Debian and derivatives come with exim set as the default MTA. I don't understand why redhat and it's derivatives come with sendmail as the default MTA. Postfix can actually be configured by normal people unlike sendmail and it's just as performant and a lot more secure.
Just doesn't make sense. The first thing I do any redhat system is to chuck sendmail and install postfix instead.
"When I bought my copy, I had a child in Kindergarten. A year later, and he still hasn't used Office -- but my wife and I did."
Since you didn't fulfill any of the items in the criterea I don't see why you just didn't find a pirated copy and use that? I mean if you are not going to obey the license they why bother paying 125 in the first place?
"It's a fact, sunshine. Making up words like "republitard" doesn't change that fact."
I make up words like republitard to describe people like you (it's so fitting don't you think?) and you make up facts like socialism and fasicm are the same thing.
"Yes, but apparently not enough- we had to return 10 years later."
Bush Sr made a decision to leave saddam in place and put the population under the worst kind of misery he could imagine. The idea was that if the people were miserable they would overthrow him. He miscalculated or he was dumb. Even though he was able to successfully destroy many water treatment plants, electricity facilities, sewage treatment plants, public buildings, hospitals, roads and bridges the people never took up arms. He also started sanctions on the country to try and deny them medicine and food and still didnt' work. Maybe because they were sick and dying by the millions who knows.
Anyway he failed miserably both in planning and execution of his war. He killed millions of people for nothing. His son tried to finish the job for him but this time with occupation in mind.
"Ah, but that wasn't the claim, was it? The claim that 84% of our military believe was the objective was to Get Saddam because he was part of the cause of 9/11. 72% now believe that objective has been accomplished, and 29% believe we're at mission accomplished and should withdraw now."
Americans are docile and easily fooled. I don't think there can be any dispute about that.
"And once again, that's the wrong objective as far as the American people or military are concerned- only a small minority at the top believe that to be our objective."
Those are people that count. The rest of the people have no idea what our objective is and frankly don't care all that much.
"I hope so- but I doubt it. I'm to the point that I simply don't think our Commander In Chief has either the brains or the competance to do it."
"That's true, but you have to pick your names carefully. Calling open source "communist" is good, as it not only has a grain of truth in it (in that it is indeed a communal effort), it still sets up the right kind of negative imagery in the heads of those you want to affect."
Like I said, we can not afford to do the kind of market research that MS can. What we can safely do is to call MS sleazy, unethical, mean, destructive, cult-like, fascist (the whole grain of truth thing) etc. We can also play around with other words to see what kind of words have impact and stick with the ones that seem to cause a negative reaction to MS. Kind of like doing our own market research.
In the mean time I think it's safe to start every sentence which mentions Ballmer or Gates with the words "liar" or "criminal" those certainly have grains of truths to them don't you think?
"Calling Microsoft "M$" is not good. So it associates Microsoft with money. So what?"
That's an old joke. It has to with the early versions of basic where stings had to be declared with $ after them. For example let name$="microsoft". These days it's useful because it seems to annoy the shills and astro turfers to no end. They go into apoplexy every time they see M$. I see it a useful tool in forums like this where a lot of astro turfers and shills hang out.
"Actually, I've only ever seen "open sores" used by ordinary people, often in response to the same tired old BSOD and M$ comments."
Open sores was in vogue for a while by the so called journalists on the MS pr Payroll. People like enderlee and such. You don't see it so much these days as M$ has decided to use words like communist. The M$ pr dept may or may not go back to it I don't know. It seems like they are moving towards terrorist or anti-american/anti-capitalist these days.
Anyway my point remains the same. Name calling is good. Let's do it all the time. It's been proven to work by M$ itself as well as most corporations and political parties. Let's not pretend to be all high and mighty. The worst kinds of sleaze merchants have declared war on the open source movement, if we just sit here and be nice we will get clobbered.
"I realize that Muslims differ on their interpetations of this, but teetoalling doesn't necessarily imply fundamentalism."
If a jew does not go out on the sabbath they are called "orthodox" which to me is no different then "fundamentalist". The same for muslims that don't drink. They are relying on a strict interpretation of an ancient text.
There is nothing wrong with bush. He is perfect. Move along now, these are not the fascist you are looking for. The right wind talk show hosts are actually fuzzy teddy bears. They didn't mean it when they called you a america hater or a feminazi and compared your concern for the environment to the extermination of 6 million jews.
