"'That was hardly the argument. My argument was that we can now take out a dictator who slaughters entire families because one of them disagreed with him without having to kill the entire country"
We are killing entire families (hell hundreds of people) because they disagree with George Bush. George Bush says Alawi should be the president and the people in najaf want to be ruled by somebody else. What do we do about that? We kill a few thousand people to make sure they do what GW wants.
"Kinda like the amount of violence in Germany went up in WWII when we stepped in there, too? Oddly enough, though, eventually the amount of jews being killed went down in the long-term"
First of all as far as I am concerned WWII was a wash. Sure we got rid of hitler but we got stalin and mao in exchange. They in turn ended up being just as bad if not worse. Honestly I just don't see that WWII had a great outcome.
As for fewer jews being killed I guess that's great if the lives of jews are worth more then the lives of other people.
"Just be glad we don't use carpet-bombing as a tactic anymore. Sending 500 planes over Iraq each dropping 10,000 lbs of ordinance would have quelled these outbreaks a lot sooner, but at a cost of millions more lives. "
Yes, I am verry happy that my govt has chosen a path of very evil instead of extremely evil. We would not want to carpet bomb iraq it's more fun just to drop other bombs on them.
Just what outbreaks are you trying to quell anyway and why? Saddam is gone why do you care if the people in sadr city don't want to be ruled by alawi? I know alawi is an cia agent and all but come on now. It just doesn't make sense to kill people because they don't want your puppet ruling them does it? Why not let them choose whoever they want to rule them. I thought this was all about freedom.
It went down the black hole of stories that never get followed up on. Other ones there include.
The Israeli spy at the defense dept. Ahmed Chalabi is going to be tried for forgery in Iraq. Saddam Hussein's trial. Jose Padilla. The crashed egyptian airliner People being warned about 9/11 before it happened.
The real problem is that software marketing WANT the blame. Microsoft repeatedly says that when open open source goes wrong you don't have anybody to call.
If you build an entire campaign around "you know who to blame when things go wrong" then you can't whine when people take you up on it.
That's the exact reason to have judges in the first place. To act as a counterweight to pandering politicians who would take away rights from an unpopular minority in order to gain some votes.
Amazing isn't it? The only reason we haven't used nukes yet is because it could bite us back. Once these new weapons are created you can bet your ass we will use them.
Too bad we can't seem to find other reasons for not using weapons of mass destruction.
" Well, the one "dumber than your dog" graduated from a better university than you did I'll bet."
I didn't graduate. What does that have to do with anything. First of all he got into yale (yes they both did) because he was rich and powerful not because he was smart. Second there are plenty of actresses and models who graduated from Yale that can't tell you that the sun is in the center of the solar system. Finally I am not comparing his intelligence to mine (although clearly he is way dumber then me) I am comparing his intelligence to his opponents.
What makes you think that the school you graduated from or even a degree is an indication of how smart you are?
"I think people that judge someone's intelligence by their ability to speak comfortably in front of large groups are clinging to an unstable measuring stick and opening themselves up to all manner of chicanery, fraud, and sorrow."
How else am I to judge the candidates inteligence? Perhaps if he were to take an SAT test or an IQ test TODAY and publish the results. I am all for requring that presidential candidates pass some sort of an exam but we don't have that today.
Sorry but I expect my president to be able to speak to the world. I expect him to be able to inspire the country to greater heights. If a guy can't speak comfortably in front of crowds he doesn't deserve to be the president.
I am sorry but Badnarik is not going to win this election and there is a very real chance that the candidate that is dumber then my dog will.
At this time I can not take the chance to vote for anybody else except the candidate that is smarter then my dog. If I voted for Badnarik and the dumbass won I could never live with myself.
Look at the best selling books, most popular TV shows and music and tell me once again how most americans are normal people with decent intelilgence levels.
I am offered two candidates. One is dumber then my dog the other one is smarter then my dog. Are you suggesting I vote for the one that's dumber then my dog?
