I might buy your arguments if anybody would be able to show even a correlation between rising minimum wage rates and unemployment. You see minimum wage has been raised numerous times in the past in the US and tons of times all around the world. Sometimes a little, some times a lot. If there was a mathematical or a statistical correleation then you should be able to overlay the minimum wage rate and unemployment rate and see some sort of a correlation.
There is no such thing. Look for yourself. It's a myth. It seems like it should be true but it's not. You believing that raising the minimum wage results in increased unemployment is no different then a hippie believing that crystal's healing power will fix your printer. Neither of you has any evidence, both of you think it ought to be true.
While it's wrong to paint him as irrelevent he has made goofups about licences before. When he switched to bitkeeper everybody warned him what was going to happen but he ignored them and went ahead anyway. It bit him in the end didn't it?
Linus thinks everybody in the world is as nice and rational as he is. I don't think he realizes how low others can go.
Plone supports them. You can add doc files to plone and it can extract all the data, catalog it, index it, and make it searchable. If you choose a open, non-proprietary format like ODF it can even show it to you as HTML.
I guess I am one of those people who don't see the point of building a wiki that consists of uploading DOC files. It defeats the purpose of a wiki in the first place. At that point it's a CMS and virtually every CMS will let you upload documents of any type.
Ivy league is a joke. They are hard to get into but your entrance is assured if you are a rich person or famaous. Once you are in it would take a collosal act of laziness not to graduate. Al Franken in a speech in a speech at harvard once said "congratulations, you are graduating from Harvard. This means you were not high or drunk ALL the time and you went to SOME of your classes". He also graduated from Harvard.
Models graduate from harvard too. I once heard a supermodel who graduated from harvard on the howard stern show and he asked her the question "what is at the center of the solar system". She didn't know. How could she? She only had a degree from Harvard.
Anyway GW went to yale because he had a rich and powerful daddy. He drank and coked his way throught there and graduated. Big whoop. He is still a dumbass who doesn't read. Reagan was even dumber. Apparently the ivy league teaches you that life is simple black and white and there are no subleties or shades of grey.
As for being governors there ya go. If these two dumbasses can become governors anybody can. Look at Arnold. What qualification did he have to be governor? He was rich and famous that's what.
NO they wouldn't. Jesse Ventura won because he was famous, fiscally conservative, and socially liberal. He drew votes from republicans and democrats. Most people don't really care that much about either party.
Easy, start a new party. I am serious. Here is a suggestion.
The platform should be fiscally conservative and socially liberal. Gay marriage (i.e all human beings should have the same rights), no prayer in schools, no teaching of creationism, blanced budget, tax cuts, etc.
Pick a famous person to run as the presidential candidate, preferbly a movie star. Jesse Ventura, Tom Hanks, Bruce Willis, John Stewart, Bill Mahr are all potential and suitable candidates. Remember presidents don't have to be smart or experienced (see GW and Reagan for example).
Get some really good speech writers. Paint the party as a pro science, anti debt, anti theocracy, pro education, pro environment, and pro equal rights for all humans.
It could be done. It could radically change America overnight. The key is to have a famous candidate that everybody likes.
So the only problem is having too many customers (just like I said). If you have one large customer then you can support them with a few million dollars.
The idea of a support contract is to make a profit off them. If you are losing money because you sold too many support contracts then you are doing something wrong.
"Yes, Vyatta talks a good game, but 24/7 worldwide support isn't something you build with a few million bucks in VC funding."
Why not? I am serious, why not? Most of ciscos support consists of putting you on hold for extended periods anyway. It's phone support and it can be done from anywhere in the world for a pretty cheap price. If somebody needs to come out they call the local chamber of commerce and get the contact of a local consulting company to come out and swap the hardware.
That's how everybody does it. Do you really think the guy that comes out to swap the motherboard on your HP server is an HP employee? No it's some local guy selling HP hardware or even a local computer shop.
So tell me once again why it's not possible to support people 24X7 with a few million bucks? The only possible time you can't is when you have too many customers.
If I were you I would not worry about scalibility too much. At this point ROR is in production taking 3 million hits a day in at least one production environment. Worrying about scalibility at this stage is premature optimization. You may find that once your application gets to be so popular that ROR can't cut it anymore. More likely you will never even come close to hitting that wall.
Just code using the ROR conventions and you should be fine.
Never used oracle. Postgres gives beautiful error messages that tell you exactly what went wrong and where. It's so much better then SQL server in every way It's not even funny. Too bad nobody from postgres took my CIO out for golf and drinks though.
Wow that's amazing. Here it is the year 2006 and they are finally getting ready to introduce "something that's very much like an ORM layer". Where were they for the last decade?
