You are presuming of course that all programmers are equal. That any old programmer off the street can come in continue coding the game your team has been developing for the last couple of years.
Also you are presuming the consumers won't care that the game they are playing was made by a company which busted it's union and is being constantly protested.
Somebody corrected me it was not sodium it was phosphorus. It may not technically be called chemical weapons but when you are unleashing phosphorus bombs and literally melting the bodies of iraqis it's chemical warfare.
REG:
All right, but apart from the sanitation, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, a fresh water system, and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us? XERXES:
Brought peace.
You may have a point when it comes to social issues but when it comes to science the issue is more clear cut. There is the truth (as far as anybody can know it) and there is "the other side".
Oh and in no way, shape or form is a journalist able to discern betweent the truth and a lie.
Did you read the paper today? Apparently in fallujah we are using bombs with chemicals (sodium I think) which were causing the iraqis to literally melt to death. I thought to myself we have full cirlce. We are gassing the sunnis just like they gassed the kurds. Saddam killed the kurds in order to get them to bend to his will and bush is gassing the sunnis to get them to bend to his will.
It's not a silver bullet but it is a bullet. Everybody in that meeting and everybody who was involved in the contract has been deposed and they all say the same thing. Novell never sold the copyrights.
What's really cool is that bed news tends to send their stock up. I would not be surprised to see their stock reach all the way to four dollars tommorow.
SCO is suing Novell for slander of title. This means they have to prove malice which means they have to prove that 1) Novell knew they didn't own the copyrights and 2) They said they owned the copyrights.
These minutes indicate that novell believed that they owned the copyrights. As long as they believed that then there can be no slander of title.
George Carlin had a bit in one of his stand ups. It had to do with the fact that all businessmen are out to fuck you over. How do you know? Just put them across the table from each other in a negotiation and both of them are convinced that the other is out to fuck them over.
It's true. In any business negotiation you must presume that the other guy is just as big a dick as you are and is trying to fuck you over just like you are trying to fuck them over.
" Uuuhhh... why not? Do you have a specific issue?"
First of all he is CEO of SUN, this means everything he puts on his blog is designed to serve either himself or his company.
Secondly he is a CEO which means he lies more then the tells the truth no matter what the subject is.
Finally he has a history of saying really really stupid shit like if he buys novell he owns linux and then can hold IBM by the balls.
""Buy Red Hat - Get Sued!" - sure, it's FUD, but hey, FUD works."
So far SCO has only sued it's customers and MS has helped them. MS through the BSA has also sued many of their customers as well. The lesson here is the proprietary companies sue their customers and to date no OSS developer has sued one of their customers.
The best way to shield yourself from lawsuits is to only use open source software.
Best way to counter FUD is speaking the plain truth. The truth is that MS sues it's customers and no imdenification is going to protect you when MS decides to audit you and demand more money.
"I live on planet Earth, thanks. I'm under the impression that the growth of Linux is ever increasing."
Good. We both agree. Linux is growing and will continue to grow.
"I do, however, have a great deal of exposure to extremely non-technically people. Please remember that I am simply expressing an opinion based on my own personal experiences."
So do I. Trust me those people can't use windows either. We have a team of IT people that do nothing but answer helpdesk questions from clueless users who can't seem to be even able to check their email regularly because outlook is so confusing to them. These people would welcome something like evolution of thunderbird because it's so much simpler to use.
"Is it simple enough for a PHB to understand and use?"
Yes. If a PHB can use office they can use open office. IF they know how to use outlook then can use groupwise.
"Of course, here we are assuming you're not using Linux as a multi-user server system and are instead running it in as a single-user "desktop" machine system."
No I am not presuming that. Novell has full linux desktops.
"Ease of installation and availability of software is a big one."
This is handled by the IT dept.
"Can the PHB "Hotsync" with their Handspring / Blackberry? "
Yes.
"Can they just download some software and install it themselves"
Yes but they probably should not be allowed to.
"How about their iPod? Their digital camera? Their scanner? The latest and greatest gadget that does who-knows-what?"
At work? Why?