Move along now, nothing to see here. Go wait in your room until the brownshirts come to round you up.
1) There is no way a republican congress is going to impeach a republican president. If this was possible they would have done it by now. The president has committed a felony by ordering domestic wiretapping without judicial oversight.
2) The court has been stacked so as to rubber stamp the president's will.
"If this were true, the Iraq war would have been over VERY quickly- in about the time it would have taken to retarget an ICBM, launch it, have it travel halfway across the world and the 12 cobalt warheads disperse around Iraq."
We destroyed a lot of the Iraqi infrastructure the first time we went on a rampage there. This of course caused widespread dysentery and disease because people no longer had access to clean water and sewage facilities. We of course didn't care because we had no intention of taking over the place after that war.
This time around the goal was to occupy the country so we refrained from doing things like launching ICBMs and massive arial bombardment. It makes no sense to destroy the stuff you want to take over.
"If the key was simply to kill the target, that would have been the easiest way to get Hussien. It would also be the easiest way to get bin Laden, if you didn't mind the Tora Bora Mountains and most of Northern Pakistan/Afghanistan being turned into a radioactive glass crater."
Once again the goal is not to kill Osama. Osama is a very handy tool to keep the US public scared and docile. The goal is to build a pipeline from the oil rich caspian region to the warm water ports in the middle east. You can't do that if you have turned the country into a wasteland. You will need those afghans to toil for you. You need their labor.
"We know within the 100 mile fireball of a cobalt warhead where these people are."
I do believe that we know EXACTLY where osama is. He is most likely under US custody in a prison somewhere in europe or the middle east. He will be brought out before the next election to assure a republican victory.
"This doesn't change the fact that fascism is also socialism."
To a republitard. To a rational sane person they are different.
How does that saying go? If you think you are crazy then you are not or something like that. To a crazy person they seem normal, the voices in their head seem real.
A republitard is the same way. To a republitard there is no difference between facism and socialism. A republitard wonders why they chose different words to describe the same thing in the first place!.
". The suicide bomber intends to kill civilians. The US intends to kill a military target."
Not quite right. Here is how it is.
The suicide bomber intends to kill civillians because he lacks weaponry to attack military targets.
The US does not care if it kills civillians and is willing to kill as many as it takes if it MIGHT result in the death of target.
Of course the US is also willing to round up human beings all over the world and then ship them off to be tortured but that's another topic.
"It's also true that these "civilians" that are killed aren't all that innocent. "
This I agree with you a little bit. In a democracy all people are somewhat responsible for the actions of their govt. All those israelis are somewhat complicit in their governments continued state of apartheid and opression of 3.5 million people.
"Congratulations, they call you a communist and you call them fascists. Let's all call names then, shall we? You'll probably find some names for me also. Where does that get us?"
Make no mistake. Calling names is one of the most effective ways to push your agenda forward while crippling your enemy. All corporations know this, microsoft more then most. Do you really think those communist, cancer and open sores comments were off the cuff? There was much consultation with PR firms, speech writers, and internal marketing departments before those words were chosen. They were chosen because market research showed that they would have the desired impact.
Politicians too know about the effectiveness of name calling. That's why words like socialist, communist, anti-american get throws around so easily.
I know the open source movement can't afford the same kinds of market research that MS of a political party can but we can learn from their research and we can certainly start throwing out words and see which ones stick.
Name calling is a great tool and certainly effective. If your enemy is using it and you are not then you will lose.
"I don't know what they did to you or what happened to you in a previous life but please get over it."
No thanks. Turning other cheek often results in getting the other side of your face broken. I know you are under some delusion that MS is all of a sudden a nice company (although you have not shown any evidence for this) but I think it would be best to be cautious at this point. MS is out to kill open source, for some of us this means they are threatening our livelyhood. If we don't fight back our livelyhoods are in danger.
I didn't say you are. I said you are a republitard. In fact I said you were a freeper republitard which is the worst kind of republitard known to mankind.
There is no disecranble difference between setting up concentration camps all over the world to torture people and giving people social security. They are both flavors of the same of the same thing.
It's so funny watching republitards speak. You should set up a web site, I bet your fellow freepers will give you a million hits and you can make lots of money.
"And do you feel it's OK for you to be irresponisble because they are? "
Yes.
"If you don't like them not taking responsibility for their own actions, how about setting a good example by taking responsibility for what you do?"