From looking at the descriptions it seems like a typical MS project. Too complicated for it's own good, trying to produce a tool that will solve every problem known to mankind.
BTW if you know anybody on this team could you please urge them write real error messages? I work with SQL server every day and I curse the team every time I get a "string or binary data would be truncated" or "overflow" or "syntax error on line 387 near ')'" errors. First of all WHY DON'T YOU TELL ME WHAT FUCKING FIELD YOU ARE HAVING A PROBLEM WITH YOU FUCK! and WHY DON'T YOU GIVE ME THE ACTUAL LINE NUMBER INSTEAD OF THE LINE NUMBER OF THE PARSED STORED PROC YOU FUCK.
My entire day is filled with cursing the SQL server team and I know it's not going to get better when we move to 2005, if anything it's going to get worse because we will be piling on assemblies on top of a pile of shit.
I agree that typing this would be easier but look at what it would involve. First of all the shell would have to be able able to take a string and invoke the lookup method on it. Then the lookup method would have to know that it was dealing with files and not some other string (presumably you could cat something | lookup too). It goes on and on. This would add an insane amount of complexity to your shell.
One option would be to limit your shell to dealing with files and directotories but then again you are unable to do anything other then lookup the dates, sizes, read and write lines etc on them. In other words no different then what you have today.
"How did the inventors of UNIX force everybody to use flat files for all their data storage?"
They didn't. They just wrote tools to deal with flat files (awk, sed, grep, sort, uniq etc) which encouraged the use them.
Microsoft is philosophically opposed to ORM layers. That's why they have never provided one with ODBC, ADO, DMO,.NET or whatever TLA they ever came out with. MS believes that you should use stored procs for pretty much everything. For example when they re-did petshop they loaded the entire thing with stored procs because it provided faster performance.
The fact that there are ten thousand CMS packages out there tells me that everybody has different needs is are trying their best to scratch their itches. I don't think you can get five people in a room and get them to agree to what a CMS is supposed to do in the first place.
You know it's interesting. People bash PHP all day long and yet people are able to make some really cool web sites with it. I am not a great fan of PHP but I have to say that wordpress, drupal, cmsmadesimple, gforge etc are all pretty amazing, mature and robust systems built by pretty smart people using this language that everybody loves to hate.
If you judge a tool by what you are able to build with it then I'd have to give some respect to PHP despite prefering ruby and python.
"The difference would be in the way the information is organised and presented."
I really don't think so. Right now the OS knows all the metadata it needs to know. At best you are adding to that metadata.
"there were a good way of dealing with these objects from the shell"
There is. cat filename | perl -e (or some such equivalent in python or ruby)
"these sorts of objects were used system-wide"
Facism doesn't work in OSS. How are you going to force everybody to use the same format for anything? The only place facism works is in windows where MS can dictate to all their developers how they have to do things but even then it doesn't work too well. Look how messy the registry has gotten, hell look at how many MS divisions disobey the MS look and feel guidelines. Look at how MS chucks their old conventions every two years and embraces some new buzzword.
In that case you would be exactly where you are now. You could do common things like read lines, read bytes, write lines, write bytes, check for EOF etc but for anything more sophisticated you would need some code that knew about the file. No different then what you have now. Right now I could serialize and object written in any language and save it to a file. In order to do anything with that file other then read bytes or lines I would have to have the original language and perhaps the serialization routine.
You may see this as a shortcoming but it's really not. What if every file was actually an object? You would have to keep track of what each object was, you would have to catalog the public interface of every file, you would have to rewrite every single application everytime a new class was created so it could deal with the new objects.
Programs like grep, sed, vi, etc would instantly become useless because they would have to know about every single class in the system, past present and future!.
It would be a nightmare. Besides people can do this now with python, ruby, perl or other scripting languages. There is no reason you can't use pickle, or yaml to dump ruby objects and then read them back with ruby. There are already shells written in perl and python and ruby.
That would be easy. Apple licences it's DRM to a small company who makes a decent but not great music player and sells it for under 100 dollars. This cuts off the MS oxygen supply and appel still owns the fashionable ipod which people pay premium for.
Have you seen those "support our troops" ribbons? Today it's not politicaly correct to say anything except "we support our troops". Wouldn't it be cool to have "support our teachers" ribbons?
It would never happen of course, they are unionized. We know how much the right wing hates unions, we have seen how much slashdot hates unions.
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I might buy your arguments if anybody would be able to show even a correlation between rising minimum wage rates and unemployment. You see minimum wage has been raised numerous times in the past in the US and tons of times all around the world. Sometimes a little, some times a lot. If there was a mathematical or a statistical correleation then you should be able to overlay the minimum wage rate and unemployment rate and see some sort of a correlation.
