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Get on the 'Gates for President' Bandwagon

netbuzz writes "Dilbert's Scott Adams kicked off the idea in his November 19th blog post, saying there isn't anything wrong with this country that President Bill Gates couldn't cure in less time than it takes to get a new operating system out the door. Today, the idea is moving forward with a brand-new 'Bill Gates for President' Web site. Adams is also back on the campaign trail, flogging the site and Gates' candidacy." A blog post at Network World includes a lot of eye-rolling about this idea, but neither Adams nor the folks at the 'Gates for President' website seem to be taking this lightly.

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  1. Bill DID say he was leaving microsoft... by gevmage · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Hmmm...I seem to remember that Bill say that he was going to be stepping down as Microsoft CEO in a couple of years...right about when the 2008 Presidential campaign would be heating up.

    Microsoft decided to get into the console gaming arena without any prior experience. Perhaps Bill is thinking this same thing with politics. After all, Arnold Schwatzenegger and Jesse Ventura both won state governorships primarily on name recognition. And as much as I despise is company's tactics, he is quite intelligent and has real management skills.

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    1. Re:Bill DID say he was leaving microsoft... by BandwidthHog · · Score: 4, Funny
      Hmmm...I seem to remember that Bill say that he was going to be stepping down as Microsoft CEO in a couple of years...

      You must have heard that a couple of years ago.

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    2. Re:Bill DID say he was leaving microsoft... by HTTP+Error+403+403.9 · · Score: 3, Funny

      I'd rather vote for John Cusack.

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    3. Re:Bill DID say he was leaving microsoft... by Firehed · · Score: 2, Interesting

      While I can't say I love the idea, I'd probably rather have Bill as President than most of the people who run. I certainly don't care for much of his software or related practices (WGA, anyone?), but he is a smart man.

      Of course, I don't see the OpenDocument movement in Mass. going through if this were to happen. But, in honesty, if that's the biggest problem that came from his theoretical presidency, I'd be thrilled.

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    4. Re:Bill DID say he was leaving microsoft... by JDevers · · Score: 5, Funny

      Hell, I think I would rather vote for Joan Cusack...

    5. Re:Bill DID say he was leaving microsoft... by Intron · · Score: 4, Funny

      But Bill Gates wasn't in Predator.

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    6. Re:Bill DID say he was leaving microsoft... by Moofie · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "but he is a smart man."

      How do you figure?

      Seriously. Since kinda writing Basic a million years ago, what has he done that makes you think he's anything other than a rich kid who was in the right place at the right time?

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    7. Re:Bill DID say he was leaving microsoft... by LithiumX · · Score: 1

      I dislike Bill's business practices. I get sick of hearing the word "Innovation" used in place of "Incremental Improvement". I think he's sneaky and underhanded.

      I also think he might make for a very interesting president, not because of wow-factor, but because he's proven that he was capable of building up a company from nothing to global megacorp, and did it well. Tenacity, imagination, and brute intelligence.

      I'm not certain, but if he announced his candidacy, I would very ... VERY... seriously consider actively supporting the idea. It's not as if anyone could buy him out at this point - my only concern would be if he could stay ballanced when it came to Microsoft-related issues.

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    8. Re:Bill DID say he was leaving microsoft... by Shadow+Wrought · · Score: 5, Insightful
      While I can't say I love the idea, I'd probably rather have Bill as President than most of the people who run.

      I was thinking this too. How sad that one of the most reviled of businessmen is actually attractive compared to so much of the other options when it comes to President.

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    9. Re:Bill DID say he was leaving microsoft... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Worst case, he would make a wonderful governer of Washington State, the unions would love to get a toe hold in M$.

    10. Re:Bill DID say he was leaving microsoft... by Jett · · Score: 5, Funny

      I'd rather vote for John Carmack.

    11. Re:Bill DID say he was leaving microsoft... by Ruff_ilb · · Score: 1

      Except you can't STEP DOWN in time for the election. You have to be doing a hell of a lot of work and campaigning, especially considering that he's not a politician... he definitely has the CASH resources, no doubt about that, to fund the entire thing probably out of his own pocket. On the other hand, he'd have to get started RIGHT NOW in order to be an effective candidate at all. I can't exactly see him getting the democratic or republican nod at this point, and he won't win as an independent.

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    12. Re:Bill DID say he was leaving microsoft... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I get sick of hearing the word "Innovation" used in place of "Incremental Improvement". I think he's sneaky and underhanded.

      FYI, incremental improvement is AKA kaizen, which is part of why Japanese electronics are so freaking good. I think a guy named Chuck Darwin wrote a book about incremental improvements too, apparently some people got the notion this technique can be used to solve some pretty complicated problems... See also Linux kernel CVS. Incremental improvements can be quite innovatory.

      Cheers.

    13. Re:Bill DID say he was leaving microsoft... by TerminalWriter · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'd rather vote for Carnac the Magnificent

    14. Re:Bill DID say he was leaving microsoft... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No. But he was played by Kevin Peter Hall.

    15. Re:Bill DID say he was leaving microsoft... by madprogrammer · · Score: 1

      Maybe not, but his company *is* a Predator.

      I'm j/k... I stole this from a post down below that mentioned MS being convicted of being an illegal monopoly and being a predator.

      I don't love Microsoft, but I don't believe that Gates is evil.

    16. Re:Bill DID say he was leaving microsoft... by westlake · · Score: 4, Insightful
      How sad that one of the most reviled of businessmen is actually attractive compared to so much of the other options when it comes to President.

      reviled by the Geek, perhaps. but not by TIME magazine. and not by the population generally. which has never shared the Geek's hatred of Microsoft.

      a poster the other day had the right idea when he wrote that the Borg icon for Gates was a desperately lame and tired old joke that has no resonance beyond Slashdot.

    17. Re:Bill DID say he was leaving microsoft... by FoXDie · · Score: 0, Offtopic
    18. Re:Bill DID say he was leaving microsoft... by smittyoneeach · · Score: 1

      I'd rather vote for Cormac mac Art: proven executive credentials.

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    19. Re:Bill DID say he was leaving microsoft... by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 1
      Speaking for the international community, I say that Bill Gates as president is something I would NEVER want to see... he's the one who popularized FUD and Embrace, Extend, and Extinguish. We have to deal with enough of those strategies from the US already, thank you.

      On the other hand, he's probably already doing more good for the world at large now than US politicians have in a long time, through his various non-profit efforts.

      Think about it: people get into politics because they want to change the world... Gates has already achieved that in multiple ways without having to stoop to politicking. He'd have everything to lose and nothing to gain by becoming a more public figure.

    20. Re:Bill DID say he was leaving microsoft... by ticklish2day · · Score: 1

      remember Ross Perot...

    21. Re:Bill DID say he was leaving microsoft... by smittyoneeach · · Score: 1

      K Street Crawler: We want this legislation vetoed, and we're not afraid to buy you.
      Bill:Buy me? Buy me? No, no, no: in Gates America, Gates buys you !

      It would be a different sort of Declaration of Independence, indeed.

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    22. Re:Bill DID say he was leaving microsoft... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah, but she didn't have the President Barbie as a kid. She got the Malibu Barbie. That wasn't what she want, it wasn't who she was. She was GRACEFUL... DELICATE...

      Her parents HAD to go *click*

    23. Re:Bill DID say he was leaving microsoft... by M$+Mole · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Hell, I think I would rather vote for Joan Cusack... THIS got modded as "Informative"? Seriously? I don't think that word means what you think it means.

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    24. Re:Bill DID say he was leaving microsoft... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I'd probably rather have Bill as President than most of the people who run..."

      For me that is a scary thought. As a President, you need to compromise and negotiate. I don't think Bill has any of that experience. He is use to his way or the highway. He would lock-in Americans to something that is for the benefit of some private company without considering one thought to the greater good of the people. That's what is private business has thought him and that doesn't make a good public leader.

    25. Re:Bill DID say he was leaving microsoft... by megaditto · · Score: 3, Insightful
      what has he done that makes you think he's anything other than a rich kid who was in the right place at the right time?

      Bush Jr. was also a rich kid, in the right place, and at the right time; yet somehow his every single business venture ended up in a miserable failure (Arbusto Energy, Harken, Spectrum, Rangers, Sammy Sosa fuckup, etc. etc.)

      So I might, just might be willing to give Bill Gates a try.

      Unfortunately, not being a sociopathic sadist, Gates is at real disadvantage.
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    26. Re:Bill DID say he was leaving microsoft... by abe+ferlman · · Score: 1

      Why do you think those other guys only became governors?

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    27. Re:Bill DID say he was leaving microsoft... by lukas.mach · · Score: 1

      "The problem can be considered notable in cultural trivia, as the only well-known paper ever published by Microsoft Chairman and billionaire Bill Gates (as William Gates), entitled "Bounds for Sorting by Prefix Reversal", describes an efficient algorithm for pancake sorting. In addition, the only paper published by Futurama co-creator David X. Cohen (as David S. Cohen) concerned the burnt pancake problem. Their collaborators were Christos Papadimitriou (then at Harvard, now at Berkeley) and Manuel Blum (then at Berkeley, now at Carnegie Mellon University), respectively."

      'Gates, W. and Papadimitriou, C. "Bounds for Sorting by Prefix Reversal." Discrete Mathematics. 27, 47-57, 1979.'

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pancake_sorting

    28. Re:Bill DID say he was leaving microsoft... by The_Wilschon · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'd rather vote for Cohen the Barbarian.

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    29. Re:Bill DID say he was leaving microsoft... by JoshJ · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Schwarzenegger can't become president without a Constitutional amendment which probably isn't going to happen in this age of xenophobia.

    30. Re:Bill DID say he was leaving microsoft... by Moofie · · Score: 1

      OK, so Bill Gates is smarter than George W. Bush. So are the contents of my sock drawer.

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    31. Re:Bill DID say he was leaving microsoft... by Vancorps · · Score: 1

      Why would Bill Gates need a political party affiliation to win? He doesn't need their money and he certainly doesn't need them to help promote his name. Everyone in America likely knows who Bill Gates is already and most of them know him as a very successful businessman who gives billions to charity. Sounds to me like he would survive just fine without a political party and might be inclined to get this whole political party non-sense fixed for good.

      I'm obviously being optimistic, perhaps overly so. I just don't want this next election to just be more of the same utterly pointless political party against political party bullshit. It's bad for everyone except the media companies.

      He'd be a far from perfect president but still I'd see it a step up from what we currently have but I have no trouble picturing him as a very powerful candidate right out of the box. I guess we'd have to wait and see his stance on his issues before we can decide if he'd be a good candidate or not but I certainly see a potential there. Although I think John Stewart for President would be interesting too... of course I'm joking but it goes to show that few people like the political environment as it is. Currently it is a no-win situation so it seems we should push for a change in the landscape so that we can get some real improvement and hopefully stop repeating mistakes of the past.

    32. Re:Bill DID say he was leaving microsoft... by cshotton · · Score: 5, Insightful

      reviled by the Geek, perhaps. but not by TIME magazine. and not by the population generally. which has never shared the Geek's hatred of Microsoft.

      All that shows is Gates' ability to retain a competent PR firm to groom his image in such a way that his misanthropic tendencies, dubious business practices, and outdated technical expertise are hidden behind the gloss of a $50 billion net worth. In a land of "Who wants to be a millionaire", most of the shallow end of the gene pool can't be bothered with actually analyzing the skills and merits (or lack thereof) of their political candidates.

      This story is one of the biggest meta-trolls posted in Slashdot history. Honestly, what qualifies a newspaper cartoonist to advocate the political candidacy of one of the least qualified personalities imaginable other than the possible humor value when he laughs about it with friends a year from now?

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    33. Re:Bill DID say he was leaving microsoft... by Ignominious+Cow+Herd · · Score: 3, Funny

      "I WANT MY TWO DOLLARS!!!"

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    34. Re:Bill DID say he was leaving microsoft... by abe+ferlman · · Score: 1

      And why the xenophobia?

      Predator.

      QED baby, QED.

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    35. Re:Bill DID say he was leaving microsoft... by UnixRawks · · Score: 0

      I'd rather vote for Sacha Baron Cohen

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    36. Re:Bill DID say he was leaving microsoft... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But Bill Gates wasn't in Predator.

      But he was in Monopoly and Extortion 2000 with some key ties to the NSA. He already knows how government corruption works....

    37. Re:Bill DID say he was leaving microsoft... by Eyes666 · · Score: 1

      But Bill Gates wasn't in Predator.

      What if Carl Weathers was Vice President?

    38. Re:Bill DID say he was leaving microsoft... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the Borg icon for Gates was a desperately lame and tired old joke that has no resonance beyond Slashdot.

      Odd how the icon only appears in that context on Slashdot then isn't it? Was it too obvious for you or something?

    39. Re:Bill DID say he was leaving microsoft... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      3% is most? Odd math you are using.

    40. Re:Bill DID say he was leaving microsoft... by Pharmboy · · Score: 3, Funny

      In this world, you have only predators and prey. I would always choose to be the predator.

      If he could do for the US what he did for operating systems, then the US would own the whole world, but it would be a crappy place to live and wouldn't work very well.

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    41. Re:Bill DID say he was leaving microsoft... by Sj0 · · Score: 1

      I'd rather vote for the Red Baron, Manfred Frhr von Richthofen.

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    42. Re:Bill DID say he was leaving microsoft... by Sj0 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Making up words is also very innovatorious. You, sir, are a true innovatoriat.

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    43. Re:Bill DID say he was leaving microsoft... by Anpheus · · Score: 1

      I would think the fact that Bill Gates could monetarily fund his entire campaign, sans ANY lobbyist or fundraising initiative is a pretty good mark that he could stay balanced when it comes to any issue. He's becoming detached from Microsoft, soon he'll be nothing but a name in the old ledger books and a few pictures I imagine, and he won't need to take a dime in other people's money to put ads for his campaign out. Personally, I think he's in an incredibly good position to run from president simply for the fact that he can be the only person to run on a platform of simultaneously being the most monetarily charitable human being in the world and not being a puppet for the lobbyists.

    44. Re:Bill DID say he was leaving microsoft... by Philotic · · Score: 0

      I'd rather vote for Jack Kerouac.

    45. Re:Bill DID say he was leaving microsoft... by ericartman · · Score: 1

      Jimmy Smitts he never got his chance!

    46. Re:Bill DID say he was leaving microsoft... by StikyPad · · Score: 5, Funny

      So you're saying nothing would change...

    47. Re:Bill DID say he was leaving microsoft... by blockcentre · · Score: 1

      How can Bill Gates become a "more" public figure? Is there anyone in this world that doesn't know who he is? I don't think being a public figure or coming under scrutiny would be a problem for him. Probably the only person that cops more scrutiny than him is George W.

      His interests in Microsoft would have to be kept in check. I can't see him pushing MS products once he becomes President anyway - that'll just result in a bigger bashing from the public than he could ever imagine.

    48. Re:Bill DID say he was leaving microsoft... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Reviled to you and lots of people here on Slashdot maybe, but this isn't the real world. :) Many people (i.e. voters) see a successful businessman, who created a huge company and became hugely rich. What's running the U.S. but another bigger company? And campaigns are won in the media these days, and who would have more money for advertising than Mr. Gates? I wouldn't vote for him, but I really do think he would have a good chance at being elected.

    49. Re:Bill DID say he was leaving microsoft... by Mawbid · · Score: 1

      Hehe, thanks for giving me the idea of a company called The Sammy Sosa Fuckup.

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    50. Re:Bill DID say he was leaving microsoft... by einsteinx2 · · Score: 1

      HAHAHAHA I fuckin love Better Off Dead!

    51. Re:Bill DID say he was leaving microsoft... by mrchaotica · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'd rather vote for Jack Thomps... wait, what the fuck am I saying?!! *shoots self*

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    52. Re:Bill DID say he was leaving microsoft... by HomelessInLaJolla · · Score: 1

      > Note that we do not count the time needed to find the
      > largest pancake, only the number of flips; if we wished

      I'd be interested in working on the algorithm being used to find the largest pancake.

      > to create a real machine to execute this algorithm in linear time,
      > it would have to both perform prefix reversal (flips) and be able
      > to find the maximum of a range of consecutive numbers in constant time

      So what's wrong with doing that?

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    53. Re:Bill DID say he was leaving microsoft... by CAIMLAS · · Score: 1

      Fuck, I'd rather vote for John Doe.

      That said, if by some fluke of temporal plain energy he runs, I'd vote for him before both Hillary and McCain.

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    54. Re:Bill DID say he was leaving microsoft... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I doubt anyone alive at this point in time has so much for so many worthy causes as Gates. He has certainly given more money to charity than anyone else, probably by a magnitude. If malaria -- which kills more than two million people every year -- is eradicated with the next decade we will have him to thank for the saved lives. When you speak of "misanthropic tendencies", I guess what you are referring to that he forced your favorite browser out of the market, or maybe that he tries to stop you from buying a computer with your favorite unix clone preinstalled? Take a moment and weigh those things against each other: preinstalled unix clone or eradication of malaria. Would you say a person who prefered the former or the latter is misanthropic?

      The (educated) public doesn't like him because he has a slick PR division, they like him because he is currently doing more good than anyone else in the world. And freaks like you -- too pathetic for words, really -- have the gall to whine about "lack of technical expertise"? I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry, but since people like you make up such a miniscule part of the general populace and nobody cares about your inane hangups, I think I'll settle for laughing.

    55. Re:Bill DID say he was leaving microsoft... by caffeinemessiah · · Score: 1

      what's a geek without misanthropic tendencies?

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    56. Re:Bill DID say he was leaving microsoft... by mad_minstrel · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'd rather vote for John Dvorak.

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    57. Re:Bill DID say he was leaving microsoft... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Schwarzenegger can't become president without a Constitutional amendment

      Nor can Tom Riddle, who'd at least be honest about what he was going to do.

    58. Re:Bill DID say he was leaving microsoft... by Saint+Fnordius · · Score: 1

      Bill Gates is smart, yes, but his intelligence and his values systems are all geared to playing different games than what a politician is expected to play. His game is to maximise profits and beat the competition, more or less to play Monopoly. It's not the right mindset for a politcal executive, since the goal is to manage a bureaucracy for the benefit of the citizens on the long term and to avoid the trap of short-term profit grabbing. Business is all about competition, but politics (outside of campaigning) is about finding consensus and accepting compromise.

      It's the old geek arrogance of thinking an expert in one field can be an expert in any field. It's bullshit, and Scott Adams is either trolling or a fool.

      First Ross Perot, then George W. Bush. Haven't we learned by now that businessmen make lousy politicians?

    59. Re:Bill DID say he was leaving microsoft... by rozz · · Score: 1
      hm .. i'm by no means a MS fan, but what exactly is wrong with "president bill gates" ?
      MS is the most successful software company and one of the most successful companies ever... and their employees are quite happy in the full-pockets department .. how many Americans dislike that? .. true, MS generates quite a lot of hate, but it's not like the US is very much loved nowadays.

      in fact, what MS is now between software companies, US is between the world countries - it's the most well known country, most talked about and in-your-face everywhere you go, most hated and definitely the way to go if all you care about is TheMoney !
      and there is no way b.g. will be worst than that "iq black hole" you have now.

      so .. again.. what's wrong with "president b.g." ?

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    60. Re:Bill DID say he was leaving microsoft... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even if Bill Gates slaughtered millions of innocent people for fun, everybody would still be saying how fantastic he is. I bet Bush wishes that he was Bill.

    61. Re:Bill DID say he was leaving microsoft... by Yvanhoe · · Score: 1

      After all, that wouldn't be the first president to disobey law ...

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    62. Re:Bill DID say he was leaving microsoft... by rucs_hack · · Score: 1

      Reviled perhaps, but I wonder how much of that is just reflex, and how much is based on the facts of the matter. Ok, microsoft does suck a lot, but I meet people who dislike them without knowing why. That's a bad idea to my mind, it speaks of faith based reasoning moving into the technology sphere, which cannot be a good thing.

    63. Re:Bill DID say he was leaving microsoft... by Saint+Fnordius · · Score: 1

      Only predators or prey? That is a very stunted view. It's like saying that there's only robbers or the robbed, and leaves no space for cooperation or trade.

      I've only seen this statement until now from those who imagine themselves Dominants and the rest of the world potential Submissives. And of those I've met,none of those holding this philosophy are happy long, since they end up paranoid and fearful of other "predators".

      For your own sake, I hope you abandon this black-or-white worldview.

    64. Re:Bill DID say he was leaving microsoft... by kb · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'd rather vote for Günther Frhr von Gravenreuth.

    65. Re:Bill DID say he was leaving microsoft... by James+McGuigan · · Score: 1

      The original reason for that restriction was to help prevent the english nobility/monarchy or a suitable puppet, from getting elected as head of the newly founded US.

      As for me, I vote Osama Bin Laden for president (ducks)

    66. Re:Bill DID say he was leaving microsoft... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know how well Carmack would do as president - but I imagine at the end of his term we'd have an absurdly efficient engine to cure all our resource problems! Something like 100 miles per DeathMatch.

    67. Re:Bill DID say he was leaving microsoft... by dylan_- · · Score: 1
      In this world, you have only predators and prey. I would always choose to be the predator.
      Not me, I'd rather be the prey. You have a much easier life, get tons more sex, have loads more friends, and when the hunt starts all you have to do is trip up the poor bugger running next to you and let him get eaten!
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    68. Re:Bill DID say he was leaving microsoft... by mmjcon147 · · Score: 1

      if it happened, the rest of the world would instantly drop anything microsoft the moment they found out about it they arent going to want to run software that is connected with a US government. this would be a HUGE win for open source

    69. Re:Bill DID say he was leaving microsoft... by MECC · · Score: 1

      One word (term) for why he shouldn't - H1B

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    70. Re:Bill DID say he was leaving microsoft... by rsargent · · Score: 1
      Actually I'm pretty sure he stepped down to run his charitable foundation. I had the pleasure of watching Bill Gates receive the James C. Morgan Global Humanitarian Award at the Tech Museum Awards in San Jose this past month. He gave what I consider to be a really great speech.

      I looked online and couldn't find a video, but here's a transcript.

      He spoke about how the amount of money spent research diseases that are killing most of the people around the developing world (say, malaria, which kills thousands of children each day) lags way behind money spend on the challenging health problems of the developed world (say, baldness, which prevents thousands of guys from getting laid each day). He spoke with passion and without reading a teleprompter.

      Now I use Linux and home and work and am one of the crowd that tends to be prejudiced against Microsoft because they're so big and wield what I consider to be an unhealthy amount of influence. But I want to take issue with those who think Microsoft or Bill Gates are motivated by evil intentions. There's no big difference between the way Microsoft tries to increase sales and the methods used by other companies. The problem is that Microsoft has been so successful that free market competition isn't working well.

      The big thing that Microsoft has been called on the carpet for is giving discounts to computer manufacturers that bundle Windows with every computer. This is absolutely a normal strategy -- you get software bundled on computers all the time where the software manufacturer gives a discount because the manufacturer sticks it on every computer. It's not evil, just good business.

      The problem is that once you become too big, what used to be good business practices can now become unhealthy. The problem is you don't just wake up one day and think "Wow, we're so successful, let's stop try so hard to sell our products and give the other guys a chance." And that's why we have anti-trust laws which kick in and let the government, on behalf of the rest of us, in effect say to companies like Microsoft that they're too successful and need to back off from some of their business strategies.

      There are really two ways to run afould of anti-trust laws. One is to be so successful that you have a monopoly or close to it, and your business practices need to be restricted. The other is that you secretly call up your competitors and fix prices with them, like the airlines did in the 1980's for example. I think the second is a bit on the evil side, but it's not what Microsoft has been accused of.

      So to summarize, I think Bill Gates is smart and well-intentioned. It's OK and healthy to dislike Microsoft because it wields too much influence, but that doesn't mean that the people who have been leading Microsoft have been doing so with evil intentions.

    71. Re:Bill DID say he was leaving microsoft... by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      While I can't say I love the idea, I'd probably rather have Bill as President than most of the people who run.

      Bill Gates runs a charity, which is basically used as a way of pushing US IP laws abroad (lots of 'free' drugs if you sign the treaty enforcing US IP, none if you don't). It works well to kill pharmaceutical industries in developing nations (because the US companies have enough patents to be an effective barrier to entry), and has the nice side-effect that it helps enforce Microsoft's IP as well. Oh, and he gets to claim he is 'doing good' while doing this.

      For that alone, and discounting anything he did at Microsoft, I would hate to see him as US President.

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    72. Re:Bill DID say he was leaving microsoft... by cshotton · · Score: 1

      I doubt anyone alive at this point in time has so much for so many worthy causes as Gates. He has certainly given more money to charity than anyone else, probably by a magnitude.

      Another victim of successful PR by Gates. The reality is far different. If you'll recall, Gates was roundly chided by his billionaire buddies for having made NO substantive contributions to charitable causes prior to 2000. In fact, it was the subject of a WSJ article and also multi-page articles in Time and Newsweek, discussing his stingy nature. That whole tempest in a teapot led to the formation of the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation and only then did we see any sort of significant charitable contributions from him. The simple fact of the matter is that the man is not a philanthropist and has only acted as one to silence public criticism.

      Furthermore, his "contributions" are not particularly noteworthy when considered as a percentage of his net worth. The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation was started with an endowment of less than $4 billion, primarily in the form of a stock transfer from Bill Gates (which nicely offset the HUGE capital gains he'd made in 1999-2000 as MSFT split twice in that time period.) As a percentage of his net worth, it amounted to less than 10%.

      Warren Buffet, on the other hand, has set in motion the donation of 100% of his personal fortune to charity. Perhaps someone who has genuinely excelled in business and philanthropy like Mr. Buffet would make a more legitimate non-traditional candidate for Scott Adams to advocate than the guy who ripped off CP/M and parlayed it into a fortune by blackmailing IBM and other box manufacturers into bundling his technically substandard O/S?

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    73. Re:Bill DID say he was leaving microsoft... by kabocox · · Score: 1

      While I can't say I love the idea, I'd probably rather have Bill as President than most of the people who run. I was thinking this too. How sad that one of the most reviled of businessmen is actually attractive compared to so much of the other options when it comes to President.

      Well, lawyers, politicans, and actors seem to be the normal governmental options. Bill Gates looks good next to them.

    74. Re:Bill DID say he was leaving microsoft... by 14CharUsername · · Score: 1
      Unfortunately, not being a sociopathic sadist, Gates is at real disadvantage.

      I don't know... you'd have to be pretty sadistic to unleash windows on to the world.

    75. Re:Bill DID say he was leaving microsoft... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You realize that you can't donate your entire net worth, right? It's a rather fictional account of how rich someone is. You liquidate all your assets, you won't get the complete value of your net worth. Also, certain intangible assets are taken into account, in some forms of the calculation. Those, you can't sell.

      As for him not donating to charity, it was a bad idea not to given his super-rich position, but there are many people who don't even after people tell them they should be donating. How many here do donate to charity? Take Gates' donation as a % of his annual income, and do you donate that same amount now?

      I'm just making the point that it's not all black and white.

    76. Re:Bill DID say he was leaving microsoft... by gfreeman · · Score: 1

      Honestly, what qualifies a newspaper cartoonist to advocate the political candidacy ...

      You need qualifications to do that in the US?

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    77. Re:Bill DID say he was leaving microsoft... by saforrest · · Score: 1

      Who is von Gravenreuth? My German isn't so good, but as far as I can tell from his bio page on the German wikipedia he seems to be some sort of anti-open-source provocateur. Am I way off?

    78. Re:Bill DID say he was leaving microsoft... by IsoRashi · · Score: 1

      I'd rather vote for Jack Thomps... wait, what the fuck am I saying?!! *shoots self*

      too many videogames, imo.

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    79. Re:Bill DID say he was leaving microsoft... by joshsnow · · Score: 1

      I'd rather vote for Maggie von Thatcher-ofen.

    80. Re:Bill DID say he was leaving microsoft... by LithiumX · · Score: 1

      Ok, it's day 2 and I'm still trying to figure out which word you're saying I horribly mispelled. :)

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    81. Re:Bill DID say he was leaving microsoft... by Alsee · · Score: 1

      Autistic?

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    82. Re:Bill DID say he was leaving microsoft... by joshsnow · · Score: 1

      I hope he doesn't leave microsoft - especially not for US President.He has a bit of a wet fish personality - he's a bit too much of a geek for me to support. Ballmer, on the other hand, would be great. Imagine the pre election debates - Ballmer dances in shouting, "Developers, America, Developers, America". Then when his opponent (Hilary) makes a point that he doesn't like, he just throws a chair at her...

    83. Re:Bill DID say he was leaving microsoft... by pjp6259 · · Score: 1

      I'd rather vote for Rommel, That magnificent bastard.

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    84. Re:Bill DID say he was leaving microsoft... by businessnerd · · Score: 1

      Now you've got yourself a stew goin'



      Anyone else want "Arrested Development" back?

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    85. Re:Bill DID say he was leaving microsoft... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Another victim of successful PR by Gates. The reality is far different. If you'll recall, Gates was roundly chided by his billionaire buddies for having made NO substantive contributions to charitable causes prior to 2000. In fact, it was the subject of a WSJ article and also multi-page articles in Time and Newsweek, discussing his stingy nature.

      You praise Warren Buffett later in your post. Buffett is 15 years older than Gates, and had done much less than Gates has done when he was the same age. What about applying the same standards to everyone? Or is your personal biases and hatred getting in the way?

      The simple fact of the matter is that the man is not a philanthropist and has only acted as one to silence public criticism.

      Listen to yourself. Not only is Gates devoting himself almost full-time to his philanthropic activities, but has even announced that he will step down from MS entirely to devote himself entirely to the foundation. Does that sound like a man who only does it to get good PR to you? You're pathetic. Why can't you simply accept that while MS' business practices may leave much to desire, Bill Gates is making a real difference to the world with his foundation.

      Furthermore, his "contributions" are not particularly noteworthy when considered as a percentage of his net worth. The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation was started with an endowment of less than $4 billion, primarily in the form of a stock transfer from Bill Gates (which nicely offset the HUGE capital gains he'd made in 1999-2000 as MSFT split twice in that time period.) As a percentage of his net worth, it amounted to less than 10%.

      Yeah, put "contributions" within scare quotes, why don't you? As if what he has done to fight malaria, for example, is just a deft PR move, with no real positive consequences. Tell that to the people who are currently dying of it.

      And as for "only" 10% -- do you realize how much money that is? It's difficult enough to manage the logistics of giving millions to charities. Gates does a lot of work actually following up on where his money goes, and what good it does. If he finds out that the money is not working towards a good end, he pulls the plug. He'll probably eventually give a lot more of his money towards charitable ends, but there's no sense in giving it all away at once. It doesn't make logistic sense and doesn't make economic sense. The only reason to do it would be if you gave it to someone you could trust would manage it in a competent manner for you, like Buffett did. I'll get to that.