Why? It's not my job to set a good example for the president, it's the job of the president to set a good example for me.
As I said, I will take personal responsibility AFTER the president, the congress, the judges, the CEOs, and the rest of the successful people do. Until then I will emulate them by shirking personal responsibility any time I can. I want to be rich and powerful too you know.
"I hear you saying, "Don't do what I do, do what I say.""
No, I am saying "look at them, look how rich and powerful they have gotten by shirking personal responsibility. Personal responsibility is for suckers, fools, shmucks and losers".
So you have chosed to follow a facist track then a socialist one. Congratulations.
"I believe that Government should NOT do anything except protect borders, punish evil doers (read: murderers, rapists, burglars, etc.), perhaps build roads, and GET OUT of our private lives at large."
Then why are you voting for republicans?
"The root of the matter is this: personal responsibility is a thing of the past."
I tell ya what. I will take personal responsibility when Bush and Cheney do OK?
I am not worked up over software licensing. I am worked up over the fact that sociopathic fuckwads like are being bred by non caring parents who have abdicated their responsiblity to the rest of society. The fact that somebody like you exists is an insult to all parents everywhere.
I am glad the right wing is getting on board in the fight against DMCA. Organizations like Cato are very big players in the right wing movement and this will certainly have an impact on the republicans who control all branches of the govt and the supreme court.
I remember reading someplace about those weird questions MS asks prosective employees. One of them was something like "how would you move mount fuji". I remember thinking the answer at Microsoft should be.
Spend 500 million in advertising telling people that you have moved mount fuji and they will believe it.
This is the most important fight for MS right now. Take away proprietary file formats and you have taken out two of the legs of the office monopoly stool. If they lose this fight their office monopoply will erode like hell.
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Debian and derivatives come with exim set as the default MTA. I don't understand why redhat and it's derivatives come with sendmail as the default MTA. Postfix can actually be configured by normal people unlike sendmail and it's just as performant and a lot more secure.
Just doesn't make sense. The first thing I do any redhat system is to chuck sendmail and install postfix instead.
"When I bought my copy, I had a child in Kindergarten. A year later, and he still hasn't used Office -- but my wife and I did."
Since you didn't fulfill any of the items in the criterea I don't see why you just didn't find a pirated copy and use that? I mean if you are not going to obey the license they why bother paying 125 in the first place?
"It's a fact, sunshine. Making up words like "republitard" doesn't change that fact."
I make up words like republitard to describe people like you (it's so fitting don't you think?) and you make up facts like socialism and fasicm are the same thing.
To each own I guess.
If godaddy is seen as a linux hostile hosting solution I could see their business suffering.
"Yes, but apparently not enough- we had to return 10 years later."
Bush Sr made a decision to leave saddam in place and put the population under the worst kind of misery he could imagine. The idea was that if the people were miserable they would overthrow him. He miscalculated or he was dumb. Even though he was able to successfully destroy many water treatment plants, electricity facilities, sewage treatment plants, public buildings, hospitals, roads and bridges the people never took up arms. He also started sanctions on the country to try and deny them medicine and food and still didnt' work. Maybe because they were sick and dying by the millions who knows.
Anyway he failed miserably both in planning and execution of his war. He killed millions of people for nothing. His son tried to finish the job for him but this time with occupation in mind.
"Ah, but that wasn't the claim, was it? The claim that 84% of our military believe was the objective was to Get Saddam because he was part of the cause of 9/11. 72% now believe that objective has been accomplished, and 29% believe we're at mission accomplished and should withdraw now."
Americans are docile and easily fooled. I don't think there can be any dispute about that.
"And once again, that's the wrong objective as far as the American people or military are concerned- only a small minority at the top believe that to be our objective."
Those are people that count. The rest of the people have no idea what our objective is and frankly don't care all that much.
"I hope so- but I doubt it. I'm to the point that I simply don't think our Commander In Chief has either the brains or the competance to do it."
He is not the one running things really.
"That's true, but you have to pick your names carefully. Calling open source "communist" is good, as it not only has a grain of truth in it (in that it is indeed a communal effort), it still sets up the right kind of negative imagery in the heads of those you want to affect."
Like I said, we can not afford to do the kind of market research that MS can. What we can safely do is to call MS sleazy, unethical, mean, destructive, cult-like, fascist (the whole grain of truth thing) etc. We can also play around with other words to see what kind of words have impact and stick with the ones that seem to cause a negative reaction to MS. Kind of like doing our own market research.
