of course. and that is why ms will never have guts to pull from europe. and the new powerhouse probably will be china, as both eu/usa are rotten to the bones (c) paprika korps:>
if you were ms, i would tell you "oh, please, please do not, our economies will crush, we will beg you to come back and have govt agreements with you later - please don't leave us !"
well, this seems to be another situation that is propelled by current culture.
we supposedly are more open towards sexuality than previous generations, but i believe we have been only oppressing it more and more.
this is lead by most religions and especially american christianity, where a view of a naked breast is far worse than a view of a human being killed, sliced and whatnot.
frustration, lack of sexual activity can be very demoralizing, it induces aggressivity - and most humans don't even know what causes their anger or disappointment in most everyday situations.
this "prohibition" on sex has lead to massive explosion of porn industry. supposedly sex should be a normal activity - you don't see many animals gathering around a drawing of a naked of their kin, do you ? they just "do it".
i believe most (if not all) of the people have some sort of a psychological trauma in this regard (i sure have one...) - how freely can you talk about it ? how freely can you talk about it with the opposite gender ?
thing that is considered similar to eating (regarding biological activities) for every other species on the earth is a taboo for humans, so that single 'hello' can be interpreted as !horror! harrassment (southpark reference : sexual harrasment - panda !) and girls get all those geeks snuffing around instead of finding out their chances in a more direct way and doing something more useful if there are none:)
i'll just tell you why i am using it over firefox.
it is faster and uses slightly less memory; it is a smaller download (even though it includes mail and whatnot that i do not use); the most important for me : it includes quite a lot of funtionality. mouse gestures, fully featured tabs etc.
firefox has plugins that provide functionality opera doesn't have - but often they are not available for the latest version, upgrading may break them etc...
if these plugins were promoted to official status where moz takes care of them (allinone mouse gestures, adblock, session saver - these are the ones i can not live without), firefox would be a lot more viable option for me:)
additionally there are "the small things" - for example, in opera i can click on a link, then, while the same page is still visible, right click on another and choose 'open in background tab'. this doesn't work in firefox. but lately i more often try out firefox to see wether it is possible for me to migrate to it. i am held back by plugins that are not updated for the latest-and-greatest. yes, most of them can be made to work by changing version number, but i am lazy;) and besides, not all of them work this way, some break upfront, some just glitch now and then.
"Although your idea seems nice on the surface, if car life cycles were much longer than 2 years"
i'm sorry, but this is either troll or/. lacks moderation option "dumb".
if everybody in the world would be scrapping car after two years, we would be in seriously deep shit.
here, in "eastern europe" - ex-ussr, most cars are > 10 years old, some are > 20. they run relatively ok (though some lack stuff like air conditioning etc), are very cheap to maintain (they are simple and fixing them is easy). gasoline consumption is only slighlty bigger than new cars (if these oldies have been taken care of) and many of them run on gas.
imagine the problems if all these cars would have to be recycled after only two years and only new ones were available...
this mentality of "production for production's sake" will backfire heavily. not that many care today, though.
oh, by the way, cars that last longer than ex-ussr made cars come from germany & japan, so that must be american way of life - rushing through stuff in incredible speed and producing incredible amounts of waste. well, that is ok because they will not be around when somebody will have to take care of it...
now that somebody has mentioned gimp, i will write my little rant here. gimp is the gtk app i use the most. i immediately noticed changed open/save window. it seemed pretty nice overall, but lack of address bar was driving me nuts. then somebody mentioned that typing "/" would allow to enter path directly. this was pretty nice, but there are two things that make this dialogue so irritating i prefer clicking instead of writing. first, if i start typing with ~, this doesn't work. second, if autocomplete kicks in, it works _completely different from any other app_ and BLOODY AWKWARDS.
i have screamed at my monitor how much i hate it. let's say, i have a directory "/mnt/net" i want to get to by typing it. what i get is "/mnt/net/t/net". wtf ?
turns out, if autocomplete kicks in and it has only one suggestion, my further typing _is not_ replacing the suggestion, it is appended to it. if this is not a bug, somebody has seriously screwed up.
basically, if i type a path in, i type it pretty fast. current implementation basically forces me to pause after each bloody character to see wether i will be able to continue my writing or something has been autocompleted.
this implementation has so many problems i am surprised it was pushed in this state, especially given all these usability zealots:)
from article : "MOMA displayed latency times, popular search terms, traffic stats for Google-owned properties and, at the center of it all, a large graph with colored lines labeled with the names of Muppet characters. I cant reveal what that graph represented, but if Rizzo or Fozzie started closing the gap with the Great Gonzo, Oscar would not be the only grouch on Sesame Street."
what do you think - browser stats ?:) that would be one nice but flamed portion if it was made public...