      How much do you give to charity, by the way?

      Warren Buffet[sic.], on the other hand, has set in motion the donation of 100% of his personal fortune to charity.

      Oh, sweet, sweet irony. Guess what he's donating it too? The motherfucking Bill and Melinda Gates foundation. If that's not an endorsement of Bill Gates philanthropic ventures I don't know what is.

      It's people like you I envision when I read the PennyArcade comics with sad 35-years old dorks who curse "Bill Gates of Borg, from my mother's basement I stab at thee!". You can't even consider the possibility that you may be biased, and that your judgment on this issue is clouded. It's sad, really.

    86. Re:Bill DID say he was leaving microsoft... by kchrist · · Score: 1

      The Desert Fox! Now there's a man who could get things done!

    87. Re:Bill DID say he was leaving microsoft... by that+this+is+not+und · · Score: 1

      He single-handedly wrote the text editor in my TRS-80 Model 100. In 8085 Assembly Language.

      Steve Jobs was a 'rich kid in the right place.' He has never written ANY software whatsoever. He knows how to rip off other people, though. Look into the early days of Apple and how he screwed Woz.

    88. Re:Bill DID say he was leaving microsoft... by Moofie · · Score: 1

      What went on between Jobs and Woz is between Jobs and Woz. While I'd never say that Jobs is any kind of technical genius, he has an eye for good design, and the will to execute it. Apple's performance over his tenure speaks for itself.

      What has Microsoft done, other than rest on their laurels and destroy promising competitors?

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    89. Re:Bill DID say he was leaving microsoft... by that+this+is+not+und · · Score: 1

      No, 'what went on between Jobs and Woz' is just an example that illustrates that Jobs is a conniving user and manipulator of other people who have actual technical skills. Why are you trying to 'partition' it off away from this discussion.

      Any random idiot can hire in a team of people 'with an eye for good design' and start up a fashion outfit. As with technical people in general, Jobs _uses_ that sort of people to keep his operation spinning.

      As to what Microsoft has done: I am not an apologist for the many aggressive acts by the Microsoft monolith, but are you out of your f-ing mind? You're claiming they have done nothing??

    90. Re:Bill DID say he was leaving microsoft... by Moofie · · Score: 1

      a) I don't know why you introduced Jobs to the discussion. You seem to have an axe to grind.

      b) Design is not fashion. Design is human interface engineering. It is very difficult to get right. Microsoft has never even bothered themselves to try.

      c) I think Microsoft has never innovated anything, ever. I think Gates is a backstabbing cheat, and I think he'd fit right in with the a lot of the Presidents, and do an equally dismal job, therefore I hope he doesn't get said job.

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  2. Imagine if ... by Salvance · · Score: 5, Funny

    Geez ... if people thought Dick Cheney was cold and ruthless, wait until they have Bill Gates in charge. Plus, imagine some of the innovations we'd see:

    Pres Gates Day 1: The U.S. needs to become the most innovative country in the world, so I have decided in interest of attaining this goal we will rebuild Washington D.C. ... the new city will be named Capitol 2.0
    Pres Gates Day 365: The Capital 2.0 is running ahead of schedule, I know it's been tough living and working out of trailers, but we should be finished within a year
    Pres Gates Day 700: Due to the new competition from Tokyo's rebuilding operations, we have decided to restart our Capitol 2.0 project, but the delay will be worth it since our new Capitol will be even better than the original one planned
    Pres Gates Day 1000: We have found that the Capitol 2.0 subway system was incompatible with the Capitol 2.0 sewage system, so we will rebuild DC's old subway system and try to make it work within the Capitol 2.0 structure
    Pres Gates on his last day: On my final day in office, I am proud to unveil Capitol 2.0 ... at first you may think it looks just like DC, but we actually repainted all the buildings, and added innovative new parking meters that destroy your car if you try to park in same parking spot more than 3 times.

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    1. Re:Imagine if ... by grumpyman · · Score: 1
      Pres Gates Day 1000: We have found that the Capitol 2.0 subway system was incompatible with the Capitol 2.0 sewage system, so we will rebuild DC's old subway system and try to make it work within the Capitol 2.0 structure


      At the end, Prez Gates actually builds the subway system INSIDE the sewage system.

    2. Re:Imagine if ... by Reverend528 · · Score: 4, Funny
      if people thought Dick Cheney was cold and ruthless, wait until they have Bill Gates in charge.

      Everyone will forget Cheney once vice president Ballmer is in office. He breaks tie votes in the senate... with a chair!

    3. Re:Imagine if ... by binarybum · · Score: 1

      excellent! except I'm not sure there would ever be a final day in office - sure you could vote him out but none of his policies would be compatible with any other president and we'd have to spend decades reverse engineering the closed source changes made to programs like healthcare 2.0 and education SE. Everyone would recognize that there were better candidates out there, but would it really be worth all the hassle of switching?

        all of that being said, I'd vote for him if Jobs was his VP - it's all about checks and balances.

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    4. Re:Imagine if ... by justsomebody · · Score: 1

      Well, patching the old system takes time:)

      And if this means MS way of patching (they never solve problems, they mostly disable them)? "Look at number of unemployed? Patch will disable and eradicate them! Homeless? Another patch! etc."

      btw. I think this new kind of patching should be called "genocide method":)

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    5. Re:Imagine if ... by Matt_R · · Score: 1

      Democrats! Democrats! Democrats!

    6. Re:Imagine if ... by Elemenope · · Score: 1

      Attica! Attica! Attica!

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    7. Re:Imagine if ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Best post ever by a seven digit user.

  3. A philanthropist President by traindirector · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I personally welcome our new DOS-stealing philanthopist overlord.

    But on a serious note, it might be nice to have a president who has become more philanthropist than tycoon and who is notable because of his business and humanitarian accomplishments, not because of a life of playing to political interests. He already has extensive experience with large organizations. Might be more interested in following his own vision than listening to what the people want, though, although that seems to be the case with most great leaders...

    1. Re:A philanthropist President by EXMSFT · · Score: 1

      DOS wasn't stolen.

    2. Re:A philanthropist President by Conspiracy_Of_Doves · · Score: 2, Informative

      I personally welcome our new DOS-stealing philanthopist overlord.

      Now, now. He didn't steal it. He bought it legitimately.

    3. Re:A philanthropist President by cnettel · · Score: 1

      You can't sell CP/M if you don't own it. *mutter*Gary Kildall*mutter*unexplainable dollar sign*mutter*

    4. Re:A philanthropist President by LordOfTheNoobs · · Score: 1

      Shenanigans! Of course you can sell things you don't yet own or don't have on hand. Many businesses do. Hell, they have whole markets to do this. They make a sale to you, order the product from the manufacturer or other suppliers, apply the marked up price, and send it to you with a bow.

      If they can't get it, they have to refund your money due to failure to provide the agreed upon service, sometimes with penalties added into the refunded amount.

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    5. Re:A philanthropist President by cnettel · · Score: 1

      My point was the somewhat muddy origin of exactly how closely (some parts of) CP/M was copied into MS-DOS, née QDOS. There's some quote attributed to Kildall during the mid-80s where he claimed that there were certain pecularities in the code, that he bet no person at MS could explain, pecularities that "shouldn't" have been there in a clean reversee engineering process.

  4. BSoD by Dutchmaan · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Blue State of Death" ?

    1. Re:BSoD by viniosity · · Score: 1

      DC isn't considered a state. So we have limited voting rights.

      It's why our license plates say "Taxation Without Representation".

    2. Re:BSoD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      a part of the country that voted MULTIPLE TIMES for a KNOWN crackhead?

      Fuck your voting rights.

    3. Re:BSoD by Profane+MuthaFucka · · Score: 2, Funny

      While crack technically counts as cocaine, President GW Bush is better known for his troubles with ethanol.

      Oh wait, you mean Marion Barry.

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    4. Re:BSoD by zippthorne · · Score: 2, Interesting

      So.. um.. go live in Virginia or Maryland. No part of DC is more than 5 miles from a place with voting rights. No one was supposed to live there year-round anyway.* It's a freakin' swamp.

      *except the president. Though it's probably supposed to be some kind of ordeal that's supposed to have a humbling effect...

      I mean, you can walk to either of those two states from anywhere in DC in less time than it takes to commute to Manhattan from long island.

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    5. Re:BSoD by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Everything in DC outside of the actual Federal Buildings should rightly go back to Maryland (just like Alexandria and Arlington went back to Virginia around 1840). Of course, even Maryland is too smart to agree to that.

      Sorry.

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    6. Re:BSoD by viniosity · · Score: 1

      Thanks.. I love the idea of contributing to suburban sprawl. 6 million people in the Greater Washington Metropolitan Area and less than 10% live in the District. You really want me contributing to the traffic? Plus, I have no desire to be condemned to driving everywhere and shopping at chains. If you look forward a few steps into what you're implying you'll see just how unsustainable a suggestion you are making.

    7. Re:BSoD by moosesocks · · Score: 1

      I mean, you can walk to either of those two states from anywhere in DC in less time than it takes to commute to Manhattan from long island.


      You can also walk to either of the two state from anywhere in DC in less time than it takes to drive. If you've ever had the "humbling" experience of driving on the beltway, you know exactly what I'm talking about.

      DC was never really meant to become a bustling metropolis, and you can tell that there is still quite a bit of resistance to that fact, as indicated by the architects of I-95 completely ignoring the effects of routing a major road through such a large city.

      Give DC back to Virginia or Maryland (or better yet, just make a brand-new state for northern virginia + DC --- Northern VA is nothing like the rest of the state.) While we're at it, we might as well give NYC, Long Island, and Philadelphia to New Jersey for the same reason.....
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    8. Re:BSoD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just because Marion Barry smoked crack doesn't make him a crackhead. All he wanted was to have sex with the ho.... unfortunately, the bitch set him up.

      Really, is that so wrong?

  5. new os out the door? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    there isn't anything wrong with this country that President Bill Gates couldn't cure in less time than it takes to get a new operating system out the door.

    Whoa, then we better get his re-election campaign started right away too!

    1. Re:new os out the door? by justsomebody · · Score: 1

      You're not far from the truth if you say re-re-election.

      Bush was the MS funded lapdog, so this would mean status quo. President would change, originator wouldn't.

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    2. Re:new os out the door? by empaler · · Score: 1

      Bush was the MS funded lapdog, so this would mean status quo. President would change, originator wouldn't....
      Seriously, that's just dumb. The Mad King has a whole host of masters; Microsoft is but a piece in the puzzle of his dependencies.
      Hell, even buying a Marabou bar indirectly supports Bush/GOP, and why should Kraft Foods/Unilever support someone who didn't do as they wanted?

  6. shock! by joe+155 · · Score: 4, Funny

    "there isn't anything wrong with this country that President Bill Gates couldn't cure in less time than it takes to get a new operating system out the door"

    Have things really got that bad?

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    1. Re:shock! by Shiny+One · · Score: 1

      I'm just wondering how long that actually is.. The rate they're pushing OS releases back maybe we would be better with the current bureaucracy.

  7. Remember by s20451 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Steve Forbes for president? Or Ross Perot? Look how far those two smart, rich, successful businessmen went.

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    1. Re:Remember by Coryoth · · Score: 1
      Steve Forbes for president? Or Ross Perot? Look how far those two smart, rich, successful businessmen went.

      A surprisingly long way for any third party candidate - just compare their performance to say Nader for the Greens, or any Libertarian candidate in history. Which really just goes to show that what you really need to get elected is a shitload of money and a willingness to spend it to get yourself elected. The two main parties, of course, represent the biggest slush funds of "cash to be wasted on election bullshit".
    2. Re:Remember by Kainaw · · Score: 1

      Steve Forbes for president? Or Ross Perot? Look how far those two smart, rich, successful businessmen went.

      Sure - but they looked like geeks... oh, right. We're talking Bill, aren't we.

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    3. Re:Remember by DeepHurtn! · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yes, as George W. Bush has clearly demonstrated, the key to success in politics is to be an unsuccessful yet still rich businessman.

    4. Re:Remember by twistedsymphony · · Score: 1

      Forbes was a good candidate but he was seriously lacking personality (and approachable looks) which seems to be important to voters and he did decent despite that, and while he had name recognition he didn't have the amount of name recognition that some of the other candidates did, particularly among the low to middle class voters. Perot could have actually made it into office but he got really flaky toward the end backing out then changing his mind, and that lost a lot of the confidence his supporters had.

      I think Billy G. could do it, he's got the name recognition, he's much better looking and personable then Forbes was, and he's a whole lot less unwavering then Perot.

    5. Re:Remember by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Funny
      I think Billy G. could do it, he's got the name recognition, he's much better looking and personable then Forbes was

      yes, but Forbes apparently a) owns a mirror and b) has stopped let his mother pick out his clothes for him.

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    6. Re:Remember by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    7. Re:Remember by purplelocust · · Score: 1

      Actually, Michael Bloomberg (billionaire from Bloomberg News etc.) is currently mayor of NYC and doing an excellent job in a number of ways. He would be far more suitable for president than Gates- what he lacks in name recognition he makes up for in actual political leadership, effective change in a place where change does not come easily, and not being found an anti-competetive monopolist.

    8. Re:Remember by soft_guy · · Score: 4, Informative

      Forbes wasn't third party - he ran as a republican.

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    9. Re:Remember by HolyCrapSCOsux · · Score: 1

      Shouldn't a country be anti-competitive relative to other countries?

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    10. Re:Remember by pestilence669 · · Score: 1

      Bush and Bush's son (not so smart) had great success running for office.

      We could really use a *good* business man in office. Understanding things like budget, profit, economics, are kind of important. I actually think Bill and his wife would do a decent job. It's not like he needs any more money and that makes him hard to bribe.

    11. Re:Remember by internic · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Actually, if you recall Perot was doing quite well in the polls (even leading at one point) up until the point where he effecitively dropped out of the race (later to return) and thereby shot himself in the foot. His problem wasn't being smart, rich, and successful but rather that his on again, off again candidacy and claims of "republican dirty tricks" made him seem crazy.

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    12. Re:Remember by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about The Donald, Donald Trump? He has even more name recognition than Bill Gates, I'd expect, especially among older voters that might not know who Bill Gates is, and he's even been looking for people to help shoulder the responsibilities for his companies, possibly giving him enough leeway to take time off to serve as President. Besides, imagine the reality show possibilities: instead of "You're fired", it would be "You're impeached!" on "The Vice-President".

    13. Re:Remember by bendodge · · Score: 0

      Perot got more votes then any other 3rd part canidate has since Teddy.
      I would probably vote for Gates, as I think he could and would clean up the finance mess.

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    14. Re:Remember by drooling-dog · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If I were going to vote for a Super Rich Guy President, Warren Buffett might deserve a look. I've seen/read a few interviews, and was fairly impressed.

      A point he made once that was worth remembering (paraphrasing a bit)...

      Imagine that you're still unborn, in the womb, and are given the opportunity to choose the kind of world in which you'll be living after you're born. The only catch is that you can't know the circumstances of your birth - rich/poor, black/white, European/Somalian, healthy/sick, etc. Now, what kind of world do you choose when you have no idea where you'll fit into it? Buffett said that's the world you should be striving for.

    15. Re:Remember by traveller604 · · Score: 0

      Are you implying that Gates is unsuccessful? He's only like the richest man on the planet..

    16. Re:Remember by operagost · · Score: 1

      His degrees from Yale and Harvard and experience as a military officer and pilot may have helped as well.

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    17. Re:Remember by Shralper · · Score: 1

      As I remember, Bush made millions from the sale of the Texas Rangers after managing it several years. I wouldn't exactly call that unsuccessful.

    18. Re:Remember by Evets · · Score: 1

      My favorite part of his campaign was on election night.

      "If you elect Bill Clinton, we'll all be plucking chickens for a living!" - with a picture of a chicken to go with it.

    19. Re:Remember by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But they were both crappy candidates.

      - Ross Perot was nuts. He had some good ideas... and I love charts... but the guy was nuts.
      - Steve Forbes basic tax reform idea was, as my Reagan conservative brother who's master's dissertation was on the flat tax put it, fuck the middle class.

      Not that I'm excited about Gates, but at least the guy isn't nuts and has a humanitarian side.

    20. Re:Remember by antiaktiv · · Score: 1

      Someone once told me in his ideal government, the politicians would get ridiculously high salaries, to combat corruption. Sort of makes sense to me. And if you got Gates, you wouldn't even have to do that!

    21. Re:Remember by Surt · · Score: 4, Funny

      Indeed, when I look at our president, I remember not to hire from those Universities.

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    22. Re:Remember by Danse · · Score: 2, Interesting
      As I remember, Bush made millions from the sale of the Texas Rangers after managing it several years. I wouldn't exactly call that unsuccessful.

      Bush was never really unsuccessful in business. Some of the companies he headed failed, but he always made out like a bandit. Of course with his father in the President's seat, and all his family ties in Washington, no SEC investigation ever got very far. He repeatedly sold shares of the companies he was heading before they released bad financial news to the public, without notifying the SEC. Same thing that Martha Stewart was in trouble for. Hard to prove under the best of circumstances, but even harder if you're investigating a Bush.
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    23. Re:Remember by woobieman29 · · Score: 1

      Then again, the only real reason that the man was considered for the position was the fact that his last name is Bush. Luckiest member of the luckiest family in America.

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    24. Re:Remember by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      experience as a military officer and pilot

      He couldn't even be bothered finishing his flight training because he was too busy snorting coke and drinking. Great preparation for his current role.

    25. Re:Remember by Pendersempai · · Score: 3, Insightful

      http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/original-positio n/

      Buffett didn't come up with that. John Rawls did.

    26. Re:Remember by clacke · · Score: 2, Informative

      This is the "veil of ignorance", a thought experiment explored by philosopher John Rawls. What he ends up with has been described as something similar to social democracy. I'm not sure that idea would fly with the American voters...

    27. Re:Remember by theodicey · · Score: 1

      Malcolm "Steve" Forbes Jr. inherited his business and his wealth from his dad Malcolm Forbes. Even the "Capitalist Tool" slogan was his dad's.
      Like W Bush, he had a 'successful' birth, didn't do much after that.

    28. Re:Remember by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Imagine that you're still unborn, in the womb, and are given the opportunity to choose the kind of world in which you'll be living after you're born. The only catch is that you can't know the circumstances of your birth - rich/poor, black/white, European/Somalian, healthy/sick, etc. Now, what kind of world do you choose when you have no idea where you'll fit into it? Buffett said that's the world you should be striving for."

      That's taken out of almost every ethics philosophy class ever. Read John Rawls, don't attribute that to Warren Buffett (who does seem to be a good guy regardless, but not a philosopher-king).

    29. Re:Remember by exp(pi*sqrt(163)) · · Score: 1

      Yeah, there's nothing like having people whose earnings are more than those of 99.9999% of the population making decisions for the other 99.9999% who earn less. But of course, we're talking about America, where political merit is measured in dollars.

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    30. Re:Remember by drooling-dog · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Read John Rawls, don't attribute that to Warren Buffett (who does seem to be a good guy regardless, but not a philosopher-king).

      The fact that he knows and repeated it is enough for me; I wouldn't expect a Super Rich Presidential Candidate to have originated all of his ideas. We're talking about politics here, not academics.

    31. Re:Remember by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      Imagine that you're still unborn, in the womb, and are given the opportunity to choose the kind of world in which you'll be living after you're born. The only catch is that you can't know the circumstances of your birth - rich/poor, black/white, European/Somalian, healthy/sick, etc. Now, what kind of world do you choose when you have no idea where you'll fit into it? Buffett said that's the world you should be striving for.


      this isn't warren buffett's idea. it is best credited to philosopher john rawls.

    32. Re:Remember by CAIMLAS · · Score: 1

      I would want to live in the world where I can change my destiny, with as little meddling from those around me as possible. It's more likely you'll end up at the bottom or even lower-middle than above that, given distributions.

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    33. Re:Remember by lindlec · · Score: 1

      Warren Buffett isn't *that* rich, he donated most of his wealth to the Gates Foundation.

      http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/5115920.stm/

  8. Expect a ban on open source.. by QuantumG · · Score: 3, Insightful

    at least open source paid for by governments.

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    1. Re:Expect a ban on open source.. by McFortner · · Score: 5, Funny
      I have seen the future....

      President Gates was quoted as saying regarding the MicroSoft investigation, "Justice Department investigation? What Justice Department investigation?" MicroSoft stock prices climbed 200 points today when Wall Street heard the news.

      In related news, Steve Job's execution as a Enemy of the State is scheduled to go on as planned at 9pm EST. Live, pay-per-view coverage can be found on MSNBC.com.

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    2. Re:Expect a ban on open source.. by nonsequitor · · Score: 1

      Last I checked the president doesn't get to introduce legislation. Maybe he could make a War Time Executive Order since the enemy could compromise the security of the nation by implanting back doors in open source software.

    3. Re:Expect a ban on open source.. by KingArthur10 · · Score: 1

      Presidents often introduce legislation. They introduce it to Congress which argues it for a while, and if it makes it out of Congress, he has the pleasure of executing it. Yes, I paid a little attention to high school American Government (and the world around).

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    4. Re:Expect a ban on open source.. by Threni · · Score: 1

      > at least open source paid for by governments.

      How many governments is he planning to head?

      Adams should stick to this new strategy - certainly it's funnier than any of his third rate Dilbert strips.

    5. Re:Expect a ban on open source.. by Bongo+Bill · · Score: 1

      Why? As President, how would he stand to gain from that?

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    6. Re:Expect a ban on open source.. by thepotoo · · Score: 1
      I'd take it.

      If the worst that happens is we support a monopoly, its still a shitload better than torturing people.

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    7. Re:Expect a ban on open source.. by GWBasic · · Score: 1

      Ooops, I noticed a typo. You put "Steve Jobs" where "Linus Torvolds" should go.

  9. Worst idea I've ever heard. by MrAnnoyanceToYou · · Score: 2, Informative

    Maybe twenty years ago. Now I'm more behind Craig Newmark for president. If our government ran a fifth as efficient as his website does, I'd be ten times as happy as I am now with it.

    1. Re:Worst idea I've ever heard. by gurps_npc · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Government is SUPPOSED to be inefficient.

      If you let it be too efficient, then they do things like round up all the gays, communists, jews, and anyone else they dislike and throw them in jail.

      One of the major reasons the US is so sucessfull is that it created multiple layers of bureaucracy (Senate, House, Executive Branch, Legal system, State governments, etc.) instead of making one thing that just works well.

      Fast governments do things without thinking, ignoring the wisdom of "hey, maybe we ought to stop and think about it before we make abortion illegal", and just go ahead and passes laws that people think they want when they are scared and terrified, instead of thinking long and hard about the long term consequences of it.

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    2. Re:Worst idea I've ever heard. by MrAnnoyanceToYou · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Um.....

      No.

      Good government is reasonable and thinks and debates until it's time to do something, then goes out and does it. "Inefficiency" and "Debate" are two completely different things, and equating them is like equating "debating the war in Iraq" with "not supporting our troops..." They are two completely different things that look somewhat alike to the unaware observer. I guess the real problem with our government is the people it has come to represent. Let me put it this way:

      The seventh most visited site in the US is run by less than 50 people.

      If that isn't a small number of people doing something beneficial for an extremely large number, I don't know what is. That's what I want out of government - run the water, run the electricity, run the courts system so it's fair, provide a social safety net, create an armed force that can defend our interests at home as effectively as necessary as cheaply as possible, push the economy to a high rate of growth, etc. And do it with as small a portion of the population and the population's resources as possible. The way our government is run now is completely purpose-less and the majority of it is done out of either sheer habit or the self-interest of politicians.

    3. Re:Worst idea I've ever heard. by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Government is SUPPOSED to be inefficient. If you let it be too efficient, then they do things like round up all the gays, communists, jews, and anyone else they dislike and throw them in jail. One of the major reasons the US is so sucessfull is that it created multiple layers of bureaucracy (Senate, House, Executive Branch, Legal system, State governments, etc.) instead of making one thing that just works well. Fast governments do things without thinking

      Fast != Efficient

      A machine that shreds your paper in one second but requires two passes is faster but less efficient than a machine that shreds your paper in two seconds but only requires one pass.

      It would be nice to see a government that does things slowly but still does it without graft and undue waste.

      It would also be nice to see a chorus line of my favorite porn stars lining up to serve me for the remainder of my lifetime, and about equally likely...

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    4. Re:Worst idea I've ever heard. by truthsearch · · Score: 1

      And on top of that we have political parties that try to bypass the inefficiencies to meet their own agendas. Imagine if every representative was independant of any organization. There would be real individual debates and discussion. Even if just the President was not affiliated with any party controlling Congress we'd be better off.

      The only way Bill Gates would be highly efficient is if his party controlled both houses of Congress. And look at how well things went the last time that happened. No one person should have enough power to bypass the divided responsibilities of our parts of government.

      I am all for government inefficiency.

    5. Re:Worst idea I've ever heard. by Lord+Ender · · Score: 4, Insightful
      inefficient

      You keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means.

      An economically-efficient government could provide the same social services while charging less tax.

      I think an ideal government would be slow to change laws and efficient with spending.
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    6. Re:Worst idea I've ever heard. by QuantumG · · Score: 0, Troll

      Well shit, I want a pony, and I want it to eat only sugar cubes and sleep in the garage when I'm not riding it and not take up too much space. But that's not how ponies are. Don't cry for the moon.

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    7. Re:Worst idea I've ever heard. by compro01 · · Score: 1

      a government should be inefficient in the proper manner.

      it's a matter of efficiency at each level, i.e. inefficient at the high level and efficient at the low level.

      the government should be efficient at the level at which people are using government services (low-level), but it should be inefficient in the realm of legislative proceedings (high level).

      currently, it seems that is in reverse.

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    8. Re:Worst idea I've ever heard. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Government is SUPPOSED to be inefficient.
      In that case, maybe joining the European Union, wasn't such a bad idea :)
    9. Re:Worst idea I've ever heard. by MrAnnoyanceToYou · · Score: 1

      What do you want out of your government? A giant spending machine that regularly screws over its entire populace at the expense of extremely small minorities, to the point where noone benefits? This is supposedly a democracy, and given effective leadership government should benefit all involved as much as possible with the least cost possible. I feel that this would be a result of efficiency and open dealings rather than what I have seen recently. If you think differently you're welcome to vote too.

      I just wish you wouldn't spew such negative crud to relate to your fellow citizens. It means the ones that have something to lose and a bit of a conscience refuse to stand up and do what they think is right.

    10. Re:Worst idea I've ever heard. by bunions · · Score: 2, Insightful

      > Government is SUPPOSED to be inefficient.

      >If you let it be too efficient, then they do things like round up all the gays, communists, jews, and anyone else they dislike and throw them in jail.

      this is about the dumbest thing I've read in some time. You're confusing a system of checks and balances with ineffiency.

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    11. Re:Worst idea I've ever heard. by zen-theorist · · Score: 1
      Government is SUPPOSED to be inefficient. If you let it be too efficient, then they do things like round up all the gays, communists, jews, and anyone else they dislike and throw them in jail.
      Big leap in logic. In the words of President Reagan, government is supposed to be as small as possible. Build roads and schools efficiently and economically - that is their job. Regulation of people to dislike with a heavy emphasis on social mores was never what government is intended to do. The US government (all parties included) need to pull their head out of their butt, and come to an agreement on what the nation needs now, and I assure you it's not a final decision on abortions that we need.
    12. Re:Worst idea I've ever heard. by Broken+scope · · Score: 1

      The problem is though a government doesn't always debate things. Even with layers it still does stupid stuff. When it is easier to do stuff more of the stupid stuff happens. Since you cannot always guarentee that elected officials are not stupid, you have to make it harder for the stupid ones to screw things up.

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    13. Re:Worst idea I've ever heard. by MrAnnoyanceToYou · · Score: 1

      Over the last fifty years the incredible level of inefficiency has increasingly been a big part of the reason for the lack of debate. A big part of the reason American government seems so immutable is because it's close to impossible for people to get anything done once they are in the system. Beyond, of course, business as usual with extremely minor modifications.

    14. Re:Worst idea I've ever heard. by winomonkey · · Score: 1

      Would Gates round up all of the jocks, cheerleaders, and hipster-Apple-users in this sweep of efficiency?

    15. Re:Worst idea I've ever heard. by foobsr · · Score: 1

      This is supposedly a democracy

      Read the fine print: "Unlike a pure democracy, in a constitutional republic, citizens are not governed by the majority of the people but by the rule of law. ... The United States of America is the oldest constitutional republic in the world ... ". So, if you are a real PATRIOT and secretely pass enough ...

      CC.

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    16. Re:Worst idea I've ever heard. by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Totally wrong.

      Government should be efficient in providing the services it's obligated to. Passing new laws too quickly has nothing to do with taking the minimum taxes necessary and using it to provide infrastructure, services, defense, and all the other services the government normally provides. In fact, that's why the government has many divisions, with different tasks: the Legislative to make new laws, the Judicial to interpret laws, and finally the Executive to execute laws. This last one, ideally, should be as brutally efficient as possible. I don't want the military buying $30,000 toilet seats (yes, I know that was supposedly black-ops program funding), the IRS spending hundreds of thousands of dollars to go after someone who didn't properly file taxes so he could make off with $50, or any other such wastes of my taxpayer money.

      What you're proposing is a government that's so inefficient that it can't even enforce its own laws, which is obviously ridiculous. Laws should be carefully deliberated and debated, yes, but once they're passed they should be implemented with the utmost speed and efficiency.

    17. Re:Worst idea I've ever heard. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not really,

      Your right of course but your also wrong. Ha ha listen to the stupid AC:)

      It would be better to debate things in a rational manner and quickly come up with a good idea and implement it. The thing is that people don't do that. Heck when it comes to government even one greedy bastard could wreck the system.

      The founding father invented the system of checks and balances to force debate and rationalization. Your right comparing inefficiency and debate are two different things but one forces the other.

      Just think about it. Then again this is what I always argue with my friend about he seems to think that all people act in a rational altruistic manner so a nice efficient system would work. I think some people do but a lot of people stab each other in the back and generally fuck over their fellow man if they have half the chance.

      Oh and religion has NOTHING to do with morals.

    18. Re:Worst idea I've ever heard. by evilbessie · · Score: 1

      The US "created" multiple layers in government? What are you speaking about, only 4 governments using the American style have lasted longer than 30 years, whilst we in England have the longest stable government in modern times, with 2 separate bodies (commons and lords) both made up of differing parties and ideas. They both debate issues offering many different views. With the Queen as titular head of state. Don't go exporting your "Americans are the greatest" non-sense here, We in Europe have had stable governments since BEFORE you were even a country of your own.