In the mean time I think it's safe to start every sentence which mentions Ballmer or Gates with the words "liar" or "criminal" those certainly have grains of truths to them don't you think?
"Calling Microsoft "M$" is not good. So it associates Microsoft with money. So what?"
That's an old joke. It has to with the early versions of basic where stings had to be declared with $ after them. For example let name$="microsoft". These days it's useful because it seems to annoy the shills and astro turfers to no end. They go into apoplexy every time they see M$. I see it a useful tool in forums like this where a lot of astro turfers and shills hang out.
"Actually, I've only ever seen "open sores" used by ordinary people, often in response to the same tired old BSOD and M$ comments."
Open sores was in vogue for a while by the so called journalists on the MS pr Payroll. People like enderlee and such. You don't see it so much these days as M$ has decided to use words like communist. The M$ pr dept may or may not go back to it I don't know. It seems like they are moving towards terrorist or anti-american/anti-capitalist these days.
Anyway my point remains the same. Name calling is good. Let's do it all the time. It's been proven to work by M$ itself as well as most corporations and political parties. Let's not pretend to be all high and mighty. The worst kinds of sleaze merchants have declared war on the open source movement, if we just sit here and be nice we will get clobbered.
"Fascism is one franchise of socialism"
I understand that you think that. That's the way republitards are. They believe goofy shit. That's what makes them republitards.
"I realize that Muslims differ on their interpetations of this, but teetoalling doesn't necessarily imply fundamentalism."
If a jew does not go out on the sabbath they are called "orthodox" which to me is no different then "fundamentalist". The same for muslims that don't drink. They are relying on a strict interpretation of an ancient text.
There is nothing wrong with bush. He is perfect. Move along now, these are not the fascist you are looking for. The right wind talk show hosts are actually fuzzy teddy bears. They didn't mean it when they called you a america hater or a feminazi and compared your concern for the environment to the extermination of 6 million jews.
Move along now, nothing to see here. Go wait in your room until the brownshirts come to round you up.
1) There is no way a republican congress is going to impeach a republican president. If this was possible they would have done it by now. The president has committed a felony by ordering domestic wiretapping without judicial oversight.
2) The court has been stacked so as to rubber stamp the president's will.
"If this were true, the Iraq war would have been over VERY quickly- in about the time it would have taken to retarget an ICBM, launch it, have it travel halfway across the world and the 12 cobalt warheads disperse around Iraq."
We destroyed a lot of the Iraqi infrastructure the first time we went on a rampage there. This of course caused widespread dysentery and disease because people no longer had access to clean water and sewage facilities. We of course didn't care because we had no intention of taking over the place after that war.
This time around the goal was to occupy the country so we refrained from doing things like launching ICBMs and massive arial bombardment. It makes no sense to destroy the stuff you want to take over.
"If the key was simply to kill the target, that would have been the easiest way to get Hussien. It would also be the easiest way to get bin Laden, if you didn't mind the Tora Bora Mountains and most of Northern Pakistan/Afghanistan being turned into a radioactive glass crater."
Once again the goal is not to kill Osama. Osama is a very handy tool to keep the US public scared and docile. The goal is to build a pipeline from the oil rich caspian region to the warm water ports in the middle east. You can't do that if you have turned the country into a wasteland. You will need those afghans to toil for you. You need their labor.
"We know within the 100 mile fireball of a cobalt warhead where these people are."
I do believe that we know EXACTLY where osama is. He is most likely under US custody in a prison somewhere in europe or the middle east. He will be brought out before the next election to assure a republican victory.
"This doesn't change the fact that fascism is also socialism."
To a republitard. To a rational sane person they are different.
How does that saying go? If you think you are crazy then you are not or something like that. To a crazy person they seem normal, the voices in their head seem real.
A republitard is the same way. To a republitard there is no difference between facism and socialism. A republitard wonders why they chose different words to describe the same thing in the first place!.
". The suicide bomber intends to kill civilians. The US intends to kill a military target."
Not quite right. Here is how it is.
The suicide bomber intends to kill civillians because he lacks weaponry to attack military targets.
The US does not care if it kills civillians and is willing to kill as many as it takes if it MIGHT result in the death of target.
Of course the US is also willing to round up human beings all over the world and then ship them off to be tortured but that's another topic.
