend in the back in order to make tridge stop doing something he had legal right to do.
Larry is an immoral insane person and linus had no right to yell at tridge for larry's actions.
"Tridge intentionally reverse engineered BitKeeper despite the fact that he knew that his efforts would be discovered and would scuttle the BitKeeper donation."
I don't think any rational being would predict how a mentally unstable individual such as Larry McVoy will behave.
Tridge did things that he had legal right to do, he can't be held responsible for how other people behave.
Expand your search, Bill Gates comment about communism was very recent. Ballmer has said equally awful things about open source and open source developers.
I think it's crap that you point to a five year old quote as if nothing bad was said about linux in the mean time. That smacks to me of professional level spinning.
Sounds a lot like webobjects.
A mac of course. You were not planning on running mac os x on an intel box were you?
"Yes broke the code - as in reverse engineering. If you do not like "breaking code" because you are trying to avoid the questions - feel free to substitute reverse engineering you obtuse idiot."
Reverse engineering does not break code. I cited you the law showing you where reverse engineering is legal. All I am asking for is a citation where a click through EULA was upheld in court.
I would urge you get educated. You are extremely confused about this case. You seem to think that.
a) Tridge broke bitkeeper.
b) Reverse engineering is illegal.
c) Tridge is under some sort of a contractual agreement with bitkeeper.
None of that is true and it's up to you to prove your outrageous statements.