    19. Re:Worst idea I've ever heard. by Kismet · · Score: 2, Insightful

      America didn't even use the American style for more than a century. In reality, it probably only lasted until the Civil War.

      The original American system was a huge success, allowing all kinds of different people to create their own communities where they were free to hate each other all they wanted to. Most of the time they were able to settle their differences all by themselves, without any sort of Federal interference. And where they could never find the middle ground, they got over it. It was OK, in those days, for people to have their own bigoted opinions of each other. The laws of the land were based on natural, rights which were understood to NOT be granted by the government or even by the common consent of the people.

      Unfortunately, rich men needed us all to be very predictable. There is no way to support a mass-production economy unless artificial needs can be instilled in everyone. How can that be done unless the population is secularized with economic dogmas, political correctness, and layers of bureaucracy?

      Americans have lived in an artificial humanity for so long, we don't even know what natural rights feel like any more. Our 18th century impartial observers of humanity would be horrified to know what we think our "rights" are today.

      James Otis knew that America's torch had been lit on the flames of Great Britain. John Locke was English. Adam Smith was Scottish. Their ideas, among others, fueled the American revolution.

      Make no mistake - we still have our Tories. Ever since the revolution, they've been begging to get back into the good ol' boys club (a.k.a class system) that we left when we turned our back on the old Empire. We're nearly there.

    20. Re:Worst idea I've ever heard. by theodicey · · Score: 1
      You're right that "Separation of Powers" is a designed inefficiency in government.

      But within each branch (except the judiciary, which is almost ridiculously lean -- workloads are astronomical) there's plenty of fat. During the Clinton years, Al Gore's "reinventing government" initiative cut the federal payroll by 330,000 positions (15.4%). Of course, Bush bulked it up again.

    21. Re:Worst idea I've ever heard. by StikyPad · · Score: 1

      Let's see here.. *does some rearranging*

      The original American system was a huge success. It probably only lasted until the Civil War.

      Yeah, nothing says "Success!" like Civil War.

    22. Re:Worst idea I've ever heard. by Ant+P. · · Score: 1
      Fast governments do things without thinking, ignoring the wisdom of "hey, maybe we ought to stop and think about it before we make abortion illegal", and just go ahead and passes laws that people think they want when they are scared and terrified, instead of thinking long and hard about the long term consequences of it.
      OK... so no different than what the current government's done.
  10. Is it April Fools Day already? by PingXao · · Score: 4, Insightful

    My calendar is about to say December 1, not April 1. This is really dumb. I don't bash Bill Gates a lot. I admire him in some ways. But come on, who wants a president whose company has been conviceted of being an illegal monopoly, that has been found gulty of being a predator, that has stifled innovation while claiming the opposite, that has run roughshod over consumer rights and then tried to weasel out of every penalty anyone ever tried to impose on it?

    Oh, wait... is he running as a Republican?

    1. Re:Is it April Fools Day already? by bladesjester · · Score: 2

      Don't forget the push that he and his company constantly make for things like removal of the cap on H1B's.

      There's no way that he'd get my vote.

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    2. Re:Is it April Fools Day already? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Monopolies are not illegal, so a business cannot be found to be an illegal monopoly. What Microsoft was found guilty of was using a monopoly position illegally to castrate competitors, and that decision was overturned because the judge was acting inappropriately and the case was later settled by the DoJ.

      Bill Gates wouldn't be any worse than any of the other candidates available. However you appear to be trolling the Republicans for whatever reason, perhaps because you have a small penis--I don't know and don't want to--so I guess discussing this topic seriously means I fail it.

    3. Re:Is it April Fools Day already? by colenski · · Score: 1
      Hmm, US presidents seem to have a bit of a spotty track record with ethical behavior:



      I could go on, Google is chock full of this stuff. But given the skulduggery engaged by past (and, I guess, current) administrations, would Gates be any worse by comparision?
    4. Re:Is it April Fools Day already? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And how would this be different than running the US government? The only difference is that there would be no larger entity to hold him down.

    5. Re:Is it April Fools Day already? by PurifyYourMind · · Score: 1

      Keep in mind that he did all that for *his* company. If he ran the U.S., then he'd be doing whatever he could to advance U.S. interests (theoretically), i.e. the interests of me and anyone else who lives there. In other words, it might be a *good* thing that he's ruthless. Certainly with the coming economic clashes with the EU and China we'll have, we may need it.

    6. Re:Is it April Fools Day already? by spiedrazer · · Score: 1
      Here Here!!!

      And No this isn't a troll towards republicans. The MAIN (of many) problems with GW is his emphasis on one and only one basic principal, which is: "Whatever is good for corporate America is good for ALL America no matter what the circumstances, be it the environment, individual rights, consumer rights, etc. etc. Bill G would be exactly the same, though his humanitarian side may help him be slightly more well rounded and he is probably a lot more able to analyse the consequences of his decisions.

      A successful president, however, needs more than one, or even two dimentions.

      Some might argue that GW was also 'religious' but only idiots believe that is anything but lip service to keep the conservative religious votes comming in.

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    7. Re:Is it April Fools Day already? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unethical? Sure, but look at what he did for Microsoft! On one hand there are people who screw everyone for their own good, like ENRON, on the other hand there are people like Bill GAtes who screw competitors for the good of their company.

      If he had to piss off a few other countries to make USA the best I would vote for him.

    8. Re:Is it April Fools Day already? by edwdig · · Score: 1

      Do you really want someone as intolerant of competition as Bill Gates in charge of in army?

    9. Re:Is it April Fools Day already? by PurifyYourMind · · Score: 2

      Well, A) he couldn't be too much worse than our current preemptive regime, and B) he doesn't strike me as a violent guy. Ruthless in business, yeah, but not violent.

  11. Top Ten Reasons Bill Gates Would Run for President by transporter_ii · · Score: 4, Funny

    1. He wants to buy an old Cesna, paintit flashy colors, and call it Air Force '95.
    2. He heard that some government agencies were using UNIX.
    3. He wants to get that illegal sports car in SF Bay into the US.
    4. He just thinks it would be neat to be president of two big thingies.
    5. He's hot for Janet Reno.
    6. His ego needs to be inflated.
    7. He lost the key to his mansion, so he needs a new place to live.
    8. He thinks that he can use MS Money to balance the budget.
    9. He feels that Perot just didn't throw enough money at it.
    10. He wants to make Windows '95 the official operating system of the USA.

    Ok, those look kind of dated...but still funny

    On the serious side, I wonder how many people with the power to see into the mysterious future, were tempted to e-mail the editor about a SERIOUS problem with this story!

    Transporter_ii

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  12. Wow... by jrobinson5 · · Score: 0

    Not even the world's richest man is immune to the Slashdot effect!

  13. he'd have to put all his stock in a blind trust... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can he give up voting rights on all his Microsoft stock?

    Even so, "conflict of interest" comes to mind for all decisions related to computing.

  14. First day on the Job by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Replace all the Mac computers with Windows

    1. Re:First day on the Job by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Funny

      So what does he do for the other 23 hours and 55 minutes?

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  15. RE: Get on the 'Gates for President' Bandwagon by maynard · · Score: 2, Insightful

    No.

  16. Qualifications? by BandwidthHog · · Score: 4, Funny

    I’ve been saying for years that we need to stop electing millionaires.

    Careful what ya wish for, I suppose.

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    1. Re:Qualifications? by curunir · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What we really need to do is stop electing old-money millionaires. New-money [m|b]illionaires often have proved their skills in attaining their wealth. Things like fiscal responsibility and ability to predict how the world will change as time passes are often key ingredients in people amassing a large fortune without receiving a large part of it from parents.

      While I'm about the biggest Microsoft critic there is here, would it really be so bad to have a president who:
      a) Understands how bad an unbalanced budget really is.
      b) Sees the value of research and development as a means of staying ahead of the competition.
      c) Has no need to be beholden to any campaign contributors (why would Gates even bother to waste his time raising money when the cost of a campaign is a tiny fraction of his net worth?)
      d) Understands that the internet isn't just a series of tubes.
      e) Actually consider the position of hardware manufacturers when content companies decide they need some incredibly short-sighted piece of legislation to retain their monopoly.
      f) Understands the problems inherant in the US patent situation and how it stifles innovation by both small companies / individuals as well as for large companies like Microsoft.

      It would seem that regardless of political affiliation, a Gates presidency would mean a positive difference in a number of the slashdot-discussed political issues.

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    2. Re:Qualifications? by dangitman · · Score: 0, Flamebait
      b) Sees the value of research and development as a means of staying ahead of the competition.

      f) Understands the problems inherant in the US patent situation and how it stifles innovation

      Huh? I thought we were talking about Microsoft and gates here.

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    3. Re:Qualifications? by geekoid · · Score: 1

      " He's an atheist who thinks Jesus is a fairy tale. "

      well there's a plus.

      "He created a monopoly company that charges hundreds of dollars a copy to each of hundreds of millions of people for something that costs nothing per copy."

      yet many millions to create.

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    4. Re:Qualifications? by BKX · · Score: 1

      Actually, Gates has generally been against software patents. Microsoft doesn't really benefit from the patents they hold since they've (almost) never bothered to enforce the few patents they have, and it's hard to get patents on shit when you're just dressing up copies of your competitor's work.

      But, Microsoft does have a lot to lose by others having software patents. One person with a patent that Microsoft has infringed and an ambulance-chaser could be bad news for a multi-billion dollar company.

    5. Re:Qualifications? by curunir · · Score: 1

      Microsoft spends $7 billion dollars annually on research and development and a large number, albeit much smaller than that, defending themselves against patent-related lawsuits (Eolas ring any bells?)

      While Gates may want software patents abolished so that his company, with vastly more resources than anyone else, can develop whatever they want and react to new software trends without fear of someone having patented the idea, the net result would be the same as what so many open-source fans have been clamoring for...doing away with (or at least significantly raising the bar for) software patents.

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    6. Re:Qualifications? by dtjohnson · · Score: 1

      " He's an atheist who thinks Jesus is a fairy tale. "

      well there's a plus.


      Unless, of course, his assumption is wrong, the Gospels are true, and the country needs God's help, in which case, we would be screwed.

    7. Re:Qualifications? by dangitman · · Score: 0, Flamebait
      Evidence? If Gates is so against them, then why doesn't he speak out against them vocally? Why doesn't he use his massive political lobbying power? Why doesn't he prevent Microsoft from using them?

      This is either a myth, or you've been tricked by Billy's PR-talk.

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    8. Re:Qualifications? by dangitman · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      So, what the hell is that $7 billion being spent on? Hookers? You'd think they might have some actual results if it were really spent on research. Some, you know, innovative products to show for it. Instead, they still keep doing the same old crap.

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  17. What about Ballmer for president? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Voters, voters, voters. Look out Iran, there's a nations entire supply of Aerons comming your way.

    1. Re:What about Ballmer for president? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No he will be the Secretary of Defense. And would send troops the the new flying chairs weapons.

  18. Replace the stars and stripes... by IGnatius+T+Foobar · · Score: 1

    I'm sure that under President Gates, our beloved stars and stripes will be replaced by the Red, White, and Blue Screen of Death!

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  19. Prepare by PortHaven · · Score: 4, Interesting

    For innumerous jokes about constantly having to reboot the government. And the need for constant government upgrades.

    Let's forget open-source software for any public activities.

    Er...uh...*cowers*

    On the flip side, special interest groups declare bankruptancy. Groups claim they became ineffective because when ever they tried to buy Bill Gates he declined expressing that he already had enough headaches trying to spend the billions he already has.

    1. Re:Prepare by BlindRobin · · Score: 1

      Let's forget open-source software for any public activities.
      Lets forget OSS totally. Let's forget software (and hardware) that is not produced by government certified producers all in the name of "consumer (read consumption) protection".

    2. Re:Prepare by GungaDan · · Score: 1

      "Let's forget open-source software for any public activities."

      C'mon - Billy won't specifically *deny* open-source vendors the opportunities. Nonetheless MS will be awarded all of the no-bid contracts to rebuild the next quagmire.

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  20. Slashdotted already by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Error establishing a database connection

    This either means that the username and password information in your wp-config.php file is incorrect or we can't contact the database server at localhost. This could mean your host's database server is down.
    Are you sure you have the correct username and password?
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    This is one time that I am happy that slashdotters turned a server into a flaming wreck. Now we don't have to worry about people going to that website and thinking that "Gates for President" is a good idea.

  21. I wouldn't vote for Gates... by Stormwatch · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ...but I wouldn't mind voting for Scott Adams!

    1. Re:I wouldn't vote for Gates... by Clever7Devil · · Score: 1

      At least the debates would be entertaining. ::Ducks::

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    2. Re:I wouldn't vote for Gates... by kalirion · · Score: 2

      I wouldn't if I were you. In his blog, Scott Adams has repeatedly stated that we should always go with the majority opinion, no matter what that opinion is.

    3. Re:I wouldn't vote for Gates... by LarsWestergren · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't vote for Gates ...but I wouldn't mind voting for Scott Adams!

      Uh, why? He has just proven himself to be the most pointy haired boss of them all.

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      Being bitter is drinking poison and hoping someone else will die

  22. a waste of materiel by tverbeek · · Score: 5, Interesting

    My main objection to a Gates presidency is that Bill can do far more good for the world as the head of a well-funded private foundation than he could possibly do as master of ceremonies and chief law enforcement officer of the United States. Now that he's stepping down as Borg Queen, he has an unprecedented opportunity to improve the quality of living for so much of the human population... why waste a man like that on a job where he'll have to negotiate with Congress, waste time overseeing dozens of secretaries, etc.

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    1. Re:a waste of materiel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, seriously....for being labeled the king of all evil he is currently doing more for the world with his private time than some nations even do for their own citizens, making him President would be a waste of a talented mans time....Not that being president is a waste of time, but from looking at the past history of politics in the US you can chuck in some old actors or failed wrestlers and they can hold down that position without problems. Gates is actually doing something important.

    2. Re:a waste of materiel by pilkul · · Score: 1

      The U.S. government yearly budget is $2.8 trillion. Bill Gates' net worth is a comparatively puny $53 billion. If he only succeeds in adjusting the budget by 0.5%, it would, over his 4-year term, direct the same amount of money as his entire forture.

    3. Re:a waste of materiel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      overseeing dozens of secretaries,

      I'd imagine that spending a day watching 24 hot secretaries would be quite enjoyable.

    4. Re:a waste of materiel by fermion · · Score: 1
      Ok, lets take this further. As a private citizen, with private money, one can pick and choose what to do, and does is not responsible for meeting any needs but his own. A the head of a corporation, he is only responsble to shareholders, and can basically force anyone to whatever he wants. He must follow some laws of the land, but can choose to use the money to circumvent said laws. in both cases, he is a dictator in his own kingdom.

      What i think many people have trouble with is moving from being a dictator to a part of a democracy. I can imagine that having to ask before you spend a billion dollars on war, or having to ask before you wiretap a phone. How many corportate exectives actually keep track if they use funds to mail personal letters? How many congressmen have been caught doing things, like propositioning children, that would have had no effect on thier bussiness life. On of the worst fallacies is the analogy between business and war might be very disorienting? How many firms are going to strap explosive on the children in an effort to destroy a competitor. How many mothers are going to say they wish they had more children that they could sacrifice to shut down a emerging technology? How many are gong to plant roadside bombs to insure that people cannot make it the big box grocery store that is destroying main street?

      At the end of the day the rules of world politics is different from the rules of business.

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      "She's a scientist and a lesbian. She's not going to let it slide." Orphan Black
    5. Re:a waste of materiel by Skim123 · · Score: 1

      Seeing as the President of the United States could end the world with the push of a button, I'd say it's a job that can affect more people than any charity. Would we be mired in Iraq if Gore had been elected? I'll let the reader decide what would have made more of an impact - an intact Saddam or tens of thousands of US and Iraqi lives spared from war.

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      I could not justify my existence if I were a turkey farmer. Would I terminate myself? Undoubtably, yes.

    6. Re:a waste of materiel by tverbeek · · Score: 1

      Thanks for missing the point. The question isn't "Who's more important: the president of the U.S. or the head of the Gates Foundation?" It's "Where would Bill do the most good (or least harm if you want to be cynical)?"

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    7. Re:a waste of materiel by Skim123 · · Score: 1

      Bill would do more good as President. The US budget dwarfs the budget of the Gates Foundation. The actions of the US government impact more people worldwide than the Gates Foundation, both positively and negatively.

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      I could not justify my existence if I were a turkey farmer. Would I terminate myself? Undoubtably, yes.

    8. Re:a waste of materiel by tverbeek · · Score: 1

      Now you're just being dense. The job of president of the U.S. is very different from that of president of the Gates Foundation. To make this as clear as possible: he'd suck at the first, and he's good at the latter.

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    9. Re:a waste of materiel by Skim123 · · Score: 1

      How do you figure? What, exactly, does Bill do as the head of the Gates Foundation that could not be done by many others (besides supplying the working capital)? Or are you saying that's all he's good for (or maybe best for) - providing money to a cause? As others have noted throughout this discussion, Bill would have a leg up on many folks who currently are presidential contenders, the largest (IMO) being that he is not beholden to a bunch of special interests. Also, being an "outsider" in DC would be a good thing, IMO. Too much cronyism going on there. Personally, I don't care if it's Bill Gates or someone else, but that someone else would, in my mind, ideally be someone who is (a) not a career politician, (b) not beholden to special interests, and (c) does not cite God or religion as his rationale for making decisions that affect the world.

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      I could not justify my existence if I were a turkey farmer. Would I terminate myself? Undoubtably, yes.

  23. The ultimate application of the Dilbert Principle by archeopterix · · Score: 4, Funny

    Thank you, Scott.

  24. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 3, Funny

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  25. WordPress Error by NatasRevol · · Score: 2, Funny

    One way to make sure it doesn't happen:

    Slashdot it!!

    Quick, someone tell Digg, then Fark!

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    1. Re:WordPress Error by kirun · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'll save you the effort. Here's the most important parts of the Digg and Fark discussions, summarised using my time-travel modem that loads stories from the future:

      Digg:

      "..." (37 diggs)
      "Me too" (102 diggs)

      Fark:
      (picture of cat on blue screened monitor)
      im on ur pc
      crashing ur windows

      (... 1 hour of discussion later ...)

      boobies!

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  26. Recent Interview by balsy2001 · · Score: 1

    In his recent interview with Donny Deustch on CNBC, Bill said that he had no desire to run for president because: 1) People wouldn't vote for me 2) I wouldn't be good at that job Granted he could be telling a fib about the desire part, but his insight isn't that far from the truth.

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  27. Finally! by Cr0w+T.+Trollbot · · Score: 4, Funny
    A politician with the honesty of Bill Clinton, the dashing presence of Michael Dukakis, the sexy charisma of Hubert Humphrey, the commanding stature of Joseph Lieberman, the popularity of Gray Davis, the humble background of John D. Rockefeller, the down-home charm of John Kerry, the electoral experience of Pat Robertson, the honesty of Dan Rostenkowski, and the huge following of Dennis Kucinich!

    Crow T. Trollbot

    1. Re:Finally! by CrashPoint · · Score: 3, Funny
      A politician with the honesty of Bill Clinton, the dashing presence of Michael Dukakis, the sexy charisma of Hubert Humphrey, the commanding stature of Joseph Lieberman, the popularity of Gray Davis, the humble background of John D. Rockefeller, the down-home charm of John Kerry, the electoral experience of Pat Robertson, the honesty of Dan Rostenkowski, and the huge following of Dennis Kucinich!

      And the streamlined verbal economy of Crow T. Trollbot!
    2. Re:Finally! by BlindRobin · · Score: 1

      you forgot : "The Ethical Standards of Richard M. Nixon"

    3. Re:Finally! by identity0 · · Score: 1

      I think you forgot to add:

      And the religious conviction of Monty Python, the healthy complection of Michael Jackson, the fashion sense of Mr. Rogers, the personal presence of a cardboard cutout of himself, the appeal to women voters of Gary Condit, the tact and timing of Mr. Clippy, the successful engineering history of Wile E. Coyote, the overseas respect of Genghis Kahn, and the eloquence of... George W. Bush.

      Heck, why isn't he President already?

    4. Re:Finally! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah but he's still better than Bush.

    5. Re:Finally! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey, I voted for Dennis.

  28. Just one question by antifoidulus · · Score: 4, Funny

    Will there be a "Cowboy Neal" option on the ballot?

    1. Re:Just one question by spazekaat · · Score: 0
      Will there be a "Cowboy Neal" option on the ballot?

      No, the EULA would probably prevent that....... :-)
  29. Freedom for America by Cat+Tank · · Score: 1

    I dunno, I'm a fan of open government, so maybe I'd go for RMS.

    *rimshot*

  30. well he couldnt do any worse... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    he couldnt do any worse. then again my pet gibbon could probabbly do a better job than the current administration

  31. Fixed that (faster than an OS release, too!) by dangitman · · Score: 1
    Adams actually meant to write:

    saying there isn't anything wrong with this country that President Bill Gates couldn't screw up in less time than it takes to get a new operating system out the door.

    Bill Gates, the man with the Zune Touch.

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    1. Re:Fixed that (faster than an OS release, too!) by compro01 · · Score: 1

      Bill Gates, the man with the Zune Touch.

      what exactly did Bill have to do with the Zune? i'm pretty sure that he didn't design it.

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    2. Re:Fixed that (faster than an OS release, too!) by soft_guy · · Score: 1

      what exactly did Bill have to do with the Zune? i'm pretty sure that he didn't design it.He failed to say, "No, guys. Go back to the drawing board and make something good."

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    3. Re:Fixed that (faster than an OS release, too!) by dangitman · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      it was merely a reference to the color of the zune. Everything that Midas touched turned into gold. Everything that Bill touches turns into an awful shade of brown.

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  32. Re:The IRONY by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > And by "ironic" I mean "totally expected and predictable."

    Totally expected from Microsoft software but that site runs wordpress without a cache. No irony here, just an abundance of utter stupidity.

  33. Re:I'd be all for Gates... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You do realize it is ther Bill AND Melinda Gates Foundation and that Melinda is a devote christian, right?

  34. I never thought I'd say this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...but maybe Bush isn't so bad.

    1. Re:I never thought I'd say this... by miro+f · · Score: 1

      done! ...
      oops

      --
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  35. Site's down by freyyr890 · · Score: 1
    Site appears to be down. Another site falls before the dreaded "slashdot effect."
    This account has been suspended. Either the domain has been overused, or the reseller ran out of resources.
  36. What having a website proofs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Also some other evil potential candidate has a campaing website.

  37. this account has been suspended by dclaw · · Score: 1

    This account has been suspended.
    Either the domain has been overused, or the reseller ran out of resources.

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  38. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 4, Funny

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  39. Steve Jobs? by eluusive · · Score: 1

    How about Steve Jobs for president? :P /sarcasm

    1. Re:Steve Jobs? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      At least we'd get a new national seal, and probably a flag to go with. One wonders if it would be brushed metal, candy, or transparent-look. "This document is supposed to bear the state seal." "It's right there, see where the paper's a bit glossy?"

      --
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    2. Re:Steve Jobs? by Mixel · · Score: 1

      He has already said he doesn't want to. Just like George Washington did.

    3. Re:Steve Jobs? by uhlume · · Score: 1

      As if the existing White House reality-distortion field weren't bad enough...

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  40. Flogging?? by teknognome · · Score: 1

    What exactly is 'flogging' supposed to mean in the summary?

    1. Re:Flogging?? by dangitman · · Score: 1

      It's a reference to masturbation.

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    2. Re:Flogging?? by kirun · · Score: 1

      It sort of means "selling" (see many stories at The Register for example). Its usual context is often where something is sold at a knock-down price, or in a wheeler-dealer context (as in antique auction programme Flog It!).

      The usage here is leaning more towards the "promoting" side of selling, rather than the transactional side that "flogging" would normally emphasise. Example sentence: "He flogged the dodgy TV down the market". Not really the right word for putting weight behind a campaign.

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    3. Re:Flogging?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Flogging = "attempting to sell", or pushing an idea. Can be confusing, since the word is also used to mean stealing.

      eg "he makes his living flogging off old cars" probably means he is a salesman, while "he flogged my car" probably means he stole it. Just to be extra confusing, the last could also mean that he drove it abusively. That last meaning is closer to the original meaning of flog, eg beat with a whip or "cat o' nine tails".

      Welcome to the confusing world of English vernacular. The definitions given above are not exhaustive or definitive and actual usage will vary with location and time.

  41. See also: Top Ten Bill Gates Pick-Up Lines by transporter_ii · · Score: 1

    10. "Haven't I downloaded naked pictures of you before?"
    9. "Just close your eyes and pretend you're using a mouse."
    8. "Care to run your fingers through my ridiculous five dollar haircut?"
    7. "You haven't lived until you've watched 'Revenge of the Nerds' on laser disk."
    6. "Looking at you, I'm neither micro nor soft."
    5. Do you come here often? I don't, because I'm busy making billions of dollars."
    4. "How would you like to be my human laptop?"
    3. "So, who do I make the check out to?"
    2. "I beat Michael Jackson for the title of World's Richest Virgin."
    1. "I control the internet -- want to surf me?"

    Transporter_ii

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  42. Suspended? by the+linux+geek · · Score: 1

    It seems indicated that the account on the Bill Gates for President site has been suspended. Bandwidth? A pro-Linux sysadmin at the ISP? We may never know...

  43. it may benefit him to become president by u19925 · · Score: 1

    If he becomes a president or even a president's cabinet member, he could reap billions of dollars in tax savings. He would be allowed (actually forced) to sell all of his microsoft stocks without any capital tax gains (he can then invest in other security). Even better, since he would be selling stocks as a legal requirements, market will not perceive this as a negative outlook for microsoft.

    A good way to diversify without paying tax.

  44. So.... by Beek+Dog · · Score: 1

    So when will Microsoft be buying Diebold?

  45. Bill would not make a good president by EXMSFT · · Score: 1

    But of course that's just my opinion.

  46. Some fun netcraft stats.. by new_breed · · Score: 1

    Apparantly, the site is hosted here in Holland, and the owner is Dutch (surprise, surprise!).
    Also noteworthy: "http://www.billgatesforpresident.net was running Apache on Linux when last queried at 30-Nov-2006 21:41:05 GMT "

  47. Re:Except, of course by EXMSFT · · Score: 1

    I think there's a "with his money" missing off the end of that quote. There are honestly many other senior managers at Microsoft that would make better Executive Branch material than Bill.

  48. Remember Carter? by tyrr · · Score: 1

    Good businessmen do not make good presidents, because policy-makers are a different type of animal.
    I hope Giuliani runs, even though he is a republican.
    I pray Hilary looses the party nomination! http://gregmankiw.blogspot.com/2006/11/would-hilla ry-make-good-president.html

    1. Re:Remember Carter? by grozzie2 · · Score: 1

      Hillary did fine the first time around, the public will be happy to elect her directly instead of by proxy this time around...

  49. Not another CEO! by richieb · · Score: 1
    Corporations are run like small Stalinist empires (if you don't believe me try some "free speech" at your job). I don't think it's a good idea to have someone who is used to having nearly unlimited and unquestioned power. The goverment is not a corporation.

    Current occupant of the White House and his second in command were both CEOs at one time and look what happened.

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    1. Re:Not another CEO! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you're comparing George W. Bush, who is essentially a failure at life, to Bill Gates who came from a family with a modest fortune to become the richest individual in the world, building a business that employs tens of thousands, and produces products used throughout the entire world on the way? I'm by no means jumping on the Gates 08 ticket, but I certainly think that he would demonstrate a level of competence well outside that of the current administration. You might as well suggest that there shouldn't be anymore presidents that are male, because the current administration, headed up by two males, is completely useless.

      I think what you meant is "Not another idiot!" Hopefully the people that voted for George because they felt comfortable with his faux good ol' boy speech impediment have learned their lesson.

  50. Computer Literate President by krunoce · · Score: 1

    Even though it seems everyone hates the guy, I wouldn't mind having a president that knows something about computers.

    1. Re:Computer Literate President by Surt · · Score: 1

      Even though it seems everyone hates the guy, I wouldn't mind having a president that knows something about computers.

      Me too, so maybe if Bill Gates can run, someone computer literate can run too!

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      "Who is the Journal of Quantum Physics going to believe?" --Stephen Hawking
  51. Scott Adam's take on this by purplelocust · · Score: 1
    Scott Adams's blog has this take on things:For my president I want a mixture of Mother Teresa, Carl Sagan, Warren Buffet, and Darth Vader. Bill has all of their good stuff. His foundation will save more lives than Mother Teresa ever did. He's got the Carl Sagan intelligence and rational mind. He's a hugely successful businessman. And I have every reason to believe he can choke people just by concentrating in their general direction. You can't tell me that wouldn't be useful at a summit.

    I've always felt that you should pick a president the same way you'd pick an attorney to help you out of a dangerous legal problem. Do you want the attorney who dresses nicely and belongs to your church? Or do you want the attorney who can rip out your opponent's heart and put it on the hibachi before he dies? Maybe it's just me, but I want an attorney who is part demon. And I want a president who isn't afraid to make rational decisions.

    So perhaps the problem is basically that people vote for someone likeable, but it may be better to have someone, uh, effective. Perhaps evilly effective...
    1. Re:Scott Adam's take on this by bunions · · Score: 1

      The problem is that what he describes isn't how our government works. When Perot ran, he always talked about getting elected and goin' down to Warshington to "fix" stuff. Well, we have an entire system of government specifically designed to prevent that. The system just doesn't allow, nor should it allow, the president to "fix" things according to his desires.

      ok, yeah, I just re-read that and it seems a little funny, given the last few years, but y'all know what I mean.

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    2. Re:Scott Adam's take on this by soft_guy · · Score: 1

      So perhaps the problem is basically that people vote for someone likeable, but it may be better to have someone, uh, effective. Perhaps evilly effective...We tried that. Nixon resigned.

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  52. Very excellent point by everphilski · · Score: 2, Insightful

    On the flip side, special interest groups declare bankruptancy. Groups claim they became ineffective because when ever they tried to buy Bill Gates he declined expressing that he already had enough headaches trying to spend the billions he already has.

    He would have the capability to do his own thing, 100%, all the way. No political backing, no SIG's, no anything. Pick his agenda, pick his priorities, open office to anyone without a corporate interest. Now that would be interesting.

    1. Re:Very excellent point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Aren't you both presupposing that he's disinterested in having billions?

      Do you think he accidently became that rich? Are you morons?

    2. Re:Very excellent point by natrius · · Score: 1

      Pick his agenda, pick his priorities, open office to anyone without a corporate interest.I doubt he'd be giving OpenOffice to anyone.

