What exactly does "getting linux into the bios" mean? Hardware compatability factors? Booting options to do away with lilo, etc? Do we even *use* the PC BIOS after booting? (I thought we did not...)
I wonder which day GOD created these worlds? And did He build a firmament above them as well? I eagerly anticipate the tripe I'll hear about this in the local xtian media.
Well the people who work in these hotels doubtless have wordprocessing, and payroll and so on. It would be easier for me to train people to use CRT or whatever than to train them to use CRT, StarOffice, GnuMeric, and whatever accounting packages that don't even exist yet, they probably want to print, they sure don't want to learn TeX... or even what lpr is...
Okay, so bring it on... What full-charge accounting systems are available for linux? Don't write to me about CBB. QuickBooks and Peachtree probably work fine under VMWare, but that doesn't count.
Point is, there is a whole world of software that hasn't been touched by the free software community, nor even developed *for* the free platforms... Probably because it lacks interest for technologists. We have a surfeit of applications that are useful to technologists (various nerds) (you), but we are talking about the desktop application market... So who's working on accounting, billing, ledger, payroll and ics systems? These are things that really do need to be mature before suits will buy them. I don't think I'd base a real business' inventory or trial balance on beta software. I'm not trying to pull MS vs. AlternativeOS strings here, just realizing out loud that the sort of computerization desired in a business like a hotel might not be provided in the current free software idiom. The accounting software for Windows isn't that good either! (so don't take this comment the wrong way!)
Good story, Bruce, but it did not mention what international law enforcement agencies to contact. I am not going to write to Swatch about it. If they are breaking an international treaty, then Switzerland needs to take action against the perpertators, as do the other countries signed to the treaty, correct?
So do you think all this FUD will stop the Free Software community from ever releasing a complete, working unix-like OS with applications and network infrastructure?
Do you think that the FUD will prevent widespread acceptance of such a system?
We have really needed a system like that for a long time. Maybe someone in Europe (even a student, perhaps?) could work on something like this.
If it were freely distributed with a source license requiring redistribution of modified source, maybe it would catch on despite the efforts of commercial interests to squash it.
Alas, nobody will ever do anything like that so I guess we're stuck with Microsoft and commercial Unix. *sigh*
>What is most frightening is that people will >believe this junk.
Frightening how? Frightening to whom? Afraid of what?
That all this FUD will keep something like Linux or GCC from gaining widespread acceptance? That millions of people will not adopt public software out of fear, or willingness to be controlled?
It isn't news. We already won. The revolution these pundits are hoping to forestall, already happened a few years ago. Unless somebody develops a time machine (one that goes *backwards*) there isn't much to worry about. The free software is out there. Whether the mainstream commercial world can deal with it is irrelevant. Whether linux kills microsoft is totally irrelevant.
They did not stop the public software from being released, and whether or not we use it, and whether or not industry X adopts it, and whether or not there is widespread acceptance of it... Was irrelevant... But guess what?
Perhaps, they are contractually enjoined from releasing source by another party. Where, even if they wanted to, they couldn't?
Besides, if *YOU* have the skill and the time and the talent and the motivation to work on a *compiler* or a C++ library, apply that energy to egcs!!! We already HAVE an opensource project that ought to be enough to keep anybody busy.
He's been saying this for a while. Why doesn't he just put the working code out there in a cvs repository. What's all this "waiting for a preliminary release?"
I'm scratching my head as I walk through this bazaar...
WOW, being compared in the High End Realm!!!
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Wow. We're being evaluated according to high-end criteria! This is *good* news. So we're not doing so well against supercomputers! Hooray!
"imagine" running a 32MB VM on my computer? I'm *doing* it. It's *FINE*. Granted, I have plenty of RAM to work with, but it's getting the job done. The performance is acceptable to me. Not breathtaking, mind you.
>So why are people still using Microsofts >products? Are they stupid? Stubborn?
I use Linux as my primary system at home and at work. I have been involved in Linux for quite some time, and immersed in it since 1.0.9. I have Applixware, StarOffice, and WP8. I use VI as my primary tool. I am an accomplished, vastly talented, and internationally recognized authority on the system. A bearded guru, if you will.
HOWEVER. I use MS WORD and EXCEL from OFFICE 97. Since last Thursday I use them under VMWare, under AfterStep, under XFree86 3.3*, under Linux 2.2.5.
