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prostoalex writes "Information Week magazine takes a look at Wal-Mart's IT infrastructure. Wal-Mart's yearly global sales are quoted at more than 250 billion dollars, their IT spending is less than 1% of that. At the same time, the company manages to pursue new venues in optimizing retail with the wonders of technology. And what about outsourcing IT for the sake of optimization? 'We'd be nuts to outsource,' a top IT executive at Wal-Mart replies."
how much of that is profit though?
... and she says its hell on wheels.. and they don't get paid well according to industry standards... i guess thats the walmart way.. makem work hard, dont pay too much, $$$profit
This is important news to CIOs. Walmart has traditionally been pro-business and strongly against organized labor and a "feel good" business approach. Therefore, when they don't outsource, they don't do so for the right business reasons, and CIOs elsewhere will take note. Over the long run, the market will do the right thing if you let it be.
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It is interesting the head of their IT has a degree in architecture, I wonder what the stats are for IT in general, especially for sysadmin type positions? I.E. Degree in CS (or related), non-CS degree, no degree.
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"We'd be nuts to outsource..." ... "because we already have all the cheap illegal immigrant labor we need right here"
Wal-Mart outsources it's distribution network to other companies. Noone is going to do the IT distribution systems better than Wal-Mart.
Walmart appears to know this reality.
Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.
I've read that if you take all the manufacturing companies in China that _only_ manufacture for walmart, and count them as a single company, it would be the biggest manufacturing company in China.
Wow, this amazed me, Walmart is usually all about cutting costs, ignoring quality, overworking the staff and destroying the small business.
Maybe they just haven't got around to it yet - or they're just paying the US staff Bangalore salaries....
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Thats not the point. Thats A LOT of money. Thats more then most countries make, really. BTW, I believe last year they made somewhere between 5 - 10 billion profit.
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I've been on contract at Wal-Mart for six months. It just seems like 60 YEARS! The ISD organization is a mess, and it IS a CULTure all its own.
My wife doesn't listen to me either...
I wonder if walmart has looked into opensource options? From their business model its clear they value how much things cost... Also, with those linux workstations they sell they must have some pull with dealers...
Sure they won't outsource for the moment. But the second that it's easy and profitable enough for them to do it, don't think that Walmart won't just take all their IT jobs to somewhere cheaper.
They run a business for the shareholders, where profit, not jingoist sentiment, rules.
What would a top "Finance" exec have to say about it?
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It was maybe 2 years ago when I heard that Wal-Mart had massive system monitoring problems. They installed HP Vantage Point, then found out that it was a total piece of crap. It couldn't watch anything, much less their boxes it was installed on. I suppose they finally got all that stuff to work.
Before that, I remember hearing that Wal-Mart used to make every store identical - down to the IP addresses of the boxes. It was a great idea, until it broke all the software that used IP addresses to track state. Imagine: push software to a box, then go to the next store. But wait, the software's already been sent, so no push. Doh!
Overall, their business application people seemed really good, but their infrastructure people were less-than-stellar. It's an interesting environment nevertheless.
Oh, and they were really cheap, too. You'd think they'd understand the value of infrastructure, you know?
In case you haven't heard, Wal-Mart is evil
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Now, if Walmart's tracking is REALLY sophistocated, then they'll figure this out AND be able to track things back to the supplier, but...
One of the things that RFID would help with is the ability to not only locate a palette of some item in the stock room but also count the number of them. (Among numerous other benefits outside the stock room.) If Walmart employees (and you know how well-trained they are) get complacent about this and assume that what the reader tells them is accurate, then suppliers will try to take advantage of it. What happens if a palette comes in with more RFID tags than stock items (but not so many more that it's immediately apparent), and the supplier charges for the number of tags.
This would result in a loss for Walmart, and if it's subtle enough, it could take them a LONG time to track down.
The fact is, their main edge over their competitors is their inventory management system (just-in-time, etc.). If they outsourced this, what is to stop their outsourcee to take the knowledge and then shop it around to Target, KMart, Sears, etc.? Such valuable knowledge must be kept in-house if you want to maintain the edge.
On the other hand, if it plain labor, then Walmart _encourages_ their suppliers to outsource. They keep asking for price cuts till the supplier has no choice. Read for yourself.
Walmart IT pays less than industry average wages with lower chances of salary advancement and absolutely tepid compensation packages for most long term employees.
That said, it is a boring stable environment that you probably couldn't ever get fired from; guess that appeals to some.
(The above based on numerous employees at IT and WalMart.com)
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But now, we see how centralized planning can work. With hourly updates, bar codes, online registers, and quick feedback to stores and suppliers, the American economy is now run from a central location. Bentonville, Arkansas. Wal-Mart controls more production than Gosplan ever did. They definitely control production; ask any Wal-Mart supplier.
Wal-Mart is more standardized, more controlled, and more centrally managed than the USSR ever was. In financial terms, bigger, too.
picture a bunch of COBOL programmers all dressed up in great Walmart cloth huddling in an Arkansas building ?
When you're Wal-Mart, you don't need to outsource, because you're already paying crap salaries. The slogan "Always low prices, always low pay" didn't come out of nowhere, you know.
Wal-Mart dictates its pricing across the board: to its suppliers, and to employees. When you can pay an American the salary of an Indian and get away with it, why hire the Indian?
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If anybody is good at saving costs it's Wal-Mart. I don't agree with many of their business practices (such as screwing employees out of overtime pay), but saving costs is one thing they're really good at.
They are smart enough to realize that in software development, the real cost savings come from quality and productivity, not per-person labor costs. Hiring, training and retaining people who can produce twice as much per person is much more profitable than hiring people who each cost half as much to employ.
Outsourcing to cheap labor might work well for manufacturing toys or T-shirts, but cheap IT labor doesn't so easily bring your total IT costs down.
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Offshore outsourcing software development is all about short-term gains at the expensive of long-term profitability.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that training people who will ultimately take that knowledge and compete against you isn't a viable long-term strategy.
I'm looking forward to seeing the faces of American executives when Indian software companies start competing against those same American companies who decided offshore outsource. "Gosh, we didn't expect them to compete against us after we paid them for years and years, giving them the crucial experience necessary to compete against us!"
Oh, wait. Those executives won't care. They'll already have stolen their millions from the companies whose long-term viability they destroyed, and be sipping drinks while counting their money.
Looks like people are confusing the two. Of course Wal-Mart is not going to outsoure its IT. They teach you in B-school not to outsource your core competency -- which in this case is their information gathering and optimization that allows them to be so efficient.
Offshoring on the other hand can be done without outsourcing. Wal-Mart just has to establish a developement center in another country that they fully control. Companies like IBM, Oracle, and Microsoft are offshoring work to China and India, but they are not outsourcing since these develepment centers and employees belong to the company, not a third party.
It is interesting to see how outsourcing has quickly gained an immensely bad reputation.
Some are against outsourcing simply because American jobs should be kept in America. Some are against it because they lost their jobs to outsourcing. Others believe that outsourcing produces lower quality goods and services. And yet, others are against it because they are sheep.
Of course many forget that American jobs don't belong to the employees, but to the employers. Management has to do what it must to cut costs, and improve profitability. It's about the bottom line. Boycotts against companies will result in a poorer financial performance, resulting in more outsourcing.
And while, it is understandably tough to lose your job to Joe Third-World, I don't understand how some of the same people can support firing employees. Geeks aren't clamoring when big companies announce layoffs. Yet, outsourcing is bad, somehow.
As to those who believe that outsourcing provides poorer quality goods and services, it is interesting to note that a lot of manufacturing goes on in Asia. The majority of the products used to make the computers that the Slashdot audience uses to read Slashdot is made in Asia. Besides, who's to say that American tech support is any better? Tech support staff everywhere are given guidelines or sometimes scripts to help them work. If they knew better, they wouldn't be working in tech support.
The UCCnet project that was mentioned several times in the article was a project that I was one of the lead developers for when I worked for CommerceOne/AppNet.
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It's interesting to see it in the news.
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Perhaps if they outsourced, they'd get RFID off the ground.
Many years ago I applied to work at Walmart. I didn't plan to work in IT. I just wanted to work at a store part time. I was a teenager in search of money. There was, as I recall, a three-part process: a mini-interview, a questionnaire to fill out, then another interview.
