I think that evolution should also be kept out, because it is also metaphysical and non-scientific (neither testable nor observable).
It's been tested. It's been observed. You're either in denial or ignorent.
You see, there is every bit the agenda on the part of evolutionists to take God out of society. I don't want to put God into society, just to let people decide for themselves.
I disagree. I think you do want to put God into society, and you have an agenda to force people to accept that God exists. To prove my theory, I will simple ask you that were you to have children, or if you already have had children, will you/have you instructed them religiously? If the answer is yes then you are a prosyletist.
The point is to stop teaching evolution as a fact, and not to teach complex theories to children who don't know what to do with them.
People around the world try and teach children the mysteries of transubstatiation, or ressurection, or eternity or some other such rubbish. These are, at the best of times, highly advanced intellectual concepts. Children should not be taught these complex theories as they don't know what to do with them. Plus, they aren't even fact, unlike evolution.
The attempts by many Christians to teach ID and creation are not intended to shun science or make second-class citizens out of atheists; it's just a reaction to what many view as being an untruthful, specifically anti-Christian approach.
Yes they are. And atheists are second class citizens. Unlike their religious "peers", their views and practices, no matter how outrageous, are not constitutionally protected. The Christain approach is the untruthful one. The religion is filled with lies, contridictions, falsehoods, evils and hate; yet to proslyetise and indoctrinate it is legally protected.
The truth is, you've been brainwashed by the village shamen or nearest cultural equivilant. Try not to subject your children to the same treatment. You only get so many of them.
To be honest, this is where my attitude now stands as well.
Modern filters are now quite good, with well over a 97% sucess rate, and rarely hit false positives for me. The occassional house cleaning required is in my opinion worth the saving in extraordinary measures.
Seriously though, couldn't Taco just make this guy an editor or something, because he first posts waaayy too much. I think his energies would be better spent on proof reading article summaries rather than hovering over a constantly refreshing main-page.
OK, this might get modded down, but I feel I have to say this.
It's really not a great idea to post these evolution debate storys. This story will generate a huge amount of comments as the creationists try and blast the boards with their nonsense. And I do not hesitate to call it that. Nonsense. Mod points will be burned, flames will fly, karma will be gained and lost again and again in the same comment.
The creationists are essentially trolls, who are given free reign in these sanctioned stories to start flame wars. I have no doubt that many creantionist comments simply are trolls, looking to start a nice hot flame war. They succeed every time.
It's all a waste. Slashdot is news for nerds. This is really a US centric debate, and quite a lot of the slashdot readership is simply not in any way interested in the current US culture war. Many find it completely perplexing, like a story you'd hear about people somewhere worshipping a kid with a tail. This creation thing is not really a science story and is more a (very US centric) culture and politics issue.
OK. I accept that in some cases, these evolution stories are quite relevant in a science context. But only when the evolution/creation "debate" is not itself core and main extent the story. Postings on the NASA PR's censoring of scientists I do want to hear about. That affected scientists, and was only a result of the evolution/creation "debate". Similarly with fuding cuts due to fallout from the issue.
But stories like these, which are not about science, and are simply about another aspect of a culture/political war going on in the US, do not belong in the science section. There's no science here. There isn't even a victory for science. It's just the outcome of one skirmish between religious groups and secular people in the US.
I accept that this may be an important issue for US slashdotters, but please understand that this is a very, very, very US centric story, that really belongs in the Slashdot politics section, not in the science section and certainly not on the main page.
Hopefully this comment might start a good meta discussion that the editors may take notice of. But more than likely it will simply be lost amid the vast torrent of comments, flames and threads surrounding it.
Slashdot just put your email address on their home page. Unscrambled.
This is actually quite serious. I have had one story posted on Slashdot, and because I didn't have a homepage, the editors put in my unscrambled email address. The story was copied and pasted verbatum by countless sites all over the next.
That address was almost rendered unusable. Only the bayesian span fliters in thunderbird salvaged it. Still, it was pretty irritating to see an address I had been quite careful with destroyed because the Slashdot editors didn't consider carefully what they were doing.
Jobs: Ruby is groovy man. It's got like, vibe. We had to get in on that.
Gates: C# with.NET offers more flexibility with less development worries and higher performance...
Jobs: Man! Talk about Squaresville! Ruby is hip man! It's a love machine. A child of the earth.