"I'm afraid that even downloading and installing Firefox on a Linux desktop would be too much for a PHB"
Why would it be any harder then windows. Fire up YAST, click on firebird and it installs. That's a lot easier then downloading MS software, unzipping it and then installing it. With YAST you don't even need to hunt it down on some web site.
"Until is it pretty much exactly the same as Microsoft Windows you will have a hard time getting anywhere with a PHB."
Linux is growing at an explosive pace. It's definately not having problems getting anywhere. WHen the growth of linux adoption slows down even a little bit then I'll worry. Until then it's all sheets to the wind and full force ahead.
"Until hardware and software vendors put the same time and money into developing solutions for Linux as well as Microsoft Windows, it just isn't going to get the recognition it deserves"
It's already getting the recognition it deserves. It's growing wildly despite the best efforts of MS and SCO stop it. They can't even seem to slow down a little bit. Tens of millions spent on lawsuits and it did not even slow down the growth of linux by.01%.
Honestly what planet do you live on? Are you under some impression that the adoption of linux is slowing down or has stopped? If so where did you get that impression.
Windows does not play nice with other operating systems. If you have an operating system in your enterprise which refuses to place nice with other operating systems in your enterprise you should get rid of it.
Samba will never seamlessly integrate with AD. The minute it does MS will change AD. If you pursue that goal MS will keep shifting the ground underneath you and keep you off balance. We should not even try.
Get rid of AD, move to something else that works with ALL your operating systems, get rid of exchange and move to something that works with ALL your operating systems. Get rid of office and move to something that works on ALL your operating systems.
Windows is "just another operating system". If you keep on insisting that your software only works on one of your operating systems then you are doomed. Doomed to be vendor locked to a company which will jerk you around like a puppet.
I thought the point of moderation was to weed out the nonsense. If somebody who out and lies or is severely misinformed gets modded up to +5 there is something severely wrong the moderation system.
The odd thing is that he is still modded at +5 despite being proven wrong. I guess all those MS shills have mod points today.
There are whole books about why it's bad to innovate. Large businesses don't believe in innovation. THey leave that to the smaller companies and then buy them, steal their ideas or destroy them. History is filled with innovators that die or go nowhere.
Most enterprise customers use accounting programs that run on oracle. Novell isn't running their books on quickbooks.
"For most companies it's probably still cheaper just to buy MS than to move to Linux, due to all the migration issues."
Since most companies are mom and pop that's not really true. Enterprise customers do tend to have high migration costs but they have shown willingness in the past to spend a lot of money to gain long term advantage. Do a google for "SAP migration" and see what I am talking about.
"Nearly every business I have consulted or worked for has depended strongly on line of business tools developed on Windows. There is no guarantee that these will work under Linux."
There may be people who are so locked into windows they can never migrate. There is a reason why the phrase "vendor lock" exists. If the company has made a concious decision to lock themselves into a vendor by using non cross platform tools then they may very well be screwed, they will never migrate from windows and MS will jack them around like puppet. It sucks when you are at the mercy of your vendor.
Having said that perhaps they can rewrite their application in java, C#/mono or a any scripting language. It may prove to be too costly in the short them but it might be better in the long term.
Both kerberos and LDAP are available. There is no reason why you can't do this on your own. If you don't feel like doing it just go get a Xserve and use the one that apple made for you. No big deal.
If you want to migrate away from windows you need to start divorcing MS. Take a look at how Novell is doing their internal migration for example.
1) Do away with office. Replace office with openoffice the desktops (still windows). 2) Do away with outlook/exchange. Lucky for novell they have groupwise. 3) Set up a CMS system (novell used thei ifolder product) which keeps track of documents the employees create. This trains the employees to go to an abstract location for all their documents rather then "my documents". 4) Set up a desktop distro with open office, groupwise, ifolder and you are done.
It could be done with small gradual steps. Novell has done it, IBM is doing it and neither one of them is a small company.
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You are presuming of course that all programmers are equal. That any old programmer off the street can come in continue coding the game your team has been developing for the last couple of years.
Also you are presuming the consumers won't care that the game they are playing was made by a company which busted it's union and is being constantly protested.
"This may surprise you, but not every Tom, Dick, and Harry (and Monica?) who work "in the White House" have access to classified CIA information."
Everybody in there has a security clearance. Name the person and then we can talk.