One of the questions on the form was something along the lines of:
"Do you feel that everyone tries drugs at some point in their life."
The question wasn't specific. It didn't ask about "heroin," "marijuana," or even "aspirin."
Anyway, I am sometimes Honest and I felt I needed to answer the question truthfully. So, checked "Yes," and wrote: "Yes, I believe that, at some point during a person's very long life, one tries 'drugs'."
Yes, I was a dink.
The interviewer took my form to be "analyzed" and, to this day, I remember the anger on her face when she walked out of that office.
She said, "So, you think people try drugs, huh? Well, I don't think we have any place for a person like that."
I don't think I can ever work at Walmart. I imagine my "form" along with my name and SS has been filed somewhere.
Anyway, I suppose that Walmart's IT folks aren't pot-smoking, heroin-shooting, aspirin-chewing, drug-experimenters who sit in a daze watching Matrix letters melt on their screens, eh?
If Nalgene water bottles are outlawed, only outlaws will have Nalgene water bottles.
Did you ever look at any of the walmart-branded products and see where they're made?
Actually, Wal-mart outsources it's IT needs at every chance it gets. I do alot of rollouts and installations of IT related stuff for Wal-mart around the state. They use Cisco equipment for most of their switches & routers, and NT4,2000, & AIX on their servers. As for the quality of administration, it's not that bad at all. We have to document everything thing and call in to home office for the simplest of things like swapping ports on a switch so as to keep things in order. I know those are typical things most organizations do internally, but for company this size, I think it's pretty good. The workmanship of some of the wiring around the stores leading to and from the UPC rooms leaves a bit to be desired though.
The comment assumes that any company C which chooses to outsource would benefit (or be detrimented) in exact proportion to every other company C' which made the decision in the same direction.
Outsourcing is not an all-or-nothing proposition and simply WILL make sense for certain business models (or even specific services or product lines) and not for others. That it makes sense for one does not mean it makes sense for all and that it doesn't make sense for one doesn't mean it doesn't make sense for any.
"It is interesting the head of their IT has a degree in architecture"
What!? I thought we were all suppose to be qualified in CS? This is an outrage (much like certification), she must have a CS and be doing it for the "love".
Anyway with that out of the way. I recommend people read "Moving mountains: Lessons in leadership and logistics from the gulf war" by Lt General William G. Pagonis.
Logistics is were things are at, opportunity and money.
The people in charge of Wally*Mart most certainly received their degrees decades ago. I doubt there are any PDP-11s--or whatever they programmed their PIC projects on--still in use today. I also doubt they use Pascal/Fortran on the job, but your sundry 80s BS CS has some of that on her transcript.
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* PHBs and other people who don't know how to interview/judge an applicant's stillset abscribe "value" to a degree, but if you asked them exactly how that applies to the job at hand, you'd get nothing more than vapor lock in return.
Yeah, right.
I know a guy who has an IT job at Wal-Mart. He says they used to have decent health benefits there, comparable to the rest of the IT industry, but recently they were downgraded to the same benefits that the "associates" on the floor get.
In the article, it talked about Teradata providing their data storage. Teradata is more of a solution provider then a maker of storage systems.
http://www.engenio.com/default.aspx?pageID=394
But to get an idea of the hardware they might have in there.
http://www.engenio.com/default.aspx?pageId=61
I'd guess something like that?
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Speaking of Wal-Mart and IT, here is an interesting Salon article on Wal-Mart and RFID.
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The market is like herding cats - it doesn't "do the right thing" - it does what's profitable. And what has ever been profitable is wage slavery.
"That said, it is a boring stable environment that you probably couldn't ever get fired from; guess that appeals to some."
Yes! I find not getting fired very appealing.
A few years back I had a summer internship there... and it sucked big time. Here are a few things I remember (and keep in mind it was 4-5 years ago, so things may have changed):
- everyone was required to be at work at 7:30am... the earliest you could go home was 5:30pm.
- the pay was below industry standards, but it's in Bentonville, AR, so the cost of living was pretty low, too.
- salaried employees at the home office were required to work 2 saturdays a month. IT was actually an exception to that rule, because it was understood that if you're in IT, you're already working a huge amount of overtime.
- the #1 complaint from the employees while I was there was burnout. (big surprise!)
- at the end of the week, you got an email that was copied to your manager that listed: the # of emails you'd sent and received that week both internal and external to the company, the websites you'd visited outside of the intranet, and long distance phone #'s you'd called, the length of the call, and the cost of that call to the company.
That's one of the ways they can spend only 1% of sales on IT: they monitored everything you did and made sure you weren't doing anything non-work related. They offered me a full time position after my internship, but I politely declined.
Oh, and did you know that they have a wal-mart cheer?!
I have several large store chains as customers I support. Not a single one of them use the same bleeding edge methodologies (RFID, data warehousing, etc.) to use IT to grow their businesses like Wal-Mart. This is a really good article and really highlights how using IT can grow your business, versus seeing it as a "requirement" and treating it that way.
Some store chains "like" treating their customers like a vintage bank, i.e. do everything on paper, no redundancy, very low bandwidth links, long credit card validation times, etc. I think that Wal-Mart's success continues to hinge on them utilizing IT and that says a lot about their business.
Alternately, because of a lot of what they do is bleeding edge - they don't get the same level of application and vendor support because other stores have implemented the same systems. While the risk is a lot higher in adopting new systems (i.e. RFID), the gain from being the first adopter and being able to profit off the technology will make up for it if they are successful.
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I can't despise walmart enough, and this is from someone who thought they were a good idea when they started out and used to be a regular shopper. They make MS look like a benevolent charity. They've had to resort to what in essence are a series of public propoganda commercials on the TV (seen 'em? pure FUD) in order to keep up what they are attempting to maintain as an "all amwerican" image with smiling happy workers. It's right out of kim ill dungs ministry of truth video factory.
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" Wal-Mart Exploits Children in Overseas Sweatshops
Behind the slick veneer of success, though, there is incredible misery. Contrary to its "all-American" advertising hype, Wal-Mart sources over 80% of its products from overseas. According to the National Labor Committee, there are 1000 sweatshops in China alone supplying Wal-Mart - many of them owned and operated by the Red Army using political prisoners. Chinese teenagers get just 12 1/5 cents per hour for an 84 hour work week and at night are packed into squalid dormitories under armed guard. In Bangladesh, teenage girls receive as little as 9 cents per hour - far below the official minimum wage of 33 cents/hour - sewing Wal-Mart clothes. Wal-Mart refuses to reveal its factory locations to independent human rights monitors since, in the words of spokewoman, Betsy Reithmeyer, "This is very competitive. If we find a very good factory, we want to keep it to ourselves."
Wal-Mart Also Exploits Its Own Workers in the U.S.!
While, those sitting on Wal-Mart's board of directors earn a whopping $1500/day for their "hard work," the rest of the workforce languishes among America's working poor. Wal-Mart's vehement anti-union attitude means over half of its 720,000 "associates" qualify for federal food stamps. Wal-Mart employees average just $7.50/hr. - well below the national retail wage average of $8.71/hr. At 30 hours per week, a Wal-Mart worker earns barely $11,700 per year - $2000 below the federal poverty line for a single mother with two children."
Basically walmart says, we'll force you to lose your job, then please come shop at our store! It's the american way! Oooh, unions are evil commies, but our trade associations and our relationships with dictatorial regimes are fine!
ohhh..wait... this IS the american way now! How could I forget!
This is what all these globalist goons want for the united states, this is how you will compete, so remember to vote for the NWO R.epressive And D.omineering corporate party this election, it will speed up the transformation to a glorius culture of low pay, dismal working conditions, and the cheapest designed and built crap possible! YaaaaY!
Fortunately, most people are smart enough to understand that some people sometimes say one thing and do another.
"...sales are quoted at more than 250 billion dollars, their IT spending is less than 1% of that."
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Let's see here....
$250,000,000,000.00
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2,500,000,000.00
Just working with the 1% number, we can see their IT budget is ~2.5 billion bucks. With that much loot, I think it's fair to say, one can move mountains... and still make it back in time for afternoon tea.