What's unsafe about using https to connect to a pop3 server?
you were talking about "using https to connect to pop3 server", not a webserver. normally you can not connect this way to another services like pop3, smtp or ssh. i am sure somebody can write a hack, but that would be nontrivial (to make it efficient) and pretty pointless:)
I can encrypt my email use by connecting to the Gmail server using https - how do I do that using Thunderbird?
this lead me to believe you were talking about accessing gmails' pop3 interface safely. oh well:)
if you are talking about encrypted pop3 to anybody else, then yes, it depends on the provider of that service. nowadays most if not all providers do have spop3 access to their mailservers, but sure there will be some who do not:)
I ended up moving back to Outlook because I need full control over my data.
i'm not going over data format availability, software support and impact of these factors to data availability.
it's just that tb/mozilla keeps mails as plaintext mbox files. unless you are backing up incorrect directory, there must be serious job involved to back them up incorrectly.
care to elaborate on exact problems that are in tb in regard to backing up your mail ?
note that current implementation adds tabs for preview window.
i'm not sure what exactly i would prefer here - tabs in preview/full window/both, but i know that i would like the tabs in tb;)
somebody also suggested fully tabbed interface with addressbook/calendar/messages getting their own fullsize tabs. i guess, i would have to use something like that for some time to know what works for me best.
basically, it uses spop3, which is encrypted. notice checkbox besides 'use encrypted connection (ssl)' - if you follow these steps, you can setup pop3 access to gmail that is encrypted
oh. this is interesting. i had to think about this for a couple of seconds:)
i wouldn't want to mess up my mails, so i will not try this right now though;) i can think of a couple of problematic situations :
1. what happens if i have all mail from one organisation in one folder (autofilters) ? probably i should set outgoing filter that would drop all messages to that organisation in the same folder... would this work ?
2. in sent items, if i do a filtering by 'sender', it actually searches for recipient. what will happen if i have my sent messages in inbox and filter for a sender ? will it pick up sent ones with corresponding recipient ?
so, what is new in this ? there are companies that prohibit music recording devices, because they had cases when somebody was playing data (with special software) and recording it (through analog port), later reconstructing files.
so, if you are concerned about security at this level, you probably limit devices allowed and working components of computers.
now, most companies do not balance these measures - they get extensive security systems, restrict their users to the point where they can not perform their duties - and then the information is obtained by a cleaner (who gets $150 a month so it's not that hard to pay more than required...)
forgetting that the weakest point in your security is exactly what whole system is worth - it's not a common mistake, it seems to be a rule.
could anybody explain more on "One other major development this week involves progress toward allowing the use of non-English language characters when steering a Web browser to a particular site." ?
i suppose idn is already working, opera, firefox support it, several countries already are registering these domain names - are they considering allowance of extended characters in top level domains ?
i'll comment on things from my experience with linux as a primary desktop system for almost three years.
Lack of configuration is the main bonus point of Windows. You just install software and it's ready to go. While I like the configuratability (is that a word?) of Linux I find it makes small common changes slow and painful. I hate installing a big new piece of software because it (often) means digging though a multitude of text files looking for a setting while reading technically complex man pages. A lot of Windows programs have text files for configuration but you never go near them. On Linux your always in there.
but this depends on the manufacturer of that particular software (i assume you are not talking about packages that are supplied by distribution:) ). yes, a lot of software is pretty hard to get working, especially for people who come from windows - but then there's some that is really easy to get working.
for example, mono is easy to install. nvidia kernel module (!) also is mostly just pressing [enter] repeatedly. (though you have to make some changes manually to xorg.conf, they are well documented and linux newbie could make them easily)
Common feel is another advantage. The whole cut and paste disaster on Linux is almost laughable. I know that the Gnome and KDE teams have been working together on cut and paste and drag and drop but there are still numerous places where it doesn't quite work. It might supprise you to know that I don't really care that much about the different widget kits. I run a mixed system of Gnome apps and KDE using whichever is best for the job at hand. The widgets work the same in both kits (for the most part) so I just see the difference as a skin.
