My boss could never even hope to manage a server. I would be shocked if he knew how to download from a ftp site!. Hell I would be shocked if he got his head out of his ass for five minutes.
"The US plans include using bunker-busting nukes. So what little international goodwill we have left will be gone for a generation."
Check. It's already done. Nobody has any goodwill left towards at all anymore. Hell half of america doesn't have goodwill left about their own country and wish they could live in a country where there were not so ashamed to be a citizen.
"Iran's planned response involves international terrorist capabilities our intelligence agencies rate as much greater than al Qeda's ever was. So there will be major losses in US and other population centers (which those other nations' peoples will blame on the US nuclear attack on Iran)."
Not so sure about this. So far the terrorists have been very inept. Not only in the number of people they have killed (very few compared to us) but also in strikng terror which is presumably their goal.
"At that point, given the "terrorist threat" having flared up into actual, massive retaliatory attacks, American politics will enter into seriously fascist territory, especially if Cheney manages to set this all off before the next elections -- whose odds of actually ever happenning will then approach zero."
Check. There is no doubt in my mind we are heading towards electing more and more draconian religious fundamentalists into office.
There will be war in Iran. It will be an air war like the once conducted by clinton. The planes will be based in Iraq and will be launched daily to drop massive bombs all over iran. All this will make for very nice TV broadcasts where there will be lots of explosions just like the movies, we will all eat it up and pat each other on the back about how we are number one.
There will not be any attempt at occupation, even bush knows by now that's a bad idea. There will be lot of killing and destruction though, we like that.
It doesn't have to be effective. If they did it five times and killed one person each time the population would be effectively terrorized. The purpose of terrorism isn't to kill people per-se. It's to scare them into some sort of action. Most people are perfectly happy to let any situation ride as long as it doesn't effect their daily lives. The terrorists seeks to effect the daily life of a fat dumb and happy or at least create the perception of the effect.
So in other words you want to withold all aid to africa until there is no longer any starvation there. Should we apply the same critera to the US? You do realize that there are starving people in the US too right? Should we stop all educational programs and stop buying computers for schools until we end starvation and homelessness in america too?
You dilemma is kind of moot. Most people don't vote on those issues. In the next election the most important issues will be moral issues where a very hard line is drawn between republicans and democrats and the war with iran (yes I said iran).
By bombing Iran Bush and flagging the abortion and gay marriage issues the republicans will be assured of a win in the next election.
Nobody cares about the size of the govt. The republican party has a sure fire button to push with their electorate who are much more alarmed with homosexual "rights" then the size of the govt.
Do you have a blog or something with your experiences. It's not a widely used system I for one would very much appreciate some real world knowledge about it.
Is it easy to install, is it easy to mananage? Does the replication work? Does the replication work? Does the replication work?
The thing is that companies by and large don't want to hire great programmers because they cost too much. They would rather hire a bunch of mediocre or crap programmers and make them use a bondage language like java or eiffel. The idea is that you need one sort of smart guy to design the application (writing the interfaces, contracts etc) and then an army of easily replaceable monkeys to do the actual implementation.
I don't think people will use eiffel for personal projects because there is no sense in putting yourself into bondage like that. The super l33t programmers seems to prefer really fluid languages like lisp and smalltalk.
"Are we really reduced such a dislike of Java that there is an objection to the fact that the update is only done on demand when the user starts an appliction by clicking a mouse?"
YOu don't seem be getting it. It is not possible to automate the downloading of the JRE or the JDK because in order to so you would have to violate SUN intellectual property. This means that no automated too such as apt, yum, clickNrun can install java for you and keep it up to date.
"There is also the Java Control Panel for Windows - that updates Java automatically and you don't even have to click anything."
In order to install java you had to agree to a sun EULA. Sun insists that you agree to their term before you download it for the first time. It's their right to do that but it's also preventing distributions from integrating java with their packaging systems.
Who does this hurt? Not me because I don't really care what language my applications are written in, not the distros who have thousands of packages written in other languages. It hurts sun and maybe you the java programmer.
Sorry but your gripe is with Sun. Go ask them to grant re-destribution rights to linux distros. What possible harm to sun could come from giving permission to distribute the JVM?
Usually the people who get hard ons while they are killing get them when it's a thirll kill. Dragging a nigger behind your truck is a thrill kill, it's done for fun.
Combat is a little different although I do think most soldiers eventually get to enjoy killing too. It seems to be based on what kind of a human being you were went you went to combat in the first place.
The thrill kill people are already sick in the head. The republitards who crucify fags, or drag niggers behind their trukcs are not in combat, they are killing for fun and for ideology. They get a kick out of it.
Firebird did all that and more. It still does. You should have done a tiny little bit of research before deciding your only choices were mysql and MSDE.