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How Wal-Mart is Remaking our World
By Jim Hightower.
Posted April 26, 2002.
From union busting to Chinese sweatshops, there are a thousand reasons to worry about Wal-Mart.
Bullying people from your town to China
Corporations rule. No other institution comes close to matching the power that the 500 biggest corporations have amassed over us. The clout of all 535 members of Congress is nothing compared to the individual and collective power of these predatory behemoths that now roam the globe, working their will over all competing interests.
The aloof and pampered executives who run today's autocratic and secretive corporate states have effectively become our sovereigns. From who gets health care to who pays taxes, from what's on the news to what's in our food, they have usurped the people's democratic authority and now make these broad social decisions in private, based solely on the interests of their corporations. Their attitude was forged back in 1882, when the villainous old robber baron William Henry Vanderbilt spat out: "The public be damned! I'm working for my stockholders."
The media and politicians won't discuss this, for obvious reasons, but we must if we're actually to be a self-governing people. That's why the Lowdown is launching this occasional series of corporate profiles. And why not start with the biggest and one of the worst actors?
The beast from Bentonville
Wal-Mart is now the world's biggest corporation, having passed ExxonMobil for the top slot. It hauls off a stunning $220 billion a year from We the People (more in revenues than the entire GDP of Israel and Ireland combined).
Wal-Mart cultivates an aw-shucks, we're-just-folks-from-Arkansas image of neighborly small-town shopkeepers trying to sell stuff cheaply to you and yours. Behind its soft homespun ads, however, is what one union leader calls "this devouring beast" of a corporation that ruthlessly stomps on workers, neighborhoods, competitors, and suppliers.
Despite its claim that it slashes profits to the bone in order to deliver "Always Low Prices," Wal-Mart banks about $7 billion a year in profits, ranking it among the most profitable entities on the planet.
Of the 10 richest people in the world, five are Waltons--the ruling family of the Wal-Mart empire. S. Robson Walton is ranked by London's "Rich List 2001" as the wealthiest human on the planet, having sacked up more than $65 billion (£45.3 billion) in personal wealth and topping Bill Gates as No. 1.
Wal-Mart and the Waltons got to the top the old-fashioned way--by roughing people up. The corporate ethos emanating from the Bentonville headquarters dictates two guiding principles for all managers: extract the very last penny possible from human toil, and squeeze the last dime from every supplier.
With more than one million employees (three times more than General Motors), this far-flung retailer is the country's largest private employer, and it intends to remake the image of the American workplace in its image--which is not pretty.
Yes, there is the happy-faced "greeter" who welcomes shoppers into every store, and employees (or "associates," as the company grandiosely calls them) gather just before opening each morning for a pep rally, where they are all required to join in the Wal-Mart cheer: "Gimme a 'W!'" shouts the cheerleader; "W!" the dutiful employees respond. "Gimme an A!'" And so on.
Behind this manufactured cheerfulness, however, is the fact that the average employee makes only $15,000 a year for full-time work. Most are denied even this poverty income, for they're held to part-time work. While the company brags that 70% of its workers are full-time, at Wal-Mart "full time" is 28 hours a week, meaning they gross less than $11,000 a year.
Health-care benefits? Only if you've been there two years; then the plan
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Ok, the 250 Billion number is big, gigantic, whaleish.
But more importantly EBITA is 20.41B. Now their IT budget, not only is it practically huge, it is actually a large percentage of thier earnings.
And as it should be. WalMart, makes it's money of off IT. Being so massive, small advantages turn into large dollars. And for them outsourcing would lower thier IT budget, but hurt them in discovering small advantages.
Most companies do not have this advantage. They cannot overcome the investment costs. But WalMart can...
...there would be a big problem. $2.5 Billion in IT costs? For a global supermarket chain? I mean, if it was a technology company with big R&D budgets (like, oh, IBM, or something), that'd be a different story, perhaps.
On the other hand, $250 Billion in sales is just that...sales of largely physical goods. A better indicator would be as compared to profits...or as a percentage of operating costs.
I was hoping this would be "Inside Wal-Mark 'it' girls", a follow-on to the successful "Girls of Wal-Mart".
What company in its right mind would do that to Wal-Mart? They're a company with more than enough money to effectively bury any of their little vendors who tried to defraud them like that. And that is exactly what they would be doing if they did that.
Whatever gains they might get, Wal-Mart's vendors could never justify the risks involved. Suppose they only get a few more "sales" here and there. Is that kind of increase in revenue worth getting millions of dollars in legal fees and fines shoved up their ass? Besides if it is a largescale operation, the chances that Wal-Mart would catch on very quickly is very high.
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Wal-Mart = cheap junk sold to more or less captive audiences, bought from squeezed (mostly offshore) suppliers, thru stores staffed by underpaid workers. Who wants to race them to the bottom? Who (if you have a choice) wants to work there? Who wants to emulate them? Who wants to sell to them? Kee-rist!!!!!
Don't sell IT software or services to Wal-Mart. They treat IT vendors just like they do makers of physical goods. http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/77/walmart.htm l
They'll negotiate you down to nearly 0 profit on your goods and service, and you'll sell because at the /next/ renewal you'll increase the rates slightly and make some of that money back... and Wal-Mart is a good reference account (just look at those seats man!).
Once they get you in-house they'll rape your internal IT support until they become your most expensive customer to support... after all their internal people are underpaid and undertrained. And if you balk, their lawyers will eat you alive. Then next year when you try to raise your rates to a level where you can at least break even, they'll find some other vendor stupid enough to think Wal_Mart makes a good reference company and tear out your solution to implement their. And the cycle continues.
Instead of landing Wal-Mart as an IT customer just give 2.6 million dollars to them and pound a nail through your hand. It's cheaper and less painful.
Yeah, what are the moderators thinking? Funny? WTF?!
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Disclaimer: I work for walmart.com so you can think whatever you want about my potentially biased opinions, below.
I've been working for walmart.com since June. walmart.com is wholly owned by Wal-Mart Incorporated; our computer systems are different from IDS's, the group mentioned in the article, but the company culture and mission are the same. I see a lot of misinformation about what Wal-Mart and walmart.com do or do not in terms of IT and jobs. Most of what I see is bullshit spoken by people who've never worked here or who have bought the "Wal-Mart is Evil" propaganda.
I've worked as a systems architect for some of the largest banks in the world, Nortel, Bell Atlantic, Sun Microsystems, IBM, start-ups, etc. Nowhere other than walmart.com have I seen an environment where the technology folks are encouraged to do their best like at walmart.com. While the politics in most places veer toward "it's not my job", here we are all encouraged to help and participate in addressing a problem and solving it. As a result, things get done very smoothly, people aren't afraid to speak their minds, and lots of sharp people keep joining the ranks (for example, one of the lead guys behind OS X now works for us).
As far as the tools required to do your job, the company will get you, no questions asked, anything that you need to get your job done, with a minimum of red tape. Our standard development environments are Linux and Windows. For various reasons I filed a special request for a Mac with the latest OS X to complement my other two, brand new--and high-end--Dell boxes. I got it within hours as soon as I justified what I needed it for. The company will also pay for mobile/cable Internet access/Blackberry/etc. bills if you're using those to accomplish your job. Even if that means that you only log on to work once a month over that cable/DSL/whatever connection to check an email. Special software that you may need is only a signature away.
After having worked at so many places, I can say that the people at walmart.com have a sense of mission and truly enjoy their work mainly because the company's and employees' goals are aligned. There are cases of people burning out, like at any other company, but even those who've left speak kindly of the company. I, for one, have a lot of fun with my work and almost immediate gratification when it comes to the sense of accomplishment.
We interact with the folks from ISD, the ones that the article was about. As far as I can tell their sense of mission is as vibrant as ours.
As far as salaries are concerned, nobody I know has any complaints. I make a 6-figure salary before a substantial bonus coming my way next year; you never hear anybody bitching about salaries at the water fountain or coffee station. The benefits are great. The salaries, benefits and perks are above those of most companies in Silicon Valley (we're located at its outer edge, in Brisbane, CA). We have the option to telecommute and/or have a flexible schedule.
In sum, it's a fun, exciting, and challenging place to work.