Why do I use it? Because I am too lazy to layout my envelopes, labels, business cards, and sheet music with TeX or whatever. I sincerely wish Word would save postcript (portably), but, oh well. I'll probably keep using it, as I will continue to use Quicken. Especially now that I have a cool geek factor engendered by how well it all runs under VMWare. So it's an expensive, proprietary application layer on top of a free, but not apolitical, os. It works for me. Are there people who would scowl at one for wanting to keep zsh, textutils and find, as well as those?
Why am I this lazy? Because the tools to do the job easily are there, and they happen to be an expensive, proprietary solution, that happens to have been provided for me. Except for political concerns, I can objectively embrace this software. It is excellent software, from a software technologists point of view. There are certainly modes of operation for which Word is unacceptable. An applications development platform is one of them, and that is what leads to situations like Melissa.
In order to keep my sanity, I must separate my political from my professional life. I can merge my artistic life with my professional life, but not politics.
What if we all take the virus (I have a copy if you need one), and intentionally distrubute it, making sure to commit the same crime as Smith. Then, they have to arrest us all.
The human slashdot effect. We can shut down the country. The whole freaking legal system.
I want to say "gunnew" because if you say it "gnu" it sounds like "new" which doesn't really help the cause (the OS is MATURE.) But GUN-NEW sounds STUPID in my dialect of English. I just don't like it for Aesthetic reasons, not political.
Mr. Stallman, do you want FREEDOM, or do you want CONTROL? I don't think you get both in the same word.
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What exactly does "getting linux into the bios"
mean? Hardware compatability factors? Booting
options to do away with lilo, etc? Do we even
*use* the PC BIOS after booting? (I thought we
did not...)
I wonder which day GOD created these worlds?
And did He build a firmament above them as well?
I eagerly anticipate the tripe I'll hear about
this in the local xtian media.
It's ONE.
The function declaration and the return are
not procedure steps... Okay maybe the
return is. So it's two maybe.
Well the people who work in these hotels
doubtless have wordprocessing, and payroll
and so on. It would be easier for me to
train people to use CRT or whatever than
to train them to use CRT, StarOffice, GnuMeric,
and whatever accounting packages that don't
even exist yet, they probably want to print,
they sure don't want to learn TeX... or even
what lpr is...
Okay, so bring it on... What full-charge accounting systems are available for linux?
Don't write to me about CBB. QuickBooks and
Peachtree probably work fine under VMWare, but
that doesn't count.
Point is, there is a whole world of software
that hasn't been touched by the free software
community, nor even developed *for* the free
platforms... Probably because it lacks interest
for technologists. We have a surfeit of
applications that are useful to technologists (various nerds) (you), but we are talking about
the desktop application market... So who's working on accounting, billing, ledger, payroll
and ics systems? These are things that really
do need to be mature before suits will buy them.
I don't think I'd base a real business' inventory
or trial balance on beta software. I'm not trying
to pull MS vs. AlternativeOS strings here, just
realizing out loud that the sort of computerization
desired in a business like a hotel might not be
provided in the current free software idiom.
The accounting software for Windows isn't that good either! (so don't take this comment the wrong way!)
Good story, Bruce, but it did not mention what
international law enforcement agencies to contact.
I am not going to write to Swatch about it. If
they are breaking an international treaty, then
Switzerland needs to take action against the perpertators, as do the other countries signed to
the treaty, correct?
So do you think all this FUD will stop the
Free Software community from ever releasing a
complete, working unix-like OS with applications
and network infrastructure?
Do you think that the FUD will prevent widespread
acceptance of such a system?
We have really needed a system like that for
a long time. Maybe someone in Europe (even a student, perhaps?) could work on something like this.
If it were freely distributed with a source license requiring redistribution of modified
source, maybe it would catch on despite the
efforts of commercial interests to squash it.
Alas, nobody will ever do anything like that so
I guess we're stuck with Microsoft and commercial
Unix. *sigh*
Since when does making a press release to Wired
(and slashdot!) constitute part of a "quiet rollout?"
>Why the hell would I want to play MP3s on a tiny
>(and tinny) little PDA speaker?
Headphone Jack...
I sure hope this benchmark doesn't stop
Linux from coming out and getting popular.
Privately held stock is different.
Next what?
Next to be requested to change something,
or next to brainlessly, spinelessly cave
to the request?
Don't they realize that obeying this insane
order gives credibility to Microsoft?
Man, if the whole community is this soft and
acquiescent, we'll never be able to overcome
any REAL attacks.
>What is most frightening is that people will >believe this junk.
Frightening how? Frightening to whom? Afraid
of what?
