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ICANN Plays Down U.S. Influence

aychamo writes "The ICANN (the company that distributes most of the world's internet addresses) is denying that it gives the US government too much control over its operations. For instance, the US was the only country able to stop ICANN from using .xxx for pr0n domains, instead of .com. The ICANN is planning events to show that it is not US influenced." From the article: "ICANN's board of directors appears to favor a proposal for a new set of Internet addresses that end in .Asia, which would more easily identify Asia-focused Web sites. Approval of the new top-level domain could come during the ICANN board of directors meeting on Sunday. One other major development this week involves progress toward allowing the use of non-English language characters when steering a Web browser to a particular site. ICANN is now exploring a proposal to open Web browsers up to dozens of the world's other alphabets. Actual tests of just such a system are now in the works, Twomey said. "

253 comments

  1. TLDs by BushCheney08 · · Score: 2, Funny

    I think every 80s progrock supergroup should have their own TLD.

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    1. Re:TLDs by Jotii · · Score: 0

      Why not give every person one, using their SSN?

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    2. Re:TLDs by geminidomino · · Score: 2, Funny

      Why limit it to the 80s?

      We could solve the whole .xxx problem with .supertramp!

    3. Re:TLDs by Profane+MuthaFucka · · Score: 1

      Nuclear submarine. SUVs are getting too small for some of us.

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    4. Re:TLDs by Billosaur · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The end result being something like:

      http://www.rush.group.eighties.progrock.band/

      or something similarly inane, because ICANN can't seem to develop any self-control when it comes to TLDs. The whole idea behind DNS and TLDs was so people didn't have to remember to type in http://327.45.189.2/ all the time to get to their favorite web site. ICANN came along and took the original simple system and has been slowly obfuscating it to where pretty soon people will get Carpal Tunnel Syndrome just from typing in all these long names. Thank god for Google and bookmarks!

      It's interesting to note that domains are starting to take on the character of USENET newsgroups as far as their length and complexity. Why not change the way domains are set up? Move the suffixes to prefixes:

      http://org.slashdot.yro/articles/...

      I like the flow, as it's basically a tree, saying the site belongs to an organization, it's name (on the web anyway) is slashdot, and you're in the section marked 'yro', subsection 'articles'. Like the Dewey Decimal System for web sites. Make it part of one big Net-wide reorg, along with IPv6.

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    5. Re:TLDs by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1
      http://www.rush.group.eighties.progrock.band/
      This somehow reminds me of some parts of the existing Usenet hierarchy, alt especially. Must not be such a bad idea then, eh? ;)
    6. Re:TLDs by Jeff+Hornby · · Score: 1

      Isn't it ironic that, in a story about how the U.S. has too much influence over ICANN, somebody proposes that we use the SSN (an uniquely American identifier) to identify people on the Web?

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    7. Re:TLDs by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      Hmm. I live in the UK, but my co-lo host is in the US (their money's worthless, so things are cheaper). Should I have to move from a .org to a .or.us?

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    8. Re:TLDs by Bogtha · · Score: 1

      Why not do away with the dots altogether? URIs already have a way of denoting hierarchy - the slash. Why have http://org.slashdot.yro/articles/... when you can have /http/org/slashdot/yro/articles/...? That way cookies/robots.txt/favicons/P3P/HTTP OPTIONS/etc can have a clear hierarchy for authority that isn't tightly coupled to the host.

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    9. Re:TLDs by GileadGreene · · Score: 1

      Sounds suspiciously like the "everything is a file" approach promoted by the Plan 9 OS. Not that I think that necessarily makes it a bad idea.

    10. Re:TLDs by Bogtha · · Score: 1

      Sort of, yes. Hans Reiser would probably describe it as unifying the namespaces. There's really no need to have two different ways of describing hierarchy within a single addressing system.

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    11. Re:TLDs by mrogers · · Score: 2, Insightful

      How would the DNS resolver know when to stop?

    12. Re:TLDs by Billosaur · · Score: 1
      Why not do away with the dots altogether?

      Because the dots allow for the delineation of the server(s) the content exists on. When you request a URL, you're not usually interacting with a lone server, but a server farm or some load-balanced server setup. The dot form of server name enables the routing of requests to the appropriate places more readily I think, since you can associate each variation (apache.slashdot.org, yro.slashdot.org, etc.) with a particular DNS entry, which can be altered as servers shift in and out due to conditions. I could see perhaps delineating thusly:

      http://org/slashdot.yro/directories/

      to provide a cleaner branch point for DNS lookups (go look on an 'org' DNS server for 'slashdot.yro'). Ultimately you don't want to make too radical a change because a lot of confusion will ensue. You also have to take into account the actual changes in infrastructure and code required to pull this off.

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    13. Re:TLDs by operagost · · Score: 1

      Wow, that website at 327.45.189.2 r0x0rz! I highly recommend it. Here's another good one: http://127.32.121.15/

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    14. Re:TLDs by Jackmn · · Score: 1

      Perhaps have a standard directory name that marks the end of the domain?

      Maybe a null directory name?

      /org/slashdot/politics//comments.pl ?

    15. Re:TLDs by flyonthewall · · Score: 1

      Yes.

      Why do we insists on making exception. Did I mention the author, manager, webmaster, or any other entities than the physical servers in my comments? Make one rule, no exceptions. In the end, it would turn out better for all.

      next you will accuse me of dumbing down the net! :)

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    16. Re:TLDs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not an entirely bad idea, but if you're going to go to all the trouble (and yes, it will be trouble!) to rearrange the existing TLDs, why not just implement a new naming system entirely? They could run in parallel, until DNS is deprecated...

    17. Re:TLDs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What about services and companies that reside in more than one country?

      Physical geography has little to do with the logical geography of the Internet. There's no particular reason to name sites after some political boundary on a map.

    18. Re:TLDs by Guppy06 · · Score: 1

      "The ICANN is planning events to show that it is not US influenced."

      It was the heat of the moment.

  2. What good is it without enforcement by Monoman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What good is it to have the xxx TLD if they won't enforce it? There will probably just be a rush to get their existing domain names as ADDITIONAL domain names before the squatters gobble them up.

    Slashdot uses a .org but should be on a .com! :-)

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    1. Re:What good is it without enforcement by Jotii · · Score: 2, Informative

      Another article (or its comments) says they are going to enforce it, or at least give the sites a time to change domain before they would fine XXX .com sites. I doubt that would ever work, though.

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    2. Re:What good is it without enforcement by Greger47 · · Score: 1
      There will probably just be a rush to get their existing domain names as ADDITIONAL domain names before the squatters gobble them up.

      There you have it! Instant money in the coffers of ICANN and their lackeys...

      /greger

    3. Re:What good is it without enforcement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      What good is it to have the xxx TLD if they won't enforce it?

      I see it more as a method for marketing people to push their sites, such as the .tv domain. Look at tv ads, especially the infomercials, and you'll see their sites with the .tv. So, the pr0n guys can say "Go to fuckingthefatpigsinstockings.xxx for a great time!" Or brokerage sites can have the ".stk"

      Also, I see it as a voluntary method for the pr0n industry. By having the ".xxx" extesion, they can now say that blocking their sites is easy, therefore there is no reason for more legislation controlling the industry to "protect the children."

      I can't think of anymore reasons other than to create more revenues for ICANN - they can sell even more domain names: you'd have to buy .net .com .org .xxx .wtf etc.... to keep folks from using a name like yours.

    4. Re:What good is it without enforcement by krgallagher · · Score: 1
      " What good is it to have the xxx TLD if they won't enforce it? "

      I think the idea is not to force them to use .xxx but to allow them to use it. If a business is legitimately selling sex, I think they would be eager to have a .xxx domain.

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    5. Re:What good is it without enforcement by Jaruzel · · Score: 1

      After say, two years, why not just refuse to resolve pr0n .com sites? The two years gives the pr0n sites plenty of time to migrate over.

      The .xxx TLD should not be about making money - The pr0n sites should be able to 'swap out' their .com domains for a .xxx for free (with the two year transfer time). Of course new registrations should pay in the usual way.

      How do we get a list of pr0n sites ? Well there are plenty of companies that already track this information (corporate Web-filter providers for example), so that's already a good starting point.

      Jus' my 2p.

      -Jar.

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    6. Re:What good is it without enforcement by Bogtha · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What good is it to have the xxx TLD if they won't enforce it?

      Pornographers, who make far more money from adults with credit cards than kids, can choose to be filtered out more easily from kids, thus wasting a lot less bandwidth on the kids who can't pay for anything anyway.

      People often demonise pornographers as though their sole purpose in life is to corrupt innocent children. That's nonsense, of course, they care about the bottom line as much as any company.