DIfferent people have different legal teams and different advice from those legal teams. Most distributions have chosen to play it safe.
"Yes, I do. Because I don't go along with some of the most extreme open source supporters that all software protection is bad and commercial companies are inherently evil."
Exactly how many examples of a corporation suing for trademarks, patents, copyrights, and other assorted "intellectual property" issues before you realize that corporations are unpredictable and many times their legal team does things that contradict what their CEOs say.
Having said that how many times have top level brass from sun contradicted each other? Sun is clearly an organization where the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing.
It's fine if you want to take the risk of a lawsuit, you can always create your own distro and redistribute the JRE but it's not fair for you to ask others to assume the same risk.
"It is strange, then, that they provide a tool that does just that - it is called Java Web Start."
"is that in order to truly spread the "philosophy" the product must succeed on its own without the "philosophy" attached. "
All software has philosophy. It's just that proprietary philosophy goes something like "make lots of money" or "greed is a wonderful thing" or "love of money is the root of all good".
One set requires an agreement with Sun on redistribution of the runtime and the JDK. IANAL but various distributions have read the license and have chosen not to be bound by it's terms, apparently they found it onorous.
One set requires an agreement with Sun before you can USE the JRE or the JDK. This means that you have to agree to be bound by Sun's terms before you can download the JDK and the JRE no matter what operating system you are using. This usually means you have to click on a form. This prevents you from automatically checking to see if there is a new version and downloading it. Even if you were able to automate that task you would be breaking Suns license which is a civil offence. Sun could sue you.
Maybe you think sun would never sue you but we have seen many examples of large corporations and their legal departments suing people willy nilly and winning. Do you really want to take that risk?
In a nutshell. Sun does not want you to automatically download and install their software. Not if you are a distributor (a distro) and not if you are an end user. You are legally bound to obey their wishes because they own the copyright.
"Er - what hoops? One click and it is downloaded. You don't have to jump through the hoops. I am free to redistribute the JRE with any Java program I produce."
Really? You mean I can just apt-get install JDK? You mean if I apt-get install your program the JDK or the JRE will be downloaded and installed? If I apt-get install a python program pyton gets installed, if I apt-get install a C# program mono gets installed automatically. If I don't have the same convenience with java why should I use your program?
"It is also your fault for now downloading the java implementation - which you are free to do at any time,"
It's it's a pain then I won't do it. You can blame me all you want but why should I use your program if I have to go through extra hoops before I can even install it and use it?
"By accepting that not everyone who is not entirely in support of his ideas is against him."
Has he ever said such a thing? I certainly don't recall anything like that.
"Some of their licensing is silly, I agree. That should be changed. But only a wild fanatic would deny the major benefits of Java to platforms such as Linux."
Java is just another programming language. If Sun doesn't want to play nice with open source other people can't make them.
"He's allowed to say whatever the hell he wants to say. As do I and you. I was merely expressing my opinion that these outbursts hurt him and his cause more than they help him. That's all."
Right. Your opinion is that he should not speak his mind and keep his opinion to himself lest he insult the most holy linus (and redhat and sun).
"No, not really. Without things like Java and advanced graphics drivers and real applications his vision is bust, because "the GNU system" can't expand and grow and take away market from Sun and Microsoft and everyone else. Or what exactly is his goal then? To just bitch about everything?"
His goal is not to take away market from Sun and MS. His goal has nothing to do with markets or products. Maybe you should read the GNU manifesto and spend some time at the FSF web site and find out what their goals are.
"The beauty is that he actually blames Sun and Linus and everyone else for the inabilities of the people who follow him to provide alternatives to these "dirty" versions of Really Useful Things That Everyone Would Really Like To Have."
Yes and monkeys regularly fly out of your butt and the moon is made out of green cheese. Why don't you provide a link to something he has said when you make an outragous statement like that. I bet he has never lied about what linus has said whereas you seem to feel perfectly content to lie about what he has said.
"I bet he's pretty fed up with Stallman's constant broadsides, but I'm pretty sure he's perfectly capable of deciding if he's going to "speak" to Stallman or not."
I am impressed by your ability to channel linus and read his mind.
Slashdot Mirror
LOL, I know you are not my boss because you got to slashdot. If it's not on the front page of MSN my boss can't get to it.
My boss could never even hope to manage a server. I would be shocked if he knew how to download from a ftp site!. Hell I would be shocked if he got his head out of his ass for five minutes.
"The US plans include using bunker-busting nukes. So what little international goodwill we have left will be gone for a generation."
Check. It's already done. Nobody has any goodwill left towards at all anymore. Hell half of america doesn't have goodwill left about their own country and wish they could live in a country where there were not so ashamed to be a citizen.