    3. Re:Very excellent point by Saxerman · · Score: 1
      He would have the capability to do his own thing, 100%, all the way. No political backing, no SIG's, no anything. Pick his agenda, pick his priorities, open office to anyone without a corporate interest. Now that would be interesting.

      That certainly would be interesting. Yet I find it unlikely you get to become either president of the US or the worlds richest man on entirely your own merits. Only those with nothing to lose have true freedom.

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    4. Re:Very excellent point by PortHaven · · Score: 1

      Nope...he's already put most of the billions into his charity. Then decreed that upon his death they are to essentially expend all the billions. I think he's more interested in fame than money.

      What would be interesting is if he "opened" the door to special interest groups.

      Want to meet with the President for an hour? Donate a million dollars to the deficit reduction fund. And just not to waste the President's time. First visit is a million, each additional visit is $10 million.

      It'd be fun...

  53. Why not? by markbt73 · · Score: 1

    My first response when I first heard this idea was to laugh, but really, the system as it currently stands is seriosuly borken. Why not try something a little bit crazy to try to fix it?

    (That said, I lived in Minnesota under "The Body," and THAT little experiment didn't go so well... but then, Gates is a hell of a lot smarter.)

    But as long as he wasn't screwing up a close race like a certain cool-car-killing twit, I'd be tempted to vote for him. Assuming he doesn't mind that I'm posting this from a Mac, of course. ;)

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    1. Re:Why not? by gujo-odori · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Bill Gates for President? I'm a Microsoft employee, and even I don't think that's a good idea.

      Why not? Well, Billg is a very smart guy, he's extremely intense, extremely intelligent - can pick out and remember the smallest details from specs that are hundreds of pages long - and has generally been a pretty good leader for Microsoft. Not many people can make the transition from running a small business with 3 employees to having that business become the biggest software company in the world, with over 60,000 employees. He did, and he did it well. He's got real talent.

      However, Microsoft is also a frigging bureaucratic mess of unbelievable proportions. A lot of you have probalby read that Joel on Software article about the shutdown menu in Vista, and the dev's response to it in which he describes a year-long process of weekly meetings mostly spent arguing over design features. The thing is, the whole company is like that. While I'm pretty sure Billg is a nice guy (I don't know him pesonally, but it's my impression) and he's very smart and I'm sure he has far more integrity than most politicians, I don't really want to put anyone who oversaw the creation of such a bureaucracy in charge of the government. After all, it took government far longer to evolve such a horrid bureacracy, Microsoft did it in only 30 years, and most of that happened in the last 20.

      So, while I have tremendous respect for Billg for his accomplishments at Microsoft, and also for Linus Torvalds and Steve Jobs for their accomplishments, I wouldn't like to see any of them become president of the United States, thank you very much (not that Linus could, because of the stricture on being a citizen by birth, of course).

    2. Re:Why not? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (not that Linus could, because of the stricture on being a citizen by birth, of course)

      Maybe Linus will get a chance after that's been repealed so the Governator can have his eight years in the seat.

    3. Re:Why not? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hang on a sec--did you just say the USA is in an underdog position?

      The biggest, most arrogant, expansionist nation on the planet is an underdog?

      I just don't quite understand where you come up with this theory.

    4. Re:Why not? by CAIMLAS · · Score: 1

      And if he were to run against Hillary, he'd really shine. She's got all the charm of last week's leftover cod and liver casserole; not even a fraction of what Gates has.

      I'm sorry to say that I think he'd beat Hillary hands down. He certainly beats the tar out of her as a humanitarian, what with all the money he's donated there.

      Frankly, I don't want to think about such a sitation. It's terrifying.

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    5. Re:Why not? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't get what people will believe and mod up any a** that says I work for company X, when there is absolutely NO PROOF to that claim. What you have said is not interesting or insightful in any freaking way. I know lots of people that remember details in specs and books they have read and what they did when they were 5 years old. So what? Everyone in the whole f**** world already acknowledged this. Just because he is a good businessman does not translate well into being a good politician because you can screw your company into the ground and it will hurt you and a "few" others, but with all the beuaracracy of govt and cultural diferences, Bill Gates a** hat ways will make other countries hate us even more.

    6. Re:Why not? by 14CharUsername · · Score: 1

      He also said MS was an underdog too. I mean, WTF? He made a sweetheart deal with IBM and from then on it was easy street. Luckydog maybe, but he was never an underdog.

    7. Re:Why not? by gujo-odori · · Score: 1

      And people should believe a foul-mouthed AC instead?

      OK, here's some information that I think most people will accept as proof of my Microsoft employment: Exchange devs are in Bldg. 34. If you go out the back door of Bldg. 34 the cafeteria is off to your left on roughly a 45-degree angle and the walkway is not covered, so you get a little wet going there on a rainy day. Standing at the same back door, the parking structure for Bldg. 34 is straight away. The cafeteria pizza is great, the coffee at the pseudo-Starbucks stand in there is awful.

      While this does not constitute absolute proof (and no, I'm not going to tell you my Microsoft email address), any Microsoft employee who works in Bldg. 34, is familiar with it, or even wants to head over there to check it out, can confirm that this information is correct.

      I don't even get where you're coming, from, really. I was not endorsing billg for president, indeed, just the opposite. What I said was that even I, as a Microsoft employee (someone who might be expected by many to be partisan in his favor) didn't think it was a good idea, that he's a very smart guy and all, but Microsoft is a meeting-bound, bureaucratic mess.

      If you want to find an asshat, I suggest you start with the nearest mirror.

  54. 2 words: Patriot Act by ookabooka · · Score: 1

    It is definately possible for even a government with multiple layers of beurocracy to pass stupid laws. What about "internment" camps for the japaneese during WWII? Personally I think freedom of press and democracy (anyone can get involved) is important to stopping stupid laws and policies, though not much can stop the "What about the Children?" mentality and fearmongering. I will agree that fast decsions can be bad, but I dissagree that excessive burocracy stops fast decsions.

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  55. no longer dead for resources... by swschrad · · Score: 1

    site now says they're adding a more powerful server.

    how about ballmer for pres and gollum for VP instead? we'll have two graceful dancers on the grave of our country ;)

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  56. Ahhh, Rich White Men by dangitman · · Score: 1

    Is there anything they can't do? I, for one, welcome our pasty flabby ubermensch overlords.

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  57. Look mummy, there's an aeroplane up in the sky by overtly_demure · · Score: 1
    Did you see the frightened ones?

    Did you hear the falling bombs?

    Did you ever wonder why we had to run for shelter when the promise of a brave new world unfurled beneath a clear blue sky?

    Did you see the frightened ones?

    Did you hear the falling bombs?

    The flames are all gone, but the pain lingers on.

    Goodbye, blue sky

    Goodbye, blue sky.

    Goodbye.

    Goodbye.

    Goodbye.

    1. Re:Look mummy, there's an aeroplane up in the sky by LouisZepher · · Score: 1

      Mind explaining what quoting Floyd is supposed to mean in regards to this article? Is it some attempt at connecting 'blue sky' to 'blue screen'? Otherwise, I fail to see any connection between that song (or the entire album) and Gates potentially running for president.

    2. Re:Look mummy, there's an aeroplane up in the sky by overtly_demure · · Score: 1
      Sorry it was so opaque. I had in mind the line:

      Did you ever wonder why we had to run for shelter when the promise of a brave new world unfurled beneath a clear blue sky?

      in the sense that the promise so many gullible people will see in electing Gates will very quickly turn sour.

      It was probably a dumb and obscure post.

  58. Business man for Prez. by rickett81 · · Score: 1
    I would vote for him.

    Whether like windows or not, he is a very good business man. He did not inherit any of his money. Inside the US with respect to businesses, there are rules regulating (not against) monopolies, laws against cartels and anti-trust actions. But in the world economy, none of those laws exist. OPEC is the worlds biggest cartel and holds the balls of the world in its hand.

    The US needs a good business man in charge of running the country. Any business is not allowed to continue to operate, and constantly lose money. But the US Government only loses money. Why not put the richest person in the world in charge of running the (potentially) richest country in the world.

    Democrats spend money on crap that pushes us closer to socialism. Republicans spend money on crap that pushes us closer to fascism. Let a business man have a try. That has to be better than lawyers.

    1. Re:Business man for Prez. by bunions · · Score: 1

      Being a good businessman has nothing to do with being an effective President. Our government does not work like a business - it was specifically designed by the founding fathers not to.

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    2. Re:Business man for Prez. by DragonWriter · · Score: 1
      Let a business man have a try. That has to be better than lawyers.


      George W. Bush was a businessman, but not a lawyer, before going into politics. Bill Clinton was a lawyer. George H. W. Bush was businessman. Ronald Reagan was neither a businessman, as most people conceive of that, or a lawyer, but an actor. Jimmy Carter was a businessman. Gerald Ford was a lawyer. Richard Nixon was a lawyer. Lyndon Johnson was a community college instructor. John Kennedy was a naval officer with no significant civilian professional background. One could go on...

      Its hardly all been lawyers, and its even less as if businessmen other than lawyers haven't had a shot (or as if they have been uniformly better in any widely-accepted way than lawyers.)

  59. On The Positive Side... by JasonY1982 · · Score: 1

    Bill Gates has more than enough money to run a campaign all by himself numerous times over. Thus, he would not be financed by donors with questionable motives or those with their own interests at heart. Gates could at least enter office without having to pay back favors or being leaned on because he received contributions. When you don't owe anyone it gives you a lot of freedom to accomplish things.

    1. Re:On The Positive Side... by overtly_demure · · Score: 1

      Dude, he is one big, nefarious, and well-funded special interest.

    2. Re:On The Positive Side... by bunions · · Score: 1

      > Thus, he would not be financed by donors with questionable motives or those with their own interests at heart.

      People who say this drive me nuts. First: although he is rich, he didn't get that way by spending his own money when he didn't have to. Second: you have some kind of idea that because he's rich that he doesn't want any more money. How does that even start to make sense? I'll just go ahead and point out that Arnold here in CA has taken a bunch of money from special interests. And yet he's a multihojillionaire. HOW CAN THIS BE?!? Could it be that people always want more money, no matter how much they have? Hmmm.

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  60. Nah by iamacat · · Score: 1

    This guy doesn't have a proven ability to secure the country from malware or filter our malicious payload from external traffic. We don't planes crashing through any more Windows.

  61. Windows update by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The next update will include a Vote for Gates splash screen when you log into your pc.

  62. President Stephen Cobert by drfrog · · Score: 1

    Is a better choice

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  63. terrifying to think, but... by straponego · · Score: 1
    ...I have to admit that I think Gates would be better than most of the likely candidates. I'd rather have a President who's either evil or incompetent than one who is both. Like, consider the hypothetical choice between a guy who is pretty evil but competent, let's call him Senior, and one who is evil and ragingly incompetent, let's call him... okay, never mind that.

    Gates makes mistakes, and he's greedy, but his #2 motivation now seems to be polishing his record in the history books (#1 is still being the richest person in history). I would expect him to be rather progressive on social issues, pretty good on health issues... and largely against any regulations on business, but then again, who isn't?

    There are a couple of candidates who look pretty good to me right now, but I fully expect them to be kneecapped within a year or so. And we'll be left with the same uninspiring choices we've had forever... I really don't like Gates very much, but actually think that he's done most of the harm he's going to do, and that he'd be better than most career politicians. At least I wouldn't expect him to allow arsenic in baby formula for a $20,000 campaign contribution.

    In conclusion: Damn you, Scott Adams!

  64. The Man is a Lunatic by JerkyBoy · · Score: 1

    I'm lucky enough to get inside information about how Gates runs his meetings to think that Gates is probably certifiable. Apparently, the guy gets in front of the room and bounces up and down on one of those mini-trampolines while everyone sits and talks at him. He says, "Yes," or "No," etc., all the while, bouncing, bouncing, bouncing. From a pretty good source, too.

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    1. Re:The Man is a Lunatic by soft_guy · · Score: 1

      I have a friend who still works at Microsoft who has an office in building 8 (where Gates works) and he told me that both Gates and Ballmer compare dick sizes with other execs in the mens room. I'm serious.

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    2. Re:The Man is a Lunatic by Suhas · · Score: 1

      micro soft?

  65. Hell no. Dumbest thing I've heard in ages. by toby · · Score: 1

    Why would you want a liar and thief without a conscience running the country?

    Uh wait...

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  66. Well by joggle · · Score: 1

    You could always write him in.

  67. A Real Review of Bill Gates by iONiUM · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'm kind of confused, all the posts here on Slashdot talk about how Bill Gates shouldn't be president because [insert other person here] would be better. Or that he ran a company convicted of being an illegal monopoly.

    Why isn't anyone discussing how his years of experience both managing a bank account the size of a small country's GDP and running a huge corporation would be beneficial/detrimental to him being a President? Seems to me like everyone here is arguing emotion. For example, "I don't like him" isn't a useful tidbit of information.

    1. Re:A Real Review of Bill Gates by srussell · · Score: 0, Troll
      Why isn't anyone discussing how his years of experience both managing a bank account the size of a small country's GDP and running a huge corporation would be beneficial/detrimental to him being a President?
      Wow.

      Ok: how about the fact that the OS he developed is a bloated, buggy piece of crap? How about the shitty security of the OS his company produces? How about the fact that his company has been -- for as long as I can remember -- unable to meet their deadlines? How about the fact that his company assumes that the customers are criminals, until proven innocent? How about the fact that his company seems to spend more time trying to figure out how to squeeze more money out of the customers, than actually fixing things? How about the fact that the US is a democracy, and Microsoft is a dictatorship -- a dictatorship where you don't have to worry about pissing off other people in your industry? How about the fact that the company he ran has been convicted of a crime (being a monopoly)?

      Man. There are more reasons for Gates to not be president than I have time to write about. But that would be rich, wouldn't it? Talk about America being run by corporations. We've got enough trouble with no-bid contracts in the US without putting another crook in office.

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    2. Re:A Real Review of Bill Gates by iONiUM · · Score: 2, Funny

      I.. I don't think you read the part where I said an impartial opinion without emotion. I read yours and all I see is FDLJFfdjsa;FD;jdsfla ME ANGRY.

      Nice try though, you almost had a point.

    3. Re:A Real Review of Bill Gates by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Um, he wasn't saying it would be good or bad, he was just saying that people are using emotional responses.
      He is right.
      I don't think he would be a good president, but to say "becasue he's rich" is an emotional arguement.

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    4. Re:A Real Review of Bill Gates by Surt · · Score: 1

      I don't quite see how 'because he's rich' is an emotional argument. The horrific acts of the rich throughout history are well documented. It's hard to find any rich who were good, so why take a chance?

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    5. Re:A Real Review of Bill Gates by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I don't like him" isn't a useful tidbit of information.

      When you're talking about a candidate for election, it actually is.

    6. Re:A Real Review of Bill Gates by edwdig · · Score: 0

      Why isn't anyone discussing how his years of experience both managing a bank account the size of a small country's GDP and running a huge corporation would be beneficial/detrimental to him being a President? Seems to me like everyone here is arguing emotion. For example, "I don't like him" isn't a useful tidbit of information.

      Well, take an honest look at Microsoft. They have had three major moneymakers - DOS, Windows, and Office.

      DOS was bought from another company in a rather sleazy business deal. Once DOS got established, they blocked out the competition through illegal business practices.

      Windows only got anywhere because they tied it with DOS. Windows wasn't better than the competition until after the competition was all driven out of business.

      Office's success is largely from tying it to Windows.

      Everything else Microsoft does loses money.

      Microsoft got really lucky with a great contract from IBM for DOS, then abused the hell out of it for 15 years or so until the government slapped them on the wrist and said to stop. Since then, they've just been riding on the huge cash pile and lack of competition.

    7. Re:A Real Review of Bill Gates by Bent+Mind · · Score: 0, Troll

      Why isn't anyone discussing how his years of experience both managing a bank account the size of a small country's GDP and running a huge corporation would be beneficial/detrimental to him being a President?

      I'll take your second point first. I've meet a few large corporation CEOs in my lifetime. They are generally good at managing other managers. Put them in charge of regular people and they fail miserably. The main reason for this seems to be a complete lack of understanding of the common person. CEOs spend all of their time with like-minded people. You won't find them at the bar down the street.

      On the positive side, the same could be said of the President. Has anyone on Slashdot ever sat down and had a beer with the President? However, without an understanding of the common person, and with corporate interests at heart, you end up with a government that favors corporations over the common person.

      As for the management of money, that's the CFO's job. I've never met a businessman that didn't point to their accountant when it comes to matters involving money.

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  68. Vote or die! by cachorro · · Score: 1

    I'm saving my vote for P.Ditty! (yes he's over 35 now).

    He's a better entertainer than Reagan, a better businessman than Bush, and he's pretty adept at slogans and sound bytes.

  69. Why not? by anotherone · · Score: 1

    The last thing we need is another politician.

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  70. I solemnly swear to embrace the Constitution... by Peter+Trepan · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...and extend it...

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    1. Re:I solemnly swear to embrace the Constitution... by jpetts · · Score: 1

      Too late: it's already being extinguished...

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    2. Re:I solemnly swear to embrace the Constitution... by CAIMLAS · · Score: 1

      So are you saying you think Bill Gates would run as a Democrat?

      Interesting. Given his proclivity for 'white guilt' type endeavors and sending all that money overseas to help... whomever... it wouldn't surprise me.

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  71. Two terms? by abb3w · · Score: 1

    By my count, "less time than it takes to release an operating system" is now running longer than a single presidential term.

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  72. Um ... by azav · · Score: 1

    How about hell no?

    Gates may be rich but he has the charisma of tarantula with mange.

    He still protrays the "whiney geek that used to get beat up in high school" persona.

    Now, compare his persona to that of a kid who was told by his stepfather that "he'd never amount to anything", Larry Ellison. Or even better, Richard Branson.

    Branson would be a rock star of a president.

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    1. Re:Um ... by cliffski · · Score: 1

      Exactly why he should be president.

      I don't want the president to be charming
      I don't want the president to be funny
      I don't want the president to be good looking
      I don't want the president to be charismatic
      I don't want the president to be photogenic

      I want one thing:

      I want the president to make well-informed and thought out decisions.

      Thats pretty much his/her job. Every thing else is fluff. They can be a rude, ugly, annoying, womanising, tongue-tied hunchback for all I care. Presidential elections aren't about picking the lead guy for a spielberg movie, or the MC for a comedy club, they are about deciding what wars are worth fighting, what laws get passd, and similar heavy-shit issues.
      The sooner people start realising this the better.
      Hitler had charisma. So did Stalin, so did Saddam (in his own way). Charisma should not be the main qualification for the job.

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  73. This just in by VEGETA_GT · · Score: 1

    Bill Has been elected precedent.

    On another note. there seams to me a mass exodus of REAL IT people leaving the USA, most moving to Canada. One IT person was heard saying "Hell froze over, and I am getting out while I can".

  74. Stop the presses!!! by overtly_demure · · Score: 2, Funny
    I wouldn't mind having a president that knows something about computers.

    Yow! A brand new mindless hot-button issue! Stop the presses! A guy who actually knows how to operate a computer should be president! Not some pen-wielding dipshit, not some bozo who can't tell the backtick from an apostrophe, but a guy who can actually bring up a certain word processing program, type something in it, and successfully print it and save it to disk! Brilliant, Holmes, brilliant!

    Where can we find such a strange and noble leader? Elect him at once, I say! I for one welcome our new mouse-button-pressing overlord!

    Of course, he did gratuitously use a backslash instead of a forward slash in pathnames. And, not to be picky, but the space in the "Program Files" directory name was not a good idea, nor was the two-character sequence in DOS file carriage returns. And that whole monopoly thing, are we over that yet?

    1. Re:Stop the presses!!! by krunoce · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I didn't mean to elect Bill Gates specifically. I meant it would be nice if there was a president that I could relate to and we both shared the same interests in Computer Science. Not just anyone who knows how to save a text document to disk.

  75. I'd vote for him by greymond · · Score: 1

    Hell I'd vote for any successful business man who could get backed by either the Donkeys or Elephants. Course if he flew under any of the smaller parties it'd just be a wasted vote.

    1. Re:I'd vote for him by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Successfull in business requires a whole different set of skills then being president.

      Also, the president has his has tied a lot tighter then the a businessman.

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  76. Despicable - IOW, perfect for the job? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Scott Adams is hilarious, but, like most people, I guess he doesn't really know much about technical issues.

    Bill gates has thoroughly hosed the IT industry, for his personal gain. But most casual observers, and even the 95% of 'IT professionals' who are political, not technical (in other words, bill gates' "base"), still have no idea this is true.

    Of course, if the current administration is the benchmark of credentials, maybe he is overqualified!

  77. Check out Microsoft's wrongdoing! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Here, folks! http://malfy.org/

    With Gates at the helm, would Linux and open source be equated with terrorism?

    Still, it's cool that he's an atheist...

  78. Arrrrgh! by nurb432 · · Score: 1

    GOD NO! Anyone but him .. Even Hillary...

    Though, if he did win, we might get to see an assassination in our lifetime.

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  79. What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bill Gates for president? Are you nuts?

    The man has proven himself (through his company's actions) to be exceedingly dishonest. He has consistently pulled every dirty trick he could against his competitors. When convicted of monopolist actions, he blithely continued to do whatever the hell he pleased.

    Do we really want a lying, unscrupulous SOB who thinks that dirty tricks are OK and that laws are for everyone else for president?

    Oh, wait... never mind!

  80. Microsoft and Politics by Clever7Devil · · Score: 1

    Hmm... now that I think about it, this might not be a big change from the status quo.

    Take a system that's fundamentally flawed and, instead of scrapping the bloated obsolete parts, incorporating them into your upgrade.

    I've forgotten if I was talking about Microsoft or Congress...

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  81. The very same things which make us hate M$... by BigBlockMopar · · Score: 3, Insightful

    And as much as I despise is company's tactics, he is quite intelligent and has real management skills.

    The very same things which make us hate M$... ...would probably make him an exceptional President. All except enforcing the use of Microsoft software in government.

    He's brilliantly intelligent, with an amazing ability to run a company. His ruthless determination to implement his ideas would be a terrific asset. His management and business experience is likely to make him a Republican, though at least socially he seems to be quite liberal.

    My only fear with President Gates is that he has the same ruthless determination and utter self-assurance that he's doing a good thing for the world with only one other person: Adolf Hitler.

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    1. Re:The very same things which make us hate M$... by JazzLad · · Score: 5, Funny

      Boy are *you* gonna regret that comment 90 days after he's elected!

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    2. Re:The very same things which make us hate M$... by killjoe · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Bush has showed us that ruthless determination isn't such a great trait in a president.

      Gates would make a horrible president because the country is not run like a dictatorship like all companies are. At MS he was the dictator, what he said went and anybody who questioned him could be canned. As a president you have to work with the congress. Bush had a compliant congress who were sycophantic to an obscene degree but even then he failed miserably in just about everything he tried.

      Gates is not used to compromising, he is not used to being disagreed with. He would make a horrible president.

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    3. Re:The very same things which make us hate M$... by 3mpire · · Score: 1

      Godwin's Law: As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one.

    4. Re:The very same things which make us hate M$... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    5. Re:The very same things which make us hate M$... by Psiren · · Score: 1
      At MS he was the dictator, what he said went and anybody who questioned him could be canned.

      I find that highly unlikely. You don't get to be in Bill's position without having a good understanding and working relationship with the people around you. Yes, I'm sure he has ignored advice given by his staff and gone his own way on numerous occasions. However, to think that he ignores their comments completely would be idiotic. He knows when to listen to advice, and more importantly, when to follow it. As a non-American, I'm quite intrigued by the idea of his running.
    6. Re:The very same things which make us hate M$... by space+tyrant+xenu · · Score: 1

      I can agree that there is something to detest in Gates' penchant for stepping all over people to acheive his goals, but to compare his actions with any seriousness to Hitler's actions is insane. I don't think Gates has ever been responsible for liquidating people. It's hard to defend someone you don't like, but saying he'd be a Hitler if elected is quite an unwarranted insult.

    7. Re:The very same things which make us hate M$... by Amani576 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Ok... Last I checked, Gates is pretty good at compromising. I mean, he doesn't do much of the actual work when it comes to the product anymore. I doubt he controls the advertising (which is one of the main reasons we hate MS), He donates so much money every year (and considering he's like filthy rich, that's a trait you don't see in many people as successful (comparitively) as him.) He has his own scholarship, his own charity, and as a person, he is regarded as a very nice person. The majority of the public doesn't see him as a bad guy... and in this spectrum, neither do I. For the very same reasons we hate him, are the very same reasons he would make a good president. Because he's good with people, because he's tedious and organized, he used to having subordinates do his work, and is a great figurehead - all the while keeping the top on the company, and an eye on the people below him, the product going out the door, and the way the consumer likes it, and him. For those reasons he'd be better than a politician. Because he's not all about himself and what he has... it's more about what happens... And that's an incredibly good quality to have in a president... or a politician in general.
      If we are to blame anyone for why we truly hate MS, I believe it should be Balmer... But, even then, he's not a terrible guy. We hate MS, because it's a product that people like... but are almost forced to use. Because they are nearly tyrannical in both the size and dealing of the company. And we hate Bill Gates for all of this... even though I doubt he should be blamed for all, if any of it.
      GR

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    8. Re:The very same things which make us hate M$... by plantman-the-womb-st · · Score: 2, Informative

      I take it you don't live in and around Seattle and know no one who works for him. Because the grandparent's comment is *exactly* what it is like. Ask anyone who has an orange badge.

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    9. Re:The very same things which make us hate M$... by newt0311 · · Score: 1

      Goodwins law is ineffectual if it is specifically invoked.

    10. Re:The very same things which make us hate M$... by Skim123 · · Score: 1

      Urm, you don't run a Fortune 500 company by micro-managing and being dictatorial. You get there by compromising, weighing others' ideas, and delegating, which are the same positive traits one would look for in a politician. Bill's smart, sure, but I doubt he's smart enough to build one of the most successful corporations in the history of the universe by simply shutting out all others' opinions and ideas and just saying, "MY WAY OR THE HIGHWAY, BUSTER!"

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    11. Re:The very same things which make us hate M$... by ball-lightning · · Score: 1

      I can't even believe you just Godwined a thread about how Bill Gates running for president...

      What is he going to do, round up all the Mac users?

    12. Re:The very same things which make us hate M$... by I(rispee_I(reme · · Score: 0

      If they made comparing Gates to Hitler a crime, half of slashdot would become unpeople.

    13. Re:The very same things which make us hate M$... by BigBlockMopar · · Score: 1

      I can agree that there is something to detest in Gates' penchant for stepping all over people to acheive his goals, but to compare his actions with any seriousness to Hitler's actions is insane.

      Well, I am insane (Clinical diagnosis include ADD, OCD, PTSD, depression, alcoholism, SAD (and I'm stuck in a shitty northern climate in which no human being should ever be forced to live). And a pair of melanomas, for good measure, to add to the depression.). So that's not such a great leap, is it? OTOH, I passed the Mensa entrance test but found the meetings were boring.

      I don't think Gates has ever been responsible for liquidating people. It's hard to defend someone you don't like, but saying he'd be a Hitler if elected is quite an unwarranted insult.

      Actually, I didn't. I merely compared his personality traits with someone who, if not for the whole Holocaust and WWII thing, would have been an exceptionally gifted chancellor of Germany - and at Germany's worst time. Hopefully, with President Gates, modern safeguards and sensitivities would prevent the formation of such future artifacts of horror as New York's Open Source Ghetto.

      Usual declaration of principles in such discussions, with a rare frankness: I love the Jewish people. In fact, I hope to marry a Jew and would happily convert to share in the cultural and ethnic traditions of the people whom I feel are the greatest people to ever walk the planet. I don't make light of the Holocaust, but do make a point about the "achievements" of an individual with the same mindset (according to common knowledge) as Gates.

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    14. Re:The very same things which make us hate M$... by BigBlockMopar · · Score: 2, Funny

      What is he going to do, round up all the Mac users?

      Yes.

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    15. Re:The very same things which make us hate M$... by liquid_rince · · Score: 0

      Well, I am insane (Clinical diagnosis include ADD, OCD, PTSD, depression, alcoholism, SAD (and I'm stuck in a shitty northern climate in which no human being should ever be forced to live). And a pair of melanomas, for good measure, to add to the depression.).

      Actually, you just sound lonely, not depressed. Move to a city asap bud. Start a hobby that will help you meet people.

    16. Re:The very same things which make us hate M$... by kripkenstein · · Score: 1

      What is he going to do, round up all the Mac users?

      "Did I say death camps? I meant happy camps."

    17. Re:The very same things which make us hate M$... by killjoe · · Score: 1

      "Ok... Last I checked, Gates is pretty good at compromising."

      Really? You checked that did you?

      "He has his own scholarship, his own charity, and as a person, he is regarded as a very nice person. "

      Why does he have his own scholarship when he could have funded the millions already out there. Why does he have his own charity when he could have funded the millions out there already. I tell you why. Because it's very important to him that his name be attached to those gifts. He needs to reform his image and that of MS. This strategy has worked brilliantly. Every time the topic of MS and it's evilness comes up people immediately point to bill gates charity work as if it was MS that was giving that money away.

      My point is that to bill gates the giving away of the money has a purpose other then just helping people. It's important to him that people associate the money with him and his company. So yes it is all about himself. It's all about convincing you and others like you that he is not some cutthroat criminal who made billions breaking the law and it's worked brilliantly.

      Anyway corporations are not run like democracies and the govt is not a product. Could you imagine if the govt sucked as much as windows. Bill Gates never gets things right the first time. Nothing MS made was any good till version three and you can only get relected once. I certainly don't want govt 1.0 and 2.0 created by Bill Gates.

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    18. Re:The very same things which make us hate M$... by einar2 · · Score: 1

      You obviously live at the end of the food chain.

      Welcome to corporate world where nothing, absolutely nothing, works based on dictatorship. Modern corporations have a very mature idea of leadership. Decisions are created in a fashion that is based on consense and safe checks are built in to control what is going on. Hierarchies are as flat as possible to force people to discuss new ideas before they become implemented.

      I have not seen a governement or an educational institution that was run as efficiently and mature as a bigger corporation. And I do live at a place which has most probably a longer experience in democracy than the place you live in...

    19. Re:The very same things which make us hate M$... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Bush has showed us that ruthless determination isn't such a great trait in a president."

      No, Bush has shown us that -misguided- ruthless determination is a bad trait. Big difference there. If Bush's goals were defense of the US constitution and strengthening the US economy instead of pushing evangelical nonsense & filling his cronies' pockets, he may have well been a good prez.

      "At MS he [Gates] was the dictator, what he said went and anybody who questioned him could be canned."
      Sounds to me like its Steve Jobs youre thinking of.