That all this FUD will keep something like Linux
or GCC from gaining widespread acceptance? That
millions of people will not adopt public software
out of fear, or willingness to be controlled?
It isn't news. We already won. The revolution
these pundits are hoping to forestall, already
happened a few years ago. Unless somebody
develops a time machine (one that goes *backwards*)
there isn't much to worry about.
The free software is out there. Whether the
mainstream commercial world can deal with it is
irrelevant. Whether linux kills microsoft is
totally irrelevant.
They did not stop the public software from being
released, and whether or not we use it, and whether or not
industry X adopts it, and whether or not there is widespread
acceptance of it...
Was irrelevant... But guess what?
It already HAPPENED.
So what exactly is the "F" in "FUD?"
"District Manager?"
Perhaps the next step should have been to
make the guy "aware". *WE* know. So give them
the information we have...
Rules of retail:
#1. The customer is right.
#2. When the customer is wrong, see #1.
I wish Subway (The sandwich shops) would realize this...
maybe the principal should grab them both by the
collar, and put them both on suspension?
Fighting in the hall is NOT OKAY.
Perhaps, they are contractually enjoined from
releasing source by another party. Where, even
if they wanted to, they couldn't?
Besides, if *YOU* have the skill and the time and
the talent and the motivation to work on a *compiler* or a C++ library, apply that energy to
egcs!!! We already HAVE an opensource project
that ought to be enough to keep anybody busy.
He's been saying this for a while.
Why doesn't he just put the working code out
there in a cvs repository. What's all this
"waiting for a preliminary release?"
I'm scratching my head as I walk through this
bazaar...
Wow. We're being evaluated according to high-end
criteria! This is *good* news. So we're not
doing so well against supercomputers! Hooray!
It sounds like we beat windows a long time ago.
"imagine" running a 32MB VM on my computer?
I'm *doing* it. It's *FINE*. Granted, I have
plenty of RAM to work with, but it's getting the
job done. The performance is acceptable to me.
Not breathtaking, mind you.
>So why are people still using Microsofts >products? Are they stupid? Stubborn?
I use Linux as my primary system at home and at
work. I have been involved in Linux for quite
some time, and immersed in it since 1.0.9.
I have Applixware, StarOffice, and WP8. I use
VI as my primary tool. I am an accomplished,
vastly talented, and internationally recognized
authority on the system. A bearded guru, if you
will.
HOWEVER. I use MS WORD and EXCEL from OFFICE 97.
Since last Thursday I use them under VMWare, under
AfterStep, under XFree86 3.3*, under Linux 2.2.5.
Why do I use it? Because I am too lazy to layout
my envelopes, labels, business cards, and sheet music with TeX or whatever. I sincerely wish
Word would save postcript (portably), but, oh well. I'll probably keep using it, as I will
continue to use Quicken. Especially now that
I have a cool geek factor engendered by how well
it all runs under VMWare. So it's an expensive,
proprietary application layer on top of a free,
but not apolitical, os. It works for me. Are there people who would scowl at one for wanting
to keep zsh, textutils and find, as well as those?
Why am I this lazy? Because the tools to do the
job easily are there, and they happen to be an
expensive, proprietary solution, that happens to
have been provided for me. Except for political
concerns, I can objectively embrace this software.
It is excellent software, from a software technologists point of view. There are certainly
modes of operation for which Word is unacceptable.
An applications development platform is one of them, and that is what leads to situations like
Melissa.
In order to keep my sanity, I must separate my political from my professional life. I can merge
my artistic life with my professional life, but
not politics.
What if we all take the virus (I have a copy if
you need one), and intentionally distrubute it,
making sure to commit the same crime as Smith.
Then, they have to arrest us all.
The human slashdot effect. We can shut down the
country. The whole freaking legal system.
Think of the possibilities!
whoa. that 50K bank deposit would be
interesting evidence, now wouldn't it?
I want to say "gunnew" because if you say it
"gnu" it sounds like "new" which doesn't really
help the cause (the OS is MATURE.) But
GUN-NEW sounds STUPID in my dialect of English.
I just don't like it for Aesthetic reasons, not
political.
Mr. Stallman, do you want FREEDOM, or do you
want CONTROL? I don't think you get both in the same word.
My sparc64 has 60 days 23:27 on 2.2.0.
I'd say "stable".
2.2.5 is working great on my HP Kayak (which
has some pretty bizarre peripherals), so let's
see how it does on the Sparc. Wish me luck!
Do you really think there are people who know
"GNU" means "Free" who don't know "Linux" is "Free" as well?