Oooh sorry to effend your delicate sensibilites. Being lied to doesn't piss you off, thousand dead soldiers doesn't piss you off, ten thousand dead iraqis don't piss you off, insane deficits don't piss you off, environmental pillaging doesn't piss you off.
But hey call Bush a name and you will go sulk in your corner and not come out again till we all apologize.
There is nothing wrong with america that killilng people like won't cure.
"many people, if pressed to do so, would agree that the world is at least a little bit safer without Saddam Hussein in charge in Iraq, regardless of whether he had any WMD's."
That's because most people are complete idiots. All the evidence points to the contrary. The amount of soldiers killed in Iraq went UP after saddam was captured. Actually the amount of total violence in Iraq went up.
Those are the only two ways to structure society? Capitalism and socialism? I think Jesus would beg to differ. Come to think of it so would Budha and mohammed.
I guess those people had visions of humans rising above their basest desires and build a more spiritually enlightened world.
You are right. It's not walmart that's the problem it's capitalism. The goal of capitalism is to increase the amount of greed, gluttony, pride, covetousness, avarice and the rest of the seven deadly sins in the world.
Yes but millions of other people look at the open source code. It just has be caught by one person and it's over. In fact every patch gets posted on the listserves.
You know I really don't think that Apple lives or dies by the OS. Clearly they are branching out to online music, ipods and other "home entertainment" type of things. Call it geek chic.
"Why did Saddam need to be removed? Saddam believed, maybe still does, in Pan-Arabism or the uniting of the Gulf Arab states into one nation."
There was really no point in reading the rest of your post after reading this piece of bullshit you pass off as fact. Even if it was true what's wrong with that? Why shouldn't the Arabs form a union like the europeans did? Is sorming of commonwealths only allowed for white people or christians?
"Why Saddam before others? Boils down to this: Saddam was a bastard"
You didn't answer the question. Why was he more of a basted then anybody else. Why him first?
"you honestly can't tell me that your not glad to see the bastard on trial and his two sons dead can you?"
Honestly I didn't give a shit about who ran iraq five years ago and I don't give a shit now.
"Why are we still there? Because you can't rebuild a country over night. "
Whoops. All of a sudden we are there to build a country? I thought we went in to remove saddam.
"Is the world safer?"
So in other words it's not safer because we removed saddam.
"All I can say for sure is that there are more terrorist in body bags and graves today than 3 years ago."
Again you didn't answer my question. Are there more terrorists today then before we invaded iraq?
"Was freedom for Iraqis worth 200Billion and thousands of people dead? "
Again you completely dodged the question. I did like your pablum about how much you appreate your freedom though. Nice.
"What are our options? "
Your choice of options only shows how little you have thought about the matter and your severe lack of imagination. Surely there are other options then doing nothing or invading and occupying a country. Maybe we need people with intelligence and creativity to solve these problems.
", I say let it be against M1A1 tanks in the streets of Iraq and not in the Streets of St. Louis or Memphis or LA"
A false dichotomy. Al quada attacks once every few years. There will be american blood shed you just don't know where and when. If you think that because american soldiers are dying in iraq that nobody will die in the US you are profoundly and collosally misuinformed.
"But one thing I've heard my friend in European politics tell me time and time again is that under the surface, Europe rather enjoys what happened in Iraq"
This is just plain whacky.
Again thanks for transcribing the Republican Talking points but you really haven't answered any of my questions.
Nobody had a hold on J edgar hoover. He most likely had both kennedies and MLK killed. If anything it was the other way around, he had the mafia working for him.
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"'That was hardly the argument. My argument was that we can now take out a dictator who slaughters entire families because one of them disagreed with him without having to kill the entire country"
We are killing entire families (hell hundreds of people) because they disagree with George Bush. George Bush says Alawi should be the president and the people in najaf want to be ruled by somebody else. What do we do about that? We kill a few thousand people to make sure they do what GW wants.