    20. Re:The very same things which make us hate M$... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gates would make a horrible president because the country is not run like a dictatorship like all companies are.

      I almost fell out of my chair laughing. Government is founded on and depends on the principle of coercion: government is defined as the organization holding the unique "right" to employ coercion as their means within a given territory. That is the ONLY objective, unambiguous way to define government which holds true for all governments, past, present, and future. If government was voluntary, it wouldn't be government. (The "social contract" theory, which essentially claims that individuals volunteer themselves to be subject to coercion, is illogical -- a person cannot volunteer to be subject to coercion, just as he cannot coerce another into volunteering. The two modes of human interaction are opposite and mutually exclusive -- that is, in fact, what gives them meaning.)

      Business, on the other hand, is supposed to be voluntary. However, in today's world of limitless government intervention in what would otherwise be voluntary affairs, the winner is no longer the man (or group) who only wants to provide the best product for the lowest price, i.e. compete on fair grounds -- today, the winner is the man who best knows how to exploit the coercive powers of government. So maybe you aren't too far off when you use the word "dictatorship" to describe corporatism (the merger of government and business) -- however, you are WAY off the mark to imply that government is somehow more voluntary (or "less of a dictatorship") than business. The core prereqisite of government is coercion, and the fact that your rulers are comprised of hundreds of squabbling politicians instead of one iron-fisted dictator does not, in any way, remove the core element of coercion from government.

    21. Re:The very same things which make us hate M$... by binkzz · · Score: 1

      You mean, "reformatting camps".

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    22. Re:The very same things which make us hate M$... by aggiefalcon01 · · Score: 1
      Bush had a compliant congress who were sycophantic to an obscene degree but even then he failed miserably in just about everything he tried.
      Not quite. The congress he had felt very differently than he did about border security (Bush wants lax security, Conservatives don't), and now that the Democrats (who also want lax border security) will control congress, Bush is beside himself with excitement when he talks about working with them on this issue. Frankly, the fact that Bush is looking forward to working with a Democratic congress and happy he no longer has to deal with Republicans is quite strange, yet undeniable.
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    23. Re:The very same things which make us hate M$... by Raenex · · Score: 1
      He donates so much money every year

      He's the richest man in the world. His money was attained via predatory and monopolistic practices. Yes, I'm glad he's willing to give lots of money to charity, but big deal, even the mafia has been known to "give back" to the community.

  82. The future: Evil Bill ok's an evil bill by grolschie · · Score: 1

    < insert drum fill here >

  83. Microsoft Government by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

    The last thing the US needs is another hereditary millionaire president. This time a ("convicted") monopolist, become an unaccountable billionaire. Whose attitude towards security is "keeps the bucks rolling in", and is more comfortable with lying about it than fixing it. Like lying directly to Federal judges deciding whether he's violated consent decrees, or monopoly laws.

    If you want corporate government ("fascism"), elect the guy with the biggest corporation operating the business software monopoly, that routinely threatens foreign governments that interfere with his policies on competition, patents, and anything else standing in the way of his power.

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  84. First initiative... by sd_diamond · · Score: 1

    Well, at least he would be able to fix the healthcare system.

    Just acquire Canada.

    1. Re:First initiative... by swordgeek · · Score: 1

      Oh yeah. Then he could inherit our egalitarian-but-still-broken healthcare system.

      If the US moves up here under Bill or anyone else, you'll suddenly see a whole bunch of passivists taking up arms.

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  85. Uh... by shaneh0 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Build a multi-billion dollar corporation?

    Seriously, if you claim that was just dumb luck, well, don't expect me to respond. There are a million things that could've killed Microsoft (or any company) in its infancy.

    Yes, we can tell you hate microsoft, but lets not discount how difficult it is to build a successful business, let alone the most successful business in its industry.

    1. Re:Uh... by Grishnakh · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Successful? Absolutely. Ethical? Not a bit. Everything Microsoft did in order to gain its "successful" position has been completely ethically bankrupt--unfair competition, shady deals, outright theft (see Stac), the list goes on and on.

      Is Bill smart? Certainly. Probably not that much technically (as is often said, what has he done himself since the Altair days?), but businesswise he's probably better than the very best Mafia dons in being able to barely skirt the law and use every dirty trick he can invent in making his business more successful, no matter who it hurts.

      But the question is, do you really want someone smart, in a criminal way, to run the country? I certainly don't.

      However, it seems we keep electing criminals to office anyway (Bush, Delay, etc.), and our current criminal president is utterly incompetent, so maybe we'd do better with a smart criminal like Bill...

    2. Re:Uh... by Moofie · · Score: 1, Troll

      It doesn't take smarts to build a business, if you're willing to break the law.

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    3. Re:Uh... by God+of+Lemmings · · Score: 2, Funny

      Mod parent Up. He has a point.

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    4. Re:Uh... by ruben.gutierrez · · Score: 4, Insightful

      A criminally smart President doesn't mean a criminal President. It would be a good thing, as long as he could be kept in check. Think about security companies who hire top-notch crackers as consultants. It's because of their criminal (aka street?) smarts. Smart is smart, regardless of the subject.

    5. Re:Uh... by smittyoneeach · · Score: 2, Insightful

      True genius is having your lawbreaking written into the law.
      And, as long as the playing field stays reasonably level, you can have another 230 years of managed corruption to show for it.

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    6. Re:Uh... by idugcoal · · Score: 5, Interesting

      serioulsy off-topic, but only here will you find a 2-point post with a 2-point "mod parent up" post. That's pretty funny.

    7. Re:Uh... by JoshJ · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If I had mod points, I'd be tempted to mod this up for the sheer irony of it.

    8. Re:Uh... by The_Wilschon · · Score: 3, Interesting

      One might suggest that the reason that it is difficult to build a successful business is ethics. Perhaps I'm wrong, I've never performed the experiment of trying to build to separate businesses, one ethically and one like MS. Has anyone else done this and produced some results? How much easier does a complete lack of concern for one's fellow man make business building?

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    9. Re:Uh... by newt0311 · · Score: 1

      I would like to point out that he would have to a lot worse to come to par with any politician in the US gov. He would be more like a welcome change right now. Atleast he knows how to run a business.

    10. Re:Uh... by AlHunt · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      >Mod parent Up. He has a point

      Under his hat, maybe.

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    11. Re:Uh... by Grishnakh · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm not so sure of that. Remember, a fair amount of MS's success has been to being in the right place in the right time, and the rest of their success has been from using that advantage to its fullest, even in contradiction of the law. All their money comes from their cash cows, Windows and Office. All their other ventures have been total money-wasters (though Xbox may finally turn a profit before too long if it hasn't already), and many of their moves have been in the interest of gaining or retaining power rather than improving their bottom line.

      If you want an example of a well-run business, look at IBM, which has been around for a century or so, or at Google, which has products that their customers actually get excited about.

      If Bill ran the USG the way he's run MS, he'd raise taxes and fund all kinds of hairbrained initiatives which would be expensive, poorly thought-out, and would flop. The only thing he'd do well is use the US's dominant position, unethically, to gain more power from the rest of the world, at everyone else's expense, and make the US even more hated than it is now.

    12. Re:Uh... by drsmithy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      [...] outright theft (see Stac), [...]

      Since when is a patent violation "theft" ?

      Besides, I thought we'd all agreed that software patents were bad, mmkay ?

    13. Re:Uh... by Skim123 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      When was our last ethical president in office? Jimmy Carter, maybe. But at least Gates isn't a coke-snorting, drunk, or a shady land deal who uses his power to put interns in questionable positions, or makes backdoor, pre-election day deals with radical Muslims, or secretely bombs countries that we've not gone to war with, and so on. I mean, this century has seen some pretty unethical presidents.

      But what most people forget is that a large part of politics is... politics. Someone who can bring different sides together, who can serve as a spokeperson for the nation, who can pose policy and make the compromises to get it done.

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    14. Re:Uh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is Bill smart?

      It is a lot easier to 'be smart' when you are unencumbered by ethical or moral constraints. But as parent post implies, that kind of cleverness is not what a prudent businessman wants in a business partner, or in a vendor of mission critical components. That prolly isn't the kind of scheming you want going on in the Oval Office, either.

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    15. Re:Uh... by msobkow · · Score: 1
      President Bill Gates couldn't cure in less time than it takes to get a new operating system out the door.

      Given that some features were promised over a decade ago with Chicago/Win95, that is not a comforting thought.

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    16. Re:Uh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      A criminally smart President doesn't mean a criminal President. It would be a good thing, as long as he could be kept in check.

      But then the USA has been having trouble keeping a president with the brains of a chimpanzee in check. C'mon, if Bush can take the USA into an endless war in Iraq because of "weapons of mass destruction", what chance is there of controlling a President who has even half a brain?

      As another poster has indicated, it is a helluvalot easier to be clever when there aren't any moral constraints on your actions. It makes it hard for those who have to think out questions of right and wrong to keep up with your shenanigans.

    17. Re:Uh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You should try to pretend that your not (radically) biased. It would make reading your comments more interesting. This is just short of the guy who wrote that Bill Gates and his entire family should be brutally murdered. That guy was really disturbed, I am betting the two of you have had coffee and long talks...

    18. Re:Uh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Give me a break. This is the worst kind of karma pandering.



      1. "Unfair competition" is something you whine when someone else beats you. There's no such thing, and the idea of applying antitrust laws to intellectual property is laughable.



      2. Shady deals. Meaning...? It's easy to just say "shady deals" but more difficult to define it. Was he convicted of fraud or theft?



      3. Outright theft. Oh please. Apparently software patents are good and noble when it's Microsoft? You people are such hypocrites.



      4. The list goes on and on. With a "list" like this, it could be infinitely long and mean nothing.

    19. Re:Uh... by Hexstream · · Score: 0

      top-notch crackers?...

      Oxymoronic fool ;P

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    20. Re:Uh... by HawaiiPiglet · · Score: 1

      ...after all, what's good for Microsoft is good for the nation! Right, Bill?

      GM's Charlie Wilson displayed the value of that philosophy -- zero! -- so why should we repeat this type of tycoon pol?

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    21. Re:Uh... by syousef · · Score: 1

      Yep that's what your country needs right now: A president that needs to be kept in check. That'll improve your credibility in the worldwide community *roles eyes*. This is what gets modded up these days here?

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    22. Re:Uh... by suggsjc · · Score: 1

      Granted the president has a lot of power, but it takes a lot more than just him to make any of those actions actually happen. So I won't argue that the past century has had its share of "characters" (or people without it), but I don't think you can put all of the blame on any single person for any of those acts (ok, minus the intern one).

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    23. Re:Uh... by 1u3hr · · Score: 1
      do you really want someone smart, in a criminal way, to run the country?

      Just think of Richard Nixon. Extremely smart, very insecure, vicious temper, paranoid. Achieved some foreign policy coups, as realpoltik suited his scheming mind, but morally bankrupt and fatally damaged the trust people felt for their government. Gates has by all accounts perpetrated lots of sleazy scams on his competition and partners. All that would come back to destroy him should he declare -- just imagine Swift Boat Vets For Truth x 20.

    24. Re:Uh... by idugcoal · · Score: 1

      You should try to pretend that your (sic) not a(n) (Anonymous) Coward. It would make reading your comments more interesting. This is just short of the guy who wrote about the guy who wrote that Bill Gates and his entire family...whatever dude. Don't be a coward.

    25. Re:Uh... by advocate_one · · Score: 1
      When was our last ethical president in office? Jimmy Carter, maybe. But at least Gates isn't a coke-snorting, drunk, or a shady land deal who uses his power to put interns in questionable positions, or makes backdoor, pre-election day deals with radical Muslims, or secretely bombs countries that we've not gone to war with, and so on. I mean, this century has seen some pretty unethical presidents.
      This century??? This century has only seen one president proper (and no you don't get to count the one who was in power at the start of 2000)

      Get with the program... we're now in the 21st century, not the 20th

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    26. Re:Uh... by __aawavt7683 · · Score: 1

      I have to disagree... to an extent. Bill gates is/was running Microsoft. I feel he hasn't been into the technology work since the Altair basic days, and even then, many innovations may be attributed to other members of his team (of... him and one other person, I believe) rather than to Gates. So, Bill Gates may have done nothing aside from:

      Gates is an exceptional business man. He seems to know how and when to get the best deal, and put himself on top. He used this for Microsoft at the beginning, at the expense of other people.

      Unfortunately, I'm certainly a bit like this... I'm perfectly willing to pump myself up at the expense of other businesses -- so long as I don't drive the human constituents into the ground. If I can build my fortune, I can do as Gates is now:

      Gates is giving his fortune away. He's created the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation, a _charity_, and is giving away a great deal of money to help people and organizations advance themselves. This, in my mind, is a _very_ good thing, and given the wealth and power of the United States (as it is generally perceived), I'd be curious to see the good he could perform.

      I don't think Bill is evil.. if anything, he was very unethical and still may be very unethical, but he seems to be working towards good. If we look beyond Microsoft, he may just be accomplishing something.

      -DrkShadow

    27. Re:Uh... by Saint+Fnordius · · Score: 1

      Neither does George w. Bush. His oil companies were known for digging lots of holes where there wasn't any oil, and then getting bought up (and swept under the carpet) by his father's friends.

    28. Re:Uh... by Saint+Fnordius · · Score: 1

      Right. It's time we stopped calling it theft when it's more akin to trespassing. That is, after all, where the word infringement come from.

    29. Re:Uh... by jandersen · · Score: 1

      I don't think it does. Lack of ethical standards and concern for other people - business partners included - may give a short term advantage, but business is very much about trust: the trust of your customers, shareholders, employees and business partners. As much as our society nowadays is dominated by braindead consumerism, where people will buy anything if it is cheap and shiny, I think you would only buy a crappy product from a untrustworthy company once; even Microsoft wouldn't have survived if they hadn't at least to some extent delivered what people wanted and been minimally reliable, even if it is only 'thieves' honour'.

      There are in fact a growing number of companies, especially in Europe, who have found that a good ethical record makes very good business sense. Because:

      - when you treat your employees well, they are more willing to go all out for the comapny and generally produce better quality
      - when you treat the competition fairly you win respect; and in the real world competitors are often business partners as well
      - when you treat your customers well, they come back next time
      - when you show social responsibility, it improves your image

      - and so on and on.

    30. Re:Uh... by rucs_hack · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm in an odd position. I respect Bill gates for his achievements, but dislike Microsoft as it stands (and cannot beleive Ballmer is in chanrge, wtf's up with that?). Barely anyone remembers that Microsoft were once the good guys saving us from the evils of IBM and Unix (back when unix was a million flavors, and they were all damn expensive, before the wonder that is Linux).

      Bill is a shark. If he took his business abilities, which are somewhat fearsome, and turned them to politics, then interesting things could result. Look what happened when he turned to Charity, the biggest infusion of private funds into charitable works *in* *history*.

      However, is that really what America needs? I don't think so, not right now. Incidentally England was run by businessmen in the 18th and 19th century. The empire wasn't about glory, it was about profit. We did rather well out of it, even though people try and pretend that england was some kind of holy democracy. Remember the Suiz Canal Crisis? Think the motivation was political? Hell no, it was pure business reasoning. Ok it went badly for us, but that was because the climate had changed. The same reasoning had made us the most powerful nation on the planet, but its time had passed.

      The fact is that at certain points in history, businessmen have been the right people to run things.

      Remember that War of independence you had? Who were the initial group that started it all. Politicians? Nope, Businessmen....

      Who were the people who did the most to ensure America's technological dominance and ultimate victory in WWII? Businessmen. When politicians make war armaments decisions entirely you get bad decisions, History showed this clearly. For example, the UK's war spending and research was almost entirely government controlled. That's why we rejected the Jet until the war was almost over. Would a businessman have done that? Oh hell no.

    31. Re:Uh... by giorgiofr · · Score: 1

      So basically he is chaotic good?

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    32. Re:Uh... by lucychili · · Score: 1

      or..
      he is investing in collecting health patents with the kind of entity that doesnt attract taxes.

    33. Re:Uh... by Capt+James+McCarthy · · Score: 1

      "However, it seems we keep electing criminals to office anyway (Bush, Delay, etc.), and our current criminal president is utterly incompetent, so maybe we'd do better with a smart criminal like Bill..."

      Wait, wait...so your saying that Clinton wasn't unethical? How about this, you don't get to be that powerful without stepping on people, and it doesn't matter what party you hail from. Doesn't that sound more realistic? Every single one of those people want the political positions for one reason or another, and most of the time it isn't 'to help serve the public.' More often then not it is to keep their own pockets lined.

      So Gates gives up his slot at M$. Big deal. Let me know when he has sold all of his M$ stock so there won't be any Presidential Directive that all Government systems will run Windows. Bill is
      no dummy when it comes to making money, but if anyone thinks that a great CEO can make a good political leader, they are mistaken. Just like a Military General really has not made a good President either. Different type of leadership qualities that are needed for each I'm afraid.

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    34. Re:Uh... by Capt+James+McCarthy · · Score: 1

      "Look what happened when he turned to Charity, the biggest infusion of private funds into charitable works *in* *history*."

      No doubt he's slick. It's about control for Bill. He didn't want to give billions in taxes to the Govt, so he created a charity that he is in control of and then gets others to give him their money as well. Brilliant! Who needs to charge taxes when folks willingly give you money. He's created another body of influence/control for himself. Bill can go to school/city/state/country/ethnic group and say to them "I'll have my charity buy you 10s of millions of dollars worth of M$ products." The folks recieving it are happy cause it's free, and are willing to do what Bill want's because of the donation, and Bill gets the returns from the charity purchasing M$/any wholly-owned M$ subsidiary products. He's got his own cycle of money and influence. Brilliant.

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    35. Re:Uh... by rucs_hack · · Score: 1

      indeed. That is how power works, not just for him, but for everyone.

      Money==influence. This has been a constant since money existed. And he need not give to charity, he could set his family up as a powerful dynasty that honestly could be the most influential family in history, certainly the richest, which frankly is the same thing, but he hasn't.

      Of course some people will try to make the charitable donations look bad, no matter what, except perhaps the recipients.

    36. Re:Uh... by kjart · · Score: 3, Insightful

      One might suggest that the reason that it is difficult to build a successful business is ethics. Perhaps I'm wrong, I've never performed the experiment of trying to build to separate businesses, one ethically and one like MS. Has anyone else done this and produced some results? How much easier does a complete lack of concern for one's fellow man make business building?

      I'm sorry, but since when is Bill Gates some sort of evil supervillain? It's one thing to complain about strongarm, monopolistic business practices and quite another to claim he has a "complete lack of concern for one's fellow man". I know this is Slashdot, but I find it hard to believe that what you typed is actually something other than parody of the groupthink.

      Is Bill Gates a cutthroat business man? Yes, he is, like many, many people out there (though more successful than most). Does this make him some sort of monster? No, it certainly does not, and I believe his philanthropy can attest to that as well.

    37. Re:Uh... by Shaper_pmp · · Score: 2, Informative

      You have spent six years failing to "keep in check" a president with the brains of a concussed chicken.

      You want to elect an evil genius, on the basis that while he might be evil, the genius part would be great if you can keep him in check?

      Prove your democracy's "checks and balances" can handle something as dangerous as a baby's rattle without fucking up international politics, then maybe we'll look at getting you that really handy assault rifle, mmmkay?

      "Smart is smart, regardless of the subject."

      Yes, but you have to ensure the subject remains "how can I best promote freedom and benefit this country and the people in it", and stop it changing to "how can I get as rich as possible, while still forcing the little people to do my bidding".

      Again, if you can't do this with an unintelligible mumbling fool, you really, really don't want to elect Dr Evil and trust him to act in the common good.

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    38. Re:Uh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lawful evil.

    39. Re:Uh... by wingslikeshieldsofst · · Score: 1

      Brilliant parent! Concussed chickens, baby's rattles and unintelligible mumbling fools...

    40. Re:Uh... by MickDownUnder · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think everything Microsoft has done has been completely ethical within the context of the global corporate system.

      Breaking agreements, or acting upon an agreement that is inconsistent with the original spirit of the agreement is part and parcel of modern business practices. It's purely about the bottom line. If a corporate believes there is an advantage out of acting in a manner inconsistent with an agreement, than it will cost them in terms of possible law suits and litigation, then of course they are going to do the "unethical thing" and make a stack of money out of it.

      This sort of stuff goes on all the time, as I write this I'm sure some company out there has just done something to shaft another for it's own advantage.

      I really don't care about one company shafting another. I save my outrage over these sorts of practices for cases where a corporate is acting like this with the full knowledge that the harm that is inflicted is not just on some other corporate, but on real people. By this I don't mean financial harm but real bodily harm or death. E.g. Like companies that market products that they know may be harmful, or companies that corrupt political systems bringing civil disorder, starvation and/or war for corporate profit.

      We all know this sort of stuff actually goes on. Microsoft hasn't been guilty of anything like this, so why focus your wrath on them?

      In terms of Bill's ethics, I think in some ways especially in recent years he has acted far more ethically than most of his peers. His charity work is truely outstanding.

      Before anyone goes on about how much Microsoft didn't deserve to make the money that they have made, they should think about the money currently going towards curing 3rd world diseases and improving 3rd world education, curteousy of Bill, which otherwise might have end up being used to worsen conditions in the 3rd world, as many corporates do.

    41. Re:Uh... by MECC · · Score: 1

      A criminally smart President doesn't mean a criminal President.

      Yes, actually, it does. They're criminals because they don't 'keep it in check', and don't care about much except not getting caught.

      If BG did become president and you work in IT, you can kiss any hope of a raise during his term goodbye. He won't, though, because he probably could never get the bible-kook neocon vote. They want someone who thinks the earth is 6500 years old, that 'their' god made everything up, everyone else's religion is wrong, and that the tooth fairy rewards kids who don't brush their teeth. And they all vote together.

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    42. Re:Uh... by The+Benefactor · · Score: 4, Funny

      I have, I'll get right on it... oh, er, whoops!

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      To err is human, to arr is pirate.
    43. Re:Uh... by kabocox · · Score: 1

      Successful? Absolutely. Ethical? Not a bit. Everything Microsoft did in order to gain its "successful" position has been completely ethically bankrupt--unfair competition, shady deals, outright theft (see Stac), the list goes on and on.

      Is Bill smart? Certainly. Probably not that much technically (as is often said, what has he done himself since the Altair days?), but businesswise he's probably better than the very best Mafia dons in being able to barely skirt the law and use every dirty trick he can invent in making his business more successful, no matter who it hurts.

      But the question is, do you really want someone smart, in a criminal way, to run the country? I certainly don't.


      You just made Bill Gates seem like the perfect option for president. Bill wouldn't pass any radically new laws while in office. Bill would re-org what he can. Bill plays and bends the existing rules as far as he can. Our last couple of presidents have done a thing or two that folks don't think was quite legal. I'd feel better about myself knowing that Bill will stay within the legal bounds, but may be breaking the ethics or spirit of the rules as long as he gets results. There is a part of me that would like nearly any business man to be President for two terms rather than politicans.

    44. Re:Uh... by ruben.gutierrez · · Score: 1

      I don't see what this post has anything to do with anything I said. What's with the roles eyes bit? You can't convey your snotty attitude through words?

    45. Re:Uh... by zenyu · · Score: 2, Informative


      [...] outright theft (see Stac), [...]


      Since when is a patent violation "theft" ?

      Besides, I thought we'd all agreed that software patents were bad, mmkay ?


      It was the clear copyright infingement that riled most people.

      Microsoft copy-n-pasted the code!

      Also, it was a depressing to see how badly our legal system handled the infraction, Stac was killed causing everyone there to lose their jobs and breaking up a good development team. The only relief was a few hundred million dollars for the investors in the company, much of which went to their lawyers. Stac probably would have become a multi-billion dollar company and today we might all have faster disk access through a clever mix of compression and better filesystems.

      Of course copyright infringement isn't theft either. Stac might have survived if the management had thought more about keeping the operation going than worrying about the Microsoft lawsuit. They could have handed over the lawsuit handling to a few trusted people and gotten a good cash infusion down the road to help launch a future product. Instead news reports at the time indicated that they freaked out and then missplaced their business thinking caps.

    46. Re:Uh... by ruben.gutierrez · · Score: 1

      I haven't spent six years doing anything of the sort. And, I didn't say I wanted to elect Bill Gates for President. I was responding to the parent poster who said they wouldn't want a criminally smart President. I argued that having a criminally smart President (maybe the "kept in check" part was misleading) wasn't necessarily a bad thing. Know your enemy and all that, right?

    47. Re:Uh... by 14CharUsername · · Score: 1

      Yeah we should just do away with this democracy thing and let the richest businessmen run everything. That will solve all of the worlds problems because the businessmen know best.

      And the UK should have just given all their resources to the businessmen in WWII. Because that strategy has worked so well for the US in the Iraq war hasn't it?

      I think the UK was better off with propeller driven spitfires in the Battle of Britain than waiting five years for that era's Bill Gates to develop Jet-powered Spitfire Vista(tm). But then I'm not a businessman so what do I know?

    48. Re:Uh... by ruben.gutierrez · · Score: 1

      I don't see how a criminally smart President leads to a criminal President. Just because I know how a criminal thinks, doesn't mean I'm a criminal. You're confused because you say that a criminally smart President definitely means the President will be a criminal. But, then you say criminals are the way they are because they don't "keep it in check" (whatever "it" is). So which is it? Criminals are criminals because they're criminally smart or because they don't keep "it" in check? Another thing, I don't understand how the President has any say in whether or not I get a raise while working in IT. Based on the rest of your comment, you have some real issues.

    49. Re:Uh... by ruben.gutierrez · · Score: 1

      How is the term "top-notch cracker" an oxymoron? Do you even know what an oxymoron is?

    50. Re:Uh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      If Bill ran the USG the way he's run MS, he'd raise taxes and fund all kinds of hairbrained initiatives which would be expensive, poorly thought-out, and would flop. The only thing he'd do well is use the US's dominant position, unethically, to gain more power from the rest of the world, at everyone else's expense, and make the US even more hated than it is now.
      So, looks like he would be running on the Republican ticket...
    51. Re:Uh... by Damastus+the+WizLiz · · Score: 1

      The simple fact here is that his politics are questionable. As it stands americans complain about GW being too much for big buisness. How is it going to be under a man who has worked hard to create the great american monopoly? Can you see open source going anywhere when the president is pushing initiatives for Microsoft products in all levels of government? Let alone the legislation he would probably put forth for RIAA and MPAA. You think DRM is a pain now.
      I have nothing against having a buisness man as president. Hell it might might get the budget fixed. What I do have a problem with is someone who has built a company on restricting choices running a country that is supposed to be all about choices.

      --
      I often have trouble remembering which way is out of bed in the morning.
    52. Re:Uh... by neuralnoise · · Score: 1

      >The only thing he'd do well is use the US's dominant position, unethically, to gain more power from the rest of the world, at everyone else's expense, and make the US even more hated than it is now.

      In other words, it would be politics as usual...

    53. Re:Uh... by Skim123 · · Score: 1

      Agreed, but it's hard to imagine that a lot of these things could go down without presidential approval. Or to put it another way, if the president put his foot down, it wouldn't have happened. E.g., if JFK had said, unilaterally, "We are NOT going to invade Cuba!", would a Bay of Pigs invasion still occurred? If Nixon had said, "We will, under no circumstances, bomb Cambodia," would bombs have fallen? And so on and so on. There's plenty of blame to go around, sure, but the buck stops at the president, IMO.

      --

      I could not justify my existence if I were a turkey farmer. Would I terminate myself? Undoubtably, yes.

    54. Re:Uh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ruben said, "A criminally smart President doesn't mean a criminal President.".

      Just a reminder...

      The last criminally smart US President, Bill "BJ" Clinton, and the one before him, Richard "Dick" Nixon, were criminals. Your hypothesis doesn't hold water, unfortunately.

    55. Re:Uh... by The_Wilschon · · Score: 1

      I was intending to refer only to business ethics, rather than person-to-person interactions, or even philanthropy. The strongarm, monopolistic business practices are precisely what I intended to talk about. These do harm individuals, however, so I think my remark about lack of concern for others stands. Obviously, the man does manage to live a reasonably normal life, and he does engage in philanthropy (although high profile people engaging in philanthropy purely because it improves their image is not at all unheard of, some might even say it is common.). But, other businesses that have been harmed or destroyed do mean that some people's livelihoods have gone down the drain. Stifling innovation and holding back OS development prevents good changes from coming about that might have made the difference for a large number of people between being successful (using all kinds of meanings of the word successful, not soley monetarily) and not being successful. I say that failure to consider the eventual consequences of the aforementioned strongarm, monopolistic business practices does show a lack of concern for others. Oh and yes, I would apply this to people other than Mr. Gates as well.

      The notion of scarcity from economics means that when you get ahead, you're pushing someone else down. Even getting ahead by discovering a gold mine in your backyard will cause a slight drop in the overall value of gold, and so everyone else who currently has gold will find that they have ever so slightly less money than they did before. So, when looked at in that light, any kind of greed is necessarily a lack of concern for those around you, or worse, an active desire to see them fall. Of course, there are other factors to take into consideration, otherwise this line of reasoning would take us directly to communism, which I'm not intentionally advocating.

      --
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      wait... not that kind of sig.
    56. Re:Uh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      uses his power to put interns in questionable positions

      It does not excuse Clinton one bit, but he didn't do that. She pursued him and probably wouldn't have successed except the White House staft was on unpaid leave thanks to a do nothing congress.

    57. Re:Uh... by syousef · · Score: 1

      You said Gates would be fine if kept in check. I said you don't need a president that needs to be kept in check. How can you then claim not to understand what my post has to do with yours? Are you obtuse? What's so unclear about that? Don't blame me for your inability to comprehend.

      As for how I "convey" my "snotty attitude" I'll do that however I choose. In any case only one of us is displaying a "snotty atittude".

      --
      These posts express my own personal views, not those of my employer
    58. Re:Uh... by that+this+is+not+und · · Score: 1

      It's an oxymoron because even the best 'cracker' is still just 'used gum on the bottom of the theatre seat.'

    59. Re:Uh... by ruben.gutierrez · · Score: 1

      I didn't actually say Gates would be fine. I said a criminally smart President would be fine. I was commenting on the previous post in the thread, which had concerns about a criminally smart President.

    60. Re:Uh... by ruben.gutierrez · · Score: 1

      Oh, I see, your opinion of crackers makes it an oxymoron. Well, there you go. I never knew oxymorons could be so subjective. So, if I'm a religious zealot, and I don't believe in science, the phrase "great scientist" becomes an oxymoron. Hey, I may be an idiot, but I'm an educated idiot.

    61. Re:Uh... by drsmithy · · Score: 1

      Microsoft copy-n-pasted the code!