Torvalds: Ruby is based on perl, which is in turn based on bash scripting, which I like.
Jobs: You see man! Ruby is a free spirit. It grows in like, the sunshine. It doesn't obey your rules!
Gates: But it's just another paradigm..NET can accomplish all the same....
Jobs: On Rails man! Rails!!! It's like hyperspeed into the cosmos. And that's why its fit for Apple's attention. Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go get some podcasts over rss, browse some blogs, do some yoga. You dig?
My heart bleeds for those gamers who will be unable to express themselves through their portable consoles colour. Seriously guys, the stripes don't make the car go faster.
The aim of the game is not to compete. it is to put the competition out of business so that you gain a monopoly. This is standard practice in industries with high entry costs. Killer is an appropriate term.
Think of the Children!!! Think of my poor child!!!
At the tender age of 15, my child was brutally and without warning assailed by Janet Jackson's breast during the superbowl. This callous and unjustified act of forcefull thrusting the wide world of filthy perverted sex upon my innocent offspring forever changed the way I looked at this issue.
My child, while on the internet can be exposed to images of the naked breasts, and even obscene images of female genitalia. This is a shocking and tramatic expierience for any child, and I resent having to deal with the fallout from what some people like to call "excercising their rights". There is no excuse for ludity on the internet. None!
I fully support the governments efforts to protect my child from the shocking plethora of scandel and depravity that exists on the world wide web.
Let be honest, it's mainly not what's in the iPod that makes it sell, it's how it looks.
I'd argue that it's more the surity of the product.
With an iPod, you know exactly what your getting, and are, more or less assurred of the end product. With most other mp3 players, somethign has been reduced, fudged, removed, etc, etc, and you're not too sure if you should get it or not.
I have to say were it not for the lower hard disc space on this Z5 player, I would go for it.
Don't be so uptight. Those were the words of a man who thought nothing of harvesting organs from poor and destitute people in third world countries for his rich buddies. His racism was unsurprising by comparision.
All we had was an onboard pc speaker with three base frequencies and a white noise generator. If we wanted sound we had to program the fourier components ourselves! And we liked it!!
Well with headphones, the entire soundfield rotates with you. It's not natural, and you notice it.
When playing a video game, I move my head, and the games visual field stays completely still. It's not natural and I don't notice it.
The game's sound and visual field are not a real world one. Me moving my head should have no effect on the sound I hear. If it does, I've done something wrong, like waste money on four more speakers.
This makes me think of shavers: they start with 1 blade, go to 2 blades, then 3 blades, advance to 4 blades and...wow...now we have 5 blades! I wonder if someone will think we need 6 blades for some reason...
It's purely superflous, just like 5.1. It doesn't really make a blind bit of difference to all but the most anal of people. The extra blades/speakers are there to stroke your ego, not for quality purposes.
I avoid the hassle by not shaving, trimming with an electric hair cutter, and listening to my movies with a good $20 pair of big muffy headphones. It suits me, and I don't honestly think I'll need anything better.
Saying that you have your 5.1 setup correctly seems to suggest you only have 5.1. Have you actually tried a 7.1 setup? It does make a difference.
I hope you realise that any difference between a 5.1 and a 7.1 surround setup can be thrown by simply sitting in a different position in the room, or buying sound absorbant furniture, or having the cat sit on your lap.
7.1 provides only one thing. A pair of extra speakers. The only difference is in your head!
By using objective c as the primary language, programmers can get a well-designed pure oo language, and still have access to the low-level functionality that C provides for the few occasions when it is needed.
Objective C, to be realistic, is not exactly that far removed form c/c++.
Only one thing is going to deliver low level performance to a high level language, and that's Gods' Own Compiler, complete with cross platform portability, that is mathematically guaranteed to deliver the most, 100%, efficient machine code compliation of your code that can ever be achieved.
As you can imagine, this won't be available on SourceForge anytime soon. Until then, just pay for the danm ease of use with a few more CPU cycles. It'll all be twice as fast in 18 months anyway.
Why can't someone invent a chip for math geeks? With 128-bit hardware doubles? Are we really that tiny a proportion of the world's population?
Yes. I know one of the top men in the field of numerical analysis, where number crunching is a big deal, and as near as I can tell, his programs are written in matlab on a 32 bit windows machine. I could be wrong here, but as far as I can tell the maths department here has no dedicated machines of any kind.
