Because the CEO of Microsoft who is one of the richest men on this planet and somebody who has tremendous amount of political clout promised to sue people who were using open source products unless they bought it from novell.
No it's a trap. The code that Novell puts in there will violate MS patents. Novell is rushing so that the only "safe" was to use OO is to use theirs. Everybody who uses OO that does not come from Novell will be open to a lawsuit from MS.
It doesn't matter if the code is open sourced and hosted on sourceforge. It most likely violated MS patents and MS said they intend to sue anybody who USES any software which violates their patents unless it was bought from novell.
So once you download and install this plug in you make yourself a target for a lawsuit from MS. Furthermore the developers who may contribute to the plugins will also be sued (according to the CEO of MS).
Open source doesn't mean jack shit in this case. MS is laying the groundwork for a series of lawsuits.
Don't we know for a fact that pro global warming science has been surpressed by the bush administration?
Also how do we know gray isn't complaining about sour grapes? Maybe his funding was cut because he did shoddy research, maybe it was cut because there is no money.
The legal front is another and more dangerous front in the war against MS. Overall it was a great front to open up and they have been steadly loosing there. Company after company has gotten hundreds of millions of dollars from MS. This is a war that MS doesn't know how to fight very well as evidenced by their steady stream of losses.
Every penny MS spends paying lawyers and paying penalties is a penny they are not spending on engineering, design, or bribing politicians.
In the long run opening up the legal front in the war against MS will be looked as a great strategic move.
I find it amazing how the liberterian mindset is willing to settle for a country with 50% or more mathematic illiteracy. I suppose it comes from thinking that you and your l33t friends can do everything and that you don't need the unwashed masses.
What's really funny is that they botched up the only serious project they ever attempted which was to take over a small state.
Eliminate public schools and I guarantee you at least 30% illiteracy in the US and at least 50% of people who are unable to solve simple math problems.
Most people can't afford private school and private schools won't take most children. Most people are unable to teach their kids anything either.
So we should venerate them because they are trying? How long have they been trying with vista? You'd think that after all that they would have actually accomplished something.
Lets face both linux and apple are improving at a faster rate then windows. Vista just hit the streets so there won't be anything new from MS for at least three to five years and in the mean time the competition will be continually improving. MS will be too busy suing open source companies and people who use open source software, that's their new revenue stream I guess.
We know that the egyptians traveled far and wide. The bible shows that the jews and other people lived nomadic lifestyles, the ancient greeks traveled all around the Mediterranean. You would think this knowledge would have spread. I mean it's got to be one of the most practical technologies anybody can have right?
Will you listen to yourself man? Do you know what you are saying? Let me summarize it for you.
There is grandma jane. Grandma jane is thinking to herself "geez do I want to use windows or do I want to use linux". She just can't make up her mind. One day she is reading slashdot and sees me calling you an idiot and a lightbulb goes off in her head. She says to herself "I am certainly not going to use linux because killjoe called suggsjc an idiot on slashdot!. Having made her decision she goes down to best buy and purchases windows and installs it knowing that if she ever needs help she will have the aid of those friendly windows geeks as opposed to those mean linux geeks.
What the fuck? Is that really how you see the world?
The ancient egytians knew how to make concrete. How come not everything made out of concrete? Why or how did that knowledge completely disappear from the planet for thousands of years. How come it never traveled outside of egypt?
"I wasn't talking about corporate people/IT decisions. I was talking about individual consumers wanting to make "the switch" and when they try, people like that guy (and not necessarily on/.) calling them a "fool" doesn't help."
Individuals don't choose. They use whatever is installed on the PC they bought. They also don't read slashdot.
"Ok... Last I checked, Gates is pretty good at compromising."
Really? You checked that did you?
"He has his own scholarship, his own charity, and as a person, he is regarded as a very nice person. "
Why does he have his own scholarship when he could have funded the millions already out there. Why does he have his own charity when he could have funded the millions out there already. I tell you why. Because it's very important to him that his name be attached to those gifts. He needs to reform his image and that of MS. This strategy has worked brilliantly. Every time the topic of MS and it's evilness comes up people immediately point to bill gates charity work as if it was MS that was giving that money away.
My point is that to bill gates the giving away of the money has a purpose other then just helping people. It's important to him that people associate the money with him and his company. So yes it is all about himself. It's all about convincing you and others like you that he is not some cutthroat criminal who made billions breaking the law and it's worked brilliantly.
Anyway corporations are not run like democracies and the govt is not a product. Could you imagine if the govt sucked as much as windows. Bill Gates never gets things right the first time. Nothing MS made was any good till version three and you can only get relected once. I certainly don't want govt 1.0 and 2.0 created by Bill Gates.
Bush has showed us that ruthless determination isn't such a great trait in a president.
Gates would make a horrible president because the country is not run like a dictatorship like all companies are. At MS he was the dictator, what he said went and anybody who questioned him could be canned. As a president you have to work with the congress. Bush had a compliant congress who were sycophantic to an obscene degree but even then he failed miserably in just about everything he tried.