copynpaste - there were problems some years ago, but lately i get kde, gnome and other apps working together, i can cop&paste text, pictures. i can manage both text and pictures with klipper. it's pretty cool:) even now there are some problems, but they mostly are with some applications - for example, pasting from opera to openoffice.org 2.0 diacritic symbols fscks them up. it works with opera->oo.org1.1 or firefox->oo.org2.0. but these problems are not norm nowadays, they really are exceptions. i can't comment on dragndrop, as i basically don't use it:)
visual differences - i usually do not notice that a program uses different widgets unless somebody tells me or it is really, really distinctive:) somehow i concentrate on the task, the functionality of the program, so unless widgets get in my way, they are good for me.
then there are wrappers for qt apps to look like gnome desktop they sit in or gtk apps look like kde desktop they reside.
for different projects on collaboration you might check out some work at http://freedesktop.org/
The one thing that does bug me about the different widget sets though is the lack of one hit configuration. It's impossible (IMHO) to run a pure KDE or prue Gnome desktop.
it is possible:) it all depends on tasks you want to do - if it's mail, web, office software - you probably can do with a single desktop environment. if you want more, combining best from each probably is a good idea.
I find it frustrating that you can't (easily) configure the Gnome L&F and KDE L&F at the same time.
agree:) that's where those wrappers come in (this also is sorta covered in freedesktop)
Then, of course, there is OOo which is off on a world of it's own
well, >=1.1, yes. 2.0 can use both gtk and qt widgets in addition to it's own generic widget set. things change to the best;)
and the X apps which I never quite figured out.
oh, well. you forgot tcl, wx and probably million more;)
Updating the system is quite painful as well. I find it hard
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of course. and that is why ms will never have guts to pull from europe. :>
and the new powerhouse probably will be china, as both eu/usa are rotten to the bones (c) paprika korps
i'm sorry, but i just do not believe you have never heard of monopolies and regulations imposed upon them.
so you must be troll.
well, i don't like this expression, but "whooooooosh"
if you were ms, i would tell you
"oh, please, please do not, our economies will crush, we will beg you to come back and have govt agreements with you later - please don't leave us !"
well, this seems to be another situation that is propelled by current culture.
:)
we supposedly are more open towards sexuality than previous generations, but i believe we have been only oppressing it more and more.
this is lead by most religions and especially american christianity, where a view of a naked breast is far worse than a view of a human being killed, sliced and whatnot.
frustration, lack of sexual activity can be very demoralizing, it induces aggressivity - and most humans don't even know what causes their anger or disappointment in most everyday situations.
this "prohibition" on sex has lead to massive explosion of porn industry. supposedly sex should be a normal activity - you don't see many animals gathering around a drawing of a naked of their kin, do you ? they just "do it".
i believe most (if not all) of the people have some sort of a psychological trauma in this regard (i sure have one...) - how freely can you talk about it ? how freely can you talk about it with the opposite gender ?
thing that is considered similar to eating (regarding biological activities) for every other species on the earth is a taboo for humans, so that single 'hello' can be interpreted as !horror! harrassment (southpark reference : sexual harrasment - panda !) and girls get all those geeks snuffing around instead of finding out their chances in a more direct way and doing something more useful if there are none
i'll just tell you why i am using it over firefox.
:)
;)
it is faster and uses slightly less memory;
it is a smaller download (even though it includes mail and whatnot that i do not use);
the most important for me : it includes quite a lot of funtionality. mouse gestures, fully featured tabs etc.
firefox has plugins that provide functionality opera doesn't have - but often they are not available for the latest version, upgrading may break them etc...
if these plugins were promoted to official status where moz takes care of them (allinone mouse gestures, adblock, session saver - these are the ones i can not live without), firefox would be a lot more viable option for me
additionally there are "the small things" - for example, in opera i can click on a link, then, while the same page is still visible, right click on another and choose 'open in background tab'. this doesn't work in firefox.
but lately i more often try out firefox to see wether it is possible for me to migrate to it. i am held back by plugins that are not updated for the latest-and-greatest.
yes, most of them can be made to work by changing version number, but i am lazy
and besides, not all of them work this way, some break upfront, some just glitch now and then.