If your numerical code has errors of order h^4 anyway, then what's really the point of going to 128bit machines? You'll lose all the precision amid the noise from the numerical method.
With due respect to the amount of time, effort, man hours, development tools and cold hard cash that goes into making a modern game, they are still way to expensive.
A modern games costs about $60-70, depending on where you are. DVDs right now are around $10. And yes, I will by 6-7 DVDs before I buy a new video game. Why? Because the movies are cheaper, and my risk of purchasing a lousy one is spread out more.
With a modern video game, especially if you're a causual gamer, there's always a risk when you purchase a new game that you'll end up with a flop, or at leats one you don't like. Spend $60 on a game only to find out it was sub par, and you won't be so eager to purchase another so flippantly. That game for me was GunGrave. Nice game, but far, far to short to be $70 worth.
If they want to sell more games, developers and publishers are going to have to abandon this fixed price regieme. To set the price of a game before the first concept art drawings are even created, is an invitation for a sloppy implementation, as there is no incentive whatsoever to put any polish at all on the game. It won't jazz up the price, and you can sell more units with marketing cheaper than you can go about improving the quality of the end product and customer satisfaction.
End result of fixed price games is mediocrity and customer dissatisfation, and hence, less demand for the product. Sell me something $60 that isn't buffed to a replayable shine and I'll have a sour taste in my mouth. I pick up the same title for $20 in a bargin bin and I'm a satisfied customer. Satisfied customers come back for more.
Burnt fingers are hesitant to fork over dough. Will the game industry listen? No. They take their cue from the music industry. Fixed, artificially high prices, despite the ease of reproduction. Well then; witness hesitent, artificially skeptical consumers. Cry me a river.
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I think that evolution should also be kept out, because it is also metaphysical and non-scientific (neither testable nor observable).
It's been tested. It's been observed. You're either in denial or ignorent.
You see, there is every bit the agenda on the part of evolutionists to take God out of society. I don't want to put God into society, just to let people decide for themselves.
I disagree. I think you do want to put God into society, and you have an agenda to force people to accept that God exists. To prove my theory, I will simple ask you that were you to have children, or if you already have had children, will you/have you instructed them religiously? If the answer is yes then you are a prosyletist.
The point is to stop teaching evolution as a fact, and not to teach complex theories to children who don't know what to do with them.
People around the world try and teach children the mysteries of transubstatiation, or ressurection, or eternity or some other such rubbish. These are, at the best of times, highly advanced intellectual concepts. Children should not be taught these complex theories as they don't know what to do with them. Plus, they aren't even fact, unlike evolution.
The attempts by many Christians to teach ID and creation are not intended to shun science or make second-class citizens out of atheists; it's just a reaction to what many view as being an untruthful, specifically anti-Christian approach.
Yes they are. And atheists are second class citizens. Unlike their religious "peers", their views and practices, no matter how outrageous, are not constitutionally protected. The Christain approach is the untruthful one. The religion is filled with lies, contridictions, falsehoods, evils and hate; yet to proslyetise and indoctrinate it is legally protected.
The truth is, you've been brainwashed by the village shamen or nearest cultural equivilant. Try not to subject your children to the same treatment. You only get so many of them.
"religio-political"?
If you garner enough written citations, it becomes a word.
To be honest, this is where my attitude now stands as well.
Modern filters are now quite good, with well over a 97% sucess rate, and rarely hit false positives for me. The occassional house cleaning required is in my opinion worth the saving in extraordinary measures.
Seriously though, couldn't Taco just make this guy an editor or something, because he first posts waaayy too much. I think his energies would be better spent on proof reading article summaries rather than hovering over a constantly refreshing main-page.
OK, this might get modded down, but I feel I have to say this.
It's really not a great idea to post these evolution debate storys. This story will generate a huge amount of comments as the creationists try and blast the boards with their nonsense. And I do not hesitate to call it that. Nonsense. Mod points will be burned, flames will fly, karma will be gained and lost again and again in the same comment.
The creationists are essentially trolls, who are given free reign in these sanctioned stories to start flame wars. I have no doubt that many creantionist comments simply are trolls, looking to start a nice hot flame war. They succeed every time.