"It's also true that these "civilians" that are killed aren't all that innocent. "
This I agree with you a little bit. In a democracy all people are somewhat responsible for the actions of their govt. All those israelis are somewhat complicit in their governments continued state of apartheid and opression of 3.5 million people.
"Congratulations, they call you a communist and you call them fascists. Let's all call names then, shall we? You'll probably find some names for me also. Where does that get us?"
Make no mistake. Calling names is one of the most effective ways to push your agenda forward while crippling your enemy. All corporations know this, microsoft more then most. Do you really think those communist, cancer and open sores comments were off the cuff? There was much consultation with PR firms, speech writers, and internal marketing departments before those words were chosen. They were chosen because market research showed that they would have the desired impact.
Politicians too know about the effectiveness of name calling. That's why words like socialist, communist, anti-american get throws around so easily.
I know the open source movement can't afford the same kinds of market research that MS of a political party can but we can learn from their research and we can certainly start throwing out words and see which ones stick.
Name calling is a great tool and certainly effective. If your enemy is using it and you are not then you will lose.
"I don't know what they did to you or what happened to you in a previous life but please get over it."
No thanks. Turning other cheek often results in getting the other side of your face broken. I know you are under some delusion that MS is all of a sudden a nice company (although you have not shown any evidence for this) but I think it would be best to be cautious at this point. MS is out to kill open source, for some of us this means they are threatening our livelyhood. If we don't fight back our livelyhoods are in danger.
Only to fundamentalists. There is plenty of beer, wine and other alcoholic beverages served in countries like turkey for example.
I will try to help you out.
A republican is a person who votes bor Bush because he thinks that if gays get married his marriage will be under threat.
A republitard thinks that there is no discernable difference between Italy under moussalini (a fascist state) and todays Findland (a socialist state).
There I hope I have cleared that up for you. Now go back to your freeper friends and discuss how Hitlery is a manifastation of satan.
"Guess again, sunshine. I'm no republican."
I didn't say you are. I said you are a republitard. In fact I said you were a freeper republitard which is the worst kind of republitard known to mankind.
Look all you have to say is "Japan can sustain it's present population sustainably" and prove it then I will be wrong. Until then I will be right.
Sorry.
World according to a republitard.
There is no disecranble difference between setting up concentration camps all over the world to torture people and giving people social security. They are both flavors of the same of the same thing.
It's so funny watching republitards speak. You should set up a web site, I bet your fellow freepers will give you a million hits and you can make lots of money.
"And do you feel it's OK for you to be irresponisble because they are? "
Yes.
"If you don't like them not taking responsibility for their own actions, how about setting a good example by taking responsibility for what you do?"
Why? It's not my job to set a good example for the president, it's the job of the president to set a good example for me.
As I said, I will take personal responsibility AFTER the president, the congress, the judges, the CEOs, and the rest of the successful people do. Until then I will emulate them by shirking personal responsibility any time I can. I want to be rich and powerful too you know.
"I hear you saying, "Don't do what I do, do what I say.""
No, I am saying "look at them, look how rich and powerful they have gotten by shirking personal responsibility. Personal responsibility is for suckers, fools, shmucks and losers".
I have never met a liberterian that didn't vote for a republican in every election.
Liberterians are republicans who are too ashamed to say so.
So you have chosed to follow a facist track then a socialist one. Congratulations.
"I believe that Government should NOT do anything except protect borders, punish evil doers (read: murderers, rapists, burglars, etc.), perhaps build roads, and GET OUT of our private lives at large."
Then why are you voting for republicans?
"The root of the matter is this: personal responsibility is a thing of the past."
I tell ya what. I will take personal responsibility when Bush and Cheney do OK?
I am not worked up over software licensing. I am worked up over the fact that sociopathic fuckwads like are being bred by non caring parents who have abdicated their responsiblity to the rest of society. The fact that somebody like you exists is an insult to all parents everywhere.
I am glad the right wing is getting on board in the fight against DMCA. Organizations like Cato are very big players in the right wing movement and this will certainly have an impact on the republicans who control all branches of the govt and the supreme court.
I remember reading someplace about those weird questions MS asks prosective employees. One of them was something like "how would you move mount fuji". I remember thinking the answer at Microsoft should be.
Spend 500 million in advertising telling people that you have moved mount fuji and they will believe it.
This is the most important fight for MS right now. Take away proprietary file formats and you have taken out two of the legs of the office monopoly stool. If they lose this fight their office monopoply will erode like hell.