I posted this because I get tired of people engaging into Wal-Mart bashing without knowing what the hell they're talking about. I know as a fact what the work, salaries, benefits, working environment, etc. are like. We are at the cutting edge of technology and we are successful at it. While the article from InfoWeek may not fit some slashdotters' perception of the company, it is probably accurate in describing the goings on at Wal-Mart technology.
(Another disclaimer: I don't think I'm supposed to discuss what our exact infrastructure is; I will tell say, though, that whatever Netcraft is reporting about software from an Evil Company is wrong.)
Oh, before I forget... we're still expanding and continuously hiring smart Linux/Java/etc. people, in case you want to come and see for yourself. In fact, I know we're hiring at a higher rate and with much lower attrition than most places in Silicon Valley as well.
Cheers,
Anonymous Coward today, with aThe nucleus of the IT infrastructure Dillman presides over is a single, centralized, 423-terabyte Teradata system that churns data from 1,387 discount stores, 1,615 Supercenters, 542 Sam's Clubs, and 75 Neighborhood Markets in the United States, plus 1,520 more stores worldwide. "That's key to how we can leverage what we do into the future," says Dan Phillips.
This may give the impression that this is the centralized mainframe system for Walmart.
Actually, Teradata is used for Walmart's Datawarehouse, which is one of the most efficient uses of datawarehouses around. It does not process online transactions, it only does decision support type of work, with massive amounts of data.
Others like Oracle and DB2 sure do beat it for online transaction processing (OLTP), but for Decision Support work on very large databases, Teradata is king. This is the major source of confusion when Teradata is mentioned, and the comparison is not apples to apples.
Here is an an old comment by me with some details on Walmart's use of Teradata.
Here is another comment by someone else on Teradata.
Disclaimer: I still work for NCR, but not with their Teradata division.
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Anyone want to play the "What If ..." scenario game?
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What if WalMart is in charged of the IT industry
What if MicroSoft runs by the WalMart people ?
What if Intel is owned by Walmart ?
Will Linux exist get its chance ?
What will InterNet looks like ?
The Virus, Spams, etc. that are plaguing
everyone using computer today, if WalMart is
in charged, will they ever happen ?
Thx.
Muchas Gracias, Señor Edward Snowden !
I agree with you 100% - no corporation, ever has done so much damage to workers, the environment, and living standards as Walmart has in the last twenty years. 10% of our trade deficit with China is directly from Walmart. Buy American my ass...
But on this subject, isn't the ultra-centralized Walmart IT structure scary? A central office which can monitor everything down to flower delivery, which tries to arrange goods in trucks to keep workers from having to search through them for material, which now wants RFID "to improve the product mix." Is there any need for any intelligence, iniative, individuality in any of the Walmart stores?
Would you want to work for a company - or shop in a store - which shows so little faith in its employees and customers that its constructing a system to monitor every transaction from a central office? What would it feel like to be an employee in those stores?
And frankly - those who work in IT for Walmart should think about the monster that they've helped create. This is the Orwellian face of capitalism, brought to life by high technology and a compacent public.
Just don't shop at this disgusting, labor crushing, and invasive company's stores!
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Are we thinking they're going to outsourcing to Mars? They are outsourcing, just not in the way as defined by the current political definition.
comunities who let Walmart's in see a dramatic rise in the number of people claiming government benefits (medicare/caid, welfare, child care, etc). Walmart pays so little and their benefits suck so much that just about anyone who works there qualifies. They're nothing but a leech on the communities they move in on. Yeah, you're getting low prices now, but they long term impact sucks.
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I see lots of complaints about poor IT conditions, overtime, low pay etc.
Guess way, there aren't lots of high tech jobs in Arkansas. If you're in IT, odds are you work for Wal-Mart, Acxiom or Tyson. Low competition means low salaries. If you don't like it, move to another state. All three are customers of my current employer. All three have some unhappy employees.
On the other hand, things are cheap there. A friend just bought a 5000 square foot home on many acres of land for the same price I paid for my 900 sqft condo . (I live in Boston.)
Its a nice place to visit (I've been there twice for work) but I wouldn't want to be employed there.
The DBA at my last job came from there. He was fired on a bogus, trumped-up accusation of sexual harassment when the real reason was because he caught strep-throat from being rundown and exhausted from the sweatshop work environment and they weren't willing to give him a couple days off to recuperate, and the antibiotics his doctor prescribed were giving him severe diarhea so he had to spend a lot of time in the bathroom. His female supervisor was ordered to find some way to get rid of him, so she simply lied and claimed that he made a rude sexual comment to her and poof... he was out the door.
Businesses are always looking for _any_ way to increase profits. It doesn't matter how. It's because that's the CEO/management's job, and if they don't do it every chance they get then the short-term thinkin' fucks who drive the stock market will replace them damn fast. Think of it this way, if I'm a CEO and I save the company 100 million a year by outsourcing, chances are good I'll pocket serveral million as a bonus. 'Strong and stable business'? What do I care, I just pocketed 10 million bucks!
Moreover, companies (and CEOs) are increasigly global entities. They move and operatate on a global scale, and can therefor skirt localized nastiness like recessions in one country or bloody revolutions in another. Marx predicted this, but all anyone can remember from him is that Stalin and Mao used his books for rhetoric.
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I was in Boone, NC today, and stopped by the local wally world with my better half. While we were at the register, we noticed the "server" room. The gear looked like a bunch of old cisco hubs/low end 1u switches, five or six OLD compaq servers. The servers nor the room were well maintained, We could see tons of dust on the equipment, and the cealing tiles which were also very low... infact, It looked like the room's cealing was just less then 8 feet and they had two 7 foot telco racks. The wiring was just a MESS. Maybe my time spent wiring datacenters has caused a neat and tidy wiring OCD, but damn that room was nasty, with old nasty gear. Hell, those compaqs looked like the stuff compaq was putting out in the mid 90s....
Okay, I'm done ranting now. I feel much better.
That's not very odd, because any "head" job (except the good kind) are time and resource management and not technical. There really isn't time to keep up with the technology details, so you hire people to do that for you.
This is an interesting article.
The Navy decided to outsource their entire network (not just the IT component) via the Navy Marine Corp Intranet (NCMI) contract. A 8.9 Billion, dollars which is best described as a system design in a vacuum at the top with no input from the working level, emphasizing centralized control and is centered around Microsoft core products.
Dissension is strictly forbidden at all levels - even constructive criticism. All press releases are rosy. But from the inside the situation is anything but rosy.
Some at the upper end forgot that Scientist and Engineers work for the Navy and need a wide range of tools to do their job and be innovative. Very little open source software is on the approved for use including dangerous software like Apache or Firefox. Strangely we are required to use IE instead of Mozilla or Firefox.
In practice what is see happening is that the old "legacy" netowrk is staying around why everyone just uses the NCMI network to read email and access the web. So in effect the Navy just hobbled its budget by $8.8x 10^9 dollars. Great winfall for Microsoft and Dell though.
A while back Cringely had an interesting article on the comparision of the NMCI venture and the way Walmart does IT. In a protracted war he placed his bets on Walmart winnng.
I used to work at Stream and I supported a variety of applications to do things like ocr, document layout etc (and I got paid like 9$ an hour to do so...).
Anyhow one day I got a call from a customer at WallMart who was having trouble ocring a document that was made in word (she told me this right at the begining). The problem was the program wasn't picking up text inside grid like cells. I found later on the OCR app was marking all the grids as artifacts (ie pictures that can't be captured). I then made the mistake of asking if they could just get the word document and make that into a pdf if it would be a better work flow.
Turns out the only reason they bought this ocr application was to move word documents from a machine across the room. Reason? They couldn't email the document from one computer to another, the computer's floppy drive was locked down, the computers usb port was locked down. So someone had the brilliant idea to spend thousands of dollars on an ocr application, print the document out, capture the document on another machine, which made it into a pdf, where they would take acrobat and save it as a word doc and correct any mistakes. Yes Wallmart's wonderful IT department is saving them money and time.
I'm not kidding in the slightest - I swear on a stack of bibles this is really what she told me.
Companies don't outsource their CIO. They need the CIO to negotiate with the companies that they outsource to!
Building on clay is fine, as long as you have good drainage and ventilation between the house and the ground.
