The MC6809E CPUs also make good washing machine controllers, alledgedly.
Not the 6809 so much as the 6805 and some of it's derivatives in the 6808 family. There are scads of them all over the place in appliances and automobiles.
I want a 68K based Sun box but haven't chased one down yet.
I have a Macintosh SE/30 running NetBSD. It has a 2 gig hard drive in it and 32 megs of RAM. Since I hardly ever go over and touch the actual machine it classifies as a server. A slow file server, in fact.
And you reveal your age with a 'haven't ever used a floppy' comment. Shit. I worked in a lab at one point where the machines with the 8" floppy drives were the 'new up and coming thing.'
Well, cripes. If you're gonna be that way about it, then the dominant processor in the marketplace is probably a Hitachi 4 or 8-bit processor, or maybe a Motorola 68HC05, 08, or 12 part. Maybe even the lowly PIC.
After all, there are 'multipler effects' that completely null out Intel, AMD, and PPC chips, i.e. every computer that has an Intel/AMD/PPC processor as it's main cpu has a scad of the little chips in it. With every keyboard and every mouse having a processor of some time, it's easy to demonstrate that the 'main desktop' processors are by definition in the minority.
Motorola saw the 'desktop wars' for PC-oriented processors as a money-sinking disaster and bailed out of PPC awhile ago. I'm personally glad they did so, because their core competence is in embedded chips. I would have hated to see their relationship with Apple pulling the whole Motorola processor operation down.
A floppy is the data transfer medium that gets used on many computers that do real work. You know, like the machines in the test lab where I'm working now. It's a big messy, noisy place and it'd be impossible to reliably network all those data acq. computers on rolling carts in the middle of all that noisy (acoustic and electrical) equipment.
Probably not something you have in the laptop you flaunt at the coffee house, of course.
Slashdot is indeed a technical forum. It used to be called 'chips and dips' if I'm not mistaken.
However, a technical forum can mean discussing wire wrap sockets and the distinction between schottky, low-power schottky, and regular TTL gates. PIC versus 'HC11 flame wars. It doesn't have to involve software buzzwords and computer language wars.
And anyways, we were talking, I think, about wether and how capitalism works.
I am still happy with my Powerbook 165c. But, then, I have many computers to admire for various purposes. For overall performance/appearance/usability my TRS-80 Model 100 wins in a number of ways.
Apple has a better implementation by an order of magnitude.
Yeah. Checkout a fresh copy of MacOS 9.1 sometime. (I have great Apple hardware orphaned to that OS version).
Then, when you want to get some work done, move over to the keyboard/display of your Windows 2000 box. Not as pretty, just like a Ford F150 truck isn't as pretty as the bosses' secretary's little Fiero.
One of the cool things about electronics from that era is that almost all the components are generic and can be easily repaired with common parts. You seldom, if ever, have to 'gut' one chassis for parts for another. Hell, even if a transformer burns open you can tear it down and rewind it.
I once owned a 1949 Crosley television, which is getting back far enough that it had a lot of hard to replace parts. (TV circuit design was still rather baroque and new back then) But electronics from about 1960 should work and be easily repairable indefinitely into the future.
There are even hobbyists blowing their own vacuum tubes these days.
A photographer friend of mine once told me a story of a drunken party in the 1950's where they all sat around smashing glass photographic negatives of Native Americans from the 19th century.
Apparently a good time was had by all participants.
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The MC6809E CPUs also make good washing machine controllers, alledgedly.
Not the 6809 so much as the 6805 and some of it's derivatives in the 6808 family. There are scads of them all over the place in appliances and automobiles.
I want a 68K based Sun box but haven't chased one down yet.
I have a Macintosh SE/30 running NetBSD. It has a 2 gig hard drive in it and 32 megs of RAM. Since I hardly ever go over and touch the actual machine it classifies as a server. A slow file server, in fact.
Running X11 on it is sorta a trip.
Lots of people work in labs.
Yours doesn't use floppies. So what?
And you reveal your age with a 'haven't ever used a floppy' comment. Shit. I worked in a lab at one point where the machines with the 8" floppy drives were the 'new up and coming thing.'
Goddamn kids these days...
Well, cripes. If you're gonna be that way about it, then the dominant processor in the marketplace is probably a Hitachi 4 or 8-bit processor, or maybe a Motorola 68HC05, 08, or 12 part. Maybe even the lowly PIC.
After all, there are 'multipler effects' that completely null out Intel, AMD, and PPC chips, i.e. every computer that has an Intel/AMD/PPC processor as it's main cpu has a scad of the little chips in it. With every keyboard and every mouse having a processor of some time, it's easy to demonstrate that the 'main desktop' processors are by definition in the minority.
