A better question might be what does oracle give you that openingress doesn't. Openingress documentation states that it does multi way replication and multi node trees and other "enterprise" features.
"I'm an asshole? You just got through telling me I should take crappy software that doesn't do what I want and I damn well better like it."
Nonsense. I never said such a thing. The fact you have to lie tells me that you have basically no argument left.
"You're idea of giving me a present is to saddle me with crap that I don't want and call me a bad person when I point it out. Gifts like that aren't something I need."
Did the open source goon squad come to your house and make use that crappy software? I didn't think so. You chose to go and get something somebody was giving away for free, install it, and use it.
If you don't want it then don't use it.
You are an asshole and you do make me sick. People like you are scum. You actively spit on the faces of people trying to get work done. You shit on people who give away great free software. You are a leech and scum of the highest order. Some fuckwad who does nothing productive, does nothing for anybody else and mocks people who help out. I hesitate to think what kind of fucked up parents raised a sociopath like you.
"All that was stated was that those morals have no place in a practical comparison of software,"
Only if you believe that ethics and morals have no place in commerce. I disagree. Everything has a moral and ethical consequence.
"have no problem if you think that free software is morally superior. However, moral superiority doesn't help me get my job done"
I don't care about your job.
"in the absence of moral abuses (Microsoft using the profits from Windows to fund death squads, for example) it really doesn't concern me in this particular instance."
Clearly your threashold of immoral behavior is set very high. To you all kinds of lying, cheating, stealing, abusing the consumers etc are all OK as long as a corporation is not funding death squads. Some of us have a finer grained sense of ethics.
"here's far more important moral questions to consider than proprietary software."
Sure there are but I am smart enough to consider both those questions and proprietary software in same way that I am able to consider the ethics of school bullying when there are people being tortured in iraq and starving in africa. We can't just drop all ethical choices because there are atrocitites going on in the world.
There are more then 10 million people in tokyo alone. You really think Japan can support the population it has now? Of course not. Japan has eaten through it's tree population and is not having to import every square inch of wood.
Unfortunately they have painted themselves into a corner. The future of mankind is exactly like japan today. This pyramid scheme where the young work to finance the old is going to collapse sooner or later. We can hold if off for a while by opening up the floddgates and letting the dark people work to support us but even that's going to collapse sooner or later.
If japan is to run itself sustainably it probably needs to have something like four or five million people tops.
"No, I don't have to give up my morals. I have to give up YOUR morals. And since I don't agree with them, we're not talking about a huge sacrifice. Why should your morals be imposed on me, to the detriment of my ability to get my work done?"
Err half right anyway.
1) You are asking people to give up their morals for your material benefit. Considering these people don't really owe you anything in the fist place that makes you an asshole.
2) My morals are not imposed on you in any way because nobody is forcing you to use open source software.
"And who's talking about leeching? The people who develop the software I use are compensated through licensing fees."
Wonderful, continue to use that software and pay those people. Leave us alone to pursue our little game the way want then.
When somebody gives you a present you don't like the polite response is to say "Why thank you, how lovely" and then give it somebody else or hide it in the closet.
Only the most supreme of assholes would berate the gift giver because the pony they got wasn't as fast at the quarterhorse for sale down at the breeders for a million bucks.
You my friend are a supreme asshole. Only uncivilized assholes go around spitting on the people who give them gifts because the gifts are not good enough for them.
Never mind, the astro turfers will always downmod anything like my post. The "gimme, gimme, gimme" crowd doesn't want to hear about it. They all want free software that works, looks, and acts exactly like photoshop but of course they don't want to lift a finger to help.
Fucking whiners all of them. They are just leeches on society, always standing there with their hand out begging for shit and then complaining that you haven't given them enough when you toss some coins their way.
It's a perfectly good example. You want something, you make a decision that in order to get it you have to abandon your sense of ethics and morals. Why? Because it's more important for you to get what you want then to obey your conscience.
Of course in the case free software it's even weirder. The leeches actually want the developers to abandon their ethics in order to give the leechers something the leech wants.
Abandon your ethics so I can a free copy of photoshop.
I am sorry we were not able to provide you with a free copy of photoshop. I know that you won't be satisfied until somebody gives your everything photoshop does, the exact same as photoshop does it for free. In the mean time there is GIMP. MOST people find it adequate for everything they need to do.
