Actually, there are forms you have to fill out to get your stuff back. Without requesting its return, they will quite literally hang onto it forever or until they toss it.
We're dealing with someone who wants to prove himself in a geekier than thou penis waving contest. I doubt at least 90% of his claims so far, largely because experience has shown me otherwise. The half a dozen kids thing put him way over the top.
Agreed. Like I said, he may learn after he has a bit of experience.
Thankfully, I learned that lesson pretty early. I saw what being so wrapped up in your work that you ignore your family and friends does when I was a kid. There will always be other projects. Time with friends and family is another story.
Granted, I was pushing myself 70+ hours a week in college, but that was because I was paying my own way through.
I'm not burned out at all. In fact, I enjoy writing code. However, I realize that there a is lot of stuff in life that is a great deal more important than working on whatever I happen to be writing.
I work to live. I do what I do well, but at the end of the day, when I leave that building, I forget about work and get on with my life.
Let me let you in on a little secret. Even the best people eventually realize that there's more to life than working no matter how "cool" you think what they're working on is. They look at their lives and realize that living to work is a bad idea because life is for actually living.
For a lot of people, that happens about the time they have their first kid. For others, it happens sooner. Yet others experience it later, to the detriment of their families if they have them.
I also have to tell you that it's not uncommon for a good independant contractor to be paid more than $130/hour because most consulting companies bill out their contractors at that much or more. Honestly speaking, my top hourly rate thus far has been more than $130/hr.
You may learn that your ideal of the "great hacker" is rather off the mark some day. The truth is that the really good people often don't care about how great others think they are. They get things done, and move on with what they have to do.
Depends on the VB project. A lot of places that actually want it done in VB just don't have someone around who codes and want something worked on. Unless it's a rat's nest, it's usually not so bad, and at $130/hour, I'm sure you could cope.
Besides, the person I initially replied to was of the opinion that nobody who could do the sort of work that openMosix requires would deign to "dumb himself down" (figuratively speaking) to writing c#/.net code even if it was netting the guy $130/hr. Personally, I call BS. After a while, you learn that you work to live instead of living to work.
A large program is difficult to get up to speed on, comments or no comments. Good comments certainly make it a lot easier, but it's still no small task. It takes a long time to get familiar with large systems to the point that you don't have to spend 90% of your time trying to find the place that you're looking for.
someone else will pick it up. Isn't that kind of the point of open source?
It's a nice theory, but it doesn't really work out that way. If the lead devs leave a large project, the task of other people getting up to speed can be huge to impossible. It takes a long time to learn a system, especially if you're just doing it as a hobby.
Brain drain is a problem in any project, open or closed.
I see that you managed to use the word moderate and pro-death penalty in the same sentence. Killing someone is not an act of a moderate person. Perhaps you should attend an execution. I bet is not very pretty to watch.
I disagree. Execution may not bring back the victims of the criminal, but it certainly does prevent that person from performing those acts again. It also acts as a deterrent to others who might do the same. That is an act a moderate would approve of.
As for watching an execution, I've seen people and animals die both peacefully and violently. Doesn't really change my viewpoint on the matter, though I can't speak for the grandparent.
Meanwhile, a constitutional ban on same-sex marriage fell apart in the state senate this April, getting far more opposition than a similar ban did in Ohio (a flip state). I almost threw a party in celebration.
I'm in Ohio now. The town I'm in had an article in the paper the other day about a photo art exhibit on non-traditional families with gay parents at the local gallery. You should see some of the comments on the web-board...
Okay, how can I put this so that you might actually get it through your head?
When you make a copy of someone's software, you're not making something that looks like their software or has the functionality of their software like you would be doing in the case of building a computer or building your own car. You're making a copy of THEIR software. THEIR software that cost THEM *TIME AND MONEY* to create.
If THEY want to allow people to copy it, that's one thing. However, *you* making a copy of THEIR stuff is another thing altogether.
If you want something that looks or behaves like what they made without paying them for it, code it your own bloody self.
People need to stop being so polite with regards to that. It's basically a form of apologizing for him.
We're talking about a man who honestly believes that the software itself has the right to be free. Not that the developers have the right to release open software, that the *software* has the right to be free. That's like saying that the milk in the store has the right to be free.
I support open source software, however, I do not support Free software, OR Stallman. Zealots leave me with a bad taste in my mouth.