It's all a waste. Slashdot is news for nerds. This is really a US centric debate, and quite a lot of the slashdot readership is simply not in any way interested in the current US culture war. Many find it completely perplexing, like a story you'd hear about people somewhere worshipping a kid with a tail. This creation thing is not really a science story and is more a (very US centric) culture and politics issue.
OK. I accept that in some cases, these evolution stories are quite relevant in a science context. But only when the evolution/creation "debate" is not itself core and main extent the story. Postings on the NASA PR's censoring of scientists I do want to hear about. That affected scientists, and was only a result of the evolution/creation "debate". Similarly with fuding cuts due to fallout from the issue.
But stories like these, which are not about science, and are simply about another aspect of a culture/political war going on in the US, do not belong in the science section. There's no science here. There isn't even a victory for science. It's just the outcome of one skirmish between religious groups and secular people in the US.
I accept that this may be an important issue for US slashdotters, but please understand that this is a very, very, very US centric story, that really belongs in the Slashdot politics section, not in the science section and certainly not on the main page.
Hopefully this comment might start a good meta discussion that the editors may take notice of. But more than likely it will simply be lost amid the vast torrent of comments, flames and threads surrounding it.
Negative. The email address I entered was garbled. The editors degarbled it.
Language is something that must evolve through purely natural, voluntary means. It comes only from the bottom up, never from the top down.
Like the difference between perl and java?
Or you could just point your client at the ICANN root servers and let the party go bugger itself.
Slashdot just put your email address on their home page. Unscrambled.
This is actually quite serious. I have had one story posted on Slashdot, and because I didn't have a homepage, the editors put in my unscrambled email address. The story was copied and pasted verbatum by countless sites all over the next.
That address was almost rendered unusable. Only the bayesian span fliters in thunderbird salvaged it. Still, it was pretty irritating to see an address I had been quite careful with destroyed because the Slashdot editors didn't consider carefully what they were doing.
Jobs: Ruby is groovy man. It's got like, vibe. We had to get in on that.
.NET offers more flexibility with less development worries and higher performance...
.NET can accomplish all the same....
.NET does all this! Why won't anyone listen? You believe me right?
Gates: C# with
Jobs: Man! Talk about Squaresville! Ruby is hip man! It's a love machine. A child of the earth.
Torvalds: Ruby is based on perl, which is in turn based on bash scripting, which I like.
Jobs: You see man! Ruby is a free spirit. It grows in like, the sunshine. It doesn't obey your rules!
Gates: But it's just another paradigm.
Jobs: On Rails man! Rails!!! It's like hyperspeed into the cosmos. And that's why its fit for Apple's attention. Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go get some podcasts over rss, browse some blogs, do some yoga. You dig?
***Jobs walk's away clicking fingers rhythmicly***
Gates: But it's all just flash and hype. Nothing really new is going on!
Torvalds: Look man. I really just don't give a shit.
Outside the US? o_0
You space nerds and your silly sci fi shows.
My heart bleeds for those gamers who will be unable to express themselves through their portable consoles colour. Seriously guys, the stripes don't make the car go faster.
The aim of the game is not to compete. it is to put the competition out of business so that you gain a monopoly. This is standard practice in industries with high entry costs. Killer is an appropriate term.
Nothing is impossible with enough perl scripts!
The syntax.... it haunts me....
Think of the Children!!! Think of my poor child!!!
At the tender age of 15, my child was brutally and without warning assailed by Janet Jackson's breast during the superbowl. This callous and unjustified act of forcefull thrusting the wide world of filthy perverted sex upon my innocent offspring forever changed the way I looked at this issue.
My child, while on the internet can be exposed to images of the naked breasts, and even obscene images of female genitalia. This is a shocking and tramatic expierience for any child, and I resent having to deal with the fallout from what some people like to call "excercising their rights". There is no excuse for ludity on the internet. None!
I fully support the governments efforts to protect my child from the shocking plethora of scandel and depravity that exists on the world wide web.
I support this for my child! She deserves better!
Let be honest, it's mainly not what's in the iPod that makes it sell, it's how it looks.
I'd argue that it's more the surity of the product.
With an iPod, you know exactly what your getting, and are, more or less assurred of the end product. With most other mp3 players, somethign has been reduced, fudged, removed, etc, etc, and you're not too sure if you should get it or not.
I have to say were it not for the lower hard disc space on this Z5 player, I would go for it.
He was owned by Apple was he ?
