Osama Bin Laden gave away lots of money to build schools, orphanages, wells and things to help the destitute of afghanistan. Does that make him a good man?
So he is giving a tiny percentage of the money he made using the most slimy and despicable methods known to mankind. I'm not impressed and I suspect his maker will not be either.
If a drug dealer game money to local schools would he be a saint? While we are at it Osama Bin Laden built lots of orphanages and schools too.
"Now I have not checked this, but I suspect the charitable donations from every Linux distro CEO combined would fall well short of this."
In terms of absolute dollars yes, in terms of percentages I bet they gave more.
I bet you he spends a greater percentage of his money on charity then Bill Gates does. Most people do. Bill Gates giving away 20 million dollars is like me giving a street musician a buck.
I know that happened to me in W2K. Somehow the update to the media player started causing my machine to randomly shut down. Mostly it happened when I was trying to watch movies but sometimes it happened out of the blue too.
"Then again, we don't want to hurt the innocent employess, and we don't want excessive government regulation."
Punishing the guilty should not be seen as excessive govt regulation. The solution is simple. Dissolve the corporation and confiscate all the assets.
It's imperitive that the shareholders get screwed in the worse possible way possible. It was their job to make sure their company was run responsibly and it's their fault that the company committed crimes.
Once the assets get liquidated the money should be given as severence pay to all the employees starting at the bottom and working your way to the top until the money runs out.
"Of course he had an effect. But that's largely irrelevant"
This more then anything else shows exactly how much of an idiot you are. You are claiming that something clinton did four to eight years ago messed up the economy so bad that NOTHING bush did had "relevent" effect. Not spending 200 billion on a war, not a massive tax cut, not creating a whole new govt department (and the biggest one to boot) not spending money like a drunken sailor.
According to your brilliant intellect none of that matter at all. All of that is completely and utterly insignificant when compared to something Clinton did more then four years ago.
Brilliant analysis there buddy.
"But I'm choosing to live in reality. And in my reality it isn't hell on earth over here like you guys make it out to be."
Here is the reality. Bush is the first president in 70 years under whom there was a net job loss. You can't get yourself to face that but it's true. Wait a minute it gets worse since January 2001, the economy should have added 6 million jobs. The Normal-Growth line shows what was needed to keep up with population growth according to Bush's Council of Economic Advisors (CEA).
But hey you don't need any facts or figures that's just for people who have "fancy book learnin". You got a job, your company is doing fine so everybody else must be doing fine too.
"I do not like Bush. But I am not going to lay every misfortune in the world upon his shoulders."
It looks like you are not willing to lay blame on him whatsoever. It's all Clinton's fault.
"But Mozilla and Firefox are so much better than IE! Isn't that what you fuckers claim everytime there's an IE vunerability?"
It is much better. It has more features, it's faster and ITS MORE SECURE. That does not mean it's 100% secure but it's waaaaaaay more secure then the bug ridden piece of shit that is IE.
"Second, the effects of a market correction do not occur instantly, so you cannot expect all economic influences from the time of Clinton to cease the day Bush took office."
So how long does it take? Does it take four years? What about my other question to you, are you saying that nothing Bush did in the last four years had any effect on the economy whatsoever? It sure sounds like you are saying that.
"I know the chic thing to do is to blame Bush for the bad economy, but from where I stand the economy isn't doing too badly."
Good to see some people are doing good.
" but otherwise we're looking at a pretty good unemployment rate."
Unemployment rate only measures people actively looking for jobs. It does not measure people who have given up or people who have left the economy altogether. Bush will be one of those rare presidents who will have had a net job loss during his administration. Something he can be proud of I am sure.
But what the fuck, those people probably deserved to lose their jobs. As long as you and your friends are doing good who the fuck cares.
Wow four years later and it's still Clinton's fault huh? Nothing Bush did in the last four years had any effect on the economy whatsoever huh?
"Our IT jobs are going overseas because we spent most of the Clinton years wallowing in six-digit salaries and stock options while the average worker didn't have half our income. We priced ourselves out of the market. We demanded pool tables and laundramats in our workplace, and we got them. I'm not talking about the top people in the field, I'm talking about Joe-Schoe the code monkey. Starting salaries were in the $50-75 range."
I for one am glad out 8 year national nightmare of peace and prosperity are finally over. Thanks to Bush we no longer have to put up with booming markets, pool tables and laundramats in the workplace or those silly 75K salaries.
I thought most organized crime families had already formed corporations. There is very little difference between organized crime and a corpoation anyway.
BTW reducing regulations will reduce wages, increase deaths and sickness.
They say you should never witness law or sausages being made. I'll tell you what watching this process go forward has been lesson for me on just exactly how fucked our legal system is.
It seems so obvious to me. You claim somebody stole your code tell the court which code they stole. Apparently that makes too much sense for the US justice system.