He doesn't care just as long as he gets his "free" car. After all, it would only cost him for the materials, so why doesn't it just cost for the materials for the person who origionally made it, right?
I brought that point up in the initial reply to him, and he basically ignored it. Most of the people like him do.
A copy of software is worth no more than the media it is written on, the box it is packed in, and the paper the EULA is printed on. If there is no media (i.e., you download it), any sale is pure profit.
I guess all those costs like developer salaries, computers, etc that are incured while writing software don't exist then? There's a hell of a lot more to the cost of a piece of software than just the CD/DVD that it's shipped on.
I'm honestly waiting for the man to be diagnosed with some form of dementia. It really wouldn't surprise me; especially considering the fact that he seems to be getting worse as time goes on...
And if someone wants to GPLv3 the Kernal.....they can fork it too. right? Or has linus been only pretending to adhear to the GPL?
Wrong. You can fork the project, but you have to use the same license that the copyright holder released it under. In this case, all of the copyright holders released the material under the GPL v2 *only* (the only was explicit).
If you wanted to change the license, you'd need to get all of the copyright holders of the software to allow it.
Instead of saying nothing at all on the subject, or just simply stating that the kernel will not be moving to GPLv3, he instead does a ridiculous attack on RMS.
So if you don't agree with something or with the motives of someone, you shouldn't say anything but instead remain silent? Sorry, but I'm going to have to disagree.
The old saying that silence equals conscent comes to mind.
I also agree about learning to quote properly, though in this case, he did use quotation marks. He just didn't put it in itallics as is the normal convention here
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Terrorism is never ok.
It wasn't an act of terrorism. It was an act of rebellion. There's a difference.
Actually, there are forms you have to fill out to get your stuff back. Without requesting its return, they will quite literally hang onto it forever or until they toss it.
We're dealing with someone who wants to prove himself in a geekier than thou penis waving contest. I doubt at least 90% of his claims so far, largely because experience has shown me otherwise. The half a dozen kids thing put him way over the top.
so you can look fancy and distract yourself from the misery of being a .net developer whose life has no meaning.
First, repeat after me - my job is not what gives my life meaning. If you define yourself by your job, then I feel sorry for you.
Second, who says I buy lots of toys? Ever consider that I might be saving or investing a fair chunk of it?
Third, my family is actually quite important to me.
Agreed. Like I said, he may learn after he has a bit of experience.
Thankfully, I learned that lesson pretty early. I saw what being so wrapped up in your work that you ignore your family and friends does when I was a kid. There will always be other projects. Time with friends and family is another story.
Granted, I was pushing myself 70+ hours a week in college, but that was because I was paying my own way through.
I'm not burned out at all. In fact, I enjoy writing code. However, I realize that there a is lot of stuff in life that is a great deal more important than working on whatever I happen to be writing.
I work to live. I do what I do well, but at the end of the day, when I leave that building, I forget about work and get on with my life.
I'm not in the valley. I'm in the midwest, actually.
Let me let you in on a little secret. Even the best people eventually realize that there's more to life than working no matter how "cool" you think what they're working on is. They look at their lives and realize that living to work is a bad idea because life is for actually living.
For a lot of people, that happens about the time they have their first kid. For others, it happens sooner. Yet others experience it later, to the detriment of their families if they have them.
I also have to tell you that it's not uncommon for a good independant contractor to be paid more than $130/hour because most consulting companies bill out their contractors at that much or more. Honestly speaking, my top hourly rate thus far has been more than $130/hr.
You may learn that your ideal of the "great hacker" is rather off the mark some day. The truth is that the really good people often don't care about how great others think they are. They get things done, and move on with what they have to do.
Depends on the VB project. A lot of places that actually want it done in VB just don't have someone around who codes and want something worked on. Unless it's a rat's nest, it's usually not so bad, and at $130/hour, I'm sure you could cope.
Besides, the person I initially replied to was of the opinion that nobody who could do the sort of work that openMosix requires would deign to "dumb himself down" (figuratively speaking) to writing c#/.net code even if it was netting the guy $130/hr. Personally, I call BS. After a while, you learn that you work to live instead of living to work.
A large program is difficult to get up to speed on, comments or no comments. Good comments certainly make it a lot easier, but it's still no small task. It takes a long time to get familiar with large systems to the point that you don't have to spend 90% of your time trying to find the place that you're looking for.