Gates is not used to compromising, he is not used to being disagreed with. He would make a horrible president.
No I didn't miss it and no you don't put people who are not objective on your board. You want people who will listen to all points of view and make a decision that is in the best interest of your own company. If you want to hear the point of view of MS you invite them to give you a presentation. Then you invite redhat and then you do own research, then you invite other people. Then you weigh the evidence in a objective manner and make a decision.
"its narrow minded sentiment like this that actually keeps people from switching to linux and its surrounding projects. "
So let me get this straight. Ballmer and Gates calling people communists doesn't hinder windows adoption. Ballmer threating to sue linux users doesn't hinder windows adoption. Ballmer dancing like a giant sweaty monkey doesn't hinder windows adoption. Balmer and Gates being unable to speak in public without telling lies doesn't hinder windows adoption. MS being sued by dozens of companies and losing doesn't hinder windows adoption.
But some shcmuck on slashdot critizising some other schmuck on slashdot well that hinders the adoption of all open source software!
MS isn't promising not to sue Novell, they are promising not to sue novell customers. That's a big difference. Of course there are loopholes so their promise is worthless anyway.
Ballmer has recently stated that they are ready to start suing people who USE linux if that linux was not purchased from SUSE/Novell. This mean you could be sued by MS, I could, anybody could.
"Why? Why not just spend the money and get competent Windows administraters?"
Both Bill Gates and Steve Ballmer have said many times that one of the reasons why windows is cheaper to run is because you don't need to pay for an expensive sysadmin. Anybody can administer windows. Bill Gates says so and he would never lie.
He doesn't belong on the board. Not only is he an MS lobbyist he is also an MS employee. He is unable to make any rational choices or decisions and will automatically vote for anything MS and anything anti-oss. Why even bother putting somebody on the board when you already know how they are going to vote on every issue.
Why can't you be both? Besides what's wrong with being anti ms. It's just a corporation, I would find it disgusting if somebody was pro MS. Corporations don't deserve any love, devotion, kindness, or love. They are not human beings, they are not communities, they are not moral, they are purely machines designed to make money.
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I believe you are looking for lisp. It's XML cleaned up, simplified and hulkified.
The spec is not the implementation. MS probably has patents on algorithms that manipulate the XML.
Because the CEO of Microsoft who is one of the richest men on this planet and somebody who has tremendous amount of political clout promised to sue people who were using open source products unless they bought it from novell.
No it's a trap. The code that Novell puts in there will violate MS patents. Novell is rushing so that the only "safe" was to use OO is to use theirs. Everybody who uses OO that does not come from Novell will be open to a lawsuit from MS.
It doesn't matter if the code is open sourced and hosted on sourceforge. It most likely violated MS patents and MS said they intend to sue anybody who USES any software which violates their patents unless it was bought from novell.
So once you download and install this plug in you make yourself a target for a lawsuit from MS. Furthermore the developers who may contribute to the plugins will also be sued (according to the CEO of MS).
Open source doesn't mean jack shit in this case. MS is laying the groundwork for a series of lawsuits.
So if anybody uses this version of OO in debian or redhat will be sued by MS right?
Don't we know for a fact that pro global warming science has been surpressed by the bush administration?
Also how do we know gray isn't complaining about sour grapes? Maybe his funding was cut because he did shoddy research, maybe it was cut because there is no money.
The legal front is another and more dangerous front in the war against MS. Overall it was a great front to open up and they have been steadly loosing there. Company after company has gotten hundreds of millions of dollars from MS. This is a war that MS doesn't know how to fight very well as evidenced by their steady stream of losses.
Every penny MS spends paying lawyers and paying penalties is a penny they are not spending on engineering, design, or bribing politicians.
In the long run opening up the legal front in the war against MS will be looked as a great strategic move.
I find it amazing how the liberterian mindset is willing to settle for a country with 50% or more mathematic illiteracy. I suppose it comes from thinking that you and your l33t friends can do everything and that you don't need the unwashed masses.
What's really funny is that they botched up the only serious project they ever attempted which was to take over a small state.
Eliminate public schools and I guarantee you at least 30% illiteracy in the US and at least 50% of people who are unable to solve simple math problems.
Most people can't afford private school and private schools won't take most children. Most people are unable to teach their kids anything either.
So we should venerate them because they are trying? How long have they been trying with vista? You'd think that after all that they would have actually accomplished something.
Lets face both linux and apple are improving at a faster rate then windows. Vista just hit the streets so there won't be anything new from MS for at least three to five years and in the mean time the competition will be continually improving. MS will be too busy suing open source companies and people who use open source software, that's their new revenue stream I guess.
We know that the egyptians traveled far and wide. The bible shows that the jews and other people lived nomadic lifestyles, the ancient greeks traveled all around the Mediterranean. You would think this knowledge would have spread. I mean it's got to be one of the most practical technologies anybody can have right?
