All we have to do is find a list of spammers - and spam the FTC with 10,000 emails and we can clean up the mail.
As far as Jail goes, I dont want them to go to Jail. You know how much it costs to keep someone in Jail? Im guessing here but from documentaries and stuff its like a middle income yearly salary ($50,000+).
Id rather give them a huge fine (garnish wages), or an order they cant work in the internet business. Or deport them if they not a citizen.
Also wish they would enact laws about those PoPups, and spyware (i think they are doing something about this).
According to my experience seaching for a job these past few months, employers are looking for extreme specific requirements that can never be filled by anyone.
Example -------
Few years ago:
Client/Server developer - 1+ years powerbuilder
Now:
5 years J2EE programming , 3 years of IBM Websphere version 4.5,Tomcat 4. You must also have 4 years of SQL, and 3 years of Oracle on Linux but most also have 3 years of Windows 2000 experience. Over-time expected, you must be able to work in a fast and stressfull environment, and carry a pager for 24X7 support. NOTE: 2+ years of.NET is a bonus !!!
Job requirements are longer then my friggen resume. Ive been outta work for about 5 months, but I belive its due to lack of networking, or my resume really sucks http://www.futureway.com/~bdempsey
Most certifications are quite useless. Giving you a 15 min test on a whole environment that takes years to master is not exactly accurate.
The only cert I was looking into was the Oracle (OCP) mainly because I'm interested in DB dev/management and seems a lot of job postings require it. Plus I would like to take the actual courses related to it. Unfortunately, it costs like +$10,000 to take all the courses (no wonder companies dont train any more).
Im one of those guys thats spread out:
- 1 year building IVR systems - 5 Years building/administering a small companies IT infrastructure - 3 to 4 years software development VB,Powerbuilder, J2EE (hmm i could actually put 20 years since i was programming since I was 15 on my Commodore 64 hehe)
So now, all the job postings I see are "senior" requirements with 5+ years in a given area. So I basicallly feel I screwed myself.
And I agree with somone elses commment about posting resumes electroniclly is useless. Ive been to a lot of companies now that have "meta-information" in addition to your resume, and the system filters you out based on this given information.
I think the understanding of technology "gap" has gotten too huge between techies, recruiters, management. They dont know what they are looking for, or how to ask for it.
First post on slashdot wuwu.
I'm an unemployed software developer / administrator in Canada.
I have a few responses to things in many threads on this subject.
#1) Outsourced IT workers living in another country
I dont believe they are sweat shops, and do believe they get paid almost the equivilent of North American developers in respect to cost of living. What I'm tired of hearing is the opinion "dont you think IT workers in India deserve a job". I think everyone in every country should live well, but I'm not going to give my career up for someone else in some other Country - I care for ME and only ME.
#2) Outsourcing to reduce costs benefits us.
BS. Any gain made by reducing these costs only goes to shareholders and CEO's. Do you think I'm happy for top management to make an extra $50,000 bonus while I'm outta work?
#3) Find another Career
Easier said then done. White collar workers generally have a skill-set thats been developed over years. You cant simply switch to something else overnight. Someone in blue collar industry mainly services, can more easily find a job because they dont require immediate skills (as long as the market has jobs).
Have you SEEN the requirements for IT positions these days? They want 4 years Java, 3 years.NET, 6 years unix, 5 years windows, 10 years for a product thats been alive for 2 years, want you to hold a pager for 24X7 support, and "willing to work in a stressfull and demanding environment", putting in 60+ hours / week.
Anyone with any knowledge in IT, specifically software development knows that someone who develops quality work will know either Java, or.NET (as an example of common development requirements), and not BOTH. Also, I find it near immpossible to be coding a project, and doing "Project management", "Support" at the same time, these are completely different skill-sets.
#4) There should be tariffs for knowledge work.
As an example, to me theres no difference when the US tariffs Canadian lumber (its cheaper i think). You could comment on this stating "why dont they do the same for texttiles etc". Well, I dont know, this type of politics is not somethign I look into every day, but now that it hit me personally, I do have an interest in what effects me.
#4) Offtopic - job search in the IT industry
Anyone else find job searching almost useless, and networking your way into a job the only way?
We seemed to have moved to "electronic" recruiting using workopolis etc as the main way, and now that the market is saturated with unemployed IT workers, any position offered are flooed with 1014340101 resumes.
At this point, I have no idea what to do.
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Sure, why not. Iraq is probably safer then any large American city.