There is no such thing. Look for yourself. It's a myth. It seems like it should be true but it's not. You believing that raising the minimum wage results in increased unemployment is no different then a hippie believing that crystal's healing power will fix your printer. Neither of you has any evidence, both of you think it ought to be true.
While it's wrong to paint him as irrelevent he has made goofups about licences before. When he switched to bitkeeper everybody warned him what was going to happen but he ignored them and went ahead anyway. It bit him in the end didn't it?
Linus thinks everybody in the world is as nice and rational as he is. I don't think he realizes how low others can go.
Plone supports them. You can add doc files to plone and it can extract all the data, catalog it, index it, and make it searchable. If you choose a open, non-proprietary format like ODF it can even show it to you as HTML.
I guess I am one of those people who don't see the point of building a wiki that consists of uploading DOC files. It defeats the purpose of a wiki in the first place. At that point it's a CMS and virtually every CMS will let you upload documents of any type.
Ivy league is a joke. They are hard to get into but your entrance is assured if you are a rich person or famaous. Once you are in it would take a collosal act of laziness not to graduate. Al Franken in a speech in a speech at harvard once said "congratulations, you are graduating from Harvard. This means you were not high or drunk ALL the time and you went to SOME of your classes". He also graduated from Harvard.
Models graduate from harvard too. I once heard a supermodel who graduated from harvard on the howard stern show and he asked her the question "what is at the center of the solar system". She didn't know. How could she? She only had a degree from Harvard.
Anyway GW went to yale because he had a rich and powerful daddy. He drank and coked his way throught there and graduated. Big whoop. He is still a dumbass who doesn't read. Reagan was even dumber. Apparently the ivy league teaches you that life is simple black and white and there are no subleties or shades of grey.
As for being governors there ya go. If these two dumbasses can become governors anybody can. Look at Arnold. What qualification did he have to be governor? He was rich and famous that's what.
NO they wouldn't. Jesse Ventura won because he was famous, fiscally conservative, and socially liberal. He drew votes from republicans and democrats. Most people don't really care that much about either party.
Easy, start a new party. I am serious. Here is a suggestion.
The platform should be fiscally conservative and socially liberal. Gay marriage (i.e all human beings should have the same rights), no prayer in schools, no teaching of creationism, blanced budget, tax cuts, etc.
Pick a famous person to run as the presidential candidate, preferbly a movie star. Jesse Ventura, Tom Hanks, Bruce Willis, John Stewart, Bill Mahr are all potential and suitable candidates. Remember presidents don't have to be smart or experienced (see GW and Reagan for example).
Get some really good speech writers. Paint the party as a pro science, anti debt, anti theocracy, pro education, pro environment, and pro equal rights for all humans.
It could be done. It could radically change America overnight. The key is to have a famous candidate that everybody likes.
So the only problem is having too many customers (just like I said). If you have one large customer then you can support them with a few million dollars.
The idea of a support contract is to make a profit off them. If you are losing money because you sold too many support contracts then you are doing something wrong.
"Yes, Vyatta talks a good game, but 24/7 worldwide support isn't something you build with a few million bucks in VC funding."
Why not? I am serious, why not? Most of ciscos support consists of putting you on hold for extended periods anyway. It's phone support and it can be done from anywhere in the world for a pretty cheap price. If somebody needs to come out they call the local chamber of commerce and get the contact of a local consulting company to come out and swap the hardware.
That's how everybody does it. Do you really think the guy that comes out to swap the motherboard on your HP server is an HP employee? No it's some local guy selling HP hardware or even a local computer shop.
So tell me once again why it's not possible to support people 24X7 with a few million bucks? The only possible time you can't is when you have too many customers.
If the database hit it's limits maybe you should get a better database. Failing that more RAM and CPUs couldn't hurt.
If I were you I would not worry about scalibility too much. At this point ROR is in production taking 3 million hits a day in at least one production environment. Worrying about scalibility at this stage is premature optimization. You may find that once your application gets to be so popular that ROR can't cut it anymore. More likely you will never even come close to hitting that wall.
Just code using the ROR conventions and you should be fine.
Right only if those fucks would just shut up and sit down all the hardware manufacturers would write drivers.
Who mdded this fool up anyway?
Never used oracle. Postgres gives beautiful error messages that tell you exactly what went wrong and where. It's so much better then SQL server in every way It's not even funny. Too bad nobody from postgres took my CIO out for golf and drinks though.
Wow that's amazing. Here it is the year 2006 and they are finally getting ready to introduce "something that's very much like an ORM layer". Where were they for the last decade?
From looking at the descriptions it seems like a typical MS project. Too complicated for it's own good, trying to produce a tool that will solve every problem known to mankind.