      According to the information I can locate, it was a patent infringement case. I haven't seen anything reliable that talks about copying source code (which would be copyright infringement).

      Also, it was a depressing to see how badly our legal system handled the infraction, Stac was killed causing everyone there to lose their jobs and breaking up a good development team. The only relief was a few hundred million dollars for the investors in the company, much of which went to their lawyers. Stac probably would have become a multi-billion dollar company and today we might all have faster disk access through a clever mix of compression and better filesystems.

      Stac were killed by plummeting storage prices. Why would any sane person want to use risky compression (especially the whole-volume-in-a-file approach that Stacker and Stacker-like used) when they could just buy a bigger drive. Even in their heyday, programs like SuperStor and Stacker weren't _widely_ used.

      I bought Stacker. I even bought the version that came with the compression coprocessor ISA card. In the days when a 100 meg hard disk was "big" and a 386 processor "blazingly fast" it had a real purpose. But it was still an ugly and fragile kludge and the writing was already well and truly on the wall even as Microsoft was putting Double/Drivespace into DOS.

      Similar disk compression schemes went the same way, for the same reason. Even the NTFS file compression in Windows (which is implemented far more intelligently and less kludgily) is rarely used. Why would you bother, when hard disks are so cheap ?

    62. Re:Uh... by zenyu · · Score: 1

      According to the information I can locate, it was a patent infringement case. I haven't seen anything reliable that talks about copying source code (which would be copyright infringement).

      They were caught because of the copyright infringement, you could see the Stacker strings in the win.exe with a simple text search. But they blamed this on a rogue programmer and the law is unfortunately much stronger for the plaintif in a patent case than a copyright case. The rogue programmer theory is believable to me at least, they had poached some talent from Stacker for staggering $$$ and they were presumably under a lot of pressure to deliver, and Microsoft was late on it's release deadline. I could see this slipping past their code review process, whatever it was at the time. They've only been caught infringing on copyright a handful of times and AFAIK in all cases except for the Stacker incident they had either hired outside contractors to write the code, or they had bought another company and a programmer they didn't hire themselves was the culprit, or code they had licensed for a limited time was still in the codebase after the license expired. In a company as large as and as prominent a target as Microsoft they seem to have relatively few slipups wrt copyright infringement.

      Patents are another matter, there isn't a human being over the age of five that hasn't violated a number of patents. Ghandi was right, all patents should go the way of the patent on table salt.

      Stac were killed by plummeting storage prices. Why would any sane person want to use risky compression (especially the whole-volume-in-a-file approach that Stacker and Stacker-like used) when they could just buy a bigger drive.

      For the same reason that 95% of my 1.5 Terrabytes of data is compressed maybe? Disks are cheaper than ever, but they are still slow. Processors are relatively fast and can decompress the data quickly.

      Even the NTFS file compression in Windows (which is implemented far more intelligently and less kludgily) is rarely used. Why would you bother, when hard disks are so cheap ?

      See above. I don't use Microsoft Windows, but my impression is that this is something you have to enable for each directory you want to compress. A smart implementation would figure out which files would benefit on the speed of access metric from compression and would compress those files as a low priority background process. Most of my data is in a data specific compressed format, those files would not benefit from compression, but raw pictures from my cameras would, as would wav files from my audio captures.. To address the multiplied data loss from a single (or multiple) block failure all you need to do is add some FEC w/reordering, this would make the compressed files more reliable than the uncompressed ones.

    63. Re:Uh... by that+this+is+not+und · · Score: 1

      If you 'believe in science' rather than understanding it is an ongoing process where there will never be complete certainty about anything, yes, you are just an educated idiot.

    64. Re:Uh... by ruben.gutierrez · · Score: 1

      What happened to our discussion on oxymorons? I guess it's turned into a one-sided debate.

    65. Re:Uh... by MECC · · Score: 1

      (whatever "it" is)

      You and Bill Clinton seem to have the same problem with the word 'it'. It was a futile argument when he used it, and it is when you use it. Oh sorry, that sentence had the word 'it' in it four times, with no explicit definition. Oh damnit, I did it again. Okay, the 'i' word won't show up in this sentence. But maybe in others. Whatever "in" means.

      I don't understand how the President has any say in whether or not I get a raise while working in IT

      Because BG has publicly stated that if he could change laws he would remove the H1b visa cap. By flooding the US labor market with very cheap labor, wages would drop. You do the math.

      you have some real issues.

      Ad hominem is all but formally admitting you're wrong.

      --
      "We are all geniuses when we dream"
      - E.M. Cioran
    66. Re:Uh... by Per+Abrahamsen · · Score: 1

      > What happened to our discussion on oxymorons?

      The oxy's left early.

    67. Re:Uh... by drsmithy · · Score: 1

      They were caught because of the copyright infringement, you could see the Stacker strings in the win.exe with a simple text search.

      Evidence ? Because none of the links I discovered (including court documents) - nor my memory from when it was actually happening - support your assertion.

      (Not to mention "Stacker strings" wouldn't have any reason to be in "win.exe", but I suspect you were just using that as a random example of a Microsoft OS file).

      For the same reason that 95% of my 1.5 Terrabytes of data is compressed maybe?

      Damn. Brave man.

      Disks are cheaper than ever, but they are still slow. Processors are relatively fast and can decompress the data quickly.

      I've heard this claim before, but I've never actually seen any data to support it (for the general case). Certainly my anecdotal experience would suggest any such benefit is imperceptible in general usage.

      See above. I don't use Microsoft Windows, but my impression is that this is something you have to enable for each directory you want to compress.

      It's a file attribute. If you want to compress a whole directory (or disk) just set it at the top level and the permission will be inherited.

      A smart implementation would figure out which files would benefit on the speed of access metric from compression and would compress those files as a low priority background process. Most of my data is in a data specific compressed format, those files would not benefit from compression, but raw pictures from my cameras would, as would wav files from my audio captures.. To address the multiplied data loss from a single (or multiple) block failure all you need to do is add some FEC w/reordering, this would make the compressed files more reliable than the uncompressed ones.

      I'm still sceptical of the purported performance improvements.

    68. Re:Uh... by that+this+is+not+und · · Score: 1

      No. You won. I was just cleaning up and establishing some facts.

    69. Re:Uh... by ruben.gutierrez · · Score: 1

      I just found it funny that you referred to the President as "it", rather than "him/her". And, I doubt the sky would fall if Bill Gates removed the H1b visa cap (admittedly, I have no knowledge of this, nor do I care). Okay, so the "issues" comment was a bit out of line. It's still my opinion.

    70. Re:Uh... by ruben.gutierrez · · Score: 1

      Yet, you're still here.

    71. Re:Uh... by Per+Abrahamsen · · Score: 1

      Yeah, you and me both :-)

    72. Re:Uh... by zenyu · · Score: 1

      Evidence ? Because none of the links I discovered (including court documents) - nor my memory from when it was actually happening - support your assertion.

      Do you have a DOS 6.2 around the matching Windows 3.xx? Start with "grep Stac /* /*/* /*/*/*"
      DOS 6.22 won't work.. it was "cleansed". The patent suit allowed Stac to prevent MS-DOS from being distributed to the public until the problem was addressed.

      I believe the string in win.exe was an error message; it was all over the internet at the time, but I just tried google and can't find it now. The web just starting back when this story was current so I'm not so surprised by this. Maybe you can find more info in a Nexis search...

      You might also want to read Andrew Schulman's article in Dr Dobbs, May 1994...

      BTW I'm not sure why you are still interested in this case, Microsoft has committed much worse offences against our nation's economic health than the Stacker incident. It's also going to be difficult to research since people like me have forgotten the details. But if you want to research this it's best to just get your hands on the executables. You can then break up the stacker binaries into snippets and search for those snippets in the Microsoft binaries, you can also run a decompiler and repeat, which may find more matches. You can also interview the expert witnesses in the case, they probably have notes on the facts that didn't show up in the lawsuit and can now talk about it.

    73. Re:Uh... by MECC · · Score: 1

      Well, I don't think the sky would fall either - just IT wages in the US. It could end up being as good as it might be bad.

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      "We are all geniuses when we dream"
      - E.M. Cioran
    74. Re:Uh... by drsmithy · · Score: 1

      Do you have a DOS 6.2 around the matching Windows 3.xx? Start with "grep Stac /* /*/* /*/*/*"

      I do, in fact, keep old DOS VMs around. Being a curious kind of bloke, I though I'd give it a try.

      According to strings(1) and grep(1), the only files that have references to 'stac' or 'stacker' are MSBACKDB.OVL, MWAVABSI.DLL, Readme.txt, SETVER.EXE and SMARTMON.EXE - none of which are at all suspicious. In particular, the obvious locations for actual Stacker code to be - COMMAND.COM, DBLSPACE.BIN, IO.SYS and MSDOS.SYS - don't have any such references. Neither did Windows 3.1's win.com, for that matter.

      But if you want to research this it's best to just get your hands on the executables. You can then break up the stacker binaries into snippets and search for those snippets in the Microsoft binaries, you can also run a decompiler and repeat, which may find more matches.

      Maybe. But given that a) my recollection of the case, b) all the available evidence (including court documents and usenet discussions) online and c) the preliminary test you suggested all turned up zero support of copyright infringement, I'm going to have to call shennannigans on it.

    75. Re:Uh... by Shaper_pmp · · Score: 1

      My point remains:

      What makes you think a "criminal genius" president is remotely, or in any way a good idea?

      What you're basically arguing for is for someone smarter than you. Fine - vote in someone smarter than you... although good luck with that, as whole swathes of America are traditionally frightened and sneery of "intellectuals".

      What I don't understand is, given you (as a country) already refuse to vote in anyone "smart", why do you think voting in someone intelligent and evil is like a good idea?

      "Smart" goes without saying. "Evil" is fucking stupid, especially if they're cleverer than you.

      "Evil but dumb" gives you at least a chance of keeping them in check. "Evil and cleverer than you" virtually ensures they'd be able to do whatever they wanted.

      --
      Everything in moderation, including moderation itself
    76. Re:Uh... by ruben.gutierrez · · Score: 1

      You're point does remain... invalid. You're assuming that someone with "criminal genius" always intends to use it for evil. And, I'm saying that regardless of their intentions, someone who can think like a criminal would not necessarily be a bad thing. How the fuck do you think law enforcement investigates crimes? By thinking like criminals, that's how! That's why I said, "Know your enemy..." What do you think this is fucking Superman, and I'm suggesting Lex Luthor for President? I'm not even suggesting Bill Gates. All I said was a President with criminal smarts (which does not imply criminal tendencies), would not necessarily be a bad thing.

    77. Re:Uh... by Shaper_pmp · · Score: 1

      Ah - I see what you were getting at now.

      I took "A criminally smart President doesn't mean a criminal President" to mean a president with criminal intentions (ie, "criminally smart") doesn't have to be able to successfully break the law ("become a criminal President")... which was reinforced by your later point about keeping him in check.

      What you actually meant was someone who knows how criminals think ("criminally smart") doesn't actually have to act criminally, right?

      Fair point, then... but I still think this qualifies them more for work in law-enforcement than law-making. I'd want a president who was politically, diplomatically and economically smart, rather than criminally, per se.

      I think we're both agreed, though, that a criminal president with the brains of a concussed chicken is something neither of us want, right? ;-)

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      Everything in moderation, including moderation itself
  86. Quote by matt+me · · Score: 1

    Can't remember for the life of me who said this.. someone very rich and powerful was offered a throne / the opportunity to run for election. They replied "why should i step down?"

  87. Why not? by Wylfing · · Score: 2

    I admit to not having read a great deal of the comments so far. I assume there are the usual high temperatures.

    What I want to post about, though, is that this is not a bad idea. I don't care what you think about Bill or Microsoft, there is one thing that is indisputable: Bill (and by extension MS under Bill) is fantastic as the underdog. Look at the evidence, the history. Whenever Bill has been the low man he has always shone and come out on top.

    Now, for our Rush audience, it might be necessary to say it, the U.S.A. is in an underdog position right now. We have a gigantic amount of things we need to dig out from underneath of. We need to get back to our more respectable levels of performance. Plus, our William is more-or-less politically unaligned. He'd essentially have to run as a 3rd party -- another underdog situation for him to triumph over, which, as we know, he excels at. Also he has the large-scale management experience necessary for the job.

    So we have a man who is godly when put in the exact position demanded here, and has the experience and charisma required to make it happen (seriously, Bill is a geek but he is capable of motivating people to his point of view). Why would we not want to have him as President?

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  88. Arnie and Jessie by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

    After all, Arnold Schwatzenegger and Jesse Ventura both won state governorships primarily on name recognition.

    Arnie also married into the Kennedy clan and had all their connections and advisors available. (R's noticed, during his first victory celebration, that virtually all the people on the stage were D's. B-) Notice his politics since... He's now the most extreme high-profile R.I.N.O. in the country.)

    Jessie was a Seal (or UDT if you want to get picky). You may not be aware of it but these guys are generally off-the-chart geniuses, as well as being highly trained on rapidly organizing teams and using them in stress situations - with opposition to be defeated, attirition, and political ramifications.

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    1. Re:Arnie and Jessie by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Maybe we should vote for Michael Biehn for President.

      He was in the Terminator movies with Arnold, and he played a SEAL in The Abyss and Navy Seals....

    2. Re:Arnie and Jessie by Warshadow · · Score: 1

      Jessie was a Seal (or UDT if you want to get picky). You may not be aware of it but these guys are generally off-the-chart geniuses, as well as being highly trained on rapidly organizing teams and using them in stress situations - with opposition to be defeated, attirition, and political ramifications.

      Jessue Ventura for president!

    3. Re:Arnie and Jessie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's now the most extreme high-profile R.I.N.O. in the country.

      The R.I.N.O. thing cracks me up. To me it seems that 90% of the Republican party are R.I.N.O.s, but I knew that fiscal restraint and limited governemnt talk was all B.S. and just a way to get ahold of the purse strings and the guns. You didn't?

  89. Ballmer for VP! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Whatever it takes to keep those two away from MSFT! :)

  90. He still has to WANT to run... by mark-t · · Score: 1

    So unless he actually announces that he's going to run, an impossibly unlikely situation, it's impossible for him to become president, even if every person in the US would vote for him (which in itself is yet another impossibility).

    Hmm... just 3 more impossible things and we could round it off with breakfast lunch or dinner at Milliways.

    1. Re:He still has to WANT to run... by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Actually, he would be unless he refused to take the oath.

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    2. Re:He still has to WANT to run... by mark-t · · Score: 1

      My point was that he has to _WANT_ to run in the first place. The current US voting system does not recognize votes for people other than those with names on the ballot, so unless _HE_ announces an intent to run, there's no possible way for it to happen.

    3. Re:He still has to WANT to run... by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1
      So unless he actually announces that he's going to run, an impossibly unlikely situation, it's impossible for him to become president, even if every person in the US would vote for him (which in itself is yet another impossibility).
      So you are saying that the Diebold voting machines don't run Windows?
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    4. Re:He still has to WANT to run... by mark-t · · Score: 1

      No, I'm just saying that the presidential voting system currently in existence in the US does not acknowledge votes for people whose names don't show up on a ballot.

    5. Re:He still has to WANT to run... by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      [My Comment]
      -------
      [Your head]

      To be fair, it was not a very good joke ... Your point that even the fixing of an election via electronic voting machines would not qualify him negates my jocularity, assuming that is true. Are you saying that there is no such thing as a "write in" candidate for the POTUS? That wouldn't surprise me, save the small amount of surprise I feel.

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      Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
  91. I for one by TranscendentalAnarch · · Score: 1

    welcome our new species assimilating, bloated operating system releasing, megalomaniacal overlords.

  92. What would that do ... by winomonkey · · Score: 1

    What would that do to the department of homeland security? Would our borders be more secure? Would TSA security make you pass through seven checkpoints instead of one? Would we all need performance upgrades to be able to cope with the new government?

    And these are the questions we must ask ourselves..

  93. And Richard Stallman for VP ... by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

    Just to balance the ticket. B-)

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  94. Why would he? by Infernal+Device · · Score: 1

    All comments about monopolies, anti-trust, etc. aside, why would Bill Gates bother? He's got more influence where he is now.

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    "My God...it's full of trolls!"
  95. I wouldn't hesatate to vote for him. by bill_kress · · Score: 1

    or really anyone who understands engineering and responsibility.

    GWB Couldn't last a week in any engineering capacity--not just because he is an absolute idiot, but because he has no concept of responsibility, honesty, fairness, ethics, or any of another hundred positive values.

    Not that all engineers are great at all areas, but--well for instance.

    Could you imagine someone with significant engineering experience going into a project without defining how the project ends? That's a first time consulting mistake that you never make again. Engineers tend to be a little more logical about how we go through things... When you learn coding you don't only learn how to write code, you learn to examine the different paths that each decision can take. We may not practice it every day at home, but when we are at work, we generally make logical decisions based on the information we have.

    And honestly, I'd love to get anyone in there who hadn't been beaten down by the entire political process. Someone who hasn't been around so long that they consider lying an imperative and so normal that it's not even an issue (like Bush lying about Rumsfield before the election, then afterwards admitting without shame that he lied). These are our servants, To hide information by lying in order to effect the political process IS TREASON, period.

    So yeah, I'd vote for him, campaign for him, whatever it takes.

    1. Re:I wouldn't hesatate to vote for him. by bunions · · Score: 1

      GWB Couldn't last a week in any engineering capacity--not just because he is an absolute idiot, but because he has no concept of responsibility, honesty, fairness, ethics


      ok, and which of these qualities do you contend Gates posesses? I might buy 'responsibility,' but after that you'll have an argument on your hands.
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    2. Re:I wouldn't hesatate to vote for him. by shermozle · · Score: 1

      GWB Couldn't last a week in any engineering capacity--not just because he is an absolute idiot, but because he has no concept of responsibility, honesty, fairness, ethics, or any of another hundred positive values.Sounds like most of the project managers and sales people I've ever worked with.

    3. Re:I wouldn't hesatate to vote for him. by swordgeek · · Score: 1

      So my first thought is this: If Bush's behaviour is treason (and as an outside observer, I tend to agree), then what are you personally doing about it? Have you phoned your federal representative? Have you tried to get a motion of impeachment started?

      In short, it ain't treason if the populace doesn't hold you accountable.

      Secondly, Bill has done everything that Bush has, except acted out of fear. He has lied, cheated, swindled, and stolen. His realm is money, Bush's is world power. Not a lot of difference.

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    4. Re:I wouldn't hesatate to vote for him. by bill_kress · · Score: 1

      I just think he posses the basic qualities that all humans who haven't been through our political process have. Could be wrong.

      Now that I think about it, he is planning on leaving his kids $10m each and giving the rest to charity, that covers a few of those (if not all).

      He took good care of his employees with stock, etc. (when he was closely involved).

      Hmm, I don't know--do you have some specific instances of him personally not observing those qualities (I don't mean Microsoft, I mean Bill).

    5. Re:I wouldn't hesatate to vote for him. by bunions · · Score: 1

      > I don't mean Microsoft, I mean Bill

      Well, I'm sure as a human being he's a fine person. But when you're talking about electing him to public office, I'd be far more interested in how he ran his organization, since we'd be electing him to run OUR organization. So no, I do mean Microsoft, and I'm not interested so much in his qualities as a human being.

      And I don't feel he ran his organization in any kind of ethical manner.

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    6. Re:I wouldn't hesatate to vote for him. by bill_kress · · Score: 1

      I agree, most sales/project managers these days did not come from an engineering background. When I was forming that post I was constantly finding that I had to stick with the good qualities of engineers and managers with an engineering background and shy away from managers with a management background and marketing.

      For instance, most engineers understand that contracting work to India doesn't work. It takes a year before they can actually be productive--and yet I've had managers repeatedly say that THEY can make it work. The engineer observes the repeated failures and says no, but of course, the manager is the one saying what upper management wants to hear, so...

      And of course, lawyers are WAY worse than managers, at least managers occasionally get exposed to good practices.

      A good engineer or manager will evaluate his past schedule performance and use the evaluation to adjust his future schedules. Could you even imagine a lawyer or politician doing something like that?

    7. Re:I wouldn't hesatate to vote for him. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you sure you're thinking of Bill and not Microsoft? There is a difference. I don't recall Bill doing too much for personal gain, but MS has done quite a bit of shady or downright illegal stuff. I don't know who made the decisions, but it seems strange to call one of the (if not the) world's biggest philanthropist a swindler. He stole the money to give it away? Guess you could call him a robin hood at worst.

      As for the other, we in America don't have as much influence as you might think.

      We made enough of a fuss about the Diabold "issues" that apparently they were afraid to cheat on this election which allowed the dems into office, but I'm afraid the kind of steps you are talking about are usually quite ineffective. Plus I'm of the opinion that the republicans and democrats are just the two faces of our corporate party, so I really don't expect much from this change.

      Nearly every politician in our federal government is corrupt to some degree. They all serve their own interests first by serving business interests and almost completely ignore local constituency. Unless we can unearth a "Scandal" so big that can't be ignored by corporate-owned news outlets, we just don't have a chance to be heard.

      What makes a bigger difference is when our allies refuse to support our actions. Getting rid of Tony Blair (although I like the guy in general) was a great step--it showed that the UK doesn't want a PM that simply follows America's poor lead. More along these lines would be nice. I understand that China and India own a significant portion of our massive debt, I expect they will start using this to manage US aggression at some point.

      I'd also love to see some country or countries condemn George and Dick as war criminals.

      Finally, take a look at that last map where we re-elected Bush. That entire central red area is dubbed "Dumbfuckastan" and at least 50% of the population of that area couldn't recognize George's incompetence after 4 years. Do you expect that they have grown smarter? These people are so vulnerable to manipulation by church and media messages as to be almost completely useless in an election. The only thing that saved us this time was a few scandals that made the Evangelicals unwilling to back the republican party this time.

      If you are waiting for us to solve our own problem, you're going to be waiting a long time. You'd think the people of Nazi Germany could have recognized Hitler as a problem and solved their own problems, but they didn't.

      "People" haven't evolved in the years since WWII, so what horrid logic would lead us to believe that America will make more intelligent decisions than "Germany" did?

    8. Re:I wouldn't hesatate to vote for him. by bill_kress · · Score: 1

      An organization is made up of a lot of people--the CEO doesn't make every decision, but you're right, he's responsible for them.

      So, what have they done. Typically legal manipulation to improve their stockholders position in relation to other companies. Sometimes the manipulation was questionable/illegal, but I'm sure they never saw it that way (it's a very strong human tendency to mentally justify your position--For instance, people who sell art tend to believe in strong copyright laws, almost to the person).

      Now, me personally, I'm not really pro-American, I think we're dangerous, but most people would say it was a good thing to have a leader who put his country first and did everything he could for the citizens of that country. It's not like he was lying or cheating for personal gain like EVERY POLITICIAN OUT THERE, I think he just set his mind on making Microsoft the best it could be and made some stupid decisions based on that.

      (Honestly, I think the foundation may be his way of recognizing that and trying to give back)

      As a person, I find his qualities generally admirable. As a manager I find his skills impressive.

      Do you really think that when Microsoft acted dishonestly, Bill actually thought about it and told his staff "Hey, let's lie to crush this other company!"? I just can't see any justification for that... I think he believed what he was doing was honest and the best overall for his company (and therefore, for everyone). Being a little deluded is an attribute every human has, at least it's just a little delusion and not the complete fantasy world that GWB and most of his staff live in.

      Are you really saying that you prefer a career politician over Bill?

    9. Re:I wouldn't hesatate to vote for him. by bunions · · Score: 1

      > Are you really saying that you prefer a career politician over Bill?

      Yes. Not for any reason I've detailed in our conversation, but for the same reason I'd want a career plumber to fix my pipes, not Bill Gates.

      Being a CEO is a fundamentally different job than being President. As a CEO, you typically run a company like a small dictatorship, and Bill was certainly no exception to this rule. As President, it doesn't work like that. You need to build consensus and work with others. I don't see Bill being good at that.

      And I reject the idea that every politician is a lying, cheating scumbag just looking to line their pockets. I think that's an immensely cynical, unproductive viewpoint.

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    10. Re:I wouldn't hesatate to vote for him. by bunions · · Score: 1

      also:

      > Do you really think that when Microsoft acted dishonestly, Bill actually thought about it and told his staff "Hey, let's lie to crush this other company!"?

      Yes. Maybe it's just sour grapes, but the common wisdom is that Bill Gates is impossibly competitive and will win at any cost, including lying, and cheating.

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  96. I don't know if Bill G can afford to run for Pres by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

    it might be a little too rich for his blood.

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  97. Flogging? by ben+there... · · Score: 1
    "Adams is also back on the campaign trail, flogging the site and Gates' candidacy."

    Oooh flagellation. Sounds kinky.
  98. MOD PARENT UP UP UP by networkBoy · · Score: 1
    How sad that one of the most reviled of businessmen is actually attractive compared to so much of the other options when it comes to President.

    mod parent as most insightful comment of all time.
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  99. As to why not by LuxMaker · · Score: 0

    The Red, White, and Blue would become the Red, White, and Blue screen of Death.

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  100. uummm by arrgster · · Score: 1

    I don't want a guy as president who can't handle a little pie in the face ;)

    Seriously, there is no way I would vote for him. He would ruin the industry because he would be biased towards his own technology.

  101. I'm convinced. by DeadboltX · · Score: 1

    --Queue Conspiracy Theory--

    The U.S. government is just dicking with the general population. Everyone knows that the elected officials are just puppets for the people who run the show from behind the curtain, but they are now testing how stupid the general population is.

    First Jesse Ventura, a fake wrestling champion, becomes governor of Minnesota, someone who probably didn't know lick about holding office. Of course he did a fine job though, because he didn't have to do anything since it was all being controlled behind the curtain.

    Next Arnold Schwatzenegger, a body building champion turned action film star as governor of California. California hasn't broken off of the continent yet and shows no sign of doing so.

    Now if Bill Gates runs for president, and wins, this will just fund the conspiracy even more. I'm sure that you will find that President Gates will do a fine job running the country, or at least just as fine a job as any of his predecessors. Why? Because he isn't really doing anything as president.

    As if there isn't something to gripe about EVERY president that has been and will be. The presidency is just a name that people can associate with a time, and when a new name rolls in it will give them hope for a new time. If there was no name, and no president then the U.S. would run just as well as it ever has, but people would get sick of it because there is no hope for change, and that would lead to a change and an overthrow of the government.

    --End Conspiracy Theory--

    P.S. I can't wait for Windows PE (Presidential Edition)

  102. Can't exactly take the NetworkWorld blog seriously by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Let's toss Pam Anderson in that field just for fun."

    Does Paul McNamara even know what that means to a significant minority of his English-speaking readership? It's a strangely compelling image, but one that I could probably do without.

  103. Guess what by geekoid · · Score: 1

    Most government agencys are more efficient then corporations in a lot of respects.

    Government projects generally run on budget.

    Remember this:
    A government agency does 99 thing right and 1 thing wrong, the one wrong thing gets into the paper.
    A corporation does 99 things wrong and 1 thing right, the one thing right getsd into the paper.

    Now obviously we can point at a lot of government things gone wrong. But remember there are hundreds of thousands of projects going on at any one time.

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    1. Re:Guess what by newt0311 · · Score: 1

      name me a corporation with >600 people at the top wasting their time arguing...
      Then name me a private school which needs to have 2,000+ people mking its tests
      Then name me a private corporation which has $7 trillion+ of debt.
      Running out of names?
      Now, lets compare the food production of soviet Russia with foodproduction of pre-soviet and present day Russia
      Or for even more fun, compare china under mao ze dong and china now.
      Governments especially the current ones are possibly the most inefficient things in existance. And why shouldn't they be. They have absolutely no profit incentive.

  104. Jon Stewart for President by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How about Jon Stewart?

  105. fer crap's sake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Isn't ONE sociopath in a decade enough?

  106. No Qualifications? by NAExtreme · · Score: 1

    Anyone who can be a successful CEO for not only Microsoft, but WingTip Toys, Fabrikam, and Contoso can certainly run a country and definitely has my vote.

  107. Qualifications? by dtjohnson · · Score: 1

    Seem a little weak. He grew up accustomed to wealth and privelege. He's an elitist that believes that only the smartest people should play. He's an atheist who thinks Jesus is a fairy tale. The only rules he's interested in are the ones he cannot circumvent. He created a monopoly company that charges hundreds of dollars a copy to each of hundreds of millions of people for something that costs nothing per copy. He works to prevent alternative software from seing the light of day with FUD, litigation, software patents, etc. Seems like Gates couldn't even begin to manage a real company with real competitors that actually provided something useful like food, shelter, or transportation, much less be President. Then again, there's George Bush...Okay, never mind.

  108. he's the richest man in the world.... by JustNiz · · Score: 1

    yet his foundation ONLY give to charities doing drug research and other human health issues.

    Just like the current president he doesn't give a damn about the environment or any issues not related to human health, so he'd be a terrible president.

    1. Re:he's the richest man in the world.... by JustNiz · · Score: 1

      yet his foundation ONLY give to charities doing drug research and other human health issues. I mean its not like there aren't already enough other charities throwing millions at already massively rich drug companies who just sell products that address symptoms and have no interest in making cures.

      Just like the current president and most of the rest of the US, Gates clearly doesn't give a damn about finding alternatives to the massive damage to the environment that the US continues to cause (about 10 times more trash and pollution per US citizen than any other nationality).

      The rest of the world is aware of the importance and significance of looking after our own planet and is already taking preventative measures though, so Gates would be another terrible president.

  109. I'd vote for... by rthille · · Score: 1


    Bush for a 3rd term first, and I _HATE_ Bush.

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  110. A better idea... by wellingj · · Score: 1

    From the article: "Bill Gates for president - you could say you have a better idea, but you'd be lying. Are there any pollsters out there who want to see how he stacks up against the field?" All I'm going to say is that Colin Powel would make the best president for the US given the current state of the world. He's educated, practical, has been in a war (which means he's seen the results of his actions first hand), and he has the obvious diversity card. He would win by a land slide and have his 8 years to straighen the country out.

  111. Hmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He could:
    * Reboot and get put on hold by technical support
    * Outsource congress to India
    * Put the Windows people in charge of Homeland Security
    * Embrace and extend the US Constitution
    * Troubleshoot the EXPENDITURES_NOT_LESS_THAN_OR_EQUAL BSOD problem
    * Do something about all those open source "communists" ...

  112. Re:Top Ten Reasons Bill Gates Would Run for Presid by Taleron · · Score: 1

    Ok, those look kind of dated...but still funnyJust change "95" to "XP" in numbers 1 and 10 for a good list overhaul. And it'd be very much in the spirit of things Microsoft!

  113. I don't want to have to reboot the country daily. by Archeopteryx · · Score: 1

    Steve Jobs would therefore be a much better choice.

