It sure sounds like you an idiot. You are comparing how long it takes to install something vs how long it takes to install something else PLUS applying all the patches over a cable modem.
It also sounds like you are comparing how to install debian with dselect of all the fucking things to installing XP. Debian is not for beginners. Why didn't you just get a FC, Suse, xandros or lindows ISO and install that instead? That's like picking up a rocket launcher and then complaining that you shot yourself.
If you are going to install linux and you are a newbie (which you obviously are) just get a distro made for newbies. Why is that so difficult for people to understand. There are distros for every level of user and debian is NOT for you.
It is for people like me however. I can install debian and customize it to my needs very quickly. Once you get good at this stuff it's amazing.
MS sees this as a religious war. MS is kind of a cult like arganization anyway so it fits right in with their mindset.
They simply believe that a centrally controlled communist type of a system is superior to the free market of OSS development.
They confuse XP style development with not having any structure at all. They are baffled by the fact that people can form ad-hoc teams, co-operate, plan and produce quality code without some top level authority telling them what to do.
Welcome to vendor lock. That's exactly the way MS wanted it to be. Congratulations you are unable to switch to a lower cost alternative!.
It's like those monkey traps you hear about. You know where you make a hole in the box just big enough for the monkey to put his hand in and grab a fist full of peanuts. The problem is that once the fist is full of peanuts the monkey can't get his hand out. So he sits there until the hunter comes by, trapped by his unwillingness to let go a handful of peanuts.
JUst do a google search OK? You don't need me to do one for you. Bill gates is a lying, cheating, stealing, sleazy bastard and evidence of it is abundant on the web.
You need "PROOF" that Bill Gates is a bastard? WTF?
Novell has NDS, it's probably the best system for managing huge networks and it runs on linux. If you are thinking about converting over to linux then they can give you linux for free and sell you NDS (and groupwise too while they are at it).
"So there, the word "most" makes it an implicit comparison to all other evils. That is what people took issue with. I guess you didn't mean to say that, but that's how it was read. That's all I'm pointing out."
That's all shit. The people that were defending him took the defense of "well at least he is not a murderer or a terrorist". I don't know if he killed anybody or paid to have anybody killed but I know for sure he pathologically lied, cheated and stole. Maybe you don't consider that "worst" kind of business tactic but I do.
Wow you really are an idiot aren't you. Too lazy to do your own research and too stupid to know the difference between lack of proof and the unwillingness on my part to do your research for you.
" You made a comparison [Bill Gates' evil to all other evils"
Bullshit. If you are going to argue with me then argue the things I said not the things you wish I said.
I said he used the most unethical and slimy business tactics and I stand by them. He repreatedly broke the law, he signed contracts with sendo and stac and then STOLE their technologies and customers. He poached employees and technologies off of borland, he stole shit from corel.
He has been sued and settled for hunreds of millions of dollars for those things but to him that was just the cost of doing business.
Lying, cheating, stealing is how he made his money. Maybe he didn't actually kill anybody (I don't know) but that does not give him a pass in my book.
It's not raw cash. Bill Gates transfers stock from his name to the foundation. The foundation sells the stock and then gives away the cash. Since that stock didn't cost bill gates any money to him it's all zero cost.
No he gave aways 2 billion worth of stuff. He didn't give away 2 billion dollars. Lots of that is sofware licenses and stock, neither of which cost him a penny.
"Wake the fuck up dumbass. There are a lot bigger evils in this world."
Oh I guess that makes it all OK then. As long as you are not as bad as the worst evil everything is hunky dory. Go ahead and kill a few people and rape a few women, there are lot bigger evils in the world. Go ahead and steal from your boss, neighbors and parents, there are lot worse evils in the world. Go ahead and string your dog up by the neck and peel it's skin off, there are lot worse evils in the world.
As long as you don't sink down to the level of the worst evil in the world everyhting is A-OK.
Saying that you smell better then shit isn't saying much. Similarly saying that what Bill Gates does is better then genocide, murder and terrorism isn't saying much.
Whoo Hoo, Bill Gates is better then a terrorist. If that's all you can say about the guy that's saying a lot.
"Highly unlikely."
Most people who are givers tend to give around 5% of their income. Bill Gives way less then 1% I bet it's less then.01%.
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"I'm not an idiot ... "
It sure sounds like you an idiot. You are comparing how long it takes to install something vs how long it takes to install something else PLUS applying all the patches over a cable modem.
It also sounds like you are comparing how to install debian with dselect of all the fucking things to installing XP. Debian is not for beginners. Why didn't you just get a FC, Suse, xandros or lindows ISO and install that instead? That's like picking up a rocket launcher and then complaining that you shot yourself.
If you are going to install linux and you are a newbie (which you obviously are) just get a distro made for newbies. Why is that so difficult for people to understand. There are distros for every level of user and debian is NOT for you.
It is for people like me however. I can install debian and customize it to my needs very quickly. Once you get good at this stuff it's amazing.
Wow MS tech support knows how to search technet and get answers? They rock! Please oh please tell us the secret.
He is a liar. Of course that should not surprise anybody he works for MS.