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    7. Re:What good is it without enforcement by tehwebguy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      then why don't they take cases to court when people share passwords, spread files via p2p, etc? they know that it has a hook as good as a drug for some/most people. someone might not be a paying customer today or tomorrow, but once it is hard to find what they want via p2p they might become one..

      or when they turn 18..

      or when they get a credit card..

      or when they find their parents' credit card..

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    8. Re:What good is it without enforcement by MindStalker · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I always thought it would probably be better to allow them to keep their .com and just require them to forward the traffic to the .xxx before serving content. This would allow for filtering and avoid problems with porn sites declaring they are losing buisness because people can't find them.

    9. Re:What good is it without enforcement by Mnemia · · Score: 1

      So you think it's a good idea to hand over the decision-making process over DNS to the companies that make filter products? Wow. You know that "pornography" is subjective, right?

      Even the filters are usually user adjustable...but in this case you're saying that they should be "yes/no"...

    10. Re:What good is it without enforcement by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      Nobody seems to realize. How do we decide what is porn and what isn't. Sometimes it's hard to tell if a site is art, or port, or porn posing as art.

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    11. Re:What good is it without enforcement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      dowload a little app called "squidguard". comes with a list of some 100 thousand porn sites... h_h

    12. Re:What good is it without enforcement by JWSmythe · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I agree completely. It's a bunch of BS. Porn will still show up on every domain that exists. The idea of trying to enforce it, while still theoretically feasable, means the almost certain death of every existing porn site. I'll use the site that pays my paycheck as an example. voyeurweb.com. According to Alexa, it's #319 of all web sites. With an average of close to 2 million unique visitors daily, or 9 million uniques weekly, it would be very hard to explain to them that there is a new name. Surely if we weren't in on the first minutes of the XXX registrations, people are going to be snagging up voyeurweb.xxx, right along with every slight variation of the name. There are hundreds of thousands of pages that link to some *.voyeurweb.com page. There are plenty of companies who are different with different TLD's on the same name, so it will be a huge name grab and years of threats and lawsuits before the dust settles.

      Along with that, we have several pay sites. The biggest headache will be proadult.com, which is a hosting service. There are roughly 80,000 sites which use proadult.com for authentication. Those 80,000 sites are either under the *.redclouds.com domains, or under their own domains, the majority of which are also .com's. There will be literally hundreds of thousands of pages to fix to make it work. Most webmasters are almost as bad as regular users. They created their site once, and don't have the technical ability to update all of their pages. If they do, they recognize that it would take a long time to accomplish it.

      Porn site users are your average user. Tell your average user to update their bookmarks, and they'll give you a technical blank stare. "How do I do that?" Judging by support emails, I'm surprised that most users can even get to a web page.

      The logistics nightmare has little to do with this story though. The US government has millions or even billions in tax dollars at risk. I know just our companies pay out millions in taxes.

      The move won't "kill" the adult industry, but it will sure make for headaches for some time. Every link on every site will need to be changed. All the search engine rankings will go away for a short time, which is probably a good thing considering the abuses so many webmasters have done over the years.

      The control issue for the US is a biggie. The US Government loves to have the power to tell the world what to do. For the Bush administration, they love the power to say "put this on the back burner for a couple years". Back at the tax dollar issue, if it goes past this administration, the sudden drop in tax money will be the next administration's headache, and for a federal budget that's already screwed, they can blame the next administration for any headache's that it brings on itself.

      We all know perfectly well that there will be plenty of .com sites running porn after any mandated change. We'd be more than happy to comply, and we'd ensure all of our hosted sites complied, but there will always be some winner who wants to stay with a .com for whatever reason. The biggest one I can think of right off is spam. When .com is now a "safe" TLD, spammers will get bigger returns by advertising a .com. Sure, they can lose the domain within a few days, but spammers work under that assumption now. They give themselves a window between 1 and 3 days, from when they start a spam campaign until they either have the site or their internet connection shut down. For us, if we receive a valid spam complaint, the webmaster will get their site shut down. Any provider in a major country who likes to keep in good terms with their provider does the same thing.

      All in all, it will do very little to clean up the Internet. The best way to clean up the Internet is for **USERS** to do it. Don't spend money on sites that us

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    13. Re:What good is it without enforcement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So start with the obvious stuff. If there's penetration or cumshots, it's porn. Softcore is a whole lot less important to categorize/filter/etc.

    14. Re:What good is it without enforcement by IWannaBeAnAC · · Score: 1
      But who would enforce it? Isn't this kind of content management exactly the thing that the US has been accusing others of wanting to do?

      I have no objections if the US rules that porn sites hosted in their own country have to be under .xxx, but any kind of global enforcement (especially since the question of exactly what constitutes porn has a very different answer in differnt parts of the world) is just not on!

    15. Re:What good is it without enforcement by JasonKChapman · · Score: 5, Insightful
      After say, two years, why not just refuse to resolve pr0n .com sites? The two years gives the pr0n sites plenty of time to migrate over.

      Oh, good. So who gets to decide what is pr0n and what isn't? I suspect Saudi Arabia, The Netherlands, and China, as examples, would all give you radically different definitions. Hell, New York and Alabama would give you radically different definitions. Would there be an ICANN Decency Board? Would they "know it when they saw it," or would they spend a few years trying to define it objectively?

      So what other categories of speech should be forcibly banned from the .com realm? Hmmm? Should the next discussion be about .politics or .religion?

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    16. Re:What good is it without enforcement by AndersOSU · · Score: 1

      Please mod parent up.

      Fortunately I had the good sence to read the replies to the GP before I typed almost the exact same thing.

      ICANN should not be a regulatory agency, any attempt to make them become one only bastardizes the concept of the web. Any enforcement needs to be done at a local level applying local laws, or failing that a federal one.

      The GP's suggestion is one of many ironic comments suggesting that we make the internet more US centric in an article "playing down U.S. influence."

    17. Re:What good is it without enforcement by emptycorp · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Let's face it, ICANN is ran by the same people that run the world. The NWO is real, and every presidential speech in the last several decades have proven it. Bush Sr. said it outright and his son calls it "spreading freedom" or "spreading democracy". Let's forget the ignorance in the statement "spreading democracy" which is that they are spreading a constitutional republic and not democracy, and instead focus on the world control. The internet is in the control of the NWO, it always has and always will be whether you like it or not. They control the telcom companies, they control all big businesses, they control all of the biggest and "best" universities, and they control just about everything around the world.

      You think you have freedoms? HA! I laugh at your ignorance! When was the last time you told your local police to go fuck themselves and get off your property? Where's the freedom of speech and property ownership they claim we have? What about those eminent domain cases we seem to have forgotten? You have the right to do anything you want until they tell you to stop. Failure to stop can result in death in many cases, whether "legal" or not. They control the major governments, the armed forces, the media, the largest companies, all forms of law enforcement, the education they want to serve you, how you live, what you say, what you do, even how you think and spend your own earned money.

      The greatest injustice in this world lies in the fact that 6.4 billion people are letting it happen.

      The greatest enslavement in mankind is coming, will you be ready to accept the system you let them build?

      A wise man once told me, the only freedom you have is the freedom to do what they tell you to do.

      Don't believe any of it? Pull out your wallet and look at your driver's license, grab your license plate, go look at your marriage license, your gun license. Notice how everything is licensed to us to be used how they let us, and any other use is "wrong". They are the same people who say any kind of hacking is "illegal" and "wrong or bad". They hate innovation that does not live and breath control. It's time to WAKE UP and realize the world we are living in. There are only 10's of thousands of them and billions of us. We have them overpowered, outnumbered, and one day, I can only hope, outsmarted.

    18. Re:What good is it without enforcement by AndersOSU · · Score: 1

      Less important to whom?

      Are you saying that no material depicting penetration can be art? I'd point to the kama sutra and call that art, due to its significant cultural impact and age.

      If you can't catagorize porn and notporn, what makes you think you can catagorize within the catagory?

    19. Re:What good is it without enforcement by Jaruzel · · Score: 1

      No, I said use the blacklists from the filter companies as a 'starting point'. No point re-inventing the wheel.

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    20. Re:What good is it without enforcement by monkeydo · · Score: 1

      I have no objections if the US rules that porn sites hosted in their own country have to be under .xxx, but any kind of global enforcement (especially since the question of exactly what constitutes porn has a very different answer in differnt parts of the world) is just not on!

      It was the current US DoC that was opposed to he creation of the .xxx TLD. It was other countries (read Canadians) that wanted it.

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    21. Re:What good is it without enforcement by Jaruzel · · Score: 1

      'Pr0n Site' is easy to define. Is it a pay-membership site or an amateur site, that has loads of images and/or videos for titilation or sexual gratification of the viewer. If the answer to that is 'yes' then they move over to the .xxx domain.

      That said, I agree with the reply to my previous post, where the poster suggested that the .com becomes a redirect (with no URL cloaking) to the new .xxx domain.