They'd look down on it like a typical C++ developer looks down on HTML or Visual Basic development.
Yes, I'm sure they'd look down on a very well paying job that was far far less stressful.
someone else will pick it up.
Isn't that kind of the point of open source?
It's a nice theory, but it doesn't really work out that way. If the lead devs leave a large project, the task of other people getting up to speed can be huge to impossible. It takes a long time to learn a system, especially if you're just doing it as a hobby.
Brain drain is a problem in any project, open or closed.
And yet the man has refused to speak to groups who refuse to call it GNU/Linux.
The man is trying to take credit for things he didn't do. That annoys the hell out of me.
I see that you managed to use the word moderate and pro-death penalty in the same sentence.
Killing someone is not an act of a moderate person.
Perhaps you should attend an execution. I bet is not very pretty to watch.
I disagree. Execution may not bring back the victims of the criminal, but it certainly does prevent that person from performing those acts again. It also acts as a deterrent to others who might do the same. That is an act a moderate would approve of.
As for watching an execution, I've seen people and animals die both peacefully and violently. Doesn't really change my viewpoint on the matter, though I can't speak for the grandparent.
Killing is sometimes a matter of necessity
Meanwhile, a constitutional ban on same-sex marriage fell apart in the state senate this April, getting far more opposition than a similar ban did in Ohio (a flip state). I almost threw a party in celebration.
I'm in Ohio now. The town I'm in had an article in the paper the other day about a photo art exhibit on non-traditional families with gay parents at the local gallery. You should see some of the comments on the web-board...
It makes me want to beat my head on my desk.
Okay, how can I put this so that you might actually get it through your head?
When you make a copy of someone's software, you're not making something that looks like their software or has the functionality of their software like you would be doing in the case of building a computer or building your own car. You're making a copy of THEIR software. THEIR software that cost THEM *TIME AND MONEY* to create.
If THEY want to allow people to copy it, that's one thing. However, *you* making a copy of THEIR stuff is another thing altogether.
If you want something that looks or behaves like what they made without paying them for it, code it your own bloody self.
People need to stop being so polite with regards to that. It's basically a form of apologizing for him.
We're talking about a man who honestly believes that the software itself has the right to be free. Not that the developers have the right to release open software, that the *software* has the right to be free. That's like saying that the milk in the store has the right to be free.
I support open source software, however, I do not support Free software, OR Stallman. Zealots leave me with a bad taste in my mouth.
He doesn't care just as long as he gets his "free" car. After all, it would only cost him for the materials, so why doesn't it just cost for the materials for the person who origionally made it, right?
I brought that point up in the initial reply to him, and he basically ignored it. Most of the people like him do.
A copy of software is worth no more than the media it is written on, the box it is packed in, and the paper the EULA is printed on. If there is no media (i.e., you download it), any sale is pure profit.
I guess all those costs like developer salaries, computers, etc that are incured while writing software don't exist then? There's a hell of a lot more to the cost of a piece of software than just the CD/DVD that it's shipped on.
Yes. Microsoft has a kernel. Has since windows 95 at least (3.x wasn't an operating system. It was just a shell)
I'm honestly waiting for the man to be diagnosed with some form of dementia. It really wouldn't surprise me; especially considering the fact that he seems to be getting worse as time goes on...
And if someone wants to GPLv3 the Kernal.....they can fork it too. right? Or has linus been only pretending to adhear to the GPL?
Wrong. You can fork the project, but you have to use the same license that the copyright holder released it under. In this case, all of the copyright holders released the material under the GPL v2 *only* (the only was explicit).
If you wanted to change the license, you'd need to get all of the copyright holders of the software to allow it.
Instead of saying nothing at all on the subject, or just simply stating that the kernel will not be moving to GPLv3, he instead does a ridiculous attack on RMS.
So if you don't agree with something or with the motives of someone, you shouldn't say anything but instead remain silent? Sorry, but I'm going to have to disagree.
The old saying that silence equals conscent comes to mind.
Personally speaking, I think that Stallman has been getting worse about it as time goes on.
Apology accepted. It does occasionally happen.
I also agree about learning to quote properly, though in this case, he did use quotation marks. He just didn't put it in itallics as is the normal convention here