It'a a pretty common strategy. Intelligence agencies do it all the time. You plant a few shills to fan the flames and to goad people into acting out.
MS has done this brilliantly on online forums (and yes here too) and there is no reason to think they haven't done it with actors too.
" LOL sorry, but I find it hard to believe MS found it necessary to pay people to act like really obnoxious Linux fanboys."
Yes they are much too ethical and moral to do anything like that.
SO poor old raymond worked his ass off and failed miserably by all accounts. There are thousands of packages and rivers that just don'w work on XP.
You'd think they would have learned this by now.
Open=live, closed=die.
"W2K is generally considered quite stable, and relatively secure (again, with all of its patches in place)."
That's got to be the single most stupid thing I have ever heard.
Sendmail is just as secure as w2k with all it's patches in place.
MS sees this as a religious war. MS is kind of a cult like arganization anyway so it fits right in with their mindset.
They simply believe that a centrally controlled communist type of a system is superior to the free market of OSS development.
They confuse XP style development with not having any structure at all. They are baffled by the fact that people can form ad-hoc teams, co-operate, plan and produce quality code without some top level authority telling them what to do.
I guess it's time for a "novell engineers are weenies" prank in redmond then huh?
Welcome to vendor lock. That's exactly the way MS wanted it to be. Congratulations you are unable to switch to a lower cost alternative!.
It's like those monkey traps you hear about. You know where you make a hole in the box just big enough for the monkey to put his hand in and grab a fist full of peanuts. The problem is that once the fist is full of peanuts the monkey can't get his hand out. So he sits there until the hunter comes by, trapped by his unwillingness to let go a handful of peanuts.
What the hell are you talking about. Bashing slashdot is the best way to get modded up here.
For some reason it's fashionable to be ungrateful fucks here.
Whaaaaaah mommy Malda gave me slashdot for free but I don't like it. Make him change it so I like it.
JUst do a google search OK? You don't need me to do one for you. Bill gates is a lying, cheating, stealing, sleazy bastard and evidence of it is abundant on the web.
You need "PROOF" that Bill Gates is a bastard? WTF?
Novell has NDS, it's probably the best system for managing huge networks and it runs on linux. If you are thinking about converting over to linux then they can give you linux for free and sell you NDS (and groupwise too while they are at it).
"So there, the word "most" makes it an implicit comparison to all other evils. That is what people took issue with. I guess you didn't mean to say that, but that's how it was read. That's all I'm pointing out."
That's all shit. The people that were defending him took the defense of "well at least he is not a murderer or a terrorist". I don't know if he killed anybody or paid to have anybody killed but I know for sure he pathologically lied, cheated and stole. Maybe you don't consider that "worst" kind of business tactic but I do.
" So otherwise none. "
Wow you really are an idiot aren't you. Too lazy to do your own research and too stupid to know the difference between lack of proof and the unwillingness on my part to do your research for you.
Wow I need to provde proof? What planet were you on the last decade or so?
Just do a google for god's sake.
" You made a comparison [Bill Gates' evil to all other evils"
Bullshit. If you are going to argue with me then argue the things I said not the things you wish I said.
I said he used the most unethical and slimy business tactics and I stand by them. He repreatedly broke the law, he signed contracts with sendo and stac and then STOLE their technologies and customers. He poached employees and technologies off of borland, he stole shit from corel.
He has been sued and settled for hunreds of millions of dollars for those things but to him that was just the cost of doing business.
Lying, cheating, stealing is how he made his money. Maybe he didn't actually kill anybody (I don't know) but that does not give him a pass in my book.
It's not raw cash. Bill Gates transfers stock from his name to the foundation. The foundation sells the stock and then gives away the cash. Since that stock didn't cost bill gates any money to him it's all zero cost.
Mmmm I wonder if that's because most people in the phillipines are christians while most people in india are not?
"Bill Gates has given over 2 billion dollars."
No he gave aways 2 billion worth of stuff. He didn't give away 2 billion dollars. Lots of that is sofware licenses and stock, neither of which cost him a penny.
"Wake the fuck up dumbass. There are a lot bigger evils in this world."
Oh I guess that makes it all OK then. As long as you are not as bad as the worst evil everything is hunky dory. Go ahead and kill a few people and rape a few women, there are lot bigger evils in the world. Go ahead and steal from your boss, neighbors and parents, there are lot worse evils in the world. Go ahead and string your dog up by the neck and peel it's skin off, there are lot worse evils in the world.
As long as you don't sink down to the level of the worst evil in the world everyhting is A-OK.
Wow what you quoted applies almost 100% to Bill Gates.
Incredible, thanks for the link.
All you said was that Bill Gates was not as bad as a murderer or a terrorist.
Apparently your standards are a lot lower then mine.
Saying that you smell better then shit isn't saying much. Similarly saying that what Bill Gates does is better then genocide, murder and terrorism isn't saying much.
.01%.
Whoo Hoo, Bill Gates is better then a terrorist. If that's all you can say about the guy that's saying a lot.
"Highly unlikely."
Most people who are givers tend to give around 5% of their income. Bill Gives way less then 1% I bet it's less then