      Anyway this is all moot. ICANN is in the pocket of the US Government, therefore this idea will never be realised. Ironically the US Government have an irrational hate of pornography, yet seem to abhor any sensible idea to reign it in.

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    22. Re:What good is it without enforcement by lordmage · · Score: 1

      Alas... you do forget? That with a .xxx it would then be easy to filter at work and thus you cannot watch pr0n and Slashdot while drinking at work anymore in the cozy little corner office.

      Thus the amount of subscriptions to the sites go way down.. they switch back to .com and all is safe again.

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    23. Re:What good is it without enforcement by Jaruzel · · Score: 1

      No, The US should not be more involved in ICANN, but whom ever 'controls' the handing out of TLDs should be more vigilent about who gets them.

      Picture this:

      1. ICANN say to registrars 'anyone can register .com's'
      2. AnalHorseLovingWhores.com registers 'HerLittlePony.com'
      3. Little Mary (aged 8) googles for her favorite toy, and clicks on HerLittlePony.com
      4. Little Mary (aged 8) is mentally scared for life, and can no longer look her Hasbro 'Starbrite' MyLittlePony in the eye.
      5. Marys Mother sues the registrar as they were the one who 'served up' access to HerLittlePony.com

      There needs to be an organisation that is responsible for the correct usage of the TLDs. We already have restrictions on who gets a .gov or a .edu; Trying to clean up .com is a sensible next step.

      -Jar.

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    24. Re:What good is it without enforcement by jawtheshark · · Score: 1
      Is it a pay-membership site or an amateur site, that has loads of images and/or videos for titilation or sexual gratification of the viewer.

      Sexual gratification? LOL! Go back to Victorian times: showing the ankle of a woman was considered indecent. I'm pretty sure that in Afghanistan showing just the face of a woman would be considered highly pornographic. You morals are not those of the rest of the world. Look at this and ask yourself if this is pr0n. To you and me probably not, but perhaps it's already too much for people in the bible-belt, and most certainly for many Arabic countries.

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    25. Re:What good is it without enforcement by Shihar · · Score: 1

      Wow. You are a man who knows his porn. I salute you.

    26. Re:What good is it without enforcement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But who would enforce it? Isn't this kind of content management exactly the thing that the US has been accusing others of wanting to do?

      Yes, and that is pretty much why the US is opposed to .xxx, while some other countries are in favor of it!

      Rem freakin'-acu tetigisti!

    27. Re:What good is it without enforcement by mrogers · · Score: 1

      1. 8-year-olds should not have unsupervised access to the internet
      2. Porn is a subset of commerce

    28. Re:What good is it without enforcement by jahudabudy · · Score: 1

      then why don't they take cases to court when people share passwords, spread files via p2p, etc?

      Because, oddly enough, the porn industry has always been on the cutting edge of media technology. In the past, they have time and again embraced business models that utilized emergent technologies, being the first to see the profit potential in these new technologies. I think this is simply more of the same: the porn industry realizes that it is ultimately useless to fight these practices, and instead incorporates business models that admit to the inevitability of such practices.

      Of course, having said all that, I will point out that there is not really a single entity that one can refer to as representing the porn industry, merely large players in the industry that have a lot of influence on how it moves. Make a home movie, upload it, charge $1 to view it, you are now in the porn industry. I think this decentralization plays a large part in why the porn industry is so much more flexible and amenable to technological change than other industries. Porn is a potent expression of Darwinism in the free market.

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    29. Re:What good is it without enforcement by IWannaBeAnAC · · Score: 1
      It was the current US DoC that was opposed to he creation of the .xxx TLD. It was other countries (read Canadians) that wanted it.

      Yes, but I dont think they wanted it just for the purpose of regulating the hell out of it. Or at least, not for sites outside their own jurisdiction.

      By the way, did you really intend your audience to substitute "Canadians" for "other countries" ? If so, why not just write it that way in the first place? The way it is now, it looks like you are equating two concepts that are contradictory.

    30. Re:What good is it without enforcement by Chyeld · · Score: 1

      Who says they don't? I've seen people get slapped down, drop off the net and disappear, simply for posting 'for pay' content on Usenet.

      Just because they aren't in the news, doesn't mean they aren't doing it. It just happens that the *IAA's are more interested in publicity than most porn production groups.

    31. Re:What good is it without enforcement by MemeRot · · Score: 1

      HerLittlePony.com would be a contested URL by Hasbro and would be taken to WIPO for a resolution since it's an existing trademark.

      A porn site running a .com is normal, they're a commercial money making group, and ICANN refuses to even make .xxx available for their use. Where are they supposed to operate their sites? Currently anything that's commercial should operate out of .com.

      Your description is totally flawed too. You missed "Mary clicks on the Yes I'm 18 button" and "Mary enters a valid credit card number".

      The one site that I'm surprised hasn't been kicked out yet is whitehouse.com (NSFW).

    32. Re:What good is it without enforcement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, I'm pretty much just out there to corrupt.

    33. Re:What good is it without enforcement by aztracker1 · · Score: 1

      Pretty easily... have a .xxx and a .art, require all nudity in US domains be located in a .xxx, .art, .edu or .med (medical) ... that resolves porn, artistic, educational, and medical needs for nudity... the hard part would be for community sites that have profiles with nudity.. not sure about that one.

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    34. Re:What good is it without enforcement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > 'Pr0n Site' is easy to define. Is it a pay-membership site or an amateur site, that has loads of images and/or videos for titilation or sexual gratification of the viewer. If the answer to that is 'yes' then they move over to the .xxx domain.

      I myself get sexual gratification from the images at cnn.com and fully support forcing them to move to cnn.xxx

    35. Re:What good is it without enforcement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're an idiot. Clearly, you have suffered brain damage.

    36. Re:What good is it without enforcement by burndive · · Score: 1

      A better way to handle the lumping-together of porn if it is made mandatory (or even a voluntary standard) would be to make the .xxx TLD available, but also allow (and standardize) a sub-domain, sub-directory, and sub-filename for the same purpose, with the same status.

      Examples of porn labelled as such:

      www.domain.xxx
      xxx.domain.com
      www.domain.com/xxx
      www.domain.com/index.xxx.html
      www.domain.com/images/image.xxx.jpeg

      That way, if you run a website, and decide to include adult-only content, you could easily (without infrastructure changes) denote which content should be caught by the filters. There could even be a file at the domain-level (or directory level, in the case of domain/~username, etc.) that states (voluntarily) whether you are in compliance with this standard. Heck, it could even be an HTML header object.

      Filters could be configured to only filter compliant sites, or to filter out compliant sites.

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    37. Re:What good is it without enforcement by Strixy · · Score: 0

      That's a good arguement. Well said. But I think they recognize that those kids will turn 18 at some point and get credit cards...

    38. Re:What good is it without enforcement by burndive · · Score: 1

      That last "compliant" should be non-compliant. ... actually there could be an arbitrary amount of granularity to the filtering.

      The best part about this is that it's self-reporting. Every porn site wants to be able to say that they don't want children, and Uncle Seamus might want to post that nude picture on his online profile, but at the same time spare the children from scarring.

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    39. Re:What good is it without enforcement by Teun · · Score: 1
      Porn site users are your average user. Tell your average user to update their bookmarks, and they'll give you a technical blank stare.

      Uhh, how to type one handed?

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    40. Re:What good is it without enforcement by Lew+Payne · · Score: 1

      Pornographers, who make far more money from adults with credit cards than kids, can choose to be filtered out more easily from kids, thus wasting a lot less bandwidth on the kids who can't pay for anything anyway." There already exist filtering tools for such things, and despite the fact they've been around for years and have had wide publicity, said tools are under-utilized. The ".xxx" domain will still require tools to filter it from kids. We don't need another tool... what we need is mandatory legislation that if you're going to have a computer in the house within reach of kids, you must put a "trigger lock" on it (in the form of one of the existing tools). If we did it with handguns, we can do it with computers.

    41. Re:What good is it without enforcement by KDR_11k · · Score: 1

      There is a legal definition of "pornography" out there, that should be applied.

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    42. Re:What good is it without enforcement by Jaruzel · · Score: 1

      Your description is totally flawed too. You missed "Mary clicks on the Yes I'm 18 button" and "Mary enters a valid credit card number".

      Because of course, EVERY pr0n site has those options on their front page.

      (That's sarcasm btw)

      -Jar.

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    43. Re:What good is it without enforcement by Kadin2048 · · Score: 1

      Wow, that's the worst idea I've ever heard.

      How about people actually talk to their kids about what is and isn't appropriate for them to be looking at on the internet? Put the computer someplace where they'll actually be surrounded by people when they're using it. In general, how about parents -- oh, I don't know -- parent?