"Iran's planned response involves international terrorist capabilities our intelligence agencies rate as much greater than al Qeda's ever was. So there will be major losses in US and other population centers (which those other nations' peoples will blame on the US nuclear attack on Iran)."
Not so sure about this. So far the terrorists have been very inept. Not only in the number of people they have killed (very few compared to us) but also in strikng terror which is presumably their goal.
"At that point, given the "terrorist threat" having flared up into actual, massive retaliatory attacks, American politics will enter into seriously fascist territory, especially if Cheney manages to set this all off before the next elections -- whose odds of actually ever happenning will then approach zero."
Check. There is no doubt in my mind we are heading towards electing more and more draconian religious fundamentalists into office.
There will be war in Iran. It will be an air war like the once conducted by clinton. The planes will be based in Iraq and will be launched daily to drop massive bombs all over iran. All this will make for very nice TV broadcasts where there will be lots of explosions just like the movies, we will all eat it up and pat each other on the back about how we are number one.
There will not be any attempt at occupation, even bush knows by now that's a bad idea. There will be lot of killing and destruction though, we like that.
It doesn't have to be effective. If they did it five times and killed one person each time the population would be effectively terrorized. The purpose of terrorism isn't to kill people per-se. It's to scare them into some sort of action. Most people are perfectly happy to let any situation ride as long as it doesn't effect their daily lives. The terrorists seeks to effect the daily life of a fat dumb and happy or at least create the perception of the effect.
So in other words you want to withold all aid to africa until there is no longer any starvation there. Should we apply the same critera to the US? You do realize that there are starving people in the US too right? Should we stop all educational programs and stop buying computers for schools until we end starvation and homelessness in america too?
You dilemma is kind of moot. Most people don't vote on those issues. In the next election the most important issues will be moral issues where a very hard line is drawn between republicans and democrats and the war with iran (yes I said iran).
By bombing Iran Bush and flagging the abortion and gay marriage issues the republicans will be assured of a win in the next election.
Nobody cares about the size of the govt. The republican party has a sure fire button to push with their electorate who are much more alarmed with homosexual "rights" then the size of the govt.
Now that we own iraq and soon iran we will be able have even more then 40% of our oil be "domestic".
There is something profoundly wrong with the world and mankind when acts of kindness are looked upon with suspicion and kind people are berated.
Microsoft gives more money to republicans then they do democrats. Just check open secrets and see for yourself.
I don't understand why you felt the need to try and lie about such an easily verified fact.
vista? What vista? Is that the thing I need to run the new Duke Nukem?
Thank you. I have your blog bookmarked. I am especially curious about the replication.
sounds like taoism to me.
Do you have a blog or something with your experiences. It's not a widely used system I for one would very much appreciate some real world knowledge about it.
Is it easy to install, is it easy to mananage? Does the replication work? Does the replication work? Does the replication work?
"What caused the big bang? or What external force was there that caused the big bang?"
To paraphrase Stephen Hawkings "that's like asking what's north of the north pole". It's also like asking "who created god?".
The thing is that companies by and large don't want to hire great programmers because they cost too much. They would rather hire a bunch of mediocre or crap programmers and make them use a bondage language like java or eiffel. The idea is that you need one sort of smart guy to design the application (writing the interfaces, contracts etc) and then an army of easily replaceable monkeys to do the actual implementation.
I don't think people will use eiffel for personal projects because there is no sense in putting yourself into bondage like that. The super l33t programmers seems to prefer really fluid languages like lisp and smalltalk.
"Are we really reduced such a dislike of Java that there is an objection to the fact that the update is only done on demand when the user starts an appliction by clicking a mouse?"
YOu don't seem be getting it. It is not possible to automate the downloading of the JRE or the JDK because in order to so you would have to violate SUN intellectual property. This means that no automated too such as apt, yum, clickNrun can install java for you and keep it up to date.
"There is also the Java Control Panel for Windows - that updates Java automatically and you don't even have to click anything."
In order to install java you had to agree to a sun EULA. Sun insists that you agree to their term before you download it for the first time. It's their right to do that but it's also preventing distributions from integrating java with their packaging systems.
Who does this hurt? Not me because I don't really care what language my applications are written in, not the distros who have thousands of packages written in other languages. It hurts sun and maybe you the java programmer.
Sorry but your gripe is with Sun. Go ask them to grant re-destribution rights to linux distros. What possible harm to sun could come from giving permission to distribute the JVM?
Usually the people who get hard ons while they are killing get them when it's a thirll kill. Dragging a nigger behind your truck is a thrill kill, it's done for fun.
Combat is a little different although I do think most soldiers eventually get to enjoy killing too. It seems to be based on what kind of a human being you were went you went to combat in the first place.