How long has this case been going on for? two years? WTF two years into a process and SCO still doesn't have to tell the court which IP was stolen?
Could that be that the natural tendency of corporations is to try and enslave people and the only defense people usually have is to band together?
You may remember those times in history when companies were hiring people to kill and break the legs of people trying to unionize. This also happends a lot in the third world where people disappear if they try to organize.
Yes but that does not mean he wants to continue it indefinately.
"The United States has been fighting a low-intensity war against Iraq since long before 9/11 and long before Bush was in office."
True but there was no reason to escalate it. Just like there was no reason to escalate the cold war into an all out armageddon.
"Who was responsible for the millions dying under economic sanctions and ariel bombardments since Gulf War I? Not a Republican."
Bush sr and clinton. So both of those people will have to answer to their makers on judegment day as to why they decided to let millions of people starve and suffer like that.
"Bush's Iraq policy was merely an extension of Clintons"
Not true. Clinton never wanted to invade and occupy Iraq. He wanted Saddam to be removed by internal forces which he would support and fund. He felt that it would be more legitemate to the iraqis then an american imposed govt. He was right, it was a good smart plan. Bush didn't have the brains to formulate such a plan and he didn't have the patience to carry out clinton's plan.
"So, no, in effect your argument hasn't scared me into voting for Kerry or Bush, which I think is what you were trying to do."
That's most likely to your very misinformed and narrow knowledge of things.
Govt student loans were invented because the banks were not lending money to students. Most likely because the students were not paying them back (which is an epidemic with govt student loans too).
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Yes. My w2k machine doesn't blue screen. It just shuts down the machine instead. Much better.
It will probably take a few years to get rid of all the unix machines. If you are entering now you should be OK.
Osama Bin Laden gave away lots of money to build schools, orphanages, wells and things to help the destitute of afghanistan. Does that make him a good man?
So he is giving a tiny percentage of the money he made using the most slimy and despicable methods known to mankind. I'm not impressed and I suspect his maker will not be either.
If a drug dealer game money to local schools would he be a saint? While we are at it Osama Bin Laden built lots of orphanages and schools too.
"Now I have not checked this, but I suspect the charitable donations from every Linux distro CEO combined would fall well short of this."
In terms of absolute dollars yes, in terms of percentages I bet they gave more.
That's the situation today. It will be interesting to see what happens four or five years from now. Why do you think Bill Gates gave them that money?
I bet you he spends a greater percentage of his money on charity then Bill Gates does. Most people do. Bill Gates giving away 20 million dollars is like me giving a street musician a buck.
I know that happened to me in W2K. Somehow the update to the media player started causing my machine to randomly shut down. Mostly it happened when I was trying to watch movies but sometimes it happened out of the blue too.
Of course it meant a complete wipe and reinstall.
"Would someone please tell me why we can patent online shopping carts and file formats? "
Because corporations bribed the politicians to make it so.
"Then again, we don't want to hurt the innocent employess, and we don't want excessive government regulation."
Punishing the guilty should not be seen as excessive govt regulation. The solution is simple. Dissolve the corporation and confiscate all the assets.
It's imperitive that the shareholders get screwed in the worse possible way possible. It was their job to make sure their company was run responsibly and it's their fault that the company committed crimes.
Once the assets get liquidated the money should be given as severence pay to all the employees starting at the bottom and working your way to the top until the money runs out.
"Of course he had an effect. But that's largely irrelevant"
This more then anything else shows exactly how much of an idiot you are. You are claiming that something clinton did four to eight years ago messed up the economy so bad that NOTHING bush did had "relevent" effect. Not spending 200 billion on a war, not a massive tax cut, not creating a whole new govt department (and the biggest one to boot) not spending money like a drunken sailor.
According to your brilliant intellect none of that matter at all. All of that is completely and utterly insignificant when compared to something Clinton did more then four years ago.
Brilliant analysis there buddy.
"But I'm choosing to live in reality. And in my reality it isn't hell on earth over here like you guys make it out to be."
Here is the reality. Bush is the first president in 70 years under whom there was a net job loss. You can't get yourself to face that but it's true. Wait a minute it gets worse since January 2001, the economy should have added 6 million jobs. The Normal-Growth line shows what was needed to keep up with population growth according to Bush's Council of Economic Advisors (CEA).
But hey you don't need any facts or figures that's just for people who have "fancy book learnin". You got a job, your company is doing fine so everybody else must be doing fine too.
"I do not like Bush. But I am not going to lay every misfortune in the world upon his shoulders."
It looks like you are not willing to lay blame on him whatsoever. It's all Clinton's fault.
"But Mozilla and Firefox are so much better than IE! Isn't that what you fuckers claim everytime there's an IE vunerability?"