It's building on *sand* that proverbially leads to danger.
Perhaps you were thinking of "feet of clay", which is a metaphor about virtue, not prudence.
Since I don't work for Wal-Mart, and my butt was the one 25ft up in the air running cable, I would call this outsourcing.
The situation is more complicated than that. The your taxes are so high is because the social safety net was never designed to handle our current economic climate. We have a workforce that is barely growing (declining birth rate) combined with a retired population that is mushrooming (better medical care). The vast majority of our social safety net spending goes to supporting senior citizens.
Even retired people who did save responsibly are finding that they need social security and medicare because they didn't plan on spending the last five years of their lives dishing out money on palliative care and wonder treatments that are expensive beyond anything they could have concieved of. Heck, a lot of them didn't even plan on spending those five years alive.
Anyway, the gist is that they are costing more per person. And because the workforce is not growing nearly as quickly as the retired population is, your share of the cost of taking care of them is becoming proportionally larger.
Assuming that we don't want to turn the future into Soylent Green or Logan's Run, this doesn't leave us much safety net to cut. I haven't read the 2004 or 2005 budgets carefully enough to be sure of the exact numbers, but I do know that in the 2005 budget nondiscretionary spending accounts for only about 10% of the budget.
I have no idea how much of that is social safety net and how much is police and fire stations and pavement and all, so let's say half. We'll also throw any emotions out the door and cut all of that 5% of the budget, even the human services and all of that.
So with all of that cut out, you've gone from paying 50% of your income in taxes to paying 47.5% of your income in taxes.
Not that I feel sorry for you, anyway. If you're earning enough to be paying 50% in income tax, you are still bringing enough home after taxes to be investing an amount at least equal to my annual income before taxes each year. And you'd still have enough disposable income laying around to live in a huge house and drive a BMW.
...it will be... blissssssssss...
I'd never want to shop there. I'd go blind!
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... bring in some folks who would do what's right for the Company rather than cow-tail to Microsoft...
Um.. that's kowtow.
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I will say this. Yes, they pay low wages. Yes its a burn out. IT for retail, is *generally* very high stress for penny-pinching companys. I would rather have that stress working for a dominant company than say for K-mart.
But yes they have a great can-do, really make it work attitude and if you implement something for wal*mart and it works, it will probably work anywhere. I know several folks whose careers were made at wal*mart. Almost any competitor will gladly snap you up with a big, big raise if you have made your credentials in wal*mart IT.
Oh yeah, and did anyone mention how nasty wal*mart can be if they find out you plan to leave them? (* if you quit and you are useful they figure you are going to a competitor *eventually* So therefore you are a "traitor" *) Most folks who quit try to leave as quietly as possible. Its the only place I ever worked where I saw that sort of behavior.
Have a NICE day.
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primary differentiator +12%
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If you really think about it, Wal-mart is not evil. In fact, Wal-mart gives almost all of the benefit attained through their relentless cost cutting initatives back to consumers. Wal-mart's margins are actualy very small compared to most other businesses. Profits seem big because Wal-mart has sales of $250 billion, but margins are tiny.
Wal-mart does not force people into their stores at gun point. People shop there of their own free will so that they can get the absolute lowest price possible. This behavior has consequences.
Pay a higher price at your local store on main street, and suport their higher cost structure (buying american manufactured goods, higher wages and benefits for employees, lost productivity due to unionized labor force, etc.) or support the Wal-mart way.
Most Americans choose Wal-mart. This is what sends jobs overseas to cheaper labor, encourages "big box store" suburban sprawl, and low quality jobs in the store. Wal-mart is simply supplying what the american consumer wants. this is not evil, this is meeting demand. Wal-mart would not be sucessful if people valued quality jobs over low prices always, in fact, they would be out of business very quickly (remember the low margin thing?)
I work for a company that sells various products to Walmart. In the last couple of years we moved from a mish mash of paper/fax/edi to full blown AS2/EDIINT connectivity. Of all the partners we have made this transition with, the Walmart team was the most knowledgeable about their own software, AS2 connectivity, and their partner expectations.
Yes, setting up with them was not about user friendliness, but trust me, they were the partners we have had the absolute fewest issues with. For any issue, they are knowledgeable, helpful, and consistent. The folks I spoke with at 1st and 2nd level support were polite and all about resolution, not blame, or fault and took ownership.
As I said, I work for a company that does a huge amount of business with them, but I can't say all the above things about any of our other partners.
they seem to spend pretty well. We get $120/hour for jobs at wal-mart, and that's from a broker who no doubt makes much more, which is very high for this area. I think the main thing is that they move so much volume that it dwarfs their tech spending.
Actually, large, successful businesses may outsource some of their IT, even if their business depends largely on IT as a core competency. (Not that I'm suggesting that this would be true of my employer, or that it's necessarily a good idea.)
It happens all over the HVAC/BAS industry, sometimes in surprising ways and places. Large organizations frequently have so much entrenched organizational infrastructure, and such a huge reluctance to deprecate older systems in favor of "backward compatibility," the only way for them to innovate MAY be to outsource strategic products. This is one of the many reasons that smaller companies can gain a foothold with a given market.
In large companies that don't outsource, you'll frequently see them do the next best thing by acquiring small, nimble competitors. In some ways, such a strategy is even better than outsourcing, assuming that you can convince enough of the acquired employees to stick around after the fact.
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The way I heard it, The USSR never got around to using computer technology to do central planning because every mid-level and even many high level USSR bureaucrats saw the end result of this immediately.
A thousand and one reasons were invented as to why this couldn't work, but there was only one very good reason: All across the Russian there were factories that existed on paper in the Department of Central Planning in Moscow, but which were in fact a pile of bricks and a hole in the ground.
Centralized, computerized planning planning would have blown the whole mess right out of the water!
They are not outsourcing in those cases, they are just purchasing products that happen to be made elsewhere. The walmart branding is just something that their size gives them the clout to get.
The notion that consumers are choosing to be part of the exploitation Wal-Mart is responsible for only works if the shoppers are given all the facts - and at the moment they don't have the information.
Until laws force companies to disclose information about the origin of products, and open up their supply chains to independent monitoring - then ordinary shoppers aren't going to have the information to make an informed choice.
That price tag hides a lot more than most people realise - and that price tag needs to change.
this position required a lot of travel and when they travelled, they slept two people in the same hotel room because "it's the Wal-Mart way".
This is true since the time of Sam Walton.
Sam Walton used to travel coach when he travelled
& used to share a hotel room with others he travelled with.
Sam Walton used to say that every penny I spend
unneccesarily comes from the customers wallet & I
have to make sure Walmart cuts any expenditure it
can.
I have contracted at Walmart.
Wal-mart has the worst working environment of places that I've worked at bar none. I have heard of worse places, but havent experienced such horror first hand, so Walmart is at the top of my shit list. Let me list a few observations :
Other than the above list, there are other considerations too that may apply depending on whether you are conservative or not. For example, at the time I was there (1997), one couldnt get MTV on cable, because the consensus was that MTV was satanic ("work of the devil" was the actual quote I heard). The number of churches outnumbered the number of gas stations. And when the neighbouring town of Fayetteville ("First home of Bill and Hillary Clinton" states a prominent billboard as you drive into it) was subject to a new ordinance outlawing the sale of beer in the biggest titty bar in the region, that proved to be yet another nail in the coffin for many contractors who were working there from out of state.
Plus, if you cant take being located in the middle of nowhere, dont work at Walmart HQ.
There is no such thing as luck. Luck is nothing but an absence of bad luck.
I hate to be a grammar-Nazi, but what the hell did you just say?
Most people are in the 15% federal bracket (Single filers start paying that at $7,150, married filing joint start paying that at $14,300) - so your minimum federal tax obligation is 30.3% including FICA before deductions. Add state taxes on top of that, then sales tax, gas tax, property tax, user fees and the like and you're approaching 50%.
A fine is a tax you pay for doing wrong and a tax is a fine you pay for doing all right.
Sounds like a 2600 magazine article.
