People that voice disagreement against Ukrainian government are thrown in jail, beaten, sometimes burned alive, forced to go to front lines to die without support.
i'm torn between 3 possibilities
a) you are a retard b) you are either tied to, or directly paid by russian structures c) you misspelt "Russian" as "Ukrainian"
also, if a slashdot submission excludes key facts in the hope that we will read the article, they must be smoking something stroooong. we'll go in offtopic rants instead.
Finally: the summary is terrible, even by/. standards.
samzenpus. i even bothered to find a way to hide him for my logged-in account, but unfortunately i can't just make him disappear for my anonymous visits, which is how i ended up here
it's not about possibility, it's about attitude. that approach is bad. sure, sometimes it can't be avoided because of a crappy vendor - but that does not mean it's "just fine", it should be listed as a risk & drawback in your security assessment reports
we disable local firewalls when we're deploying telephony application servers because of vendor requirements. Likewise, some applications require SELinux to be disabled as well.
they are simply badly designed apps, the vendor was lazy. i'm guilty of doing that sometimes myself, but i'm not going to try and justify it - i was just lazy or pressed for time. it does not make it a good practice in any case.
you are changing the claim and then refuting it. the claim is that terrorists shot down something, thinking it's an ukrainian transport plane... except that it was not. this is confirmed even by their own boasting (which they quickly removed after they saw what fell out of that plane)
they supplied the sam system. they supplied the personnel manning it. they did pick the target... just that they fucked up. of course, they are pretending thy know nothing about those terrorists they sent and armed there for this exact reason - so that they could say "ooooh, it's some innocent, peaceful rebels"
i didn't mean that any of these was on purpose. mh17 does look like an accidental shot - but fully enabled by the current russian leadership, including supply of the troops, financing and the weapons.
ah, another anonymous kremlin commenter. just remember that in the regime you are promoting you, your relatives and friends will be fair game to the ruling putin class.
there's a difference between full scale, open invasion - and the slow creeping of special forces, a sam system here or there etc. russia used this tactic in crimea, denying their involvement when everybody said it's them - then admitted it was them all along. now they are denying their presence in the eastern ukraine...
first, i'm a european - and we know what an invasion by russia looks like and means. second, the plane was avoiding a storm, and was still supposed to be in safe height (nobody thought putin would allow to provide such weaponry to the terrorists) third, the plane was jointly controlled by kiev and russian traffic controllers. fourth. just a few hours before the hit, russia supposedly closed the corridor where mh17 was flying. might be a coincidence. but oh how you would trump that up if ukrainians would have done that... fifth, the only ones who are hiding the evidence are the terrorists on the ground - that includes rocket remains, blackboxes etc. oh well, by now they are being hidden in moscow.
"no, we have no idea who shot down kl007" would be more appropriate. more recent, involves the same aggressor. and if the usa issues official statement that they detected a missile launch from the terrorist controlled territory, you can bet their internal report said "duh, of course it's those guys". one problem with "oooh, we don't know yet" is that it's one of the pr strategies that works for the kremlin - just wait a bit and those lazy germans, hooked on the gas, will forget about this...
indeed, in ukraine they are not operating as open as in crimea... but several of the leaders are "ex-russian-forces". how convenient, isn't it ? both gru and fsb have been identified as "previous" workplaces of many. there are also reports of some regular duty soldiers mysteriously dying - those are a bit harder to verify with dead bodies being transported back to russia with trucks.
here's a usa statement (they got some satellites and other systems that help with gathering information) : http://ukraine.usembassy.gov/statements/asmt-07192014.html the careful wording in the world of diplomacy means "oh stop fucking around, it's 100% clear who did it".
At the time that flight MH17 dropped out of contact, we detected a surface-to-air missile (SAM) launch from a separatist-controlled area in southeastern Ukraine.
also, the terrorists are sent and controlled by russia. if that indeed was not them... you can be sure as hell they would allow any and all inspections, completely secure the area to prevent any tampering, get all blackboxes and deliver them to international experts. because it would be juuuust perfect for them. they did the opposite.
That page is merely reporting a press release from the Ukrainian government in Kiev. Are you suggesting we should treat everything they say as factually true?
probably not everything, but so far they have shown themselves as a fairly (mostly ? completely ?) honest source of information. on the other hand, russia has demonstrated again and again to be the opposite.
Whatever is happening in Ukraine it is not a full-blown invasion by Russia in the "classical" style that Iraq or Afghanistan were. That would be far more obvious.
and continuing on trusting russia, how about a very relevant example... the invasion of crimea just a few months ago ? at first putin publicly (repeatedly) claimed no russian troops involved. then "well, they might have helped a bit". after the invasion, "but of course they were our men !" and europe didn't even blink. so now we got a plane down, and we are just getting "more concerned". yes, that will surely help just as it did before.
what russia does in eastern ukraine is either war or terrorism - although it is probably both.