It is much better. It has more features, it's faster and ITS MORE SECURE. That does not mean it's 100% secure but it's waaaaaaay more secure then the bug ridden piece of shit that is IE.
That's because the CEO of Sun is under the delusion that novell owns linux and by buying novell he is buying linux.
One can only hope he does not find this out until after he buys novell. Boy won't that be funny!.
replace "it" with terrorism and you get George Bush.
"Second, the effects of a market correction do not occur instantly, so you cannot expect all economic influences from the time of Clinton to cease the day Bush took office."
So how long does it take? Does it take four years? What about my other question to you, are you saying that nothing Bush did in the last four years had any effect on the economy whatsoever? It sure sounds like you are saying that.
"I know the chic thing to do is to blame Bush for the bad economy, but from where I stand the economy isn't doing too badly."
Good to see some people are doing good.
" but otherwise we're looking at a pretty good unemployment rate."
Unemployment rate only measures people actively looking for jobs. It does not measure people who have given up or people who have left the economy altogether. Bush will be one of those rare presidents who will have had a net job loss during his administration. Something he can be proud of I am sure.
But what the fuck, those people probably deserved to lose their jobs. As long as you and your friends are doing good who the fuck cares.
Clearly Kerry has to crawl into the mud and start slamming bush. Bush is a religious zealot, can hardly speak, a coward and delusional.
Any idiot can win this election by simply showing speeches of bush with the letters "we deserve better" superimposed on them.
If kerry can't beat a fuckwad like bush he is surely one hell of a sorry son of a bitch.
Wow four years later and it's still Clinton's fault huh? Nothing Bush did in the last four years had any effect on the economy whatsoever huh?
"Our IT jobs are going overseas because we spent most of the Clinton years wallowing in six-digit salaries and stock options while the average worker didn't have half our income. We priced ourselves out of the market. We demanded pool tables and laundramats in our workplace, and we got them. I'm not talking about the top people in the field, I'm talking about Joe-Schoe the code monkey. Starting salaries were in the $50-75 range."
I for one am glad out 8 year national nightmare of peace and prosperity are finally over. Thanks to Bush we no longer have to put up with booming markets, pool tables and laundramats in the workplace or those silly 75K salaries.
I thought most organized crime families had already formed corporations. There is very little difference between organized crime and a corpoation anyway.
BTW reducing regulations will reduce wages, increase deaths and sickness.
They say you should never witness law or sausages being made. I'll tell you what watching this process go forward has been lesson for me on just exactly how fucked our legal system is.
It seems so obvious to me. You claim somebody stole your code tell the court which code they stole. Apparently that makes too much sense for the US justice system.
How long has this case been going on for? two years? WTF two years into a process and SCO still doesn't have to tell the court which IP was stolen?
Ah I should have clarified that. Links form right wing web sites don't count.
" And Apple wants you to Think Different (As long as you think exactly the same way as Jobs)."
Since Steve definately does not think like you it should not be a problem.
Yes, it's got a bit of the "iraq is better off now then under saddam" feel to it.
"Of course, these days it's the labor unions breaking people's legs because they DON'T want to organize, or dare to cross a picket line."
A quick googling shows plenty of evidence of companies maiming union organizers but shows no evidence of unions breaking legs.
I guess a lie as good as the truth sometimes huh?
Could that be that the natural tendency of corporations is to try and enslave people and the only defense people usually have is to band together?
You may remember those times in history when companies were hiring people to kill and break the legs of people trying to unionize. This also happends a lot in the third world where people disappear if they try to organize.
"Didn't John Kerry vote FOR the war resolution?"
Yes but that does not mean he wants to continue it indefinately.
"The United States has been fighting a low-intensity war against Iraq since long before 9/11 and long before Bush was in office."
True but there was no reason to escalate it. Just like there was no reason to escalate the cold war into an all out armageddon.
"Who was responsible for the millions dying under economic sanctions and ariel bombardments since Gulf War I? Not a Republican."
Bush sr and clinton. So both of those people will have to answer to their makers on judegment day as to why they decided to let millions of people starve and suffer like that.
"Bush's Iraq policy was merely an extension of Clintons"
Not true. Clinton never wanted to invade and occupy Iraq. He wanted Saddam to be removed by internal forces which he would support and fund. He felt that it would be more legitemate to the iraqis then an american imposed govt. He was right, it was a good smart plan. Bush didn't have the brains to formulate such a plan and he didn't have the patience to carry out clinton's plan.
"So, no, in effect your argument hasn't scared me into voting for Kerry or Bush, which I think is what you were trying to do."
That's most likely to your very misinformed and narrow knowledge of things.
Govt student loans were invented because the banks were not lending money to students. Most likely because the students were not paying them back (which is an epidemic with govt student loans too).
It amazes me how naive liberterians are.