" bipartisan Senate Intelligence Committee."
Only a republitard would believe that commission was bipartisan. Only a republitard knows so little about how senate comitees work.
Somebody corrected me it was not sodium it was phosphorus. It may not technically be called chemical weapons but when you are unleashing phosphorus bombs and literally melting the bodies of iraqis it's chemical warfare.
Just do a google for fallujah phosphorus bombs.
REG:
All right, but apart from the sanitation, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, a fresh water system, and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us?
XERXES:
Brought peace.
You may have a point when it comes to social issues but when it comes to science the issue is more clear cut. There is the truth (as far as anybody can know it) and there is "the other side".
Oh and in no way, shape or form is a journalist able to discern betweent the truth and a lie.
Read the paper, it was an AP story.
The same applies for bush I guess.
That carlin is one insightful dude.
Did you read the paper today? Apparently in fallujah we are using bombs with chemicals (sodium I think) which were causing the iraqis to literally melt to death. I thought to myself we have full cirlce. We are gassing the sunnis just like they gassed the kurds. Saddam killed the kurds in order to get them to bend to his will and bush is gassing the sunnis to get them to bend to his will.
It's not a silver bullet but it is a bullet. Everybody in that meeting and everybody who was involved in the contract has been deposed and they all say the same thing. Novell never sold the copyrights.
What's really cool is that bed news tends to send their stock up. I would not be surprised to see their stock reach all the way to four dollars tommorow.
SCO is suing Novell for slander of title. This means they have to prove malice which means they have to prove that 1) Novell knew they didn't own the copyrights and 2) They said they owned the copyrights.
These minutes indicate that novell believed that they owned the copyrights. As long as they believed that then there can be no slander of title.
George Carlin had a bit in one of his stand ups. It had to do with the fact that all businessmen are out to fuck you over. How do you know? Just put them across the table from each other in a negotiation and both of them are convinced that the other is out to fuck them over.
It's true. In any business negotiation you must presume that the other guy is just as big a dick as you are and is trying to fuck you over just like you are trying to fuck them over.
" Uuuhhh... why not? Do you have a specific issue?"
First of all he is CEO of SUN, this means everything he puts on his blog is designed to serve either himself or his company.
Secondly he is a CEO which means he lies more then the tells the truth no matter what the subject is.
Finally he has a history of saying really really stupid shit like if he buys novell he owns linux and then can hold IBM by the balls.
""Buy Red Hat - Get Sued!" - sure, it's FUD, but hey, FUD works."
So far SCO has only sued it's customers and MS has helped them. MS through the BSA has also sued many of their customers as well. The lesson here is the proprietary companies sue their customers and to date no OSS developer has sued one of their customers.
The best way to shield yourself from lawsuits is to only use open source software.
Best way to counter FUD is speaking the plain truth. The truth is that MS sues it's customers and no imdenification is going to protect you when MS decides to audit you and demand more money.
"I live on planet Earth, thanks. I'm under the impression that the growth of Linux is ever increasing."
Good. We both agree. Linux is growing and will continue to grow.
"I do, however, have a great deal of exposure to extremely non-technically people. Please remember that I am simply expressing an opinion based on my own personal experiences."
So do I. Trust me those people can't use windows either. We have a team of IT people that do nothing but answer helpdesk questions from clueless users who can't seem to be even able to check their email regularly because outlook is so confusing to them. These people would welcome something like evolution of thunderbird because it's so much simpler to use.
And you believe him? Why?
Huh? OF course they had access to classified information, they probably worked in the president's office.
As for joe wilson I think you are lying. Not that it would surprise me that a republican controlled senate would try and smear him.
"Is it simple enough for a PHB to understand and use?"
.01%.
Yes. If a PHB can use office they can use open office. IF they know how to use outlook then can use groupwise.
"Of course, here we are assuming you're not using Linux as a multi-user server system and are instead running it in as a single-user "desktop" machine system."
No I am not presuming that. Novell has full linux desktops.
"Ease of installation and availability of software is a big one."
This is handled by the IT dept.
"Can the PHB "Hotsync" with their Handspring / Blackberry? "
Yes.
"Can they just download some software and install it themselves"
Yes but they probably should not be allowed to.