"Although your idea seems nice on the surface, if car life cycles were much longer than 2 years"
/. lacks moderation option "dumb".
i'm sorry, but this is either troll or
if everybody in the world would be scrapping car after two years, we would be in seriously deep shit.
here, in "eastern europe" - ex-ussr, most cars are > 10 years old, some are > 20. they run relatively ok (though some lack stuff like air conditioning etc), are very cheap to maintain (they are simple and fixing them is easy). gasoline consumption is only slighlty bigger than new cars (if these oldies have been taken care of) and many of them run on gas.
imagine the problems if all these cars would have to be recycled after only two years and only new ones were available...
this mentality of "production for production's sake" will backfire heavily. not that many care today, though.
oh, by the way, cars that last longer than ex-ussr made cars come from germany & japan, so that must be american way of life - rushing through stuff in incredible speed and producing incredible amounts of waste. well, that is ok because they will not be around when somebody will have to take care of it...
well, kde seems to to that, too, but it happens instantly.
;)
in that gnome usability list somebody mentioned this problem - supposedly this new gtk dialog lists them all for autocomplete and is very slow.
actually now that i thin of this, i have used 'open with' quite a lot in kde and i have never noticed the slowdown, so that must be gnome
now that somebody has mentioned gimp, i will write my little rant here.
:)
e mber/msg00028.html for some examples (including starting with ~)
gimp is the gtk app i use the most. i immediately noticed changed open/save window. it seemed pretty nice overall, but lack of address bar was driving me nuts.
then somebody mentioned that typing "/" would allow to enter path directly. this was pretty nice, but there are two things that make this dialogue so irritating i prefer clicking instead of writing.
first, if i start typing with ~, this doesn't work.
second, if autocomplete kicks in, it works _completely different from any other app_ and BLOODY AWKWARDS.
i have screamed at my monitor how much i hate it.
let's say, i have a directory "/mnt/net" i want to get to by typing it. what i get is "/mnt/net/t/net". wtf ?
turns out, if autocomplete kicks in and it has only one suggestion, my further typing _is not_ replacing the suggestion, it is appended to it. if this is not a bug, somebody has seriously screwed up.
basically, if i type a path in, i type it pretty fast. current implementation basically forces me to pause after each bloody character to see wether i will be able to continue my writing or something has been autocompleted.
this implementation has so many problems i am surprised it was pushed in this state, especially given all these usability zealots
see http://mail.gnome.org/archives/usability/2005-Dec
from article : "MOMA displayed latency times, popular search terms, traffic stats for Google-owned properties and, at the center of it all, a large graph with colored lines labeled with the names of Muppet characters. I cant reveal what that graph represented, but if Rizzo or Fozzie started closing the gap with the Great Gonzo, Oscar would not be the only grouch on Sesame Street."
:)
what do you think - browser stats ?
that would be one nice but flamed portion if it was made public...
What's unsafe about using https to connect to a pop3 server?
:)
you were talking about "using https to connect to pop3 server", not a webserver. normally you can not connect this way to another services like pop3, smtp or ssh. i am sure somebody can write a hack, but that would be nontrivial (to make it efficient) and pretty pointless
umm. maybe i am misunderstanding something, but how do you intend to access pop3 service by typing "https" anywhere ?
umm. safety-wise this might be a very good solution. usability is hard, though ;)
i haven't seen nomad/ipod in real life ;), but erm...
"nested menus" ?
one-click shopping ?
well, maybe i should try patenting scrollbars in usa. this might just get through...
hmm
:)
:)
I can encrypt my email use by connecting to the Gmail server using https - how do I do that using Thunderbird?
this lead me to believe you were talking about accessing gmails' pop3 interface safely. oh well
if you are talking about encrypted pop3 to anybody else, then yes, it depends on the provider of that service. nowadays most if not all providers do have spop3 access to their mailservers, but sure there will be some who do not
i was unable to find anything like this in bugzilla - maybe you know bug# ? ;)
if there is none, maybe you should file it
uh-oh ? it was all well up to this :
I ended up moving back to Outlook because I need full control over my data.
i'm not going over data format availability, software support and impact of these factors to data availability.
it's just that tb/mozilla keeps mails as plaintext mbox files. unless you are backing up incorrect directory, there must be serious job involved to back them up incorrectly.
care to elaborate on exact problems that are in tb in regard to backing up your mail ?
note that current implementation adds tabs for preview window.
;)
i'm not sure what exactly i would prefer here - tabs in preview/full window/both, but i know that i would like the tabs in tb
somebody also suggested fully tabbed interface with addressbook/calendar/messages getting their own fullsize tabs. i guess, i would have to use something like that for some time to know what works for me best.
no, your isp has nothing to do with encrypted access to gmail (well, unless they explicitly block it)
e r=13285
http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answ
basically, it uses spop3, which is encrypted. notice checkbox besides 'use encrypted connection (ssl)' - if you follow these steps, you can setup pop3 access to gmail that is encrypted
http://gmail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answ er=13273
;)
though if they had imap, i probably might start using it seriously
oh. this is interesting. i had to think about this for a couple of seconds :)
;)
:)
i wouldn't want to mess up my mails, so i will not try this right now though
i can think of a couple of problematic situations :
1. what happens if i have all mail from one organisation in one folder (autofilters) ? probably i should set outgoing filter that would drop all messages to that organisation in the same folder... would this work ?