"Pagemaker is a LOT better than Draw for, say, laying out a newsletter. Yes, yes, LaTeX... but why learn a complicated system when there's an easy one available?"
I am sorry we were not able to provide you a free copy of pagemaker. Many people find latex a far superior alternative though. I realize that those people may be more motivated then you, apparently they are able to learn Latex without too much trouble and sing it's praises non stop after they have.
"Dia may do for planning your network, but Visio is good for a lot of other things."
I am sorry we were not able to provide with a free copy of visio. Many people use Dia every day though and it seems to fit their needs just fine.
"Writing my congressman doesn't help me play a movie tonight, tomorrow, next week, or probably even this year."
Yes, there is no sense in trying to gain back the freedom that was taken away from you. It's much more important to be able to watch that movie where jennifer lopez falls in love with that ben affleck, that was so CUTE!. How can I possibly write my congressman when I have a jennifer lopez DVD to watch.
Yes and some people just want to be rich, sometimes hairsplitting about whether or not to steal money just gets in the way of that. Sometimes hairsplitting on what is an what's not torture just gets in the way too.
That's the problem with ethics, it gets in the way of what we want sometimes.
"As far as the 'peace activists' today, they can only wish they were important enough for the government to pay much attention to.
The secret agencies aren't operated by a paranoid boob like J. Edgar Hoover anymore, ya know."
I think Mr. Murdoch would be very pleased to know that the millions he spends feeding right wing drivel into the freepers and republitards doesn't go to waste.
"Post "good stuff" under your real name, perhaps linked to a professional-sounding alias, and post other crap under another alias that you never link to your real name."
As long as the "good stuff" doesn't contain any references to religion or politics. I can certainly see somebody not hiring you because you are a liberal or a conservative. No matter how thoughtful your article on the plight of the palestinians was it might prevent you being hired by a born again christian or a orthodox jew.
It might be best to keep a "professional" blog that only deals with your profession and then other personal and anonymous blogs where you talk about politics and religion.
"If only that where true. You give the policy makers too mych credit, I think."
Why? Are you saying they would never think to gather intelligence about possible influential arabs? The NSA, FBI and CIA have a long history of doing these kinds of things. From the weatherman and the black panthers in the sixties, to MLK, to John Lennon, to the peace activists today.
This has been a standard operating procedure of the US intelligence for decades now.
That's probably it. They are probably looking to gather names of more intelligent and educated arabs. These arabs are the ones most likely to be influential if the muslim community in the US ever gets its act together and starts lobbying and pushing for change. Right now they seem to be too afraid to speak up or otherwise get uppity (not that I blame them of course). Last I checked there were more muslims in the US then jews but of course you can't even begin to compare their political or cultural influence.
"The purpose of presenting those documents to the public is to slyly hint, to the Iraqi insurgents, that Washington has even more documents and, more importantly, all the detailed information about their whereabouts and their next set of moves. Washington hopes that this threat just might scare the insurgents into leaving Iraq. Basically, Washington is doing psy-ops (psychological warfare) on the Internet."
Is this like the time the American govt knew where there were 50 tons of chemical weapons in Iraq?
A plea to the US govt: If you have detailed information about the whereabouts and the next movements about the insurgents please go and get them. Please stop dragging this war out any further then neccassary. Furthermore if you know where the insurgents are and what they are about to do there is no need to further torture people in Iraq and there is no need to ship people to other countries to be tortured.
"Washington will do everything (including psy-ops) that it can up until 2007 January 1, the start of the next presidential campaign season. After 2007 January 1, Washington will pull the troops out of Iraqi."
I thought it was obvious to everybody by now that a war with iran was planned for the next presidential election cycle. Maybe not a full all out invasion but surely ariel bombardment and plenty of nice video of exploding buildings (no ugly dead people please, just the explosions like you see in movies thank you). Just enough to make sure this extremely unpopular president does not harm the chances of making sure then next govt is also dominated by republicans.
You analogies are are not apt here. It's a matter or resources. Letting a "negro" join a golf course doesn't take any extra effort but having all open source developers stop what they are doing for a year or two and make sure all their applications work for blind will destroy most projects.
Even then you still haven't solved the problem of what to do about quadrapalegics or people who are both blind and deaf. Should we stop all work on all open source projects until whe have a tactile interface to linux for people who are both blind and deaf?