Will you listen to yourself man? Do you know what you are saying? Let me summarize it for you.
There is grandma jane. Grandma jane is thinking to herself "geez do I want to use windows or do I want to use linux". She just can't make up her mind. One day she is reading slashdot and sees me calling you an idiot and a lightbulb goes off in her head. She says to herself "I am certainly not going to use linux because killjoe called suggsjc an idiot on slashdot!. Having made her decision she goes down to best buy and purchases windows and installs it knowing that if she ever needs help she will have the aid of those friendly windows geeks as opposed to those mean linux geeks.
What the fuck? Is that really how you see the world?
What puzzles me is this.
The ancient egytians knew how to make concrete. How come not everything made out of concrete? Why or how did that knowledge completely disappear from the planet for thousands of years. How come it never traveled outside of egypt?
"I wasn't talking about corporate people/IT decisions. I was talking about individual consumers wanting to make "the switch" and when they try, people like that guy (and not necessarily on /.) calling them a "fool" doesn't help."
Individuals don't choose. They use whatever is installed on the PC they bought. They also don't read slashdot.
Yes you are an idiot, sorry to break it to you.
"Ok... Last I checked, Gates is pretty good at compromising."
Really? You checked that did you?
"He has his own scholarship, his own charity, and as a person, he is regarded as a very nice person. "
Why does he have his own scholarship when he could have funded the millions already out there. Why does he have his own charity when he could have funded the millions out there already. I tell you why. Because it's very important to him that his name be attached to those gifts. He needs to reform his image and that of MS. This strategy has worked brilliantly. Every time the topic of MS and it's evilness comes up people immediately point to bill gates charity work as if it was MS that was giving that money away.
My point is that to bill gates the giving away of the money has a purpose other then just helping people. It's important to him that people associate the money with him and his company. So yes it is all about himself. It's all about convincing you and others like you that he is not some cutthroat criminal who made billions breaking the law and it's worked brilliantly.
Anyway corporations are not run like democracies and the govt is not a product. Could you imagine if the govt sucked as much as windows. Bill Gates never gets things right the first time. Nothing MS made was any good till version three and you can only get relected once. I certainly don't want govt 1.0 and 2.0 created by Bill Gates.
You are an idiot. Sorry to break it to you.
Not even the stupidest CEO will base technology decisions on what people on slashdot say.
Bush has showed us that ruthless determination isn't such a great trait in a president.
Gates would make a horrible president because the country is not run like a dictatorship like all companies are. At MS he was the dictator, what he said went and anybody who questioned him could be canned. As a president you have to work with the congress. Bush had a compliant congress who were sycophantic to an obscene degree but even then he failed miserably in just about everything he tried.
Gates is not used to compromising, he is not used to being disagreed with. He would make a horrible president.
No I didn't miss it and no you don't put people who are not objective on your board. You want people who will listen to all points of view and make a decision that is in the best interest of your own company. If you want to hear the point of view of MS you invite them to give you a presentation. Then you invite redhat and then you do own research, then you invite other people. Then you weigh the evidence in a objective manner and make a decision.
"its narrow minded sentiment like this that actually keeps people from switching to linux and its surrounding projects. "
So let me get this straight. Ballmer and Gates calling people communists doesn't hinder windows adoption. Ballmer threating to sue linux users doesn't hinder windows adoption. Ballmer dancing like a giant sweaty monkey doesn't hinder windows adoption. Balmer and Gates being unable to speak in public without telling lies doesn't hinder windows adoption. MS being sued by dozens of companies and losing doesn't hinder windows adoption.
But some shcmuck on slashdot critizising some other schmuck on slashdot well that hinders the adoption of all open source software!
Give me a fucking break.
MS isn't promising not to sue Novell, they are promising not to sue novell customers. That's a big difference. Of course there are loopholes so their promise is worthless anyway.
Ballmer has recently stated that they are ready to start suing people who USE linux if that linux was not purchased from SUSE/Novell. This mean you could be sued by MS, I could, anybody could.
"Why? Why not just spend the money and get competent Windows administraters?"
Both Bill Gates and Steve Ballmer have said many times that one of the reasons why windows is cheaper to run is because you don't need to pay for an expensive sysadmin. Anybody can administer windows. Bill Gates says so and he would never lie.
"I find MS proponents almost everywhere. "
Certainly here on slashdot. They are everywhere. To be fair most are paid shills and astro turfers though.
He doesn't belong on the board. Not only is he an MS lobbyist he is also an MS employee. He is unable to make any rational choices or decisions and will automatically vote for anything MS and anything anti-oss. Why even bother putting somebody on the board when you already know how they are going to vote on every issue.
Why can't you be both? Besides what's wrong with being anti ms. It's just a corporation, I would find it disgusting if somebody was pro MS. Corporations don't deserve any love, devotion, kindness, or love. They are not human beings, they are not communities, they are not moral, they are purely machines designed to make money.