      It's a bad idea in the same way that mandatory trigger locks are a bad idea: it fails to encourage parents to do what they ought and need to do, that is, if they're going to have a gun in the house, sit down with their kids and explain what they are, how they're used, and what they should do if they come across one. When you take the illicit curiosity factor out of the equation, a gun is just a piece of metal.

      I grew up in a house that had enough guns and ammunition in it to equip a small South American junta, and I never -- not once -- went looking for a gun. I knew what they were, I knew what they did, I had a fair idea of where they were kept, I even knew how to unload one if I found it lying on the ground. And I never was particularly interested in any of it, because there wasn't any mystery to be uncovered. Go through my old man's liquor cabinet -- guilty; go through the gun box? Never bothered. (And in retrospect, if my parents had an attitude on alcohol that was more like they had about firearms, I probably wouldn't have done the former, either.)

      You can't legislate good parenting any more than you can legislate common sense. In fact less so, because when you give parents a crutch, they'll tend to use it, especially if it lets them avoid having a meaningful (but often uncomfortable for them) conversation with their child.

      Furthermore, I think the "risk of damage" that children incur as a result of simply looking at or reading things, either on the net or elsewhere, is greatly exaggerated by both the media and our society in general. The biggest risk of the internet, IMO, is that a kid will meet some sort of pedophile or stalker, and they're a lot more likely to do that in a teen- or child-oriented forum or on Instant Messenger or email than on a porn site. Are you going to block kids from signing up for GMail accounts? How about lying about their age and joining a bulletin board?

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    44. Re:What good is it without enforcement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I suspect Saudi Arabia, The Netherlands, and China, as examples, would all give you radically different definitions. Hell, New York and Alabama would give you radically different definitions

      I can imageine pr0n in Saudi, Netherlands, China, New York and Alabama, but in Hell....?

      What is pr0n like in Hell?

      Dubbya and Limbaugh doggie-style?

    45. Re:What good is it without enforcement by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      I think the idea is not to force them to use .xxx but to allow them to use it. If a business is legitimately selling sex, I think they would be eager to have a .xxx domain.

      How do you figure, when they know they'll end up in more blacklists than a chinese spam-zombie.

    46. Re:What good is it without enforcement by JWSmythe · · Score: 1


          You know, it's a job. I get up every morning, check a bunch of reports, and get into my administrative and programming tasks, just like a decent portion of the folks on here.

          Before I worked here, I worked for a mainstream hosting company. 8 (or so) years ago, we had 30,000 customers. They sucked up a whopping 4Mb/s of bandwidth.. It was a good size hosting company.

          When I switched over to working for an adult company, it was a complete shock. No, not the porn part, because I don't even look at that. Just the fact that any given site gets so much traffic. We had a single T3 at the time, which grew dramatically. I have 4 GigE circuits at my disposal, and will be adding more in soon. The growth is in the user base. More and more people are coming to the site, because that's what they want.

          Look at it this way. Slashdot is ranked #849 on Alexa. Voyeurweb is ranked #319. Pick any of your favorite sites, and you'll find the majority have lower traffic? Do you know why? Because people view porn. The odd part about porn is that most people deny publically that they view it. You posted the safe response. "ooh, who cares", but judging by that response, you are a viewer. If not of our site, of another porn site. That, or you buy porn PPV on cable, or have an extensive magazine and/or DVD collection.

          If people viewed mainstream sites more than porn, well, I'd be working at a mainstream company.

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    47. Re:What good is it without enforcement by tehwebguy · · Score: 1

      the industry would never go for that. they don't want to have their own little section of the web where you can go to if you want pr0n. some people don't know they want pr0n until they first see it

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    48. Re:What good is it without enforcement by burndive · · Score: 1

      That's the beauty of this solution. There is no "little section" of the web. There are only domains, directories, and filenames, which can be constructed in such a way as to easily label the content. It's still just a click away. If you wish to not be in people's faces with your pr0n, you can simply "label" it as such, and you've done your due diligence. I am not for forcing anyone to label anything if they don't want to, and indeed there is not practical way to do so, given the subjective nature of pornography. I completely reject the idea that porn sites should have the moral right-of-way to trick you into looking at their content in order to create a market for it. I agree that many people aren't attracted to porn until they first see it, and find that they enjoy it. To me, the desirable outcome is that those who don't actively (or passively) seek it out (and CERTAINLY those who put a filter in place on their browser--which could be as simple in functionality as the Flashblock Firefox extension) should not bombarded with porn solicitations. Those who take no action get the current status quo. Similar arguments exist for the undesirability of spammers and telemarketers, despite the fact that they think it limits their "free speech". Any *ISP* that filters URIs containing 'xxx' loses its common carrier status, and is responsible for *all* content that goes across its network. Even if you live in Utah, your ISP (if it is still a true ISP) will still not be able to block your favorite porn site.

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    49. Re:What good is it without enforcement by JWSmythe · · Score: 1


      My impact on the world. Hmmmmm....

      There's a long explanation I was told about the impact of porn on the world.

      The major reason that home video players, cameras, and cable TV exist are pornography. The reason the Internet is the scale that it is, is due to pornography. Of course, it goes much farther back than this, but we'll stick with modern examples.

      Before home video players were available, people read their smut magazines, go to peep shows, or visit their local house of ill repute. When VCR's hit the market, there was no such thing as Blockbuster. VHS and/or Betamax porn was available by mail order, or shared between friends. Major motion picture companies got into the business, and it thrived, but every video store had it's "adult" section.

      For Joe consumer, it's hard to explain that he had something in the home for the exclusive reason of watching porn. Now that major motion pictures were available, he could buy the video player, with the "reason" of buying it to entertain the kids. The real reason was so he could watch something which was much better than looking at still pictures in a magazine, and not need to visit a peep show or whore house.

      The first DVD's I saw on the market were in adult video stores. This was not a small market either. It's a multi-billion dollar industry. Most homes had a DVD player on their computer before they had one for the living room.

      The Internet itself is the size it is, because of pornography. Sending text messages and email are trivia and low bandwidth, but people digitized and shared their favorite pictures, and wanted to send them around. We'd still be operating on a collection of T1's if it weren't for the 'need' to send large pictures and movies around.

      I was monitoring one of the major search engines for years, to see what keywords people were searching for. Most of the top 10 single words related to free porn. "free sex pic picture pictures". More of the top 10 were "a and the of warez".

      Why do hosting companies have GigE and high end OC lines? Because the demand exists. If the demand for traffic didn't exist, the technology would have never been innovated. Streaming media is a great example of this. It showed up on porn sites first. It then started showing up on mainstream sites. You wouldn't be able to watch news clips on CNN if it weren't for the technology being developed by porn sites.

      So, what have *I* personally done? I've contributed patches to several popular software packages and loaned out our high load servers to projects to test in high load environments. I've written some amazing software, and when the time was right, shared with indivduals who could use it. When I give out software and/or programming examples, I always tell the people I give them to "feel free to share this." I've seen plenty of my programming show up in other places.

      The company I work for has contributed itself. We've paid out millions of dollars to our Tier 1 providers for bandwidth. We also communicate with them frequently regarding bandwidth problems. When we risk having a few million screaming customers, it's better for us to let the bandwidth provider know of existing problems. We've also spent a small fortune for hardware. When we put in an order for hardware, we usually shock the vendor. "Hey, I need 50 high end 1u servers". That's not a typical order for most companies. We do it rather frequently.

      It's due to companies like ours that online credit card processing is at the state that it is now. We pass millions of dollars through online payment gateways. They know they must make the technology work well, if they expect to make their percentage of the sales. Even credit card companies have made a tremendous profit due to our work. It's no

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  3. Multiple languages by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Using multiple languages for browsing would only create a huge mess in the internet....

    1. Re:Multiple languages by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 1
      > Using multiple languages for browsing would only create a huge mess in the internet....

      Thank goodness everyone speaks English!

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    2. Re:Multiple languages by rewinn · · Score: 1

      >Thank goodness everyone speaks English!

      ... 'cept fer those of us who speak American.

      Although ... before long, there will be more English-speaking people in China than in Britain and more English-speaking people in India than in the USA, so should we rename "English" to "West Indian" or to "Alt-Chinese"?

    3. Re:Multiple languages by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      "..'cept fer those of us who speak American."

      Well, of late, I think they call that Spanish..

      :-)

      I was amazed last Sunday...went to the French Quarter...walked on Canal St...and didn't hear a word of English spoken. Was surreal...nothing but migrant workers walking around down there on Canal St.

      I kind of miss the 'melting pot' that it used to be....

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  4. .Asia by dancingmad · · Score: 1, Insightful

    CANN's board of directors appears to favor a proposal for a new set of Internet addresses that end in .Asia, which would more easily identify Asia-focused Web sites.

    Translate: They all look alike so we should give'em one domain.

    Honestly, what the hell is this? It seems like this would be far more useful in Europe where most people speak another European language.