Silly rabbit. With modern capitalism you don't own someone. You just own their thoughts after they leave!
Don't be so uptight. Those were the words of a man who thought nothing of harvesting organs from poor and destitute people in third world countries for his rich buddies. His racism was unsurprising by comparision.
0.1!! You lucky bastard!
All we had was an onboard pc speaker with three base frequencies and a white noise generator. If we wanted sound we had to program the fourier components ourselves! And we liked it!!
Well with headphones, the entire soundfield rotates with you. It's not natural, and you notice it.
When playing a video game, I move my head, and the games visual field stays completely still. It's not natural and I don't notice it.
The game's sound and visual field are not a real world one. Me moving my head should have no effect on the sound I hear. If it does, I've done something wrong, like waste money on four more speakers.
This makes me think of shavers: they start with 1 blade, go to 2 blades, then 3 blades, advance to 4 blades and...wow...now we have 5 blades! I wonder if someone will think we need 6 blades for some reason...
It's purely superflous, just like 5.1. It doesn't really make a blind bit of difference to all but the most anal of people. The extra blades/speakers are there to stroke your ego, not for quality purposes.
I avoid the hassle by not shaving, trimming with an electric hair cutter, and listening to my movies with a good $20 pair of big muffy headphones. It suits me, and I don't honestly think I'll need anything better.
Saying that you have your 5.1 setup correctly seems to suggest you only have 5.1. Have you actually tried a 7.1 setup? It does make a difference.
I hope you realise that any difference between a 5.1 and a 7.1 surround setup can be thrown by simply sitting in a different position in the room, or buying sound absorbant furniture, or having the cat sit on your lap.
7.1 provides only one thing. A pair of extra speakers. The only difference is in your head!
By using objective c as the primary language, programmers can get a well-designed pure oo language, and still have access to the low-level functionality that C provides for the few occasions when it is needed.
Objective C, to be realistic, is not exactly that far removed form c/c++.
Only one thing is going to deliver low level performance to a high level language, and that's Gods' Own Compiler, complete with cross platform portability, that is mathematically guaranteed to deliver the most, 100%, efficient machine code compliation of your code that can ever be achieved.
As you can imagine, this won't be available on SourceForge anytime soon. Until then, just pay for the danm ease of use with a few more CPU cycles. It'll all be twice as fast in 18 months anyway.
Why can't someone invent a chip for math geeks? With 128-bit hardware doubles? Are we really that tiny a proportion of the world's population?
Yes. I know one of the top men in the field of numerical analysis, where number crunching is a big deal, and as near as I can tell, his programs are written in matlab on a 32 bit windows machine. I could be wrong here, but as far as I can tell the maths department here has no dedicated machines of any kind.
If your numerical code has errors of order h^4 anyway, then what's really the point of going to 128bit machines? You'll lose all the precision amid the noise from the numerical method.
With due respect to the amount of time, effort, man hours, development tools and cold hard cash that goes into making a modern game, they are still way to expensive.
A modern games costs about $60-70, depending on where you are. DVDs right now are around $10. And yes, I will by 6-7 DVDs before I buy a new video game. Why? Because the movies are cheaper, and my risk of purchasing a lousy one is spread out more.
With a modern video game, especially if you're a causual gamer, there's always a risk when you purchase a new game that you'll end up with a flop, or at leats one you don't like. Spend $60 on a game only to find out it was sub par, and you won't be so eager to purchase another so flippantly. That game for me was GunGrave. Nice game, but far, far to short to be $70 worth.
If they want to sell more games, developers and publishers are going to have to abandon this fixed price regieme. To set the price of a game before the first concept art drawings are even created, is an invitation for a sloppy implementation, as there is no incentive whatsoever to put any polish at all on the game. It won't jazz up the price, and you can sell more units with marketing cheaper than you can go about improving the quality of the end product and customer satisfaction.
End result of fixed price games is mediocrity and customer dissatisfation, and hence, less demand for the product. Sell me something $60 that isn't buffed to a replayable shine and I'll have a sour taste in my mouth. I pick up the same title for $20 in a bargin bin and I'm a satisfied customer. Satisfied customers come back for more.
Burnt fingers are hesitant to fork over dough. Will the game industry listen? No. They take their cue from the music industry. Fixed, artificially high prices, despite the ease of reproduction. Well then; witness hesitent, artificially skeptical consumers. Cry me a river.