Whoever shot down the plane, they were "soldiers" or fighters of some variety and almost certainly can be described as Ukrainian, given that everyone seems to agree that the fighters are actually eastern Ukrainians and at most Russia is supplying weapons to them.
is that "everybody" 'russia today' ? try googletranslating http://lb.ua/news/2014/07/20/2... - ukrainian army detains 23 terrorists. somehow all 23 turn out to be citizens of the russian federation. there's also an interview with a former warrior from moscow how tells how 80% of them were from russia, with locals not exceeding 20%.
let's bisect the other thing you said - "at most Russia is supplying weapons to them". "at most". as if they were given bows and arrows. they get armoured vehicles. they get... tanks. they get bloody sam systems that can reach targets up to 25km.
a strategy of kremlin propagandists. distribute lies about events ("oh, ukrainians shot down mh 17 ! they even shot down their own planes a few days before that. we claimed credit for that just for fun !"), then go "ooooh, but you know, i don't trust either side, they all are lying"
so far russia has been caught lying many times. all evidence points at russian special forces (and regular army, too) being responsible both for invasion in eastern ukraine, and for downing mh17 specifically.
please, stop whitewashing this terrible government, it can lead to even more tragic losses.
of course, russian govt is the most knowledgeable - they shot down the damn plane. on the other hand, the rest of the world knows quite a lot - photos and videos on the ground, showing buk system moving around, intercepted terrorist conversations that include receiving of the buk, moving it around, then scrambling to react when they find out just what they just shot down. that also includes public bragging about downed ukrainian plane, only to hastily remove all those comments once they figured out that it's a civilian plane. after that they publicly try other idiotic statements like claiming that all passengers were dead in amsterdam already (yeah, happens in that city every now and then, right ?), or trying to find "weapons" in the remains of the plane. then more intercepted conversations where they are given the orders from the "higher ups, from moscow, you know what i mean" not to let anybody who's not "theirs" near the crash site and above all - find all "black" boxes and ship them to moscow.
there is no "anti red agenda". there's a fascistic, aggressive country that invaded and annexed part of a european country. and there are lots of paid commenters who try to whitewash the crazy actions of russian state. (although some might be genuinely crazy and/or uninformed and do it for free)
for how long do you have it ? is it constantly on ? my asus wl500gp is having a recurring capacitor problem and i feel ready to replace it with something nice and perfectly supported by openwrt.
what are the biggest problems you have faced with that device ?
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indeed.
germans are weak.
italians are crazy.
french are weak and stupid (hello, mistral-french).
and we, "eastern europe", are fucked (or, as you put it, we have "a serious problem")
People that voice disagreement against Ukrainian government are thrown in jail, beaten, sometimes burned alive, forced to go to front lines to die without support.
i'm torn between 3 possibilities
a) you are a retard
b) you are either tied to, or directly paid by russian structures
c) you misspelt "Russian" as "Ukrainian"
please provide examples of disinformation from nato.
or from ukrainian high command for that matter.
also, if a slashdot submission excludes key facts in the hope that we will read the article, they must be smoking something stroooong.
we'll go in offtopic rants instead.
HA. i had seen the new javascripty media viewer and was annoyed, but did not research it.
luckily, you can disable it. if you are logged in, go to your preferences, appearance tab and unmark "Enable Media Viewer".
yay :)
lack of understanding what russia does and what happens in ukraine right now is astonishing. where do you get your news, russia today ?
Finally: the summary is terrible, even by /. standards.
samzenpus. i even bothered to find a way to hide him for my logged-in account, but unfortunately i can't just make him disappear for my anonymous visits, which is how i ended up here
sure, i didn't say it's easy to change - but it's important to recognise that this is wrong and laziness on their part :)
it's not about possibility, it's about attitude. that approach is bad. sure, sometimes it can't be avoided because of a crappy vendor - but that does not mean it's "just fine", it should be listed as a risk & drawback in your security assessment reports
we disable local firewalls when we're deploying telephony application servers because of vendor requirements. Likewise, some applications require SELinux to be disabled as well.
they are simply badly designed apps, the vendor was lazy.
i'm guilty of doing that sometimes myself, but i'm not going to try and justify it - i was just lazy or pressed for time. it does not make it a good practice in any case.
you are changing the claim and then refuting it.
the claim is that terrorists shot down something, thinking it's an ukrainian transport plane... except that it was not.
this is confirmed even by their own boasting (which they quickly removed after they saw what fell out of that plane)
they supplied the sam system. they supplied the personnel manning it. they did pick the target... just that they fucked up.
of course, they are pretending thy know nothing about those terrorists they sent and armed there for this exact reason - so that they could say "ooooh, it's some innocent, peaceful rebels"
i didn't mean that any of these was on purpose.
mh17 does look like an accidental shot - but fully enabled by the current russian leadership, including supply of the troops, financing and the weapons.
ah, another anonymous kremlin commenter.
just remember that in the regime you are promoting you, your relatives and friends will be fair game to the ruling putin class.
there's a difference between full scale, open invasion - and the slow creeping of special forces, a sam system here or there etc.
russia used this tactic in crimea, denying their involvement when everybody said it's them - then admitted it was them all along.
now they are denying their presence in the eastern ukraine...
first, i'm a european - and we know what an invasion by russia looks like and means.
second, the plane was avoiding a storm, and was still supposed to be in safe height (nobody thought putin would allow to provide such weaponry to the terrorists)
third, the plane was jointly controlled by kiev and russian traffic controllers.
fourth. just a few hours before the hit, russia supposedly closed the corridor where mh17 was flying. might be a coincidence. but oh how you would trump that up if ukrainians would have done that...
fifth, the only ones who are hiding the evidence are the terrorists on the ground - that includes rocket remains, blackboxes etc. oh well, by now they are being hidden in moscow.