It hauls off a stunning $220 billion a year
Wal-Mart banks about $7 billion a year in profits, ranking it among the most profitable entities on the planet
7 billion in profit on 220 billion in sales is a miserable 3.18%, making WM modestly successful for a retailer but SAD, SAD, SAD when it comes to a lot of other companies in terms of profitability. And speaking of retailing, plenty of specialty stores have much higher profitability but just haven't grown so large as WM because less people want whatever specialty.
Have you been reading 'No Brands' or similar nonsense again?
Most of our lives will extend well into the long run in economic terms, but what you seem to favor is the "management" of the economy by the deep thinkers whose management policies are informed by a desire to buy near-term votes from short-sighted simpletons.
Those are not likely to be the policies that will benefit you most over the course of your life.
"Those who have never entered upon scientific pursuits know not a tithe of the poetry by which they are surrounded."
It's worth noting that everything about which they complain (except the profitability and size) were characteristics of the now bankrupt Ames as well. K-Mart is the current competitor. These are all just natural characteristics of a department store. They sell cheap junk as cheaply as possible.
What do people expect?
They make their vendors do all the work. They dangle a huge arse contract in front of you then they systematically increase the requirements while reducing the contract. Their management actually gets trained on how to manipulate and harass their vendors. A lot of the home office IT staff is only their to manage vendors.
How do they do this? They hook you in with the big carrot, then they never give you any written requirements, everything is verbal and they make you implement and test in Bentonville. Trust me no good can come from working with Wal-Mart.
They say less then 1% of that like it's not a lot of money... That's somewhere in the neighborhood of 2 BILLION dollars a year.
I currently have no clever signature witicism to add here.
The current mess is just a pyramid scheme and the older generation has screwed over the younger generation worse than at any other time in history. The US is now messed up in ways that are embarrassing and where is its current population from? The US has been at 1:1 replacement for its own population since before 1970 but there were 200 million people in 1970 and now there are 300 million. Where did that other 100 million people come from? They weren't born in the US so they must be imports and now they account for 1/3 of the population. in the past 30 years the number have ranged for 290,000 to nearly a million year so where did the other 70 million people come from? The US immigration policy may be adding in a few layers at the bottom of the pyramid scheme but the US was doing better 30 years ago than its doing now. Its industry was strong and families only needed on parent to work one job.
Yaup, I live right here in Bentonville, AR. Wal-Mart most certainly knows good and well what an H1-B visa is.
Don't be fooled, they don't NEED to outsource - they have opted to just bring people from India here to the US. Not that there really are that many people in their IT dept anyway. *shrugs*
Though, parts of it certainly will make you feel like you're in India. Especially when you start looking for a COBOL programmer.
My wife's grandfather conistently says that he NEVER would have retired at 65 if he thought he'd still be alive at 86.
That problem hasn't been adjusted for in Social Security or society in general. When he and my grandfather were young and SS was just starting up and the retirement age was set, the average person didn't even make it to 65. As such, it wasn't really designed to pay out that much. The arbitrary retirement age of 65 hasn't caught up with the reality that people live longer than that now.
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Jim Hightower seem to have forgotten something (unless I missed it in my speed read), it cost a city about $420,000 per Wal Mart for social service rendered to Wal Marts low wage "full timers"
"...Because of the low wages and because people do not have health insurance through their employer, people rely on public support to make ends meet," says the school's Ken Jacobs. Estimates are the result is a tab to California taxpayers of $82-million a year for health care, food stamps, and other social services.LINK
Julius Caesar - Act I, Scene i: "What mean'st thou by that? Mend me, thou saucy fellow!"
Wal-Mart charges enough to make a nice profit. Every other retail store plays games with prices. Shoppers who don't want to play adversarial games go to Wal-Mart.
Here's an example of two companies playing games: We bought a Netgear FVS318 router/firewall from Fry's. It was advertised with a rebate.
After many lost hours we found: 1) The remote administration requires sending the password in the clear, so there is little remote security. 2) Netgear technical support is in Tamil Nadu, India. Netgear does not appear to have given the Tamil employees much training. 3) The log out menu choice sometimes does not log out. So, arguably no one should buy the FVS318. Maybe that's why the rebate offer.
Fry's and Netgear played another trick. The wrote a very long rebate form, with the name and the address at the top, as usual, and asked for the name and the address again at the bottom. If you didn't see the second request for name and address, or thought it was a mistake, they deny the rebate request.
People don't like playing these kind of games. Wal-Mart acts as the shopper's advocate. If a company wants to play games, Wal-Mart will stop buying from that company.
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George W. Bush's brother was on 20/20 talking about his prostitutes. Family values?
That's sad.
"... looking like a junk heap." It's amazing what a mess the stores are now.
It's even more amazing that a huge company was so dependent on just one person for good management.
A famous venture capital manager said that there is plenty of money and plenty of ideas. The biggest shortage is not enough good managers.
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Bush: Borrowing money to try to make his administration look good.
We'd be nuts to outsource,' a top IT executive at Wal-Mart replies."
No shit, if you pay them like you pay everybody else I am sure you are saving money instead of paying those high $$$ Indian salaries.
Wow..."The nucleus of the IT infrastructure Dillman presides over is a single, centralized, 423-terabyte Teradata system"
How do you backup a 423-terabyte database?
...products on the shelves at walmart represent products that one generation ago or less were manufactured inside the US. My beef isn't with the workers at walmart, and no idea how or why you would infer that, so I'll officially dispell that notion right now. My beef is high level collusion, bad foreign policy, supporting massive human rights abusers, and the notion that destroying the US economy and security just to make much less than 1% of the population a ton of loot is a good idea. Nuts to that!
As to folks who lost their jobs over the past 20 years due to outsourcing, I sincerely doubt that ALL those people willingly begged their bosses to please close the factory and take it to china, so that they could shop at some store like a walmart while they looked for a new job. For some folks it has happened multiple times so far. Comes a point in time you got to say "ok, enough" It just happened to them. It was sold to us as opening up global trade, "everyone wins". Yet we CONSISTENTLY run trade imbalances, especially with china? Why is that? Give me an exact answer to that if you can, why the trade imbalance? shouldn't it have settled out by now? (My pov,hint: china makes more money, and a very few very wealthy people make more money with things like that), but I'd still like to hear the official approved version of why this imbalance with "free trade" exists to such a huge extent.
25 years ago, the USA was the worlds largest CREDITOR nation, now we are the worlds largest DEBTOR nation. True facts, look 'emup. Exact same time frame the walmartization-the outsourcing- of the economy occurred.
You may think it's a coincidence, but I sure don't. I wrote and predicted way back then what is happening now would occur. You'll have to take my word on that, but it happened. It's OBVIOUS as all get out what happens when you open up the labor market intenationally WITHOUT opening up the housing and whatnot true "cost of living market" internationally and simultaneously.
I don't claim to know every human who works at walmart,but the three I know personally all had much better jobs that evaporated, and took walmart jobs out of *desperation* to have any income at all. I will grant that it's most probable that humans have an incredible variety of reasons for seeking employment most places. I think though it would be fair to assume that most folks working there would rather have 40 hours with better pay and some bennies, like most "middle class" jobs used to be inside the US.
Like I said, I used to be a supporter of walmart and shopped there, back when it was first open and sam walton ran it and it had mostly all USA products. Now that it's switched to being merely the arm of the Peoples Republic of China-retail division*, I can see that it is harmful to our domestic economy, because of the raw hard observable data, and from the perspective that a truly strong and independent nation *must* have a fully integrated vertical economy. It is an incredibly boneheaded move to fund, develop, enrich the one nation that is most likely to be your biggest global competitor (and most probgably military antagonist) once the oil really starts evaporating. It's a strategic blunder of almost unfathomable proportions. That is my opinion, but it is shared by many people of geopolitical and scholary bent. People who are only concerned about short term financial profits, no, they don't share that opinion. Some folks just have different priorities.
****WHY any nation that values freedom allegedly wants to do business with a one party total dictatorship, with NO RIGHTS whatsoever for it's people,and who have verifiably murdered millions of their own peoples is beyond me. In ww2 we fought against such a system, then we had a massive and expensive cold war against a similar system, but now, an extremly similar situation and nation, differing only in language, ethnicity and gross physical size becomes "most favored nation" trading partner with every big "american" businessman
"It's because that's the CEO/management's job, and if they don't do it every chance they get then the short-term thinkin' fucks who drive the stock market will replace them damn fast."