If you took a poll that said "what's the most important thing OSS developers should work on" the answer would not be "better sounding text to speech".
Let's face it there are limited resources. Do we want those developers spending time to make it sound better for the benefit of few or make it look and work better for the benefit of the many?
This is cleary a situation where the disabled community is going to have to raise some funds and pay for the development or do it themselves. Perhaps a federal grant would be useful here.
"She hasn't worked with many linux programs, so she couldn't provide much of a comparison, but your comments are why disabled people might not choose linux over Windows."
That's fine. I say let's not worry about the disabled people until we get the corporations to adopt linux on their desktop. That's the prize. Get the corporations and the hardware manufacturers will write drivers. Get the corporations and the rest will follow.
"Just like most users, they just want software that works for them. If the software needs to be designed slightly better to work for them, then where's the harm in trying to improve it?"
WHere is the harm? You just stated the harm. Every minute and every dollar spent making linux work for the blind is a minute not spent making linux work better for the average user. Do you want the programmers to spend a half a year making their software talk or spend a half a year putting in that shiny GUI so your average windows shlub won't be freaked out because he has to GASP *edit a file!!!!!!*.
The windows shlubs are not satisfied yet, you really want to abandon those losers and pursue the handicapped?
Well if you read between the lines you know where I stand. Fuck all of them. Keep making linux better for the geek, I use it because it works for me and I want all those developers to continue to work to make ME happy. I already resent all the effort to try to appease a bunch of retards who think editing a file scary work.
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A better question might be what does oracle give you that openingress doesn't. Openingress documentation states that it does multi way replication and multi node trees and other "enterprise" features.
Has anybody used them?
"I'm an asshole? You just got through telling me I should take crappy software that doesn't do what I want and I damn well better like it."
Nonsense. I never said such a thing. The fact you have to lie tells me that you have basically no argument left.
"You're idea of giving me a present is to saddle me with crap that I don't want and call me a bad person when I point it out. Gifts like that aren't something I need."
Did the open source goon squad come to your house and make use that crappy software? I didn't think so. You chose to go and get something somebody was giving away for free, install it, and use it.
If you don't want it then don't use it.
You are an asshole and you do make me sick. People like you are scum. You actively spit on the faces of people trying to get work done. You shit on people who give away great free software. You are a leech and scum of the highest order. Some fuckwad who does nothing productive, does nothing for anybody else and mocks people who help out. I hesitate to think what kind of fucked up parents raised a sociopath like you.
"All that was stated was that those morals have no place in a practical comparison of software,"
Only if you believe that ethics and morals have no place in commerce. I disagree. Everything has a moral and ethical consequence.
"have no problem if you think that free software is morally superior. However, moral superiority doesn't help me get my job done"
I don't care about your job.
"in the absence of moral abuses (Microsoft using the profits from Windows to fund death squads, for example) it really doesn't concern me in this particular instance."
Clearly your threashold of immoral behavior is set very high. To you all kinds of lying, cheating, stealing, abusing the consumers etc are all OK as long as a corporation is not funding death squads. Some of us have a finer grained sense of ethics.
"here's far more important moral questions to consider than proprietary software."
Sure there are but I am smart enough to consider both those questions and proprietary software in same way that I am able to consider the ethics of school bullying when there are people being tortured in iraq and starving in africa. We can't just drop all ethical choices because there are atrocitites going on in the world.
THere is no appreciable difference between "there are trees but we can't get to them" and "there are no trees"
There are more then 10 million people in tokyo alone. You really think Japan can support the population it has now? Of course not. Japan has eaten through it's tree population and is not having to import every square inch of wood.
Unfortunately they have painted themselves into a corner. The future of mankind is exactly like japan today. This pyramid scheme where the young work to finance the old is going to collapse sooner or later. We can hold if off for a while by opening up the floddgates and letting the dark people work to support us but even that's going to collapse sooner or later.
If japan is to run itself sustainably it probably needs to have something like four or five million people tops.
apple has a history of abandoning really cool technology. Hypercard, dylan, webobjects, newton etc.
"No, I don't have to give up my morals. I have to give up YOUR morals. And since I don't agree with them, we're not talking about a huge sacrifice. Why should your morals be imposed on me, to the detriment of my ability to get my work done?"