"no, we have no idea who shot down kl007" would be more appropriate. more recent, involves the same aggressor.
and if the usa issues official statement that they detected a missile launch from the terrorist controlled territory, you can bet their internal report said "duh, of course it's those guys".
one problem with "oooh, we don't know yet" is that it's one of the pr strategies that works for the kremlin - just wait a bit and those lazy germans, hooked on the gas, will forget about this...
indeed, in ukraine they are not operating as open as in crimea... but several of the leaders are "ex-russian-forces".
how convenient, isn't it ? both gru and fsb have been identified as "previous" workplaces of many.
there are also reports of some regular duty soldiers mysteriously dying - those are a bit harder to verify with dead bodies being transported back to russia with trucks.
here's a usa statement (they got some satellites and other systems that help with gathering information) :
http://ukraine.usembassy.gov/statements/asmt-07192014.html
the careful wording in the world of diplomacy means "oh stop fucking around, it's 100% clear who did it".
also, the terrorists are sent and controlled by russia. if that indeed was not them... you can be sure as hell they would allow any and all inspections, completely secure the area to prevent any tampering, get all blackboxes and deliver them to international experts. because it would be juuuust perfect for them.
they did the opposite.
That page is merely reporting a press release from the Ukrainian government in Kiev. Are you suggesting we should treat everything they say as factually true?
probably not everything, but so far they have shown themselves as a fairly (mostly ? completely ?) honest source of information.
on the other hand, russia has demonstrated again and again to be the opposite.
Whatever is happening in Ukraine it is not a full-blown invasion by Russia in the "classical" style that Iraq or Afghanistan were. That would be far more obvious.
and continuing on trusting russia, how about a very relevant example... the invasion of crimea just a few months ago ?
at first putin publicly (repeatedly) claimed no russian troops involved. then "well, they might have helped a bit". after the invasion, "but of course they were our men !"
and europe didn't even blink. so now we got a plane down, and we are just getting "more concerned". yes, that will surely help just as it did before.
what russia does in eastern ukraine is either war or terrorism - although it is probably both.
Whoever shot down the plane, they were "soldiers" or fighters of some variety and almost certainly can be described as Ukrainian, given that everyone seems to agree that the fighters are actually eastern Ukrainians and at most Russia is supplying weapons to them.
is that "everybody" 'russia today' ?
try googletranslating http://lb.ua/news/2014/07/20/2... - ukrainian army detains 23 terrorists. somehow all 23 turn out to be citizens of the russian federation.
there's also an interview with a former warrior from moscow how tells how 80% of them were from russia, with locals not exceeding 20%.
let's bisect the other thing you said - "at most Russia is supplying weapons to them".
"at most". as if they were given bows and arrows. they get armoured vehicles. they get... tanks. they get bloody sam systems that can reach targets up to 25km.
a strategy of kremlin propagandists.
distribute lies about events ("oh, ukrainians shot down mh 17 ! they even shot down their own planes a few days before that. we claimed credit for that just for fun !"), then go "ooooh, but you know, i don't trust either side, they all are lying"
so far russia has been caught lying many times. all evidence points at russian special forces (and regular army, too) being responsible both for invasion in eastern ukraine, and for downing mh17 specifically.
please, stop whitewashing this terrible government, it can lead to even more tragic losses.
of course, russian govt is the most knowledgeable - they shot down the damn plane.
on the other hand, the rest of the world knows quite a lot - photos and videos on the ground, showing buk system moving around, intercepted terrorist conversations that include receiving of the buk, moving it around, then scrambling to react when they find out just what they just shot down.
that also includes public bragging about downed ukrainian plane, only to hastily remove all those comments once they figured out that it's a civilian plane.
after that they publicly try other idiotic statements like claiming that all passengers were dead in amsterdam already (yeah, happens in that city every now and then, right ?), or trying to find "weapons" in the remains of the plane.
then more intercepted conversations where they are given the orders from the "higher ups, from moscow, you know what i mean" not to let anybody who's not "theirs" near the crash site and above all - find all "black" boxes and ship them to moscow.
there is no "anti red agenda". there's a fascistic, aggressive country that invaded and annexed part of a european country. and there are lots of paid commenters who try to whitewash the crazy actions of russian state. (although some might be genuinely crazy and/or uninformed and do it for free)
for how long do you have it ? is it constantly on ?
my asus wl500gp is having a recurring capacitor problem and i feel ready to replace it with something nice and perfectly supported by openwrt.
what are the biggest problems you have faced with that device ?
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Nominatim#Reverse_Geocoding_.2F_Address_lookup ?