Yeah! Showed that Gil Amelio we did.
While realizing that any business doing as much volume as WalMart is subject to numerous negative editorials and comments.... I still think the jury's out on how much relative good vs. damage a WalMart store really does.
In all honesty, wage issues are among the least of my concerns. As always, WalMart isn't holding a gun to anyone's head, forcing them to come work for them. People willingly apply for all of their positions, understanding what they're going to be paid and what the benefits are (or aren't!). They obviously comply with the minimum federal wage guidelines, or else they'd be forced to change. So where's the real problem?
Where WalMart concerns me more is with their business practices when purchasing. (They use some of the same "bullying" tactics used by other large chains like "Guitar Center", but on a much larger scale.) EG. They find a relatively small business making a desireable product, and approach them - promising to buy up huge numbers. The small business takes the bait, thinking "Hey, this one contract alone triples our total yearly business!" They sign, say, a 1 year contract - and then they're forced to invest heavily in more manufacturing capability to meet Walmart's large order. All is great until contract renewal time, when WalMart puts on the squeeze - saying "Now we won't buy anything from you again, unless you sell to us for, say, 15% less than last year!" The small business is caught between a rock and a hard place, since they're still trying to pay off their investment in expansion. If they tell WalMart to "go take a hike", they're basically signing their own bankruptcy paperwork - but if they agree, their profit margin is slim to none. Even if they can manage WalMart's discount demands, the same will happen again on the 3rd. round of contract negotiations - until finally, they have to dump WalMart and likely go under as a result.
Ultimately, businesses just need to learn how WalMart treats them, and turn down their initial offers -- but that doesn't mean I think WalMart deserves any praise for their tactics.
You are right. It's not walmart that's the problem it's capitalism. The goal of capitalism is to increase the amount of greed, gluttony, pride, covetousness, avarice and the rest of the seven deadly sins in the world.
evil is as evil does
Let's go point by point, shall we?
1. Likely you were stuffed into what is affectionately termed a 'war room'. These are the occasional 'situation rooms' W*M ISD puts together when something goes horribly wrong - they get all the right people and a few layers of management together in one room and hash it out - sometimes lasting minutes, the longest (which I was involved in) lasting 3 months. Not hardly 'standard conditions'
2. Yes, Wal-Mart's pay is lower than the industry standard, but when you consider that their IT is centered in BFE Arkansas while most other IT is on the coasts, the COL is so much lower it just really doesn't make a difference. Most first-year employees can buy a new car and a 3-bedroom house on their initial salary. And you need more than that? The store visits (once a year - *ouch*) are instituted to keep people from forgetting what IT's number one goal is - helping the business make money. They work one evening a year in the stores. That's really harsh.
3. Lee Scott empties his own trash, and that's been the status quo for some time. Let me tell you, if someone has trouble getting up once a week or so and walking the 30m it takes to get to the bins, well...
4. What cafeteria that serves 1000+ meals (at an average cost of $3.50) a day has just spectacular food?
5. The practice of sharing rooms has been in place since day one, when Sam Walton first started travelling with executives. To this day, most of the execs still share rooms, down to the lowest first-year hires, unless paying the extra out of their own pocket. Why is saving money wrong? They're not required to share, only to pay the difference should they elect not to.
The locale comments are... in line with the 'Bible Belt'. Unless in a very urban area (KC, StL, etc.) that's what you're going to find in the midwest. That's what those people like, that's what they believe in; if you can't stand it, there's no one forcing anyone to work there.
A silly troll, of course, but even allowing the premise I would sooner choose a system which throughout the western world has created in spite of itself a level of technological sophistication and general prosperity never before seen on earth than one well-intended but with only a horrifying record of blood soaked social ruination to its credit (any true brand of socialism).
The problem isn't capitalism, the problem is people - and there is no institutional cure for that problem (as the total unmitigated failure of socialism has proven decisively). So, rather than adopting a system that could only work if everyone were either an angel or a mindless ant (socialism), you adopt one that basically just works, capitalism, and do your part as a decent human being to fight the good fight. If everyone were perfect, capitalism would work perfectly too - that's not its virtue. Its virtue is that it works fairly well given people as they are, not only as they might be.
If you live in Podunk, USA, you probably don't have a choice. This is because Wal-Mart will artificially lower their prices to force out any competitors, once they've wiped everybody out, they raise 'em again. There's an excellent program on PBS recently, see it if you get a chance.
Pay a higher price at your local store on main street, and suport their higher cost structure (buying american manufactured goods, higher wages and benefits for employees, lost productivity due to unionized labor force, etc.)
True, workers in Safeway make $18/hr vs $8/hr for WM. But it's not just that. The PBS show gave some interesting insight into how Wal-Mart works. They get communities to give them huge tax incentives by showing how much sales revenue and jobs they will "generate". What the small towns don't realize is Wal-Mart doesn't "magically" create any more revenue, it just cannibalizes the other stores, so that in fact, total revenue goes down, especially if Wal-Mart headquarters decides they don't need the store anymore, after 10 years or so and closes it. Further, the bulk of the money goes elsewhere, out of the community, back to Bentonville.
Now back to the original point about insurance and pay. It actually turns out worse for the towns, that still have to provide care for their now non-insured population of workers. So they are basically subsidizing Wal-Mart in this way, not just in the tax benefits.
Wal-mart is simply supplying what the american consumer wants. this is not evil, this is meeting demand.
That's what you would think. But now you see it's just another tax loophole essentially, just as the mall sprawl was partially because real estate tax benefits, i.e. I invest my millions in a mall, and get a great ROI, regardless of whether the mall does well or not (see excellent New Yorker article about the history of Malls in the U.S.). Blame it on the accountants.
How does one leave quietly? Wouldn't they know?
George W. Bush's brother was on 20/20 [go.com] talking about his prostitutes. Family values?
not a bush fan or a politics fan but...
Should I hold you responsible for anything a family member of yours does?
If your brother fucks goats, should I think you are a goat fucker as well?
If your mom puts it out for anyone with a $10 bill, Should I think I can get a hummer from you cheaper?
If your 3rd cousin twice removed owns the richest company on the planet, should I think you are a financial genius as well?
Who run Barter Town?
and I've been reading a lot of /. . Come on, Walmart has been caught before subsidizing losses in one department with profit from another to put local competitors out of business (I'm too lazy to back this up right now, but they got caught selling cosmetics at a loss and had to pay a fine). Then there's Vlasic Pickles, which was more or less driven out of business trying to keep up with Walmart's demands.
I'll agree, Walmart does have some advantages. But the system they create was _way_ too many disadvangates. None of this matters though, since there's plenty of short sighted or lazy fellows like you (and hell, me too) to keep things going down hill.
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Way back in the 1800's capitalists figured out slavery wasn't nearly as effective or profitable as just manipulating supposed 'free' workers. This folks is why slavery died off, and not any crap spouted by Abe Lincoln. Why go to all the trouble taking care of a slave, which is a pretty big and risky investment, when you can just seize control of society's resources and dole them out as needed to keep the populace in check. The trick is to have a ton of poor, and a small struggling middle class. That way the poor are busy surviving and the middle class are busy getting buy. See, class warfare's fun if you know how to use it :).
WWII mucked all that up for a bit, since there wasn't enough human cattle to go around. But you can thank the Baby Boomers for fucking thier way back to an unecessary surplus population and dooming us all to a life of toil and misery for thier own selfish desires.
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Let's just say that I may or may not work in a retail IT shop as well. I'll tell you why they don't want to outsource as it will be the same reality in every IT production shop where the business is very competitive and dollars are super important.
.com bust the IT industry has shrank and technical decisions in IT have been left to people who only know how to cut costs without maintaining integrity of work. If compliancy works and we finally might find people accountible for decisions like "Well can you change these dollar figures for a couple of days to make our sales look better?" You all know the kinds of requests I'm talking about. Someone wants to bypass every concivable business rule just once because it's a special situation. It's brutal. Oh and always there's a manager who will think that client is right. Too.