BTW if you know anybody on this team could you please urge them write real error messages? I work with SQL server every day and I curse the team every time I get a "string or binary data would be truncated" or "overflow" or "syntax error on line 387 near ')'" errors. First of all WHY DON'T YOU TELL ME WHAT FUCKING FIELD YOU ARE HAVING A PROBLEM WITH YOU FUCK! and WHY DON'T YOU GIVE ME THE ACTUAL LINE NUMBER INSTEAD OF THE LINE NUMBER OF THE PARSED STORED PROC YOU FUCK.
My entire day is filled with cursing the SQL server team and I know it's not going to get better when we move to 2005, if anything it's going to get worse because we will be piling on assemblies on top of a pile of shit.
Maybe you are confusing "smells like" with "is". Is it an ORM or is it not? Why don't you compare it to nHibernate and get back to me.
"filename->lookup ("data_key")"
I agree that typing this would be easier but look at what it would involve. First of all the shell would have to be able able to take a string and invoke the lookup method on it. Then the lookup method would have to know that it was dealing with files and not some other string (presumably you could cat something | lookup too). It goes on and on. This would add an insane amount of complexity to your shell.
One option would be to limit your shell to dealing with files and directotories but then again you are unable to do anything other then lookup the dates, sizes, read and write lines etc on them. In other words no different then what you have today.
"How did the inventors of UNIX force everybody to use flat files for all their data storage?"
They didn't. They just wrote tools to deal with flat files (awk, sed, grep, sort, uniq etc) which encouraged the use them.
Microsoft is philosophically opposed to ORM layers. That's why they have never provided one with ODBC, ADO, DMO, .NET or whatever TLA they ever came out with. MS believes that you should use stored procs for pretty much everything. For example when they re-did petshop they loaded the entire thing with stored procs because it provided faster performance.
The fact that there are ten thousand CMS packages out there tells me that everybody has different needs is are trying their best to scratch their itches. I don't think you can get five people in a room and get them to agree to what a CMS is supposed to do in the first place.
You know it's interesting. People bash PHP all day long and yet people are able to make some really cool web sites with it. I am not a great fan of PHP but I have to say that wordpress, drupal, cmsmadesimple, gforge etc are all pretty amazing, mature and robust systems built by pretty smart people using this language that everybody loves to hate.
If you judge a tool by what you are able to build with it then I'd have to give some respect to PHP despite prefering ruby and python.
"The difference would be in the way the information is organised and presented."
I really don't think so. Right now the OS knows all the metadata it needs to know. At best you are adding to that metadata.
"there were a good way of dealing with these objects from the shell"
There is. cat filename | perl -e (or some such equivalent in python or ruby)
"these sorts of objects were used system-wide"
Facism doesn't work in OSS. How are you going to force everybody to use the same format for anything? The only place facism works is in windows where MS can dictate to all their developers how they have to do things but even then it doesn't work too well. Look how messy the registry has gotten, hell look at how many MS divisions disobey the MS look and feel guidelines. Look at how MS chucks their old conventions every two years and embraces some new buzzword.
I guess facism doesn't work in any OS.
In that case you would be exactly where you are now. You could do common things like read lines, read bytes, write lines, write bytes, check for EOF etc but for anything more sophisticated you would need some code that knew about the file. No different then what you have now. Right now I could serialize and object written in any language and save it to a file. In order to do anything with that file other then read bytes or lines I would have to have the original language and perhaps the serialization routine.
You may see this as a shortcoming but it's really not. What if every file was actually an object? You would have to keep track of what each object was, you would have to catalog the public interface of every file, you would have to rewrite every single application everytime a new class was created so it could deal with the new objects.
Programs like grep, sed, vi, etc would instantly become useless because they would have to know about every single class in the system, past present and future!.
It would be a nightmare. Besides people can do this now with python, ruby, perl or other scripting languages. There is no reason you can't use pickle, or yaml to dump ruby objects and then read them back with ruby. There are already shells written in perl and python and ruby.
How does that saying go..
"emacs is my operating system, linux is my device driver"
Maybe the same people who programmed the thing didn't create the web site.
Anyway it seems like an opportunity for you to get involved and pitch in. How hard would it be to take their web page and jazz it up a little?
That would be easy. Apple licences it's DRM to a small company who makes a decent but not great music player and sells it for under 100 dollars. This cuts off the MS oxygen supply and appel still owns the fashionable ipod which people pay premium for.
Done deal.
Have you seen those "support our troops" ribbons? Today it's not politicaly correct to say anything except "we support our troops". Wouldn't it be cool to have "support our teachers" ribbons?
It would never happen of course, they are unionized. We know how much the right wing hates unions, we have seen how much slashdot hates unions.