2. in sent items, if i do a filtering by 'sender', it actually searches for recipient. what will happen if i have my sent messages in inbox and filter for a sender ? will it pick up sent ones with corresponding recipient ?
otherwise this seems to be a really nice trick
so, what is new in this ?
there are companies that prohibit music recording devices, because they had cases when somebody was playing data (with special software) and recording it (through analog port), later reconstructing files.
so, if you are concerned about security at this level, you probably limit devices allowed and working components of computers.
now, most companies do not balance these measures - they get extensive security systems, restrict their users to the point where they can not perform their duties - and then the information is obtained by a cleaner (who gets $150 a month so it's not that hard to pay more than required...)
forgetting that the weakest point in your security is exactly what whole system is worth - it's not a common mistake, it seems to be a rule.
could anybody explain more on "One other major development this week involves progress toward allowing the use of non-English language characters when steering a Web browser to a particular site." ?
i suppose idn is already working, opera, firefox support it, several countries already are registering these domain names - are they considering allowance of extended characters in top level domains ?
i think, this reference was to _security_ bugs. and there are few companies that are so careless regarding to security bugs.
i'll comment on things from my experience with linux as a primary desktop system for almost three years.
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Lack of configuration is the main bonus point of Windows. You just install software and it's ready to go. While I like the configuratability (is that a word?) of Linux I find it makes small common changes slow and painful. I hate installing a big new piece of software because it (often) means digging though a multitude of text files looking for a setting while reading technically complex man pages. A lot of Windows programs have text files for configuration but you never go near them. On Linux your always in there.
but this depends on the manufacturer of that particular software (i assume you are not talking about packages that are supplied by distribution
yes, a lot of software is pretty hard to get working, especially for people who come from windows - but then there's some that is really easy to get working.
for example, mono is easy to install. nvidia kernel module (!) also is mostly just pressing [enter] repeatedly. (though you have to make some changes manually to xorg.conf, they are well documented and linux newbie could make them easily)
Common feel is another advantage. The whole cut and paste disaster on Linux is almost laughable. I know that the Gnome and KDE teams have been working together on cut and paste and drag and drop but there are still numerous places where it doesn't quite work. It might supprise you to know that I don't really care that much about the different widget kits. I run a mixed system of Gnome apps and KDE using whichever is best for the job at hand. The widgets work the same in both kits (for the most part) so I just see the difference as a skin.
copynpaste - there were problems some years ago, but lately i get kde, gnome and other apps working together, i can cop&paste text, pictures. i can manage both text and pictures with klipper. it's pretty cool
even now there are some problems, but they mostly are with some applications - for example, pasting from opera to openoffice.org 2.0 diacritic symbols fscks them up. it works with opera->oo.org1.1 or firefox->oo.org2.0. but these problems are not norm nowadays, they really are exceptions.
i can't comment on dragndrop, as i basically don't use it
visual differences - i usually do not notice that a program uses different widgets unless somebody tells me or it is really, really distinctive
somehow i concentrate on the task, the functionality of the program, so unless widgets get in my way, they are good for me.
then there are wrappers for qt apps to look like gnome desktop they sit in or gtk apps look like kde desktop they reside.
for different projects on collaboration you might check out some work at http://freedesktop.org/
The one thing that does bug me about the different widget sets though is the lack of one hit configuration. It's impossible (IMHO) to run a pure KDE or prue Gnome desktop.
it is possible
it all depends on tasks you want to do - if it's mail, web, office software - you probably can do with a single desktop environment. if you want more, combining best from each probably is a good idea.
I find it frustrating that you can't (easily) configure the Gnome L&F and KDE L&F at the same time.
agree
that's where those wrappers come in (this also is sorta covered in freedesktop)
Then, of course, there is OOo which is off on a world of it's own
well, >=1.1, yes. 2.0 can use both gtk and qt widgets in addition to it's own generic widget set. things change to the best
and the X apps which I never quite figured out.
oh, well. you forgot tcl, wx and probably million more
Updating the system is quite painful as well. I find it hard