Most businesses like retail don't want to wait for work to get done. Fuck (first time I ever swore on a bulletin board, forgive me) delivering effective solutions, deliver efficeincy. Ok, let's think about this. You have an efficient process that is not effective... you just have crappy system no one trusts. The next thing you know your clients want report after report so they can manually pour through and determine if the IT process is correct. Oh and of course in the end, strategic or operational decision making will be based on someone's uneducated gut instinct. Which makes you wonder why you built the stupid system in the first place. This is reality. It happens where I work, it happens all over it really is bullshit. In the end everyone wants a piece of the good old capital budget so they can capitalize on some operational costs so the books look good.
I don't know how many of you stay read about Sarbanes Oxley and the whole compliancy thing but things may finally change in IT. Ever since the stupide
Ok, enough ranting for a post that won't get read.
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Not sure whos bright idea this was ( not even sure if its everywhere in the US) but they usualy have 1-2 Access points broadcasting out into the parking lot. They have WEP enabled, but the WEP key is also the ssid ( which the APs broadcast happily.) You dont see a lot of interesting packets on these networks ( mainly udp) and I have not "played" with them enough to see how they tie into their stores networks, but I have been told they are for handheld POS machines. The only one I can think of is the handheld unit they use for oilchanges and other automotive service checkins.
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Those are the only two ways to structure society? Capitalism and socialism? I think Jesus would beg to differ. Come to think of it so would Budha and mohammed.
I guess those people had visions of humans rising above their basest desires and build a more spiritually enlightened world.
evil is as evil does
It ought to matter how.
The CEO ought to be thinking of how to increase profits, that is true. But not _any_ way. Enron, WorldCom, SCO ring any bells? If the way compromises the long term of the company he/she/it should *not* do it.
"'Strong and stable business'? What do I care, I just pocketed 10 million bucks!". I dont know about the rest of you, but in my mind, the CEO's job is to make a Strong and long term Stable and profitable business. The kind of behaviour you describe, just look after right here and right now, and screw everything after and everyone else, is basically the intellectual functioning level that my dogs exhibit.
Marx may well have predicted the mobility of capital, but he obviously did not like what he saw.
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I get responses like yours a lot. It is extremely frightening. You don't know anything about Neil Bush, apparently, and you didn't even bother to read the linked ABC 20/20 News story. If you had done only that, you would have realized that Neil Bush is heavily involved with the corruption of the Bush family. Like the others, he sells government influence to get money. They are doing it together, and they are doing it extremely extensively.
"Neilsie" has certainly not been repudiated by his family. When Billy Carter took a loan that showed conflict of interest, president Jimmy Carter publicly said no one should give his brother money. "Neilsie" is Barbara Bush's name for Neil.
Check the 20/20 link for Neilsie's himself talking about his casual involvement with prostitution. The Bush family could not get elected to anything if people really understood that their "Christian family values" are a lie. For another example, see this quote from The Family: The Real Story of the Bush Dynasty:
"The official family tree provided by the Bush archivists does not include the two mentally retarded daughters of John M. Walker, and lists only two of James Smith Bush's wives, not all four of them; one of Ray Walker's two wives is omitted, and George Herbert Walker III is listed with only two, instead of three, wives."
You cannot develop an accurate opinion by listening to the carefully crafted phrases from media employees who would lose their jobs if they seemed to indicate a preference for one candidate over another. Remember, the media exists to make money. Unfortunately, we don't have directly supported media, only ad supported media, and advertisers, understandably, are careful not to alienate anyone.
At least read the reviews of 3 movies and 35 other books that say the corruption is intense: Unprecedented Corruption: A guide to conflict of interest in the U.S. government.
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Bush: Borrowing money to try to make his administration look good.
Ought not have as it's core competency information gathering and optimization?
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One for each day of the week. Different colors.
Sold when the ashtray gets full.
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Ultimately, businesses just need to learn how WalMart treats them, and turn down their initial offers [...]
Um, no? Businesses were assuming that Wal*mart would "play fair", and renew a contract for the next year without much fuss. Now that everyone knows that that isn't true, the logical solution is to hold out for enough money to pay off the additional costs and turn the profit desired, whether that means higher up front costs or signing a longer initial contract at once with penalties for Wal*mart if they breach the contract. Seems simple enough.
If Wal*mart won't sign a contract which is acceptable, then screw 'em. Let your competitors go out of business next year, not you.
Now, the best thing to do is use the Wal*mart contract to help finance an expansion which doesn't rely on Wal*mart's contract next year to make money, but that's trickier, admittedly.
Property law should use #'EQ, not #'EQUAL.
I put my comment sort order on Newest First, as digging through that gigantic pile of replies to whoever happens to post first is not my thing.
In a perfect world, everyone would do this and eliminate the "first post 0wnz u" system.
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>Those are the only two ways to structure society? Capitalism and socialism? I think Jesus would beg to differ. Come to think of it so would Budha and mohammed.
You want a *theocracy* in charge? I thank God most people have more sense than you.
"... you can't expect to wield supreme executive power just 'cause some watery tart threw a sword at you!"...or because you believe the words of some nutjob that hallucinated that God was talking them either.
Like a lot of nerds, you think every situation in life calls for a show of cleverness, and you deliberately misunderstood the question.
How "smart" is it to misunderstand what dumb people correctly understand? My father always "proved" how smart he was by exactly that, and I copied him - until I wised up.
Anyway, another way to think about it (without invalidating the above important point) is that "do you think everybody takes drugs" can be used to weed(!) out the druggies, those whose environment is filled with druggies, and the TOO SMART (likely to rock the boat). Bosses OFTEN do not want to hire people too smart or too capable - they want those able to do the job without taking their job, unionizing, or leaving for a better job in a month.
As an aside, let me relate an example of REAL smarts: A book about the psychology of computer programmers tells the story of a computer class handed over to a psychology student to gather statistical data on personalities using TWO questionaires. After the first and before the second, he askes if there were any questions, but expected none as the intructions for answering the second were the same as for the first. To his amazement someone asked "Do we use the same personality on the second as we did on the first?" He indignately replied "You are SUPPOSED to use your REAL personality on both!!", to which the questioner retorted, just as surprized, "What kind of fools do you take us for!!"
and you'd think the Kmart never had a manger
That must be an option for the more rural Wal-Mart SuperCenters...Do they have a vet next to the vision exams too?
"Price check on flock of lambs!"
It might be wise to keep in mind from where many Wal-Mart employees hail from. Your prank might backfire. :-)
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Yeah, right.
Case in point: Alamogordo, NM. It had an Albertson's that was closed. It has a Walgreen's, a KMart that sells some groceries, and one grocery store of a chain that I don't recall right now. So if you live in Cloudcroft, NM, you have a small gas station mini-mart and a mercantile (think of it as a small general store with very limited selection). 20 miles down to WalMart, over 90 minutes to Las Cruces (2 WalMarts, KMart, 1 Albertson's, and a misc grocery store or two) or 2 hours to El Paso. And no Trader Joe's unless you drive up to Santa Fe.
I heard that the Albertson's left because it didn't generate enough profit. Not that it was losing money, but it wasn't making enough buckets of money to satisfy the board/stockholders.
Albertsons should have moderated the corporate expectations of the Alamogordo store to be more in line with the Alamogordo area economy.
Needless to say people do a lot of mail-order in that area, but that doesn't help you get groceries.
Given the choice, no, I would not shop at WalMart. But given the reality of wanting to marry my girlfriend and move to Cloudcroft, I have no choice.
When you sympathize with stupidity, you start thinking like an idiot.
their not providing benefits and helping their workers get on state/county benefits. The income taxes they are paying don't offset the increase in tax load on the tax base of the area.
I used to work for the State of Arizona, and I thought it was a travesty that there were literally scores of State employees who qualified for food stamps and welfare. This is people who are working full-time. (As it turns out, Arizona is one of the worst-paying state governments in the country, but that's another issue.)
So WalMart comes in, gets tax concessions because they'll be bringing in jobs, then doesn't provide health care and helps their employees get onto the state healthcare systems. Not good. And pretty thoroughly documented.
I have problems believing that this is what Sam Walton wanted, buying tons of merchandise from China and destroying small businesses and downtowns, but maybe he lost it when John-Boy went off to become a writer.
When you sympathize with stupidity, you start thinking like an idiot.