The thrill kill people are already sick in the head. The republitards who crucify fags, or drag niggers behind their trukcs are not in combat, they are killing for fun and for ideology. They get a kick out of it.
Firebird did all that and more. It still does. You should have done a tiny little bit of research before deciding your only choices were mysql and MSDE.
"And others haven't."
DIfferent people have different legal teams and different advice from those legal teams. Most distributions have chosen to play it safe.
"Yes, I do. Because I don't go along with some of the most extreme open source supporters that all software protection is bad and commercial companies are inherently evil."
Exactly how many examples of a corporation suing for trademarks, patents, copyrights, and other assorted "intellectual property" issues before you realize that corporations are unpredictable and many times their legal team does things that contradict what their CEOs say.
Having said that how many times have top level brass from sun contradicted each other? Sun is clearly an organization where the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing.
It's fine if you want to take the risk of a lawsuit, you can always create your own distro and redistribute the JRE but it's not fair for you to ask others to assume the same risk.
"It is strange, then, that they provide a tool that does just that - it is called Java Web Start."
Java web start requires you to click.
"is that in order to truly spread the "philosophy" the product must succeed on its own without the "philosophy" attached. "
All software has philosophy. It's just that proprietary philosophy goes something like "make lots of money" or "greed is a wonderful thing" or "love of money is the root of all good".
Sun has two sets of requirements for Java.
One set requires an agreement with Sun on redistribution of the runtime and the JDK. IANAL but various distributions have read the license and have chosen not to be bound by it's terms, apparently they found it onorous.
One set requires an agreement with Sun before you can USE the JRE or the JDK. This means that you have to agree to be bound by Sun's terms before you can download the JDK and the JRE no matter what operating system you are using. This usually means you have to click on a form. This prevents you from automatically checking to see if there is a new version and downloading it. Even if you were able to automate that task you would be breaking Suns license which is a civil offence. Sun could sue you.
Maybe you think sun would never sue you but we have seen many examples of large corporations and their legal departments suing people willy nilly and winning. Do you really want to take that risk?
In a nutshell. Sun does not want you to automatically download and install their software. Not if you are a distributor (a distro) and not if you are an end user. You are legally bound to obey their wishes because they own the copyright.
"And I bet you have some serious issues with people criticizing Stallman"
Nonsense. As long as your criticism is factual and not based on ad-hominen then by all means go ahead. I am still waiting.
"Er - what hoops? One click and it is downloaded. You don't have to jump through the hoops. I am free to redistribute the JRE with any Java program I produce."
Really? You mean I can just apt-get install JDK? You mean if I apt-get install your program the JDK or the JRE will be downloaded and installed? If I apt-get install a python program pyton gets installed, if I apt-get install a C# program mono gets installed automatically. If I don't have the same convenience with java why should I use your program?
"It is also your fault for now downloading the java implementation - which you are free to do at any time,"
It's it's a pain then I won't do it. You can blame me all you want but why should I use your program if I have to go through extra hoops before I can even install it and use it?
"By accepting that not everyone who is not entirely in support of his ideas is against him."
Has he ever said such a thing? I certainly don't recall anything like that.
"Some of their licensing is silly, I agree. That should be changed. But only a wild fanatic would deny the major benefits of Java to platforms such as Linux."
Java is just another programming language. If Sun doesn't want to play nice with open source other people can't make them.
"He's allowed to say whatever the hell he wants to say. As do I and you. I was merely expressing my opinion that these outbursts hurt him and his cause more than they help him. That's all."
Right. Your opinion is that he should not speak his mind and keep his opinion to himself lest he insult the most holy linus (and redhat and sun).
"No, not really. Without things like Java and advanced graphics drivers and real applications his vision is bust, because "the GNU system" can't expand and grow and take away market from Sun and Microsoft and everyone else. Or what exactly is his goal then? To just bitch about everything?"
His goal is not to take away market from Sun and MS. His goal has nothing to do with markets or products. Maybe you should read the GNU manifesto and spend some time at the FSF web site and find out what their goals are.
"The beauty is that he actually blames Sun and Linus and everyone else for the inabilities of the people who follow him to provide alternatives to these "dirty" versions of Really Useful Things That Everyone Would Really Like To Have."
Yes and monkeys regularly fly out of your butt and the moon is made out of green cheese. Why don't you provide a link to something he has said when you make an outragous statement like that. I bet he has never lied about what linus has said whereas you seem to feel perfectly content to lie about what he has said.
"I bet he's pretty fed up with Stallman's constant broadsides, but I'm pretty sure he's perfectly capable of deciding if he's going to "speak" to Stallman or not."
I am impressed by your ability to channel linus and read his mind.