Just exactly what is the difference here?
"Kinda like the amount of violence in Germany went up in WWII when we stepped in there, too? Oddly enough, though, eventually the amount of jews being killed went down in the long-term"
First of all as far as I am concerned WWII was a wash. Sure we got rid of hitler but we got stalin and mao in exchange. They in turn ended up being just as bad if not worse. Honestly I just don't see that WWII had a great outcome.
As for fewer jews being killed I guess that's great if the lives of jews are worth more then the lives of other people.
"Just be glad we don't use carpet-bombing as a tactic anymore. Sending 500 planes over Iraq each dropping 10,000 lbs of ordinance would have quelled these outbreaks a lot sooner, but at a cost of millions more lives. "
Yes, I am verry happy that my govt has chosen a path of very evil instead of extremely evil. We would not want to carpet bomb iraq it's more fun just to drop other bombs on them.
Just what outbreaks are you trying to quell anyway and why? Saddam is gone why do you care if the people in sadr city don't want to be ruled by alawi? I know alawi is an cia agent and all but come on now. It just doesn't make sense to kill people because they don't want your puppet ruling them does it? Why not let them choose whoever they want to rule them. I thought this was all about freedom.
In other words it was a thrill kill.
"*What happened to that story anyway? "
It went down the black hole of stories that never get followed up on. Other ones there include.
The Israeli spy at the defense dept.
Ahmed Chalabi is going to be tried for forgery in Iraq.
Saddam Hussein's trial.
Jose Padilla.
The crashed egyptian airliner
People being warned about 9/11 before it happened.
The real problem is that software marketing WANT the blame. Microsoft repeatedly says that when open open source goes wrong you don't have anybody to call.
If you build an entire campaign around "you know who to blame when things go wrong" then you can't whine when people take you up on it.
That's the exact reason to have judges in the first place. To act as a counterweight to pandering politicians who would take away rights from an unpopular minority in order to gain some votes.
"Until we get rid of activist judges "
The definition of "activist judge": Somebody who rules in a way I don't like.
And the next president may end up nominating as many as four judges to it.
Something to think about.
Amazing isn't it? The only reason we haven't used nukes yet is because it could bite us back. Once these new weapons are created you can bet your ass we will use them.
Too bad we can't seem to find other reasons for not using weapons of mass destruction.
" Well, the one "dumber than your dog" graduated from a better university than you did I'll bet."
I didn't graduate. What does that have to do with anything. First of all he got into yale (yes they both did) because he was rich and powerful not because he was smart. Second there are plenty of actresses and models who graduated from Yale that can't tell you that the sun is in the center of the solar system. Finally I am not comparing his intelligence to mine (although clearly he is way dumber then me) I am comparing his intelligence to his opponents.
What makes you think that the school you graduated from or even a degree is an indication of how smart you are?
"I think people that judge someone's intelligence by their ability to speak comfortably in front of large groups are clinging to an unstable measuring stick and opening themselves up to all manner of chicanery, fraud, and sorrow."
How else am I to judge the candidates inteligence? Perhaps if he were to take an SAT test or an IQ test TODAY and publish the results. I am all for requring that presidential candidates pass some sort of an exam but we don't have that today.
Sorry but I expect my president to be able to speak to the world. I expect him to be able to inspire the country to greater heights. If a guy can't speak comfortably in front of crowds he doesn't deserve to be the president.
I am sorry but Badnarik is not going to win this election and there is a very real chance that the candidate that is dumber then my dog will.
At this time I can not take the chance to vote for anybody else except the candidate that is smarter then my dog. If I voted for Badnarik and the dumbass won I could never live with myself.
Look at the best selling books, most popular TV shows and music and tell me once again how most americans are normal people with decent intelilgence levels.
The police don't think it was politically motivated. I just presumed the republicans took the computers to make the democrats look bad.