    What is Asia? Is it from India to Japan? Just north-east Asia (Japan, China, Korea, and the smaller nations - which was my first guess)? South-east Asia too? Even in the limited area I can'ts eee the point: there is interest in each country in a neighboring language (I knew Korean nationals in the U.S. taking Japanese and many of the Japanese I know here in Japan know or are learning Chinese or Korean) but it's hardly wide spread.

    ICANN is the king of dumb ideas and this is a solution looking for a problem.

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    1. Re:.Asia by code65536 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What's so dumb about the idea? ICANN creates the TLD. Website visitors and owners then decide for themselves what is "Asian" and what is not.

      If you look at .com, a lot of .com sites are not commercial. The de facto meaning of .com is determined freely and organicly by the masses of operators and visitors, and the ICANN specs only provide something of a suggested meaning. I think that the same can work here to great effect.

    2. Re:.Asia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Asia starts East of the Bosphorus in Turkey, you uneducated twit.

    3. Re:.Asia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "What is Asia?" New to planet earth? Welcmoe, I can help. Asia is a c-o-n-t-i-n-e-n-t. Dictionary.com or Wikipedia can give you the definition. "Is it from India to Japan?" Part of it, yes. "Just north-east Asia (Japan, China, Korea, and the smaller nations - which was my first guess)?" "South-east Asia too?" See where it says "Asia" after south-east? What do you think that means? See how easy thinking is? Try it.

    4. Re:.Asia by Al+Dimond · · Score: 1

      The more TLDs there are, the more money someone can make selling companies the same names they already have under other TLDs.

      That's my impression at least; I don't really know much about DNS.

    5. Re:.Asia by d3funct · · Score: 0

      Let's not forget all the "little countries" in between, like Russia, Turkmenistan, Tadzhikistan, Uzbekistan (all the other stans), Bengladesh, Georgia...Well, suffice to say, a LOT of other Asian countries.
          But, ICANN is in it for the $$, so I'd be willing to bet they'll sell .asia accounts to whomever wants one. Just as has been said before, .com is no longer just for commercial sites, any more than .org is for organizations.

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  5. ICANN is US. by dascandy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    From the article: "CANN's board of directors appears to favor a proposal for a new set of Internet addresses that end in .Asia, which would more easily identify Asia-focused Web sites."

    So... if I understand correctly, the closer people are to the USA, the easier their domain names will be. Compare:

    XYZ.com -> US company
    XYZ.co.uk -> UK company
    XYZ.co.cn.asia -> Chinese company

    What about universities in other countries? Governments? Militaries?

    ICANN: Start getting a little bit international, postfix all .com, .gov, .edu etc. domains with .us. That at least makes it fair for the rest of the world. What's the point of .asia btw? just keep using .cn.

    1. Re:ICANN is US. by Easy2RememberNick · · Score: 1

      If that isn't favouritism towards their own country I don't know what is. Hoggin all the best tlds. They're biased up to their eyballs!

        Let's see... http://www.mit.edu.us.americas/

    2. Re:ICANN is US. by C10H14N2 · · Score: 2, Informative

      What about universities in other countries? Governments? Militaries?

      The existing tld system works just fine for this, we just don't use ".us" much in this country so it isn't as apparent. For instance, the city of Los Angeles website is "www.ci.la.ca.us" rather than "los-angeles.gov," much the same way Imperial College is ic.ac.uk or Stellenbosch University is sun.ac.za or the Australian Football league is afl.com.au.

      Each country code tld is controlled by the country thus assigned and they can do what they want with it. This is a non-problem and one that makes the whole "ICANN controls the world" argument laughable. People are just needlessly obsessed with the handful of overused and often misused tlds like com, org and net. However, I agree, .asia is a lame idea, but the problem of admitting other alphabets is very non-trivial and of great value.

    3. Re:ICANN is US. by dapyx · · Score: 1

      XYZ.us -> US company

      XYZ.eu -> UK company

      XYZ.asia -> Chinese company

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    4. Re:ICANN is US. by 1u3hr · · Score: 1

      XYZ.us -> US company
      XYZ.eu -> UK company
      XYZ.asia -> Chinese company


      What about the French, German, Dutch; Japanese, Korean, Thai...

      And what's wrong with the current:
      XYZ.co.uk -> UK company

      XYZ.com.cn -> Chinese company?

    5. Re:ICANN is US. by dapyx · · Score: 1

      Nothing wrong. It's just that often people want to have their site for a whole region, not one in each country.

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    6. Re:ICANN is US. by 1u3hr · · Score: 1
      Nothing wrong. It's just that often people want to have their site for a whole region, not one in each country.

      Still, why "asia"? An international company can easily do it all within one domain, eg japan.xyz.com, china.xyz.com, east.xyz.com, etc. each entity can create whatever subdomains seem sensible to it, without having to mess around with registrars, fighting with domain squatters, etc. A new continental TLD is unlikely to be the perfect match for every or even many companies. So it will become a generic domain, and we already have .com for that.

    7. Re:ICANN is US. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > ICANN: Start getting a little bit international, postfix all .com, .gov, .edu etc. domains with .us. That at least makes it fair for the rest of the world.

      Classic liberal "solution": let's make it more difficult for people who don't need it to be, so at least everyone is equal in their frustration.

    8. Re:ICANN is US. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So... if I understand correctly, the closer people are to the USA, the easier their domain names will be. Compare:

      XYZ.com -> US company
      XYZ.co.uk -> UK company
      XYZ.co.cn.asia -> Chinese company


      I personally favor...

      XYZ.christian --> Christian religious information
      XYZ.buddha.asia --> Buddhist religious information
      XYZ.treehuggers.africa --> Primal-Indigenous religous information
      XYZ.islam.arabs.oil --> Islamic information
      XYZ.flying-spagetti-monster.commies.devils.unameri cans --> Alternative religious information

      XYZ.us (Webpages about Real Freedom)
      XYZ.without-freedom-fries.europe (Webpages about Semi Freedom)
      XYZ.dictators.clients.arms-industry.us (Webpages about Oppression)

      XYZ.movies (Webpages having license to distribute movies, purchaseable for $1.5 million from Hollywood Blockbusters Inc)
      XYZ.bollywood-french-and-kungfu.india.asia (Webpages distributing non-Hollywood crap, $0.5 million license purchaseable from the mentioned corporation)
      XYZ.pirated-movies.satan.osama.environmentalists.t errorists.commies.devils.unamericans (Webpages distributing movies without license)

      Sounds great to me!

    9. Re:ICANN is US. by Ian+Wolf · · Score: 1
      Exactly!

      Does anyone really believe this is going to make the Internet a better place? The only thing dumber than a .asia tld is the idea of a .xxx tld. What was the line of thinking when somebody proposed either of these two tld's?

      • "Oh good this will free up www.hotpussylickingsluts.com for a clean, family-friendly web site."
      • "This opens the door for www.microsoft.xxx. A site for people who want to see naked men getting out of very cold water."


      Just in case it might be approved, I'll save the bookmark for www.hotchicksfrom.asia.

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    10. Re:ICANN is US. by Kadin2048 · · Score: 1

      Then for those cases you keep the regular '.com' TLD alive as the more "generic" one.

      For instance, if you were a UK based company looking to reach globally, you could be 'xyz.com' while if you were a more nationally-focused operation, you could get 'xyz.co.uk'. That way if people were searching and only wanted to see local companies, they could search within the '.uk' TLD.

      I don't think there's anything prohibiting a UK company, or anyone else for that matter, from going out and getting a regular .com domain name; it's just that a lot of companies don't because that namespace is more crowded and you're more likely to get a short name by going through your country's TLD. It's there choice; I'm sure the domain registrars would be more than happy to sell you a .com, .org. or .net domain even if you're international. They're not, at least to my knowledge, exclusively US addresses. It's just that most of the addresses in that space are for historical reasons US-based. (And because there's no .co.us right now.)

      Your suggestion is exactly why we should keep supranational, generic TLDs around: not everyone and everything ought to be country-specific. Big companies, international organizations, and websites that don't have a particular geographic focus all have a need for non-geographic TLDs. It's also reasonable to assume that the supra-national TLD will always be more crowded than the local ones, forcing people to make a decision: "do I want to get 'foobarsbestgadgetsinc.com' or 'foobar.co.ch'?"

      The only steps that need to happen are that we need a co.us namespace, so that US-based sites who don't need a .com TLD aren't forced to get one (and I think you'd find that companies will, eventually, use this, as they can get better names) and we need to make sure that international users can buy .com domain names as easily as US users can. Nobody has to force anyone to use any particular TLD (and shouldn't). If you create the system correctly, people will use the TLDs that fit them best.

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    11. Re:ICANN is US. by dascandy · · Score: 1

      Before you send that proposal to ICANN, let me buy a few shares in TinyURL...