Err half right anyway.
1) You are asking people to give up their morals for your material benefit. Considering these people don't really owe you anything in the fist place that makes you an asshole.
2) My morals are not imposed on you in any way because nobody is forcing you to use open source software.
"And who's talking about leeching? The people who develop the software I use are compensated through licensing fees."
Wonderful, continue to use that software and pay those people. Leave us alone to pursue our little game the way want then.
When somebody gives you a present you don't like the polite response is to say "Why thank you, how lovely" and then give it somebody else or hide it in the closet.
Only the most supreme of assholes would berate the gift giver because the pony they got wasn't as fast at the quarterhorse for sale down at the breeders for a million bucks.
You my friend are a supreme asshole. Only uncivilized assholes go around spitting on the people who give them gifts because the gifts are not good enough for them.
"You're giving Murdoch and his news organs too much credit. Some of us can think for ourselves."
Not you apparently. You seemed to have gladly swallowed all that pablum.
Do you still believe that those dirty hippie peacenik fags are not being tracked by the FBI?
Never mind, the astro turfers will always downmod anything like my post. The "gimme, gimme, gimme" crowd doesn't want to hear about it. They all want free software that works, looks, and acts exactly like photoshop but of course they don't want to lift a finger to help.
Fucking whiners all of them. They are just leeches on society, always standing there with their hand out begging for shit and then complaining that you haven't given them enough when you toss some coins their way.
Worse then beggars, literal leeches on society.
It's a perfectly good example. You want something, you make a decision that in order to get it you have to abandon your sense of ethics and morals. Why? Because it's more important for you to get what you want then to obey your conscience.
Of course in the case free software it's even weirder. The leeches actually want the developers to abandon their ethics in order to give the leechers something the leech wants.
Abandon your ethics so I can a free copy of photoshop.
Eclipse is better then VS. VS is not free (except for the crippled version).
"GIMP does not equal Photoshop."
I am sorry we were not able to provide you with a free copy of photoshop. I know that you won't be satisfied until somebody gives your everything photoshop does, the exact same as photoshop does it for free. In the mean time there is GIMP. MOST people find it adequate for everything they need to do.
"Pagemaker is a LOT better than Draw for, say, laying out a newsletter. Yes, yes, LaTeX... but why learn a complicated system when there's an easy one available?"
I am sorry we were not able to provide you a free copy of pagemaker. Many people find latex a far superior alternative though. I realize that those people may be more motivated then you, apparently they are able to learn Latex without too much trouble and sing it's praises non stop after they have.
"Dia may do for planning your network, but Visio is good for a lot of other things."
I am sorry we were not able to provide with a free copy of visio. Many people use Dia every day though and it seems to fit their needs just fine.
"Writing my congressman doesn't help me play a movie tonight, tomorrow, next week, or probably even this year."
Yes, there is no sense in trying to gain back the freedom that was taken away from you. It's much more important to be able to watch that movie where jennifer lopez falls in love with that ben affleck, that was so CUTE!. How can I possibly write my congressman when I have a jennifer lopez DVD to watch.
Oh one more thing.
PEOPLE LIKE YOU MAKE ME SICK!
Thank you.
"DESIGN THE SOFTWARE WITH THE NEW-TO-LINUX USER IN MIND."
Yessa masstah, we will get right on that for you. Anything for you dear sir, please forgive us for not having done it yet massah.
Yes and some people just want to be rich, sometimes hairsplitting about whether or not to steal money just gets in the way of that. Sometimes hairsplitting on what is an what's not torture just gets in the way too.
That's the problem with ethics, it gets in the way of what we want sometimes.
I guess the societal traditions are going to have to change. In the US they would just toss the mother in an old age home and pay through the nose.
"As far as the 'peace activists' today, they can only wish they were important enough for the government to pay much attention to.
The secret agencies aren't operated by a paranoid boob like J. Edgar Hoover anymore, ya know."
I think Mr. Murdoch would be very pleased to know that the millions he spends feeding right wing drivel into the freepers and republitards doesn't go to waste.
here ya go
"Post "good stuff" under your real name, perhaps linked to a professional-sounding alias, and post other crap under another alias that you never link to your real name."