I am offered two candidates. One is dumber then my dog the other one is smarter then my dog. Are you suggesting I vote for the one that's dumber then my dog?
Oooh sorry to effend your delicate sensibilites. Being lied to doesn't piss you off, thousand dead soldiers doesn't piss you off, ten thousand dead iraqis don't piss you off, insane deficits don't piss you off, environmental pillaging doesn't piss you off.
But hey call Bush a name and you will go sulk in your corner and not come out again till we all apologize.
There is nothing wrong with america that killilng people like won't cure.
Yes. It's better to call them traitors and america haters. It's also better to write books about how the democrats are the "enemy within".
"many people, if pressed to do so, would agree that the world is at least a little bit safer without Saddam Hussein in charge in Iraq, regardless of whether he had any WMD's."
That's because most people are complete idiots. All the evidence points to the contrary. The amount of soldiers killed in Iraq went UP after saddam was captured. Actually the amount of total violence in Iraq went up.
Those are the only two ways to structure society? Capitalism and socialism? I think Jesus would beg to differ. Come to think of it so would Budha and mohammed.
I guess those people had visions of humans rising above their basest desires and build a more spiritually enlightened world.
Those are the only two countries in the world? US and North korea?
You seem to suffer from a severe lack of imagination.
You are right. It's not walmart that's the problem it's capitalism. The goal of capitalism is to increase the amount of greed, gluttony, pride, covetousness, avarice and the rest of the seven deadly sins in the world.
Yes but millions of other people look at the open source code. It just has be caught by one person and it's over. In fact every patch gets posted on the listserves.
Please name the company. Good companies should be praised by name. In fact I might want to submit a resume.
You know I really don't think that Apple lives or dies by the OS. Clearly they are branching out to online music, ipods and other "home entertainment" type of things. Call it geek chic.
"Why did Saddam need to be removed? Saddam believed, maybe still does, in Pan-Arabism or the uniting of the Gulf Arab states into one nation."
There was really no point in reading the rest of your post after reading this piece of bullshit you pass off as fact. Even if it was true what's wrong with that? Why shouldn't the Arabs form a union like the europeans did? Is sorming of commonwealths only allowed for white people or christians?
"Why Saddam before others? Boils down to this: Saddam was a bastard"
You didn't answer the question. Why was he more of a basted then anybody else. Why him first?
"you honestly can't tell me that your not glad to see the bastard on trial and his two sons dead can you?"
Honestly I didn't give a shit about who ran iraq five years ago and I don't give a shit now.
"Why are we still there? Because you can't rebuild a country over night. "
Whoops. All of a sudden we are there to build a country? I thought we went in to remove saddam.
"Is the world safer?"
So in other words it's not safer because we removed saddam.
"All I can say for sure is that there are more terrorist in body bags and graves today than 3 years ago."
Again you didn't answer my question. Are there more terrorists today then before we invaded iraq?
"Was freedom for Iraqis worth 200Billion and thousands of people dead? "
Again you completely dodged the question. I did like your pablum about how much you appreate your freedom though. Nice.
"What are our options? "
Your choice of options only shows how little you have thought about the matter and your severe lack of imagination. Surely there are other options then doing nothing or invading and occupying a country. Maybe we need people with intelligence and creativity to solve these problems.
", I say let it be against M1A1 tanks in the streets of Iraq and not in the Streets of St. Louis or Memphis or LA"
A false dichotomy. Al quada attacks once every few years. There will be american blood shed you just don't know where and when. If you think that because american soldiers are dying in iraq that nobody will die in the US you are profoundly and collosally misuinformed.
"But one thing I've heard my friend in European politics tell me time and time again is that under the surface, Europe rather enjoys what happened in Iraq"
This is just plain whacky.
Again thanks for transcribing the Republican Talking points but you really haven't answered any of my questions.
Nobody had a hold on J edgar hoover. He most likely had both kennedies and MLK killed. If anything it was the other way around, he had the mafia working for him.