"How about their iPod? Their digital camera? Their scanner? The latest and greatest gadget that does who-knows-what?"
At work? Why?
"I'm afraid that even downloading and installing Firefox on a Linux desktop would be too much for a PHB"
Why would it be any harder then windows. Fire up YAST, click on firebird and it installs. That's a lot easier then downloading MS software, unzipping it and then installing it. With YAST you don't even need to hunt it down on some web site.
"Until is it pretty much exactly the same as Microsoft Windows you will have a hard time getting anywhere with a PHB."
Linux is growing at an explosive pace. It's definately not having problems getting anywhere. WHen the growth of linux adoption slows down even a little bit then I'll worry. Until then it's all sheets to the wind and full force ahead.
"Until hardware and software vendors put the same time and money into developing solutions for Linux as well as Microsoft Windows, it just isn't going to get the recognition it deserves"
It's already getting the recognition it deserves. It's growing wildly despite the best efforts of MS and SCO stop it. They can't even seem to slow down a little bit. Tens of millions spent on lawsuits and it did not even slow down the growth of linux by
Honestly what planet do you live on? Are you under some impression that the adoption of linux is slowing down or has stopped? If so where did you get that impression.
Windows does not play nice with other operating systems. If you have an operating system in your enterprise which refuses to place nice with other operating systems in your enterprise you should get rid of it.
Samba will never seamlessly integrate with AD. The minute it does MS will change AD. If you pursue that goal MS will keep shifting the ground underneath you and keep you off balance. We should not even try.
Get rid of AD, move to something else that works with ALL your operating systems, get rid of exchange and move to something that works with ALL your operating systems. Get rid of office and move to something that works on ALL your operating systems.
Windows is "just another operating system". If you keep on insisting that your software only works on one of your operating systems then you are doomed. Doomed to be vendor locked to a company which will jerk you around like a puppet.
I thought the point of moderation was to weed out the nonsense. If somebody who out and lies or is severely misinformed gets modded up to +5 there is something severely wrong the moderation system.
The odd thing is that he is still modded at +5 despite being proven wrong. I guess all those MS shills have mod points today.
There are whole books about why it's bad to innovate. Large businesses don't believe in innovation. THey leave that to the smaller companies and then buy them, steal their ideas or destroy them. History is filled with innovators that die or go nowhere.
Most enterprise customers use accounting programs that run on oracle. Novell isn't running their books on quickbooks.
"For most companies it's probably still cheaper just to buy MS than to move to Linux, due to all the migration issues."
Since most companies are mom and pop that's not really true. Enterprise customers do tend to have high migration costs but they have shown willingness in the past to spend a lot of money to gain long term advantage. Do a google for "SAP migration" and see what I am talking about.
"Nearly every business I have consulted or worked for has depended strongly on line of business tools developed on Windows. There is no guarantee that these will work under Linux."
There may be people who are so locked into windows they can never migrate. There is a reason why the phrase "vendor lock" exists. If the company has made a concious decision to lock themselves into a vendor by using non cross platform tools then they may very well be screwed, they will never migrate from windows and MS will jack them around like puppet. It sucks when you are at the mercy of your vendor.
Having said that perhaps they can rewrite their application in java, C#/mono or a any scripting language. It may prove to be too costly in the short them but it might be better in the long term.
"I may have some techie cred in our office,"
Wow, i'd hate to see what the rest of your office is like. Rdesktop IS a terminal services client. You can also check out what nomachine offers.
Both kerberos and LDAP are available. There is no reason why you can't do this on your own. If you don't feel like doing it just go get a Xserve and use the one that apple made for you. No big deal.
If you want to migrate away from windows you need to start divorcing MS. Take a look at how Novell is doing their internal migration for example.
1) Do away with office. Replace office with openoffice the desktops (still windows).
2) Do away with outlook/exchange. Lucky for novell they have groupwise.
3) Set up a CMS system (novell used thei ifolder product) which keeps track of documents the employees create. This trains the employees to go to an abstract location for all their documents rather then "my documents".
4) Set up a desktop distro with open office, groupwise, ifolder and you are done.
It could be done with small gradual steps. Novell has done it, IBM is doing it and neither one of them is a small company.