    12. Re:ICANN is US. by dascandy · · Score: 1

      You're missing the point. .gov is only for the US government. .edu is a US university. .mil is the US military.

      What's not-US about that? It's like implicitly stating "Since everybody is in .us you don't have to type that. Even when you're not in it.".

    13. Re:ICANN is US. by dascandy · · Score: 1

      well... .us would suffice to determine it (within this earth).

      Better yet, make the .us part implicit in the US only. Make website owners always use the .us extension for linking and make your browser implicitly post-pending the .us. Then, you can change that to another country and it'll still work, with local government, education, military and so on!...

      If only the ICANN and the entire internet was mine to command.

  6. ICANN acts very strangely by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They just open up more and more domain extensions. This is a damn organization, not a corporation. Why are they trying to find new ways to milk money from everyone?

    In my opinion, ICANN is behaving like somekind of mafia.

  7. Re:God damn it by Jotii · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Our parents might be logging keyboard input and searching the logs. Yes, I know I'm paranoid.

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  8. UTF-8 domain names? by omeg · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Isn't it possible to abuse UTF-8 domain names for activities such as cybersquatting? It's easy to mistake www.microsöft.com for www.microsoft.com.

    (Actually, that's not so easy, but some my browser turned some of the more complicated UTF-8 characters into question marks.)

    1. Re:UTF-8 domain names? by M.+Baranczak · · Score: 4, Informative

      Isn't it possible to abuse UTF-8 domain names for activities such as cybersquatting? It's easy to mistake www.microsöft.com for www.microsoft.com.

      It's worse than that. For example: there are several characters in the Cyrillic script which look exactly like Roman characters, like C, K, O, P, M, H... But of course they have different Unicode character values. So a malicious individual could register microsoft.com using a blend of Roman and Cyrillic characters, and it would look completely undistinguishable from the real thing. There are a number of ways to protect against that, but none of them are particularly good.

    2. Re:UTF-8 domain names? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And there also isn't a good way to distinguish "paypa1" from "paypal", or "rnicrosoft" from "microsoft". These problems are in fact MORE serious than the "identical-looking" letters you cite, since there are very easy ways to fix multi-script attacks (highlighting URLs that mix certain scripts with known duplicates, problem solved), but there's no such easy way to fix similar-looking letters within ASCII, and that problem is HERE, NOW, TODAY, and ACTUALLY BEING EXPLOITED BY CRIMINALS AS WE SPEAK.

      Newsflash - no cure found for carelessness! Film at 10.

  9. Unicode URLs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Isn't there some security risk when it comes to displaying unicode characters in a URL, along the lines of the character may not be what it looks like?

  10. Reasons not to do .xxx by code65536 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If ICANN wants to play down the influence of the US government, something that it could do is to provide rationale for what it is doing that come from a neutral and respected source. For example, the US Gov't says .xxx is bad. ICANN agrees. People are in uproar. ICANN then says *why* they agree with the US Gov't and state reasons that are neutrally-rooted as to why. For example, they can cite this thing by the IETF (on last check, a fairly neutral group, not tied with the US Gov't): http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3675.txt

    1. Re:Reasons not to do .xxx by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That rfc writes about the proposal to make it MANDATORY for pornography websites to be in their own domain, so isn't particularly relevant in this situation.

  11. So The Anti-English/US Foot-Shooting Begins by RobotRunAmok · · Score: 2, Funny

    When your Continental Pride results in less traffic to Ninglenongle.asia than it did to the original, KoreanGameCompany.com, you'll just have to compensate by taking out bigger, longer, more expository ads on the *.com sites. Works for me. Or maybe you'll need multiple sites, one from which to promote your product and make money, and others through which your political correctness and cultural diversity may be flaunted. All Good, as far as our Western tech economy resurgence is concerned.

    Vive le Difference! or something...

    1. Re:So The Anti-English/US Foot-Shooting Begins by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Whoah. You do know that there are, like, quite a lot of people who speak Chinese, Japanese and Korean? About one-and-a-half billion first-language speakers. Compared to about 350 million first-language English speakers. Oh, and about a billion Indians, too, speaking and writing various Indian languages. And about three hundred million Pakistanis and Bengalis, with their own non-English script languages.

      You might not know it, or like it, but you are in the minority group here.

    2. Re:So The Anti-English/US Foot-Shooting Begins by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All Good, as far as our Western tech economy resurgence is concerned.

      So in other words, the western tech economy is so far in the shitter, you have to beg for $10 domain name registrations for sites that will be hosted in Korea to save it?

  12. Cool by 4D6963 · · Score: 1
    That's cool that the ICANN tries to show how independant it is, cuz it kinda sucks if the US government decides things for the whole world.

    However, about that international URL thing, does it mean, that there may be non-asci urls, even unicode urls?? may be a mess, mostly because those characters are not always cross-pltform compatible. I'm mostly thinking about such non-ASCII characters as à ù é è that are not compatible for example between Mac OS and Windows, if there's such a character in a URL, it may be a mess...

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    1. Re:Cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Which is why they are using Unicode to implement IDNs (encoded as ASCII-coded "Punycode"-compressed data on the wire); the incompatibility problems you are talking about are related to old 8-bit encodings.

    2. Re:Cool by aconkling · · Score: 1

      What the world needs now,
      Is Unicode, sweet Unicode,
      It's the only thing that there's just too little of.
      What the world needs now,
      Is Unicode, sweet Unicode,
      No, not just for some but for everyone.

    3. Re:Cool by 4D6963 · · Score: 1

      yeah, yeah, maybe. still, it would be weird to have Unicode URLs. However, if they were Unicode, then forget about the à é è incompatibility problems i talked about earlier.

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  13. Why does the rest of the world object? by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 4, Insightful
    The U.S. government is only trying to protect the children. (CNet story about Bush admin putting a halt to .xxx TLD)

    Seriously, if the TLD structure is subject to influence from 6,000 "letters of concern" from the U.S. Christian Right, what is the message to the rest of the world? That's right - "you have every reason to be concerned about sole U.S. control of ICANN".

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    1. Re:Why does the rest of the world object? by TMH0 · · Score: 0

      I also fail to see how this is "protecting the children". I mean, if most porn sites get lumped under the .xxx domain, writing blocking software or rules suddenly becomes far easier.

    2. Re:Why does the rest of the world object? by greg_barton · · Score: 1

      Seriously, if the TLD structure is subject to influence from 6,000 "letters of concern" from the U.S. Christian Right, what is the message to the rest of the world?

      Well, there's influence, and then there's control.

      For example, read this excellent post on why the XXX domain would be horrible for porn sites. It would be highly chaotic to switch over, and many porn sites would go down in the ensuing confusion and resulting lack of income. But do the fundies think that far ahead? No. They're blinded by their idealism and think that by allowing the XXX domain they'd be somehow be giving their blessing to porn. They won't do what it takes to get what they want.

      So they have influence, but they give up true control.

    3. Re:Why does the rest of the world object? by Syberghost · · Score: 1

      If the .xxx domain is created, it will most likely serve no purpose whatsoever, except to be a new income stream for domain registrars.

      If it were to be enforced and thus useful, however, it would instead require international enforcement of the lowest (in terms of freedom) common denominator of anti-free-speech laws. In other words, every participating country would be ensuring that the "community standards" of, say, Singapore, Saudi Arabia, and China were enforced on the web sites of, say, Sweden, France, the UK, Canada, the US, etc.

      How dare the Bush administration take a stand against something so clearly progressive. *snort*

  14. The rest of the world seems to be forgetting... by voice_of_all_reason · · Score: 2, Funny

    If you're not with America, you're against us.

    //too subtle?

    1. Re:The rest of the world seems to be forgetting... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      > //too subtle?

      Yah. If you're not with us, you're with the terrrrists.

    2. Re:The rest of the world seems to be forgetting... by Easy2RememberNick · · Score: 1

      FYI, remember America is a continent not a country.

    3. Re:The rest of the world seems to be forgetting... by gstoddart · · Score: 2, Insightful
      If you're not with America, you're against us.

      Allow me to clarify this statement ...

      If you're not taking orders from America, you're against us.

      The current administration gets snippy with anyone who doesn't just summarily do what they think is best, or blindly nod their head and wag their tail.

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    4. Re:The rest of the world seems to be forgetting... by east+coast · · Score: 1

      The current administration gets snippy with anyone who doesn't just summarily do what they think is best

      Name me an industrial nation that doesn't think this way? What about France trying to sue Yahoo or Amazon to get content taken off Yahoo or Amazon's servers that is deemed inapropriate in France? If that isn't getting snippy I don't know what is.

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    5. Re:The rest of the world seems to be forgetting... by AoT · · Score: 1

      FYI, North America and South America are continent; however I have never heard of this continent called America. America is what people in the US call our country.