As long as the "good stuff" doesn't contain any references to religion or politics. I can certainly see somebody not hiring you because you are a liberal or a conservative. No matter how thoughtful your article on the plight of the palestinians was it might prevent you being hired by a born again christian or a orthodox jew.
It might be best to keep a "professional" blog that only deals with your profession and then other personal and anonymous blogs where you talk about politics and religion.
"If only that where true. You give the policy makers too mych credit, I think."
Why? Are you saying they would never think to gather intelligence about possible influential arabs? The NSA, FBI and CIA have a long history of doing these kinds of things. From the weatherman and the black panthers in the sixties, to MLK, to John Lennon, to the peace activists today.
This has been a standard operating procedure of the US intelligence for decades now.
That's probably it. They are probably looking to gather names of more intelligent and educated arabs. These arabs are the ones most likely to be influential if the muslim community in the US ever gets its act together and starts lobbying and pushing for change. Right now they seem to be too afraid to speak up or otherwise get uppity (not that I blame them of course). Last I checked there were more muslims in the US then jews but of course you can't even begin to compare their political or cultural influence.
"The purpose of presenting those documents to the public is to slyly hint, to the Iraqi insurgents, that Washington has even more documents and, more importantly, all the detailed information about their whereabouts and their next set of moves. Washington hopes that this threat just might scare the insurgents into leaving Iraq. Basically, Washington is doing psy-ops (psychological warfare) on the Internet."
Is this like the time the American govt knew where there were 50 tons of chemical weapons in Iraq?
A plea to the US govt: If you have detailed information about the whereabouts and the next movements about the insurgents please go and get them. Please stop dragging this war out any further then neccassary. Furthermore if you know where the insurgents are and what they are about to do there is no need to further torture people in Iraq and there is no need to ship people to other countries to be tortured.
"Washington will do everything (including psy-ops) that it can up until 2007 January 1, the start of the next presidential campaign season. After 2007 January 1, Washington will pull the troops out of Iraqi."
I thought it was obvious to everybody by now that a war with iran was planned for the next presidential election cycle. Maybe not a full all out invasion but surely ariel bombardment and plenty of nice video of exploding buildings (no ugly dead people please, just the explosions like you see in movies thank you). Just enough to make sure this extremely unpopular president does not harm the chances of making sure then next govt is also dominated by republicans.
A war with Iran combined with diebold rigging the next election in CA should do the trick nicely.
You analogies are are not apt here. It's a matter or resources. Letting a "negro" join a golf course doesn't take any extra effort but having all open source developers stop what they are doing for a year or two and make sure all their applications work for blind will destroy most projects.
Even then you still haven't solved the problem of what to do about quadrapalegics or people who are both blind and deaf. Should we stop all work on all open source projects until whe have a tactile interface to linux for people who are both blind and deaf?
If you took a poll that said "what's the most important thing OSS developers should work on" the answer would not be "better sounding text to speech".
Let's face it there are limited resources. Do we want those developers spending time to make it sound better for the benefit of few or make it look and work better for the benefit of the many?
This is cleary a situation where the disabled community is going to have to raise some funds and pay for the development or do it themselves. Perhaps a federal grant would be useful here.
"She hasn't worked with many linux programs, so she couldn't provide much of a comparison, but your comments are why disabled people might not choose linux over Windows."
That's fine. I say let's not worry about the disabled people until we get the corporations to adopt linux on their desktop. That's the prize. Get the corporations and the hardware manufacturers will write drivers. Get the corporations and the rest will follow.
"Just like most users, they just want software that works for them. If the software needs to be designed slightly better to work for them, then where's the harm in trying to improve it?"
WHere is the harm? You just stated the harm. Every minute and every dollar spent making linux work for the blind is a minute not spent making linux work better for the average user. Do you want the programmers to spend a half a year making their software talk or spend a half a year putting in that shiny GUI so your average windows shlub won't be freaked out because he has to GASP *edit a file!!!!!!*.
The windows shlubs are not satisfied yet, you really want to abandon those losers and pursue the handicapped?
Well if you read between the lines you know where I stand. Fuck all of them. Keep making linux better for the geek, I use it because it works for me and I want all those developers to continue to work to make ME happy. I already resent all the effort to try to appease a bunch of retards who think editing a file scary work.
Ok, what then? What about installing photoshop or oracle or apache?