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  114. America = Microsoft by pfrCalif · · Score: 1

    I'd say that Microsoft is pretty much the USA of software companies. Big, Bloated, Reviled and yet still getting by. While I hate to see the first term, I think he'd iron out the bugs and have an unbelievable second term. See: MS DOS, Windows, Word, Excel, Windows Server, X-Box...

  115. Great Idea. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    America needs a open minded person with great skills like Bill Gates.

  116. void Bill (char *IraqSuggestions[]); by grikdog · · Score: 1

    Ok, how will Mr. Bill implement the Iraq pullout?

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    1. Re:void Bill (char *IraqSuggestions[]); by Jerry+Rivers · · Score: 1

      Probably prematurely.

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  117. Zune or iPod? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Look, do you want this country to wind up looking like a Zune or an iPod?

    'nuff said.

    -ac.

  118. the trouble with trillions by hguorbray · · Score: 1

    obl simpsons quote:

    (from the film the IRS agent makes homer watch)

    President Truman authorised the one time printing of a trillion dollar
    bill to help Europe. The man set to deliver the bill was America's richest,
    therefore must trustworthy, man -- Mr. Burns! However, the trillion dollar
    bill was never delivered.

    Before that:

    Agent: Let's take a walk
    Homer: that wasn't part of the deal! (tries to bite cyanide capsule)

    -What's the speed of Dark?

  119. Here's my prediction... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Here's what Gates will do if he becomes President:

    1. Ignore international law and build a monopoly on world power.
    2. Abuse the monopoly to put down developing countries that actually have democratic governments.
    3. ???
    4. PROFIT!!

  120. Would this be the first time a crook became prez? by rajafarian · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Anyone else getting tired of corporations getting fined instead of their leaders going to jail for crimes committed?

  121. More irony ... by foobsr · · Score: 2, Funny

    http://www.billgatesforpresident.net/ was running Apache on Linux when last queried at 30-Nov-2006 21:41:05 GMT

    Duh.

    CC.

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  122. Foreign Policy by einnar2000 · · Score: 1

    Sure, elect him as prez, so our foreign policy can be finally flushed down the toilet. 'W' put it there, let BG finish it off. The EU folks just love him already...

  123. Re:Except, of course by isaac · · Score: 1

    No shit! I don't trust Bill Gates with my computer's security - why should I trust him with national security?

    -Isaac

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  124. Gates has long since cured Windows of security by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and stability.

    How appropriate. the 'please type in' word below is 'comtempt'.

  125. What the fuck is wrong with you people? by Lord+Kano · · Score: 1

    Bill Gates for President?

    What are his beliefs on ANY issue that effects this country? The only one that I can really infer is that he would be opposed to the DOJ trying to break up the Microsoft monopoly.

    Economics? Social policy? Taxes? Foreign trade? Terrorism? Foreign oil addiction?

    LK

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  126. Perot actually did rather well (about 19% popular) by SuperKendall · · Score: 2, Informative

    Perot got almost 19% of the popular vote - Clinton won with only 43%!

    That was running against a rather centrist democrat. What would happen if a third party candidate as viable as Perot ran against far more extemeist candidates from both the Republicans and Democrat sides? I think the tenor of politics has polarized so much that a third choice is very viable right now, if they are the right person (I'm not sure Gates has the personality for this) and have enough financial backing (there Gates is doing just fine thanks). What if in fact Perot had been running this last presidential election? Is it so impossible to think he would have won - handily?

    In every election now the swing votes are the independents. If they all have someone else to swing to, and republicans and democrats swing as well... you have a winner right there.

    It doesn't even have to be libertarian, another new party created from scratch (as Perot did) would work just fine. Heck, reassemble the Perot party! You could even use the same charts he used today.

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  127. At least he's not a lawyer. by istartedi · · Score: 1

    Lawyers shouldn't be allowed to make laws. There's an inherent conflict of interest. Also, a programmer's perspective on law might be worth something; maybe not this particular programmer, but someone who knows how to code. Ever notice how many laws have actual dollar ammounts in them? That's stupid coding. The dollar ammounts should be indexed to inflation, but they never are. Ever notice how complicated these laws are? They need to be refactored. Something like 99 percent of Federal Law is probably the legal equivalent of some patch that was put in at the last minute to get the product out the door quickly. Only a good programmer, somebody who understands when to throw it away and start over, could really appreciate this. Too many redundant laws. Anti-terrorist measures? Pulleeze. Last time I checked, it was already illegal to kill people. That's cruft. Sorry, no commit bits for the guys who write that crap. Improperly named laws. Patriot act? Sorry. Variable and module names must reflect function. "int OMG_we_got_attakced_let_us_panic_and_give_up_some_ liberties_Act(PERSON *hapless_citizen);". It should be struck from the codebase, of course, but before we do that we should at least make sure it's all readable. Comments? None. None at all, not in the code anyway. It's all someplace else. Comments are separate from the code. They might as well be coding the country in Perl. Wankers. I wouldn't let these guys write a 2 line batch script, nevermmind write the code that runs the country. Hire a good team of software engineers, and maybe we can have Federal law reduced to less than 100,000 lines. One thing's for sure though, if BG writes the law at least it'll be easier to use. You might not need a lawyer to understand it. I wouldn't let a bunch of Open Source guys do this job. You'd need a coder to understand their laws, just like you need a lawyer to understand laws now. Nope. We need somebody who can produce user-friendly laws that won't crash too often, and since we have control of the hardware, I say maybe we should let some Mac developers have at it. What say, guys?

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    1. Re:At least he's not a lawyer. by flyneye · · Score: 0

      Not that his education was actually Law school or that nothing anyones seen from windows qualifies him as a coder.The real question is whether the DEA is going to investigate the Dilbert squad as running a crack ring,cause its pretty obvious they're on drugs.

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  128. Gates is borrowing a page from Seinfeild by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    George Costanza: "I'm disturbed, I'm depressed, I'm inadequate, I've got it all!"

    Bill Gates: "I'm repulsive, I'm unethical, I'm unpopular, I've got it all!"

    Co-incidence, I think not!

  129. first new law by phrostie · · Score: 1

    the first new law will be to ban anything other than a one party system.

    choices have always confused voters anyway.

  130. Lawyer Team by Brobock · · Score: 1

    He could then assign his Vista lawyer team to his cabinet. Rest assured there would be no loop holes or going around bills he passes.

  131. Only 4 jobs prepare someone to be President by deanoaz · · Score: 4, Interesting

    In U.S. history people from following classes have been elected President:

    1. State Governors
    2. Vice-Presidents
    3. U.S. Congressional Representatives
    4. Generals
    5 (almost never, but once in a century or so) a U.S. Senator

    This means that the following people will NOT be elected President in 2008:

    Bill Gates
    Condoleeza Rice
    Rudy Guliani

    and the following people have a real chance only if their opponent is also a U.S. Senator:

    John Kerry
    Hillary Clinton
    John McCain
    John Edwards

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    1. Re:Only 4 jobs prepare someone to be President by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      Which one of these was Dubya again?

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    2. Re:Only 4 jobs prepare someone to be President by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Govenor of Texas

    3. Re:Only 4 jobs prepare someone to be President by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      State governor. Of Texas.

    4. Re:Only 4 jobs prepare someone to be President by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      Texas is not part of the U.S. Just ask em'

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    5. Re:Only 4 jobs prepare someone to be President by Teancum · · Score: 1

      Re: Condi Rice

      She is the current Secretary of State, and in the (admittedly distant) past that was considered another avenue to become president, as some former Secretaries of State have gone on to higher office. Colin Powell is certainly fitting this mold as well, although his status as a former 4-star General who won a major military campaign (the Gulf War) fits more with your line of thinking.

      Re: Rudy Guliani

      While he certainly wasn't "governor", he was mayor of NYC, and that has a similar set of legislative and constituancy problems similar to a middle-sized state. Certainly very similar to Georgia and Arkansas (to name a couple of states where some recent presidents came from) in terms of population comparisons and fiscal responsibilities by comparing mayors and governors. Certainly the mayor of Taopi, Minnesota is not going to be considered in the same class of mayor as those from NYC.

      In short, I wouldn't write him out, and indeed would put him much more likely to become president over John McCain. It is still an uphill fight, and Rudy would have to fight real hard even to get the nomination.

      Re: Bill Gates

      First and foremost, he will have to decide if he really wants the job in the first place. In some places (and in the much more distant past of U.S. history) some people were "drafted" to become president. I don't think that is possible today, and unless Mr. Gates is very active and agressive in trying to become president it will never happen.

      If he decides to really go for it and do a serious run, even as an "independent", all bets would be off at that point. As Ross Perot demonstrated, it is possible for an outsider to become president provided you have some financial backing to help you out in getting the job done. All Ross Perot did that was wrong was to crack up at the end and get really weird to withdraw from the race and then try to get back into it, not to mention other really wacky comments he made that collapsed his campaign. I don't see a candidacy of Bill Gates going through that same sort of wackyness.

    6. Re:Only 4 jobs prepare someone to be President by jsepeta · · Score: 1

      can anyone claim without sarcasm that dubya was PREPARED to be president?

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    7. Re:Only 4 jobs prepare someone to be President by deanoaz · · Score: 1

      My point was who gets elected President, not who should get elected. My subject line originally referenced preparing someone to be elected President, but I shortened it before posting. The body of the message talks about the history of U.S. election results, not Presidential performance.

      I can see why U.S. Senators have such a hard time getting elected President, and I think it is probably a good thing that the vast majority of them fail. They only face the voters once every six years which gives them plenty of 'safe' time to cater to special interests and make deals that they wouldn't risk doing nearer to an election. That usually creates a public record that is easy to exploit negatively in a big-money Presidential campaign.

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    8. Re:Only 4 jobs prepare someone to be President by bigpat · · Score: 1

      In U.S. history people from following classes have been elected President:

      1. State Governors
      2. Vice-Presidents
      3. U.S. Congressional Representatives
      4. Generals
      5 (almost never, but once in a century or so) a U.S. Senator


      Us Senators have been elected much more regularly than members of the House of Representatives, I think you have those confused. Governors seem to be favored in modern history.

    9. Re:Only 4 jobs prepare someone to be President by Lord+Ender · · Score: 1

      You fail at sample size!!!!

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    10. Re:Only 4 jobs prepare someone to be President by anaesthetica · · Score: 1

      Secretaries of State have been elected president: Thomas Jefferson is a fine example, albeit quite early in our history. So a successful Condi campaign is not inconceivable and would not be a historically unique event. Still, I find the idea of Condi winning to be an outlier at the current time.

    11. Re:Only 4 jobs prepare someone to be President by deanoaz · · Score: 1

      I did some further checking and you are correct.

      The Representatives I had in mind had all become Vice Presidents first. And, there were actually two U.S. Senators elected President in the past 100 years, I had thought it was only one. I also learned that there have been two cabinet secretaries elected President in the past 100 years, a Sec. of War, and a Sec. of Commerce.

      So it's VP's and Governors tied at 6 each (because Gerald Ford does not count)

      Followed by Senators and Cabinet Secretaries tied at 2 each.

      Followed by Generals at 1.

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    12. Re:Only 4 jobs prepare someone to be President by bigpat · · Score: 1

      Which Cabinet secretaries became president directly? I didn't look at every president, but I did a quick run through and I had thought that the Cabinet secretaries that were eventually elected or became president were either elected as governors or vice presidents first.

    13. Re:Only 4 jobs prepare someone to be President by deanoaz · · Score: 1

      Taft was Sec. of War
      Hoover was Sec. of Commerce

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  132. ... and Ballmer working with the DoD by deathstar778 · · Score: 1

    ..and we'll nuke Iraq and Iran with the biggest chairs they'll ever see!!!

  133. nice moderation, children. by drinkypoo · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    How is this a troll? Have you seen Bill Gates recently? He looks like a reject from a prep school - rejected because of his haircut. My girlfriend cut my hair and it looks better than his does. If it's not funny, that's okay, don't laugh - but mismoderating just makes you an ass and me perform another pathetic cry for help to the slashdot "editor"ship about bad moderation. Not that they give a fuck. But at least I can share the information here to assist in making the slashdot readership more irate with the poor way this place is managed. Er, neglected, more like. I knew it was all over when they took the email address you were supposed to use to report abuse of moderation out of the moderation FAQ...

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    1. Re:nice moderation, children. by twistedsymphony · · Score: 1

      relax... that's why cowboyneil invented meta-moderation... at least I though your post was funny.

    2. Re:nice moderation, children. by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Well, it looks like it worked anyway, I got Funny'd back up to 3. Don't get back the karma, but you can always get karma. I don't even use a formula, and I do it :D

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  134. Top ten actions of the new president Gates by SuperKendall · · Score: 2, Funny


    I know there's already a top ten list related but bear with me...

    The Top Ten Actions of The Newly Elected President Gates

    10) Air Force One? To paraphrase the Stones, Paint it Brown!
    9) Civics classes in school now include mandatory read of "The Road Ahead".
    8) Stallman put on "Do Not Fly or Speak" list.
    7) What's key to the countries economy? Housing Developers, Housing Developers, Housing Developers! Oops, wrong pres.
    6) All military fighter jets retrofitted with iDrive, trunk opening code wired to missile launch.
    5) Congress split into Congress Home and Congress Business divisions (you can guess where all the current members go)
    4) "The White House isn't wired for GigE? Where's my hammer"
    3) Calling Jobs, Ellison, and McNeal and making them sing "Hail to the Chief".
    2) Nuclear command infrastructure wired to Vista speech recognition, hijinks ensue.
    1) "Hey pie guy, where ya' going?" "I'm going to Gitmo!".

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  135. Who is Olde enough.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who remembers the campaign of Super (Future) Nerd Pat Paulson?

    Bill Gates? and We'd be stuck with Vista and 640 Gig all over again.

  136. President Gates in the White House by AnalogDiehard · · Score: 1

    President Gates: (addressing cabinet meeting) Good morning. What crisises are we facing today?
    SecOfState Fiorina: The palestinians are fighting the israelites again.
    President Gates: *yawn* OK, take the next flight out and get 'em to kiss and make up. Gotta look good to the goons on CNN. Next?
    SecOfTechnology McBride: Sir, someone cracked the DRM on Windows Media Player again.
    Vice President Ballmer: (throws chair) BASTARDS! I WANT WMP PATCHED AND DELIVERED IN A SERVICE PACK BEFORE NOON, A DMCA NOTICE SENT TO THE THIEF BY THE DoJ, AND GET THE NSA TO SHUT HIS WEBSITE DOWN!

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  137. Why I won't be voting Gates by eraserewind · · Score: 1

    Well, I'm not American for a start :)

    But from my point of view, while a lot of politicians tend to vote for things they don't understand fully, and thereby chose the wrong option, on matters relating to technological and business law I think it's fair to say that Bill does understand things pretty well, but still chooses to come down on what I consider the "bad" side. Now of course I understand that he does it for perfectly sound financial and ambition related motives, but that is not really what I look for in a politician.

  138. Bill as President? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If Bill Gates were president:

    The acronym USGA would no longer refer to a golf association. It would now stand for "United States Genuine Advantage", and the advantage for you as a citizen of the United States would be that every morning you would have to prove that you are a legitimate citizen of the United States or a sign would pop up on your house warning you to purchase a legitimate citizenship. That way you could know by driving down the street who is, and who isn't, a terrorist, as only a terrorist would have a problem with proving his citizenship every morning.

    This would automatically improve security for all US citizens....

  139. And his running mate will be... by Rashdot · · Score: 1

    Steve Balmer: "Congressmen, congressmen, congressmen, congressmen, congressmen, congressmen, congressmen..."

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  140. Only Nixon could go to China by theycallmeB · · Score: 1

    And only Bill Gates could make the federal government open source.

  141. Bill Gates' management is much over-rated by FallLine · · Score: 1
    He's brilliantly intelligent, with an amazing ability to run a company.
    I'll grant you that Gates is intelligent, but I disagree with the assessment that he is a particularly good businessman. Obviously Microsoft is a hugely successful company, but it doesn't necessarily follow that this was the result of excellent management at Microsoft or even excellent (technical) execution. The vast majority of Microsoft's financial success owes their exclusive license on MSDOS (which they themselves failed to see the value of early on). This provided them with a tremendous infusion of capital, a large and virtually perpetual annuity, and great leverage over the PC Operating System market to which they were able to hitch their wagon (it would have grown despite them). It allowed them to make a lot of mistakes (both technical AND business) and buy their way into a great many markets (only a handful of which can really be shown to be profitable and significant contributors to their revenue). Those markets where they have succeeded (excepting perhaps SQL Server) are essentially winner-take-all due to defacto standards (e.g., Windows/PC, Office, etc). In short, the quality of Microsoft's management has been at best mixed imho.

    It's also worth noting that Bill Gates' role at Microsoft through out its history has been much less "businessman" than it has been "chief technologist". Gates certainly shaped many of Microsoft's critical decisions (for better and for worse) and things might have turned out differently if it weren't for his raw determination or if he completely lacked insight, but I hardly think it qualifies him as a great leader.
  142. Is Bill running OS X in that picture by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    check out the picture in the middel on tehrighthand site on teh mentioned website. It looks like Bill is running OS X in his office...????

  143. Geeks for President! by MikeFM · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If I had to pick geek icons for office I'd like to see Linus as President and RMS as vice president. Mr. Torvalds is a very good leader - he motivates people, he listens to people, he does a good job at picking others to lead under him. He is intelligent, much more ethical than Mr. Gates, and I think a far better leader than Mr. Gates. RMS would be a good VP because he is to crazy to give power to directly but he often has good points and knows how to get his voice out there to actually make a difference in the world.

    Sure Linus is from Finland but I'm willing to vote for him - something I'll never do for Mr. Gates. If I can't have Linus then I'd consider people from the EFF or any major American free software hacker. Seriously - I'll vote for you if you run guys. We need a pro consumer and pro science/technology President.

    I think I'm scared. What if the election comes down to being between Hillary Clinton and Bill Gates? I'd have to kill myself rather than be around when either of those two takes the lead of our country. Hillary is just an off her rocker lib that's never done anything but spout crap and Bill would slaughter fair use and similar consumer protection and anti-trust laws.

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    1. Re:Geeks for President! by Grishnakh · · Score: 2, Interesting

      If I had to pick geek icons for office I'd like to see Linus as President and RMS as vice president. Mr. Torvalds is a very good leader - he motivates people, he listens to people, he does a good job at picking others to lead under him. He is intelligent, much more ethical than Mr. Gates, and I think a far better leader than Mr. Gates. RMS would be a good VP because he is to crazy to give power to directly but he often has good points and knows how to get his voice out there to actually make a difference in the world.

      I think you're absolutely right. Unfortunately, the Constitution has an outdated clause requiring the President to be native-born. RMS would be a good advisor or Secretary (in the cabinet). Other OSS people would be good in the Administration too.

      Unfortunately, the big problem with this idea is that a lot of Linux development would be hampered while these guys are busy with governmental duties.

      Sure Linus is from Finland but I'm willing to vote for him - something I'll never do for Mr. Gates. If I can't have Linus then I'd consider people from the EFF or any major American free software hacker. Seriously - I'll vote for you if you run guys. We need a pro consumer and pro science/technology President.

      As stupid as his "Aunt Tillie" printer rant was, I'd even vote for ESR at this point.

      I think I'm scared. What if the election comes down to being between Hillary Clinton and Bill Gates? I'd have to kill myself rather than be around when either of those two takes the lead of our country. Hillary is just an off her rocker lib that's never done anything but spout crap and Bill would slaughter fair use and similar consumer protection and anti-trust laws.

      This would be a dark day for the country. In such a race, Gates would almost certainly be elected as too many people don't like Hillary, and Americans have a very odd tendency to worship rich people, even if their money is all ill-gotten.

    2. Re:Geeks for President! by Planesdragon · · Score: 1

      too many people don't like Hillary,'

      A whole bunch of people think that Hillary is too polarizing to win moderate votes. Those people had some folk agree with them in 2000 -- New York had a Republican Governor, a famous Republican mayor, a bias against a "Carpetbagger", and more red upstate than some places in the South. She won, and did such a good job that her constituents elected her by landslide.

      If Hillary runs for '08, her biggest problems will be Obama, McCain, and Gulliani, NOT herself. If the GOP is foolish enough to pick Gates, well, we'll have our first female President.

    3. Re:Geeks for President! by dan828 · · Score: 1

      GOP? Gates is an athiest. The chance of an athiest being a GOP candidate is pretty damned small.

    4. Re:Geeks for President! by Name+Anonymous · · Score: 1
      RMS would be a good advisor or Secretary (in the cabinet).

      I take it you havent't spent much time near RMS in person?

    5. Re:Geeks for President! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Separation of church and state?

    6. Re:Geeks for President! by Hendronicus · · Score: 1

      Gates is a Presbyterian.

    7. Re:Geeks for President! by dan828 · · Score: 1

      RTFA

    8. Re:Geeks for President! by lifebouy · · Score: 1

      Linus, not being a native born U.S. citizen, is not eligible. However, Eric Raymond would be. I agree, though, RMS for VP.

      But Bill Gates!? There's a good idea--not! Gee, let's take the guy who very nearly took all freedom away from computing and see if he can take what's left of freedom away from the country, too!

      But-- if he did run, then that would make a great case for all the nuts who said Bill Gates is the Antichrist, now, wouldn't it? Heh, I think that even might be enough to convince me.

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    9. Re:Geeks for President! by Abreu · · Score: 1

      OMG! ESR as president would very likely institute shooting practice in all public schools and mandatory gun ownership for all adults...

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    10. Re:Geeks for President! by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Sounds good to me. It works for Switzerland.

    11. Re:Geeks for President! by Raenex · · Score: 1
      If I had to pick geek icons for office I'd like to see Linus as President and RMS as vice president. Mr. Torvalds is a very good leader - he motivates people, he listens to people, he does a good job at picking others to lead under him.

      Maybe he's good at the other two, but he's not a good listener. He comes off as very stubborn and kind of a dick. Just look at what happened with BitKeeper. There are plenty of other examples.

    12. Re:Geeks for President! by that+this+is+not+und · · Score: 1

      ESR is a frothing, raving gun nut. I am not talking about a reasonable person who advocates gun rights.

      He's the kind of person who takes over established projects and uses them to gain credibility.

      And 'The Cathederal and the Bazaar' was written as a polimic to criticize the politics of the GNU Emacs developer's team. They were the 'cathederal' coders he was criticizing. Even Raymond seems to want to forget this.

    13. Re:Geeks for President! by MikeFM · · Score: 1

      You can listen and still ignore what you've heard if you think you're right. ;) *shrugs* I've never heard anything from him that'd make me consider him a dick but I can give you stubborn. Still, the BitKeeper experience resulted in a better development tool being made so I can't really call it a loss other than annoying people by making them learn new tools every so often.

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    14. Re:Geeks for President! by Raenex · · Score: 1

      This is pretty typical: FUCKING IDIOTS

      Seriously, this is how he argues. I could find lots more examples. You can't listen if you call people who hold a disagreeable position fucking idiots.

      Still, the BitKeeper experience resulted in a better development tool being made so I can't really call it a loss other than annoying people by making them learn new tools every so often.

      You forget how he totally backstabbed a fellow open-source developer, for, get this, letting users access their data with free software! This coming from the guy who cloned Unix. The hypocrisy is just stunning. Torvalds knifes Tridgell

      Don't get me wrong, despite his flaws he does a good job heading up the Linux kernel. And Bill Gates was very successful with Microsoft. I still wouldn't want either as my president, that's for sure.

    15. Re:Geeks for President! by bckrispi · · Score: 1

      The odds of an Atheist from *any* party winning is pretty damned small.

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  144. Never by LordSnooty · · Score: 1

    The guy can't string a coherent sentence together most of the time, certainly when I've heard him in interviews and whatnot. He's entirely unsuitable as President, I mean, who would vote for someone who didn't sound like they understand what they are talking about... oh, wait...

  145. Anyone else notice this. by VewDew · · Score: 1

    I couldn't help but notice that in that center picture in the 'about' section of the website; you see a picture of Bill Gates some sort of dual display system running nothing other than OSX :) RML

  146. my only concern by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When the heats start fireing up, why are their only 2 candidates for presidency when there's 50 or more for an Miss america Beauty Pagent?

  147. Re:Perot actually did rather well (about 19% popul by aardvarkjoe · · Score: 1
    What if in fact Perot had been running this last presidential election? Is it so impossible to think he would have won - handily?
    Yes it is impossible, but not because the people would dislike him. Since the 2000 elections, the whole "a vote for is a vote for " idea has been parroted so many times that people actually believe it. Until we get rid of this stupidity where elections are about voting against candidates rather than voting for them, we're stuck with the idiots we have now.
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  148. And as always by Sammy+Loo · · Score: 1

    I, for one, welcome our m$windoze overlord.

  149. Thats why they built the Metro by nwbvt · · Score: 1

    Uh, I am from the area, and I know of plenty of people in areas like Arlington who rarely drive anywhere (of course Arlington used to be part of the district until they joined the Commonwealth, so it might as well be part of the city). There is nothing 'unsustainable' about living in Virginia (or Maryland for that matter).

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    1. Re:Thats why they built the Metro by viniosity · · Score: 1

      Really? Just what percentage of people in VA or MD live within walking distance of a metro? If you use a whole percentage point here then you are being overly optimistic. Just because there are a few metro stops in the area where you can walk to (King St, Ballston, Bethesda) doesn't mean that all of them are (Rockville, Shady Grove, West Falls Church, etc etc) In fact you'd be surprised how many people drive their cars from way the hell out and park at the metro to commute to a job in DC. For what? Two acres and a three car garage. Yay American dream.

    2. Re:Thats why they built the Metro by NitsujTPU · · Score: 1

      For what? Two acres and a three car garage. Yay American dream.I own two cars and used to drive an hour to work from a beautiful home with both an attached and detached garage in a nice suburban area. This was until I returned to graduate school, where I generally walk from place to place or use university transportation. I'm not quite sure why people who wish to live the lifestyle that you are condemning should be denied it or why some people are so outraged that they would pursue it. Two acres and a three car garage aren't such bad things.

      Also, slugging is far more popular than parking at a metro stop in my experience, which only seems to be popular if you're already fairly close to one. Though, I agree, having more stops, and having them further out, would be nice.

    3. Re:Thats why they built the Metro by nwbvt · · Score: 1

      "Really? Just what percentage of people in VA or MD live within walking distance of a metro?"

      Very few due to the fact that VA and MD are large states of which just a small corner can even be considered within the DC metropolitan area (you might want to lose the idea that all either state consists of are Washington suburbs, especially if you ever visit southern VA or the Baltimore metro). Regardless, there are apartments in both states that are close to the metro, so if walking to the subway was your largest concern you could find a place to live in either state.

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    4. Re:Thats why they built the Metro by viniosity · · Score: 1

      The point is that you can live without a car in LA too but it's easier in Manhattan. Secondly, it's not like I moved to Buffalo and am complaining that it's cold. This is like moving to Buffalo and complaining because there's still segregation. I have a right to bitch about it because it 100% a man-made problem and serves NO good at all. It's even more ridiculous than the Electoral College. Implying that I should move and don't deserve voting rights is obscene at best.

    5. Re:Thats why they built the Metro by nwbvt · · Score: 1

      And my point is that the idea that you can live in Virginia or Maryland instead (which would end up solving your problem) is not "unsustainable".

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  150. wtf ? by cinnamon+colbert · · Score: 1

    this guy writes comic strips

    and he is qualified to decide who should be POTUS ?

    it is like a dilbert cartoon..

  151. OMG no pls by Archfeld · · Score: 1

    *shudder* I'd vote for Katz/Neil ticket first*shudder*

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  152. This is a joke right? by InklingBooks · · Score: 1

    This is a joke, right? He can't really be serious. He meant to announce this last spring as an "April's Fool joke but forgot.

    Look at the sad shape Microsoft is in once the feds stripped them of their ability to use their monopoly power to bully. The stock is stuck where it was years ago. Vista is coming out years late and devoid of once-promised features. Do we really want a President who'll take until 2010 to ready the 2008 budget? A President who'll threaten to end trade with Canada over some minor fishing dispute? (That's the equivalent of how Microsoft 'negotiated' with IBM.) One that will offer a 'vaporware' solution to Islamic terrorism? Someone that will give us 'fireside' chats looking at the ceiling and rocking mechanically like someone with autism?

    No, Gates is the only famous American around who'd make a worse President than Jimmy Carter--and that's saying a lot.

    --Mike Perry, Seattle

  153. Tax net assets, Bill? I'll vote for you. by Baldrson · · Score: 1
    If Bill would adopt the following platform, I'd vote for him:
    The government should tax net assets, in excess of levels typically protected under personal bankruptcy, at a rate equal to the rate of interest on the national debt, thereby eliminating other forms of taxation. Creator-owned intellectual property should be exempt.

    The levels typically protected by personal bankruptcy can be approximated by the median price of housing an individual added to the median capitalization of a job in the economy. Together, these exemptions [back in 1992 when this was originally written --JAB] add up to between $50,000 and $100,000. Additional but smaller exemptions may be added to represent the lower levels of bankruptcy protection typically extended to children within families.

    The NAT is a self-adjusting system that seeks an equilibrium between government debt levels, current tax rates and private wealth distribution, without attempting to achieve an outright balanced budget or direct intervention in the economy.

    Under current (1992) asset distribution and government debt the NAT would generate between $1 trillion and $1.5 trillion in revenue, thus totally displacing other forms of taxation. ...
    only assets whose existence is legally recorded in titles, insurance documents, etc., or that are currently reported for capital gains and losses would be individually assessed. Since most households own few major assets changing little from year to year, the NAT would greatly simplify tax computation.

    and

    With the exception of basic functions of government and the pay down of debt, the government budget should be dispersed to citizens as cash, rather than being spent in government programs or even limited in the form of vouchers. This is "market democracy" in which the citizens and their markets, rather than central planning and politics, influence the selection of goods and services to be capitalized and provided.

  154. Obligatory.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    "Nobody needs more than 640k US dollars per year!"

    Finally, some wealth equality programme!

    -jl

  155. One of my favourite quotes... by empaler · · Score: 1

    ... is from a Danish book taking place during the Nazi occupation of Denmark.
    It's one of the nazi-sympathising townspeople who is confronted about this, and his explanation is this: Before the Germans, this town was known for two things; that lake, and unemployment. They can't take the lake from us, and the unemployment is gone"... Good times, good times.

  156. Note from President Gates: by tmh+-+The+Mad+Hacker · · Score: 1

    Hey, all you democratic republics out there: You should know that America has a patent on that form of government going back several years. We'll be happy to license it to you; just pay us enough money, and we won't take you out for infringing on out IP.