I bet that at the end of this year (or end of last year) there were more murders in a few US cities than any deaths due to the war/terrorists.
Nice !!
All we have to do is find a list of spammers - and spam the FTC with 10,000 emails and we can clean up the mail.
As far as Jail goes, I dont want them to go to Jail. You know how much it costs to keep someone in Jail? Im guessing here but from documentaries and stuff its like a middle income yearly salary ($50,000+).
Id rather give them a huge fine (garnish wages), or an order they cant work in the internet business. Or deport them if they not a citizen.
Also wish they would enact laws about those PoPups, and spyware (i think they are doing something about this).
According to my experience seaching for a job these past few months, employers are looking for extreme specific requirements that can never be filled by anyone.
.NET is a bonus !!!
Example
-------
Few years ago:
Client/Server developer - 1+ years powerbuilder
Now:
5 years J2EE programming , 3 years of IBM Websphere version 4.5,Tomcat 4. You must also have 4 years of SQL, and 3 years of Oracle on Linux but most also have 3 years of Windows 2000 experience. Over-time expected, you must be able to work in a fast and stressfull environment, and carry a pager for 24X7 support. NOTE: 2+ years of
Job requirements are longer then my friggen resume. Ive been outta work for about 5 months, but I belive its due to lack of networking, or my resume really sucks http://www.futureway.com/~bdempsey
Most certifications are quite useless. Giving you a 15 min test on a whole environment that takes years to master is not exactly accurate.
The only cert I was looking into was the Oracle (OCP) mainly because I'm interested in DB dev/management and seems a lot of job postings require it. Plus I would like to take the actual courses related to it. Unfortunately, it costs like +$10,000 to take all the courses (no wonder companies dont train any more).
Im one of those guys thats spread out:
- 1 year building IVR systems
- 5 Years building/administering a small companies IT infrastructure
- 3 to 4 years software development VB,Powerbuilder, J2EE (hmm i could actually put 20 years since i was programming since I was 15 on my Commodore 64 hehe)
So now, all the job postings I see are "senior" requirements with 5+ years in a given area. So I basicallly feel I screwed myself.
And I agree with somone elses commment about posting resumes electroniclly is useless. Ive been to a lot of companies now that have "meta-information" in addition to your resume, and the system filters you out based on this given information.
I think the understanding of technology "gap" has gotten too huge between techies, recruiters, management. They dont know what they are looking for, or how to ask for it.
OMG, what happened my carriage returns, arg !!!
First post on slashdot wuwu. I'm an unemployed software developer / administrator in Canada. I have a few responses to things in many threads on this subject. #1) Outsourced IT workers living in another country I dont believe they are sweat shops, and do believe they get paid almost the equivilent of North American developers in respect to cost of living. What I'm tired of hearing is the opinion "dont you think IT workers in India deserve a job". I think everyone in every country should live well, but I'm not going to give my career up for someone else in some other Country - I care for ME and only ME. #2) Outsourcing to reduce costs benefits us. BS. Any gain made by reducing these costs only goes to shareholders and CEO's. Do you think I'm happy for top management to make an extra $50,000 bonus while I'm outta work? #3) Find another Career Easier said then done. White collar workers generally have a skill-set thats been developed over years. You cant simply switch to something else overnight. Someone in blue collar industry mainly services, can more easily find a job because they dont require immediate skills (as long as the market has jobs). Have you SEEN the requirements for IT positions these days? They want 4 years Java, 3 years .NET, 6 years unix, 5 years windows, 10 years for a product thats been alive for 2 years, want you to hold a pager for 24X7 support, and "willing to work in a stressfull and demanding environment", putting in 60+ hours / week.
Anyone with any knowledge in IT, specifically software development knows that someone who develops quality work will know either Java, or .NET (as an example of common development requirements), and not BOTH. Also, I find it near immpossible to be coding a project, and doing "Project management", "Support" at the same time, these are completely different skill-sets.
#4) There should be tariffs for knowledge work.
As an example, to me theres no difference when the US tariffs Canadian lumber (its cheaper i think). You could comment on this stating "why dont they do the same for texttiles etc". Well, I dont know, this type of politics is not somethign I look into every day, but now that it hit me personally, I do have an interest in what effects me.
#4) Offtopic - job search in the IT industry
Anyone else find job searching almost useless, and networking your way into a job the only way?
We seemed to have moved to "electronic" recruiting using workopolis etc as the main way, and now that the market is saturated with unemployed IT workers, any position offered are flooed with 1014340101 resumes.
At this point, I have no idea what to do.