Motorola saw the 'desktop wars' for PC-oriented processors as a money-sinking disaster and bailed out of PPC awhile ago. I'm personally glad they did so, because their core competence is in embedded chips. I would have hated to see their relationship with Apple pulling the whole Motorola processor operation down.
Depends on what your idea of a GUI desktop is.
Remember, in the old days a multiuser UNIX system was a PDP-11 with 16K of RAM and maybe a slow tape drive for storage.
An old 386sx laptop can be a hell of a workstation if you know how to productively use the old software power tools.
A floppy is the data transfer medium that gets used on many computers that do real work. You know, like the machines in the test lab where I'm working now. It's a big messy, noisy place and it'd be impossible to reliably network all those data acq. computers on rolling carts in the middle of all that noisy (acoustic and electrical) equipment.
Probably not something you have in the laptop you flaunt at the coffee house, of course.
Ah, so you're just a clueless young pratt fresh out of High School.
I was an Idiot (a different flavor, though) at that age, too.
We'll just hope you grow out of it.
Heck, you're not even a very intelligent troll.
Wallowing in your conceit isn't that impressive, dude.
And shouldn't you be at your MENSA tea party right now??
My oh my.
I hope you never get a flat tire. You'll be bored to death by the nice 'ordinary' guy who helps fix it.
Naw, you'd probably nail him with your stun gun while waiting for the truck you ordered on your cellphone to arrive.
...Linux On A Floppy. It has for a long time. Almost certainly longer than this upstart project has been using the acronym.
Slashdot is indeed a technical forum. It used to be called 'chips and dips' if I'm not mistaken.
However, a technical forum can mean discussing wire wrap sockets and the distinction between schottky, low-power schottky, and regular TTL gates. PIC versus 'HC11 flame wars. It doesn't have to involve software buzzwords and computer language wars.
And anyways, we were talking, I think, about wether and how capitalism works.
But okay, geek out if that's more fun.
Nope. They're not grounded. 1920's knob and tube wiring. I need to pull a lot of romex. It is tempting to just replace the outlets but that's nuts.
I just selected 'light' in my preferences and all the garbage went away.
Let me guess. You drink the provided kool-aide beforehand. . .
I am still happy with my Powerbook 165c. But, then, I have many computers to admire for various purposes. For overall performance/appearance/usability my TRS-80 Model 100 wins in a number of ways.
Apple has a better implementation by an order of magnitude.
Yeah. Checkout a fresh copy of MacOS 9.1 sometime. (I have great Apple hardware orphaned to that OS version).
Then, when you want to get some work done, move over to the keyboard/display of your Windows 2000 box. Not as pretty, just like a Ford F150 truck isn't as pretty as the bosses' secretary's little Fiero.
You're, uh, putting your iMac on a pedestal.
Don't forget that the first iMac model was a hideous blob box that looked like a bad copy of a Lear-Siegler ADM3a.
Apple can bribe somebody into stucking one of the 'makeup mirror' models into the Smithsonian, I guess. They'll throw it out eventually.
Quaint? Quaint??
Wanna come up with a few thousand bucks, so my whole house isn't filled with those 3-2 adapters?? The crawlspace sucks.
Schools don't use blackboards any more??
Actually, the orange 3 to 2 pin adapter is totally wrong.
True hackers yank out the third ground pin on power cords with a universal plier.
-Living well, with two wire outlets in every room of this house built in 1900-
Wow. I didn't know there were American Librarian Association fact-checkers anonymously trolling Slashdot.
One of the cool things about electronics from that era is that almost all the components are generic and can be easily repaired with common parts. You seldom, if ever, have to 'gut' one chassis for parts for another. Hell, even if a transformer burns open you can tear it down and rewind it.
I once owned a 1949 Crosley television, which is getting back far enough that it had a lot of hard to replace parts. (TV circuit design was still rather baroque and new back then) But electronics from about 1960 should work and be easily repairable indefinitely into the future.
There are even hobbyists blowing their own vacuum tubes these days.
The Predictas are respected for their industrial design, not their electronics.
Wow. Now we know who the Apple Developers are copying.
That's true. Property rights and all that.
A photographer friend of mine once told me a story of a drunken party in the 1950's where they all sat around smashing glass photographic negatives of Native Americans from the 19th century.
Apparently a good time was had by all participants.
Sometimes it sucks, but history is owned.
If it has an analog output to send the signal to an ordinary legacy TV set, it won't be DRM compliant.
Yep. It's a paradox, and the kind that will hold things back. Thank goodness.