    6. Re:The rest of the world seems to be forgetting... by monkeydo · · Score: 1

      Really? I think your map is broken. The continent of "America" isn't on any modern map I can find. However, "The United States of America" is on all of them. I defy you to find one educated english speaker in the world who doesn't know that "America" and "The United States of America" are used interchangeably.

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    7. Re:The rest of the world seems to be forgetting... by gstoddart · · Score: 1
      Name me an industrial nation that doesn't think this way? What about France trying to sue Yahoo or Amazon to get content taken off Yahoo or Amazon's servers that is deemed inapropriate in France? If that isn't getting snippy I don't know what is.

      It's one thing to regulate how companies conduct business in your country.

      It's another thing to do this with other nations.

      The current US administration is doing the latter.
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    8. Re:The rest of the world seems to be forgetting... by pablo.cl · · Score: 1

      América (ie the Americas) is considered to be only one continent in Spanish speaking countries. Probably all the modern maps you can find are meade in the US.

    9. Re:The rest of the world seems to be forgetting... by east+coast · · Score: 1

      It's one thing to regulate how companies conduct business in your country.

      IIRC France wanted web companies like e-bay, yahoo and amazon to remove content from their pages. This is not regulating how a company does business in a country; it's an attempt to push their morals on others. Granted, I think the XXX thing is the same too but if you're looking for an alternative I think you're going to need to dig deep to find one.

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    10. Re:The rest of the world seems to be forgetting... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      however I have never heard of this continent called America.

      Then it's time you got an education. There are a number of naming conventions for continents. Approaches including a continent of America are amongst the mainstream ones. The on this is actually quite decent, but by all means check it against other reference works.

      Personally I favor a simple four continent model: Antarctica, America, Africa-Eurasia, Australia. There are, however, good arguments for the others.

    11. Re:The rest of the world seems to be forgetting... by Bake · · Score: 1

      France did that because Yahoo and Amazon had legal presence in France, i.e. set up as companies in those countries. Those FRENCH branches just like every other legal entity in France have to follow FRENCH LAWS.

      The French authorities simply requested that the content be removed from the FRENCH content providers (amazon.fr, yahoo.fr).

      Just as US authorities have the right to request that illegal content be removed from US content providers.

      This is just like US authorities have the right to make sure that foreign companies with legal presence in the US obey US laws.

      You don't think that Shell, a Dutch company gets away with breaking US laws just because they're a foreign company in the US?

    12. Re:The rest of the world seems to be forgetting... by monkeydo · · Score: 1

      Well, I found this map and these which seem to suggest that even spanish speakers refer to the continents as north and south america. And of course, I did limit my comment to English speakers, which should include all of /. readers.

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    13. Re:The rest of the world seems to be forgetting... by AoT · · Score: 1

      I have, in fact, read quite a bit of history; and have still never seen it refered to as America. Sometimes "The Americas". This included geography classes, at a collegiate level nonetheless. It seems from the article that english speaking people are generally tought that there are two continents in America.

      On another note. I think the 6 continent Eurasia naming convention is the most to my liking; I always have wondered why they did not count as the same continent.

    14. Re:The rest of the world seems to be forgetting... by east+coast · · Score: 1

      Odd, I didn't realize that ALL yahoo servers were in France.

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    15. Re:The rest of the world seems to be forgetting... by Easy2RememberNick · · Score: 1

      The Northern region of the continent of America is referred to as North America the central part as Central America, the south part is South America. Mexico is sometimes referred to as Middle America. The continent is America and yes you can find references to it with a simple Google search. As for non-Internet references you'll have to go to your local library or bookstore. How can you have a north, south or cental part of something that doesn't exist? Why isn't the north part of the continent called the Northern Americas?

        If the word "America" in United States of America has no connection to the continent of America(which did come first) that would be odd. North America would be confusing since that would mean it was part of the America part of the US.

        If a country, made up of different states, joined together and they were part of the continent of America they would be the United States of America.

        The continent America was first obviously that's where the name comes from. Even if you use the word Americas and if that is a plural word then there would be many parts to America, the continent.

  15. However... by AthenianGadfly · · Score: 4, Funny

    "The ICANN (the company that distributes most of the world's internet addresses) is denying that it gives the US government too much control over its operations."

    Immediately after the denial, however, they added, "But please don't tell the government we said that."

  16. Re:The real reason we didn't get .xxx by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    /& thanks for that update! I didn't know!

  17. Further news by pubjames · · Score: 4, Funny

    Today ICANN announced that they would create a ".arab" top level domain name, to reassure the world that they were not overly influenced by the US government. "We think a .arab domain name would allow arabs to more easily identify arab focused web sites, and demonstrates that at ICANN we don't just focus on the US, but also we try to accomodate less significant countries, like Europe, Canada and Arab places like Iraq." The spokesman added "I'm sure it will also help the fight against terrorism".

    1. Re:Further news by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      They should create a .terrorist domain - that way The War Against Terror can be fought simply by arresting anyone who registers a domain.

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  18. Who pays the bills by canuck57 · · Score: 2, Informative

    is denying that it gives the US government too much control over its operations.

    ICANN seems to forget some things, it is wholy supported by the US government on US soil. The UN does not contribute a red cent to it's operations.

    I would not underestimate the US influence, but nor do I fear it.

    1. Re:Who pays the bills by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would not underestimate the US influence, but nor do I fear it.

      Mutter that to yourself as you are flown, bound and gagged with a sack on your head, to the CIAs latest East European torture facility.

    2. Re:Who pays the bills by Yokaze · · Score: 2, Informative

      > ICANN seems to forget some things, it is wholy supported by the US government on US soil.

      What do you mean by supported? If you mean by "supported", the current state of things is supported (preferred) by the US government, then you are right. If you mean with "supported" paid, then maybe you can show me in the budget the paycheck is listed, because I can't find it.

      From what I've heard, 2/3 of the funding of the ICANN comes from Europe.

      > I would not underestimate the US influence, but nor do I fear it.

      Which people rebelled against taxation without representation? And why? Because they feared the English influence?

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  19. .Asia? by Generic+Guy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Does anybody else find it as preposterous as do I, that to identify far eastern sites they want to use .asia which is a completely western-centric delineation and uses a western alphabet?

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    1. Re:.Asia? by 4D6963 · · Score: 1

      yup, as if germans had .ge instead of .de

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    2. Re:.Asia? by jrumney · · Score: 1

      But what alphabet would you use? Who the hell is going to use this domain anyway? Each country has its own domain already, and its not like there's an Asian Union of cooperating states. It looks pretty patronizing to me to suggest this as a solution to anything.

    3. Re:.Asia? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What I find preposterous is that you seem to be suggesting that we should use a character-based language for our domain name system. That, my friend, is why women scoff at you and men spit on you.

      You are an intellectual abortion.

    4. Re:.Asia? by anaesthetica · · Score: 1
      Perhaps, but with all the historical disputed between the various Asian countries, is there any chance at all that they could agree on a common name or alphabet/script in which to put the TLD? Not a snowball's chance in hell.

      The Japanese would want it one way. The South Koreans would call them imperialist. The Chinese would protest because the Japanese domain was militaristic and suggest their own domain. Taiwan would feel obligated to make its own suggestion. China would get pissed off. North Korea would interject with some bizarre non-sequitur. South East Asia would try to find a joint name but couldn't reconcile between the Buddhists, Catholics, and Muslims. India, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh and Pakistan would blow each other up before agreeing on a common TLD. Central Asia doesn't know what the internet is. And the Arab countries would blame Israel for the disunity, while Israel took the U.S. position.

  20. Forget .Asia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How about .Nigeria, so we can make sure we receive offers to smuggle ill-gotten loot out of the country?

  21. I was wrong by zappepcs · · Score: 1

    In light of the comments about my comments on the .xxx TLD, I now agree that .asia would be stupid, as would .xxx for all the good reasons stated. ICANN will no more be able to pigeon hole web content by TLD than the USPTO will be able to issue intelligent decisions on software patents. It will work a little, but the consequences are more likely to be bad. Even if these special TLDs allow site owners to pigeon-hole their content by identifying with the .xxx or .asia domains, it does not mean that these would be useful for more than that.

    The issue of different languages is tricky too. If different languages are supported in DNS, wouldn't that require OS/Browser to inherently support multiple languages? I also hate to think what Korean would look like on a URL. (no offense is meant) It would be very different from the current 'norm' and would cause some issues I think. If you go to a PC manufacturer's site, and it redirects you to one with Korean or Mandarin characters and your browser rejects it, you will end up with errors. Of course, the PC maker should build the site(s) so they work with all countries, but still it would cause issues.

    I think all of this needs some more thought before implementation. The gov. works pretty well, as do other combinations, so perhaps a combination like that would work better???? .asia.xxx for pornographic anime????