    Hey all you Americans: We're going to distribute the profits from this to our loyal citizens, and many of you will become very wealthy. The bad news is that we expect you to work 20 hours a day to make sure we stomp out Taiwan, and if anyone mentions the word "Iran" my vice president's going to throw a !@#$% chair at you!

  157. Shirley, you jest ... by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1
    That's right, I called you Shirley.
    Look at the sad shape Microsoft is in once the feds stripped them of their ability to use their monopoly power to bully.
    I am a U.S. Citizen, so I can say this with unabashed disgust: That is the current definition of our country ... A monopoly power that bullies. If Bush hasn't been impeached for explicitly stating that he completely disregards the oath of office that he took, and will ignore the will of the American people (staying in Iraq even if his wife and his dog are the only ones who support the decision), what makes you think Gates will meet any actual friction when he practices his underhanded and blatantly illegal governing techniques?
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    1. Re:Shirley, you jest ... by rtrifts · · Score: 1

      Look at the current President - then consider William Gates III as the alternative.

      Do you seriously think - for even one minute - that the deficit would have swelled, the US dollar dropped as low as it has and that Bill Gates would have plunged the USA into a war in Iraq for fictitious reasons - and LOST THAT WAR - by surrounding himself with incompetent people and letting ideology dictate policy?

      Say what you want about Bill Gates - he'd make a far better President than the current one. The bible thumpers and the lickspittle money grubbers would not be getting a seat at the cabinet table.

      You could easily come up with 270,000,000 worse choices than Bill Gates.

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    2. Re:Shirley, you jest ... by freedom_india · · Score: 1
      staying in Iraq even if his wife, his dog, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, Tenet are the only ones who support the decision

      There i fixed it for you.

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    3. Re:Shirley, you jest ... by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1
      Look at the current President - then consider William Gates III as the alternative.
      Gates would definately be more efficient than Dubya ... our freedom of choice would erode even faster, and just as running Windows on a faster box means it will crash quicker, so too would having Gates as a POTUS cause the country to crash more quickly.
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  158. How about silvio berlusconi? by undeaf · · Score: 1

    Italy already tried making the richest guy prime minister. I hear he's not very well regarded as a head of state.

    1. Re:How about silvio berlusconi? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Berlusconi was many things, including President of the Council of Ministers (P.M. -- often Prime Minister in English, however the multilingual Canadian term Premier is becoming more commonly used) (1994-5, 2001-6), but never head of state.

      While Berlusconi was P.M., those would have been the following Presidents of the Italian Republic: Giorgio Napolitano (2006-), Carlo Ciampi (1999-2006) and Baron Oscar Luigi Scàlfaro (1992-1995).

      Berlusconi did not get on well with any of them, and the hatred between him and Ciampi was palpable.

      Apart from being head of state, the President of Italy has real direct political power with respect to the introduction of legislation, and with respect to appointments to things like the Constitutional Court. The Italian P.M. is no more given totally free reign than the French one -- it is very unlike the Westminster system with a figurehead head of state and an effectively all-powerful Prime Minister (or First Lord of the Treasury as appropriate).

      That said, there is a number of people in and out of Italy who think Berlusconi's terms were disastrous. There is also a sizable number of Italians who think the opposite.

  159. he will steal oil that will by Revek · · Score: 1

    come in 5 versions

  160. Why NOT? by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

    The current POTUS is an ex-cocaine snorting comic-strip character who has called for stronger penalties for drug users. Welcome to America.

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    Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
  161. Re:Perot actually did rather well (about 19% popul by Dachannien · · Score: 1

    I've been saying for years now to put McCain and Lieberman on the same ticket. Neither one has much love left for their respective political parties, both have the respect of centrists, and both have the recognition necessary to make a successful third-party move.

  162. antichrist by thripper · · Score: 0

    have you noticed the google adv. on their web site ? It's worth a check (look to the left ) http://bill.coolbusiness.org/why-bill/

  163. Sounds good, maybe by Milikki · · Score: 1

    Look, Government should be run like a business. Profit and loss. If you dont have enough income, you cant just steal more (raise taxes), you need to cut spending.

    Whatever you feel about Bill, he IS a helluva business man. He might even be able to bring us a balanced budged, reduce the defecit, reduce the size (and scope) of government (fuck, wife interrupted and I lost my train of thought)....

    Kevin

  164. Tagging Beta by Ltar · · Score: 1

    "no, hellno, whynot, fuckno, yes " WTF. Tag =\= Comment. c'mon, people.

  165. He has no conflicting intrests by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As an advantage over may presidents he has all the money he needs, Gates gives unbelievable amounts of money away every day. So unlike say our current administration his aim may be less centered on making money.

  166. politics and democracy by idlake · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Bill Gates was running an organization that is more like the USSR than like a democracy: he had nearly absolute power to do as he pleased and he was planning his economy centrally. He could get rid of people he didn't like, he could create and kill projects as he pleased, etc. He also got a huge war-chest of money and a monopoly handed to him on a silver plate by IBM.

    Perhaps people forget, but the USSR was initially very successful, both economically and scientifically (e.g., Sputnik). But a few decades later, it all fell apart. And it's no accident that Microsoft is slowly collapsing under its own weight, despite still having huge amounts of money. Organizations like the USSR and like Microsoft simply aren't successful long-term.

    Overall, their job experience simply doesn't qualify US business leaders for high political office (of course, some of them may still figure it out and end up being good politicians, but that's not because of their business experience). To succeed as a politician in a democracy, people need to negotiate, compromise, build alliances, convince, have charisma, and do something reasonable even in the face of severe budget shortfalls. Gates doesn't strike as being capable of doing any of those well.

    1. Re:politics and democracy by plopez · · Score: 1

      And this is different from GWB exactly how?

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      putting the 'B' in LGBTQ+
    2. Re:politics and democracy by idlake · · Score: 1

      Gates has been good at running Microsoft; GWB would be a failure at that.

      But both are bad choices for running the nation.

  167. Gates wasn't IN Predator by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But he IS a predator.

  168. Vote me by liquid_rince · · Score: 0

    Hey, what about me for President? I used to play Starcraft and SimCity, I do have some training. Vote for me next time even though I'm canadian.

  169. The real question by OiToTheWorld · · Score: 1

    The real question is can Microsoft do a better job fixing Iraq than Haliburton?

  170. Gates interview by PaulB007 · · Score: 1

    Interviewer: Mr. Gates, what is your plan of action regarding the Iraqi war? Bill Gates: My solution is easy, we all know Steve Jobs supports terror, ALL APPLE COMPUTERS ARE HEREBY ABOLISHED IN THE UNITED STATES.

  171. Hillary can't do it... by KNicolson · · Score: 1

    Only being born one sex (and one race) prepares someone for being President, following your logic.

    1. Re:Hillary can't do it... by Teancum · · Score: 1

      That is not the logic. You need to prove that you have the command presence to be able to convince many people that you are capable of doing the job. While it is true that all previous presidents have been white men, that is not the prerequisite. Having positions of authority to demonstrate what you would do as president is important.

      That most of those positions (not all of them) are currently filled also with white men will mean this "tradition" will continue for some time. This is not to say that no women will ever be president, but that it is a tough road ahead before it will happen. That Hillary is certainly the most qualified woman to come around in many years (particularly because she didn't get the job as senator because her husband kicked the bucket), being a senator here is more of a liability for her than an asset. If instead she ran for and won the governorship of New York and then tried to run for president, it would be almost a shoe-in for her.

    2. Re:Hillary can't do it... by 14CharUsername · · Score: 1

      There's been around 40 elected presidents, the majority of whom were before the invention of television, and even universal sufferage. So your trend is coming from a country thats almost completely different from the US today. In the 1800s, unless you were a Senator, Governor or a General, most people didn't know you existed. Yes, being a Senator, Governor or General makes people more likely to vote for you, But it doesn't make it impossible that someone outside these professions could win.

      You're making a post hoc argument here. If the next President was a Doctor then you could say "In the history of the United States the only people to become president have been Senators, Governors, Generals and Doctors. Therefore only people from these professions have any chance of being President."

    3. Re:Hillary can't do it... by Teancum · · Score: 1

      The electorate of the United States hasn't really changed that much in the past 100 years, at least in terms of voting habits. To suggest otherwise is a huge fallacy, but OK, I'll say that more reliable comparisons must be done for those presidental campaigns that have been done via electronic broadcast media. Or even perhaps just television. That still gives you only generals, vice-presidents, and governors that have a more reasonable chance at becomming president.

      The point of the matter is that no major political party is going to entrust their top position leading their slate of candidates unless they have demonstrated ample leadership in the past and have been something very substantial on the national level in terms of name recognition and involvement in the political life of America. That means that a school teacher from Ohio or a West Virginia coal miner is not likely, or indeed impossible to become POTUS. It has absolutely nothing at all to do with gender or race in the least and to suggest otherwise is disingenuous. And insulting to those of us who actually vote for these people.

      The point I was trying to make is that for a woman or a person of color to achieve this office, you need to see many more people of these alternative descriptions in those other positions first. Only when there is a pool of several women of strong character who have been governors of more populous states (aka Ann Richards, to give an example of one who could have become POTUS, as her successor did move on to the national level) will you see a woman president. That also means that more women need to run on the local level as well such as city councils, sheriffs, or state legislatures. And women increasingly are elected to these positions and have substantial influence in term of the grass roots efforts to start political campaigns. In time I think you will find a woman as POTUS, but you need to really understand the political structure of America to note that the electorate of the USA is not necessarily racist, but it takes time to accomodate political changes.

  172. Whitehouse ran by H-1B's by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    Gates' press justification: "Shortage of Americans who play gritty politics."

  173. Similarities by TheoMurpse · · Score: 1

    Speaking of Janet Reno, is it just me, or do Bill Gates and Janet Reno look like they're the same person?

  174. William Gates III versus Richard Stallman, 2008? by tuomas_kaikkonen · · Score: 1

    Will arch hacker Richard Stallman rise to challenge Bill in 2008? Now we will see who has bigger support! If they are not named candidates, at least the people could still write in their names.

  175. Top 10 reasons to vote for Bill Gates by metoc · · Score: 1

    1. He can't be bought. In America Bill buys you.
    2. He plays to win.
          While at M$ he made it the biggest software company on the planet.
          His foundation is the biggest as well.
          As president of the USA he will make it #1.
    3. He can't be worse than last few presidents.
    4. At least he has a vision of curing the world of disease and poverty.
    5. Already the 1st stop for foreign heads of state.
    6. Has his own western 'Whitehouse'.
    11.He can use a computer.
    8. Bill would pick Steve Wozniak for VP to piss off Steve Jobs.
    9. Can get the federal government the friends and family rate on M$ products.
    10.He will be the first visible minority (billionaire & geek) to be president.

  176. Re:Top Ten Reasons Bill Gates Would Run for Presid by edschurr · · Score: 1
    He wants to buy an old Cesna, paintit flashy colors, and call it Air Force '95.
    Unfortunately the missile counter-measures won't be ready for the maiden flight.
  177. Sounds like Bush by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    > If Bill ran the USG the way he's run MS, he'd raise taxes and fund all kinds
    > of hairbrained initiatives which would be expensive, poorly thought-out, and
    > would flop. The only thing he'd do well is use the US's dominant position,
    > unethically, to gain more power from the rest of the world, at everyone else's
    > expense, and make the US even more hated than it is now.

    Other than the "raise taxes" part, you just accurately described our current president. Maybe Scott Adams has the American voter figured out better than Slashdot gives him credit for!

  178. Great idea by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    That actually would be pretty good, I think they'd have a shot!

    --
    "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
  179. RE: Get on the 'Gates for President' Bandwagon by Schlaegel · · Score: 1

    No

  180. In Defense.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Many people have posted about Microsoft's inability to get products out on time, as if that somehow disqualifies people from government jobs. Firstly that doesn't necessarily reflect Gate's ability, and if you haven't noticed, its a hallmark of our government contractors. Experience with projects that don't go smoothly isn't a bad thing.

    Also, I'm not entirely convinced that morals and politics (should) go hand in hand. Politics in a real world requires a Machiavellian approach at times. Ruthlessness in dealing with competition isn't always a bad thing, since the average American enjoys the fact that America has a near monopoly on certain things... it means we have a higher standard of living.

    Far too much of government today is about staying in power, and getting in bed with people to do so. Politicians wield little power any more, corporations do through politicians. They sell stupid ideas(ex. simple economics proves tariffs have an overall negative effect), and in the end the people get played like pawns while the corporations get what they desire. One might hope that Gates could avoid all this...on partly a level that he'd actually be effective in office, and therefore could run on something like 'I'm not a 'politician', I'm a person who holds political office, but simply gets things done.

  181. Quote by advs89 · · Score: 0

    I like this quote by Scott Adams:

    "Bill Gates is a winner. Wouldn't you prefer having him on your side for a change, beating the crap out of North Korea instead of Netscape?"

    I think it sums it all up right there...

    --
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  182. Is it just me.. by Vix666 · · Score: 1

    ..or does sdot seem extra whiney today?! A lot of people seem to take what M$ (and BillG) do very personally.. Have they really fucked that many people up or is it just envy disguised as indignation? Hell, i'm not even from the US, but i'd vote for him if he ran for Prez-of-Earth...

    --
    I love TV. Infact, the only reason I goto work is because daytime TV sux..
  183. Never happen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Whatever other objections one might raise, this country is hundreds of years away from electing an atheist, period.

  184. m$ pr team strikes again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The M$ PR team says it is. Haven't you noticed it's not allowed to criticise the Chairman ? They've worked hard to ensure that the characteristics which make his reputation as an impatient, intolerant, arrogant, condescending and unethical dork are downplayed. Shoot, even his video testimony, you know the one where he apparently perjures himself, has been swiped from the library of congress. No negative portrayal is tolerated by the astroturfers working his image campaign.

    Haven't you noticed that the press are kept away from him for the last few years?

    Chairman Gates has been a full fledged politician for a number of years now. Dilbert's just floating a second trial balloon. Recall sometime around the beginning of 2001 there was an earlier trial balloon in the form of a poll sounding out the same threat.

  185. Reprint - Miracles Of 2050 by SgtChaireBourne · · Score: 1

    Time for a reprint from 2001.

    Joe and Jane Paycheck live in a relatively obscure hubspace in the The Microsoft Christian States Of America. Like other Americans, they work about 70 hours a week to pay for software leases and tithe taxes. Joe doesn't have to worry about shaving anymore, as the Levitican beard requirement was reintroduced in MS Bible v. 4.0 (Sunday Service Pack 4) and he's too broke from upgrading to afford a razor. Besides, since razors are now licensed and have to be renewed every day, he was halfway there already.

    Jane has had 14 children by Joe, most since the 2038 repeal of abortion and contraceptive rights, but tithe taxes contribute to the development of their large family. Their children (all named after variants of "William") will each spend ten years in Approved Viewpoint Training, which is funded by Time/Warner/AOL/Disney/Duke Energy/Exxon (T.W.A.D.D.L.E.) which means that Joe and Jane pay nothing. "They are nice.." says Joe. "Nice. They teach kids good. Willy said first word yesterday: 'subscription'. Maybe he makes software someday."

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    Beta is broken and the link to classic doesn't work. Stop wasting our time or there won't be anybody left here.
  186. He's got my vote... by Zaphod2016 · · Score: 2, Interesting
    As I sit here typing this comment into Firefox on my MacBook running OS X, you would be hard-pressed to call me a M$ fanboy. However, I have to admit, if he runs, he's got my vote.

    Scott said it best:

    The man took one look at capitalism and beat it like a 14-year old boy with unrestricted Internet access. Bill Gates is a winner. Wouldn't you prefer having him on your side for a change, beating the crap out of North Korea instead of Netscape?


    Like it or not, capitalism is the name of our American game. Compared to Hillary Clinton, Al Gore, Condi Rice or (God help us) Rudy Giuliani-- it's the first name I've heard that hasn't made me cringe.

    Plus it sets a nice prescedent. As far as I'm concerned, we geeks should be running the show.
    1. Re:He's got my vote... by freedom_india · · Score: 1

      Let's separate Bill Gates as a Person from Bill Gates as Windows(R) Manufacturer.

      BillG as a person is certainly a much better candidate than what we have now for many reasons:
      1. Bill's IQ and EQ are waaaay more than the single digit IQ of G.W
      2. Bill has the knack to get the right things done, instead of wrong things.
      3. He has managed an economy which is one of the largest of companies in World.
      4. He has had a Budget SURPLUS for every year of this 14+ yrs as a Microsoft "owner".
      5. Has experience in managing a large Staff WITHOUT any scandals like Abramoff, etc.
      6. Really has done Wonders with his Charity Money in many countries.
      7. Knows that making business is more important than Making (illegal) Wars.
      8. Knows that Climate is more important than funding Exxon or other oil Belchers
      9. Doesn't need contributions from Verizon, Halliburton, etc., Has enough money to buy Halliburton and more.
      10. Really knows managing people rather than managing politics.

      So, i would rather vote for Bill Gates as Prez rather than G.W (a draft dodger and a law breaker).

      --
      "Doing what i can, with what i have." ~ Burt Gummer
    2. Re:He's got my vote... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As another Mac (and indeed Linux user when at work) I agree completely with the parent.

      I'd rather have someone who was smart, understood technology and was "one of us" to vote for than the inevitable choice we're going to have between two complete morons who wouldn't know a computer from a can opener but are real keen to legislate against whichever of the personal freedoms their particular party hates.

    3. Re:He's got my vote... by 14CharUsername · · Score: 1

      Interesting how you don't want to be the customer of a company lead by Bill Gates but you do want to a citizen of a country lead by Bill Gates. How are you sure Bill Gates will beat up on NK but not beat up citizens of the US?

    4. Re:He's got my vote... by Zaphod2016 · · Score: 1

      How are you sure Bill Gates will beat up on NK but not beat up citizens of the US?

      I'm not. However, I *am* sure that all the politicians I mentioned in my first post (Dem, GOP or other) have and will continue to "beat up on US citizens"- as their track records clearly show.

      For example: Gates has slapped drachonian levels of DRM into Vista. John McCain and Hillary Clinton both advocate torture. Who would *you* rather be on control of the US military?

      Its still the lesser-of-two-evils argument, but until I get the choice to vote for noone, its the best option I see.

  187. Re: Get on the 'Gates for President' Bandwagon by SolitaryMan · · Score: 1
    No.
    It's actually Noooooooooooooooooo!
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    May Peace Prevail On Earth
  188. YES! Please... by fmstasi · · Score: 1

    As an Italian, I'd love to see Bill Gates President of the USA. So we'd no longer have to be ashamed of Silvio Berlusconi.

  189. Bill Gates 4Prez by harvey+the+nerd · · Score: 1

    Sack of Rome, 410 AD. Now a Bill Gates mid term Xmas Party, 2010. 1600 years is too long.

  190. GET / HTTP/1.1 by kezze · · Score: 1
    When requesting www.billgatesforpresident.net by http, we get:
    HTTP/1.1 200 OK
    Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2006 09:31:44 GMT
    Server: Apache Webserver
    X-Pingback: http://bill.coolbusiness.org/xmlrpc.php
    X-Powered-By: PHP/4.4.4
    Connection: close
    Transfer-Encoding: chunked
    Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8
    Kind of self-contradicting...
  191. One thing wrong with the US by Lars+Clausen · · Score: 1

    ... is that the OS that most computers use is crap. If making him president can fix that faster than he can get Vista out the door...
    -Lars

  192. Monopoly? by Tom · · Score: 1

    Honestly, I can think of very little that's more frightening than a US president with the attitude of absolutely having to be the only kid on the block, no matter what and with "embrace, extend, extinguish" as his main strategy.

    Nations have to coexist, a concept that Bill apparently has never grasped.

    --
    Assorted stuff I do sometimes: Lemuria.org
  193. USA becomes a chair-capable superpower by blue.earthling · · Score: 1

    Does this mean Ballmer will be Secretary of Defence?

    CNN reports: ...Air Force has won the War on Terror by utilising Ballmer's ingenious combat strategy "Fly-by Charing (© 2008-2012 MicroSenate Corporation. All rights reserved.)"

  194. Funny Ad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Google ad I'm seeing on every page now of this site is:

    First Female President?
    Pick a Repub, Pick a Dem, Map Shows Winner, # Electoral Votes Each Gets
    www.SurveyUSA.com

  195. Great, the whole country's gonna bluescreen! by Dr.+Spork · · Score: 1

    Probably the first thing he'd do in office is change that generic emergency broadcast message to look like a BSOD which would say: "A fatal exception 0E has occured to your country. Please reinstall the government."

  196. Awwwww, look at that! by Bloke+down+the+pub · · Score: 1

    Look, a newborn meme. Isn't it cute!

    --
    It's true I tell you, feller at work's next door neighbour read it in the paper.
  197. President??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can't see someone with "Darth Bill's" ego running for an insignificant job like President, now if it was "Bill Gates for Evil Eorld Emperor", (EWE) He might consider it. Or "Bill Gates for Borg Queen...." ;-)

    Bill is Borg, he will assimilate you....

  198. I'm behind it by wonkavader · · Score: 1

    So long as he runs as a republican.

  199. I'd rather see Ballmer by joshsnow · · Score: 1

    Gates has a bit of a wet fish personality - he's a bit too much of a geek for me to support. Ballmer, on the other hand, would be great. Imagine the debates - Ballmer dances in shouting, "Developers, America, Developers, America". Then when his opponent (Hilary) makes a point that he doesn't like, he just throws a chair at her...

  200. Let's not forget by aichpvee · · Score: 1

    Scott Adams is a creationist moron. His comic also fails at being funny. I'd rather have a President Ballmer anyway. Sure he'd constantly be nuking people but it'd all be worth it when he comes out for the State of the Union address going "Senators, senators, senators, senators..."

    --
    The Farewell Tour II
    1. Re:Let's not forget by HTTP+Error+403+403.9 · · Score: 1
      I'd rather have a President Ballmer anyway. Sure he'd constantly be nuking people but it'd all be worth it when he comes out for the State of the Union address going "Senators, senators, senators, senators..."

      "Thank you all. Mr. Speaker, Vice President Cheney, members of Congress, members of the Supreme Court and diplomatic corps, distinguished guests, and fellow citizens.

      COME ON!!! GIVE IT UP FOR ME!!!!

      WHO SAID SIT DOWN?!?!?

      I HAVE FOR WORDS FOR YOU - I LOVE THIS COOUNTRY!!! YEAAHHH!!!!"

      --
      I'm not a Troll, it's reverse psychology.
  201. Parent is sarcastic or a moron (I can't tell) by paladinwannabe2 · · Score: 1

    I don't see how 'Because he's $GROUP' is an emotional argument. The horrific acts of $GROUP throughout history are well documented. It's hard to find any $GROUP who were good, so why take a chance?

    If you pick any category of people that's been around long enough, you can find horrible atrocities they committed. Whether you pick based on religion, ethnicity, or social class, you can find some monsters. Likewise, in any sufficiently large group of people you can find some decent, likable guys. Claiming that because individuals in $GROUP has done bad things in the past, a different individual in $GROUP will do bad things in the future is a fallacy.

    --
    You are reading a copy of my copyrighted post.
    1. Re:Parent is sarcastic or a moron (I can't tell) by Surt · · Score: 1

      But if the percentage of members of $Group that does $BadThings is 99.5%, and you want to avoid having your leadership do $BadThings, then choosing your leadership from $Group just reflects a poor understanding of statistics, or perhaps some moronic form of hope.

      --
      "Who is the Journal of Quantum Physics going to believe?" --Stephen Hawking
  202. Classic Slashot by shaneh0 · · Score: 1

    Mod me down because you hate Bill Gates and I don't.

    The good thing is that I am solidly in Excellent Karma. Will you be after you get meta-moderated?

    Why participate in Moderation at all if you don't agree with and follow the guidelines?

  203. if you get serious just for a sec by mapkinase · · Score: 1

    Ok, this is a joke. I got it, thanks. But still...

    Consider for a moment seriously his candidacy. Once I started to compare him to existing politicians it stroke me immediately that he resembles the most the neo-cons: ruthless, inhumane technocrats obscessed with their ideology.

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    I do not believe in karma. "Funny"=-6. Do good and forbid evil. Yours, Oft-Offtopic Flamebaiting Troll.
  204. Embrace and extend by hoggoth · · Score: 1

    As President, Bill's unique way of attacking competitors would be... interesting...

    "Today President Gates announced that the United States will accept Spanish as an official second language, however the officially accepted Spanish will be an extended version of the language that offers benefits lacking in the original. Such benefits include grammar that has been simplified by removing gender modified versions of words, and optional forms of words that are pronounced in a way that is more compatible with English."

    Uno=One-O.
    Dos=Twos.
    Tres=Threes.
    etc.

    "President Gates also announced that now that America is compatible with Spanish speakers we will be extending our borders to include all of Mexico and some of Central America."
    "When asked about any plans for Canada, President Gates replied, 'Oh... isn't Canada already part of the U.S.?"

    --
    - For the complete works of Shakespeare: cat /dev/random (may take some time)
  205. Re:Very excellent point [RE:AC] by everphilski · · Score: 1

    No, I'm supposing that he will spend his billions to have an experiance - the presidency - as he has already spent millions buying cars, a fancy home, and on other amenities 99% of us will never have the experiance of enjoying.

    Again this is all a thought idea ... he hasn't said a word about it, this is Scott Adam's thoughtchild.

  206. What do you really want? by lucychili · · Score: 1

    Is the issue of who is running the show relevant? US govt and others just seem to be the marketing/acquisition/enforcement arms for franchise groups anyway? Admittedly most lobby groups just buy puppets. Is there a real difference in the lobby groups buying an external person or in them annointing their own? If nations do overtly become franchises, what franchise would yours become?

    Is anyone looking for a change to the model that would make a monopoly baron an inappropriate choice which would not satisfy the goal of government as representing needs of humanity and our habitat? Ive seen people suggesting to send care parcels to people in Iraq as a way to break down the hate but it looks to me like an apology for a system of governance which has lost its connection to responsibility to its people. Land of the free needs custom torture laws? DMCA deems books are first published in the US if youre not a signatory? Fair use rights for other nations is against the free trade agreement?

    If geeks want to change politics its a full system engineering change that's required not just a matter of changing the personality on the desktop. What would it feel like to have a government where your choices and actions do directly have implications for war, peace, health, tax, environment, diversity, freedom. What if instead of suggesting a politician, a quiz http://www.stemwijzer.nl/english_version had direct effect. What other kinds of models are there for being responsible?
    If the current model is the extension of Microsoft marketing what does an extension of distributed geekdom look like?

  207. Re:Would this be the first time a crook became pre by neonfrog · · Score: 1

    No. Tax revenue is a good thing.

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    I'm thinking about it, therefore I might be.

  208. Gates with Ballmer as VP by HermMunster · · Score: 1

    What would happen is that Billy boy would create an open letter for the world community and claim we are all criminals stealing his government tax dollars.

    He would proceed to make us all agree to some sort of EULA to remain citizens and he would change that without our participation with every coming year.

    He would raise taxes on everyone and use that money to spend overseas on his pet projects instead of spending it on the American people.

    He would work on education as long as it was within the scope of his company to make sales. He would be giving all sorts of government contracts to his company and it's subsidiaries.

    Instead of working with everyone he'd go into one of his long tirades as he's done over the years and he would sit and incessantly rock in his chair in the Oval Office of the White House.

    He would make exceptions for his vehicles to allow them to be brought into the US and he would drive far over the speed limit while dumping his empty milk cartons in the back seat.

    Every time he would go get a visiting dignitary he'd drive so insanely they would never want to get back into the car with him. He would get into extreme fights with his VP during meetings that would shock his cabinet members.

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    You can lead a man with reason but you can't make him think.
  209. Get on the 'Gates for President' Bandwagon by CommanderIsm · · Score: 1

    in the best of john McEnroe quotes "you can't be serious" - only loonie born again - evolution denying americans would fall for this - oh hang on that's most of em'

  210. Re:Uh... (yes, I'm replying to my own post) by JoshJ · · Score: 1

    I find this rather hilarious. I commented on the irony of a moderation about a post discussing the moderation of another post, and it gets modded to 5.
    How... ironic.

  211. Dilbert Steals a Ziggy by holdsworth · · Score: 1

    So Scott Adams thought of this on Nov 16? Hmmmmm. What about what Doug Barney wrote on Oct 1??? http://www.redmondmag.com/columns/article.asp?Edit orialsID=1490 Barney's Rubble Bill for President Is it time for Gates in 2008? by Doug Barney October 2006 Every four years pundits, radio talk show hosts and U.S. citizens beg for a presidential candidate who's not a career politician. And every four years the two major parties nominate -- you guessed it -- career politicians! No true, non-political alternatives have the party backing, or, it seems, the ability to connect and gain our trust. I guess voters don't mind career politicians after all. Donald Trump is too full of himself (but Letterman would have great material), Ross Perot was too preachy and weird, and Arnold is too foreign (meaning he legally can't run; not that I'm against Austrians). Here's a name that could overcome all these obstacles: Bill Gates. Not the old Bill Gates spouting technology, wearing ill-fitting clothes and crushing competitors for sport (though his company is doing this with relish and third parties are paying the price). No. I'm talking about the new Gates of the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation. As far as I can tell, Gates has not pledged allegiance to either party (probably the only thing he and I have in common). In 2004 Gates gave only $22,500 to candidates with a slight edge to Democrats. For someone with Gates' pockets, this is as close to giving nothing as you can get! I mentioned this idea to my mother and her eyes opened wide (the way they did every time my high school assistant principal called) and she exclaimed "Wow!" After a few seconds of thought she said "Wow" again. Bill has no major skeletons (I'm guessing) and has taken non-political, purely rational stances on today's major issues. Who would you trust to develop a policy on global warming? Who is today's best ambassador to the third world, to India, to China? But Bill has no experience in foreign policy! True, but neither did the governor of Georgia, California, Arkansas or Texas. Imagine if our fundamental approach to the world was based on logical approaches to curing disease, spreading opportunity, saving the environment and teaching children. A foreign policy flowing from this river would be rich indeed. Imagine offering our enemies all of these benefits. Would Iran rather have nukes or freedom from disease? Maybe they'll go for the A-bombs, but will all regimes react the same? I doubt it. And remember, Bill promised to retire in two years, just in time for his new job in 2008. We'll just have to live with a total gutting of U.S. anti-trust laws! Who are you going to vote for? Let me know at dbarney@redmondmag.com. Doug Barney is editor in chief of Redmond magazine and the editorial director of Redmond Channel Partner magazine. You can contact Doug about "Bill for President" at dbarney@redmondmag.com.

  212. Doug Barney at Redmondmag.com came up w/ the idea by JD+in+Virginia · · Score: 1

    a month before Dilbert. His column was in October.