  22. Re:God damn it by alexandreracine · · Score: 3, Funny

    and it should not be .xxx or .com but .cum

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  23. Sure, whatever... by Chaffar · · Score: 1
    For instance, in August, many countries weren't happy about a proposal to have porn sites' Web addresses end in .xxx, rather than .com. But only one government, the United States, was able to actually intercede and eventually scuttle the plan, even though the plan had ICANN's backing.

    ICANN? You CANNT do sh*t... Play down U.S influence all you like, it's just not true. When you claim to be an international player, you just can't afford to not have the largest economy in the world on your side, fact. Even if ICANN was based in Yerevan, Armenia, it would still be heavily influenced by the U.S.

    1. Re:Sure, whatever... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well then, I guess it better move to china soon.

  24. it's poorly defined by fantomas · · Score: 2, Interesting

    My criticism is that .asia would be a poorly defined TLD. There are many opinions about what constitutes "asia" - is Australia included? how about Israel? what about eastern Russia?

    The existing .com may be poorly policed but that's a different issue: perhaps ICANN needs to learn lessons about how to hand out TLDs. The new .eu seems to be allocated with a little more caution as we speak.

    Also I think the hierarchy of domains needs to be sorted out. It would be a lot easier if all USA based sites used .us for a start. Should .asia sites have country.asia? like .cn.asia? if so should US companies have .com.us.[continent - I guess .na?] ?

    1. Re:it's poorly defined by Jugalator · · Score: 1

      Yeah, what I dislike most about ICANN is their inconsistency.

      They're now opening for .eu -- European Union, in other words. Not the continent, the organization. Countries belong to Europe may not be able to register under .eu if they aren't members of the EU. There's no .euro. There may be a .asia according to these news. There are no plans for a .africa, despite the entire Africa is far from "deserts and poor people". There's nothing for North America or South America. There are for museums and airports.

      What's next, a domain for .nato instead of having nato.int for NATO member countries, along with a domain for restaurants?

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    2. Re:it's poorly defined by 1u3hr · · Score: 1
      Should .asia sites have country.asia? like .cn.asia? if so should US companies have .com.us.[continent - I guess .na?

      What would be the point? Is there another China on another continent?

    3. Re:it's poorly defined by Ostien · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Of corse its poorly defined! The more you add to this the more complicated it is going to get. In short people are never going to be happy. Some people will want things to be more specific while others would prefer a broad definition. Do we split things up by type? (.com, .org, .net) do we split things up by country? (.us, .uk, .cn) Do we split things up by continent? (.euro, .asia, .africa) a combination? (.us.com) The trick is to be able to regulate when enough is enough. To regulate when you have steped over the boundries of being fair or ludacris. I would rather not have to have every domain look like this: xyz.na.us.il.com

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    4. Re:it's poorly defined by fantomas · · Score: 1

      I agree. I think at least it would be good if we could have consistency! I am afraid we are too far gone down the path to get any form of consistency now but it would be nice to at least aim at having that :-) My favourite url? http://the.british.museum/ !!!

    5. Re:it's poorly defined by CoderBob · · Score: 1

      Ummm...

      In pretty much every model of continental theory, Australia is it's own continent.

      Just an FYI.

    6. Re:it's poorly defined by Midnight+Thunder · · Score: 1

      The better example would have been Russia or Turkey. For the former would it be .ru.asia or .eu.euro?

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    7. Re:it's poorly defined by LanceUppercut · · Score: 1

      Well, they would probably follow the standard "political" approach. Since the Russian capital is in Europe, it should be 'ru.euro', even though geographically most of Russia is in Asia.

  25. Re:God damn it by meringuoid · · Score: 2, Informative
    It's porn, not pr0n! Why is it necessary to obfuscate this word all the time?

    Slashdot is a major centre of hacker culture. pr0n is traditional hacker usage, going back at the very least to the days of B1FF. It's basically an ethnic variant spelling.

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  26. Re:Due influence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You, like most Republicans, are dumb.

  27. Oh great. More TLDs = more $$ from my pocket by CodeShark · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Am I the only web domain name holder that hates having to shell out an increasing amount of $$ for each new popular domain extension? Which results in my having to buy up the info, biz, etc. domains ad nauseum because I want to keep my core domain name(s) essentially unique. Will I have to register and park the .xxx domain names to prevent them from affiliating? What if ICANN decides that developing a TLD setup where country "YY" domain extension "XXX" is a good thing?

    When does it end?

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  28. Easy. by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 3, Interesting

    What good is it to have the xxx TLD if they won't enforce it?

    An intelligent filter COULD be used for sites that do use .xxx domains. Suppose you enter a .com domain and the site also has a .xxx domain. Follow all redirections until the site doesn't redirect anymore. You lookup the host name and get an IP. Then replace .com with .xxx, and lookup. Is it the same IP? Censor the other domain, or the IP. Ta-da.

    Also, let's position ourselves in the near feature, 5 years from now. .xxx domains are now used. A conservative senator launches a proposal ENFORCING the now voluntary use of .xxx domains. It gets approved.

    But how could such proposal be approved if no pr0n website has a .xxx domain?

    The problem with rejecting some measures because they're "not good enough" is stupidity. Not stepping forward is stepping backwards.

    1. Re:Easy. by Monoman · · Score: 1

      oh geez

      1. Filtering: It complicates things and puts the onus on someone else. Like spam and spam filtering.

      2. Senatorial proposal: The Internet is used internationally and although started in the U.S. is not governed by the U.S.

      3. Stupidity: Faulty logic. Not stepping forward is not the same as stepping backwards. Nice try though, maybe you should be in politics. :-)

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    2. Re:Easy. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are other countries in the world apart from the US, you know. And they aren't going to give a fuck about America's legislation on pornography websites.

    3. Re:Easy. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Internet is used internationally and although started in the U.S. is not governed by the U.S.

      And the World Wide Web - which is what we're actually talking about, when you come down to it, because nobody is getting worked up about porn on FTP or Usenet - was not even started in the U.S.: it was invented by a Briton working in Switzerland.

    4. Re:Easy. by Lew+Payne · · Score: 1

      "You lookup the host name and get an IP. Then replace .com with .xxx, and lookup. Is it the same IP? Censor the other domain, or the IP. Ta-da."

      You've obviously never heard of name-based virtual hosting, or round-robin DNS (two instances in which your suggestion would fail miserably). You obviously do not have the technical wherewithal to speak intelligently about this subject.

  29. TLDs by flyonthewall · · Score: 1

    Why not do away with the .com / .net / .org / .mil / .edu and other like. Replace them with the pre-suffix .co. .ne. .or. .mi. .ed. ... and suffix them with the country where the *physical* server(s) is located.

    This would make it a lot easier for the rest of us, not living in the States. This is like english/metric mesurements where one country simply will not adapt to a changing environment out of sheer obtuseness.

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  30. Hypocrisy by meisenst · · Score: 2, Informative

    Even in the introductory paragraph, we can see that there is some confusion here.

    The ICANN (the company that distributes most of the world's internet addresses) is denying that it gives the US government too much control over its operations.

    And yet...

    For instance, the US was the only country able to stop ICANN from using .xxx for pr0n domains, instead of .com.

    So, the US doesn't have much control over its operations, and yet it was the only country that was able to step in and strike down an ICANN resolution. Isn't this kind of like saying "1 + 1 = 2, but 1 + 1 = 3"?

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    1. Re:Hypocrisy by Viper+Daimao · · Score: 1

      I think it was more the submitter's slick way of saying that because ICANN ruled in a way that the US was arguing for (and aparently no one else at all was for, though that seems unlikely), that this proves that ICANN really is controlled by the US (which I guess is somehow a bad thing from the submitters POV).

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    2. Re:Hypocrisy by lampiaio · · Score: 0

      Yes, you are right. But no, you are wrong.

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    3. Re:Hypocrisy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're reading too much into that statment, which was added to do nothing but present the submitters opinion.

      ICANN is under US jurisdiction. That's all it means.

    4. Re:Hypocrisy by SoulRider · · Score: 1

      Isnt ICANN run by a bunch of retired heads of intelligence agencies?

    5. Re:Hypocrisy by meisenst · · Score: 1

      Incorrect. Read the article.

      The company distributing many of the world's Internet addresses is taking more steps this week to fend off criticism that it gives the U.S. government too much control over its operations.

      [...]

      For instance, in August, many countries weren't happy about a proposal to have porn sites' Web addresses end in .xxx, rather than .com. But only one government, the United States, was able to actually intercede and eventually scuttle the plan, even though the plan had ICANN's backing.

      This is not the opinion of the poster, but rather a pretty decent paraphrasing of the article itself. The heart of the issue is the fact that ICANN should (or should not) fall under U.S. jurisdiction, and this is just one of the reasons why some people have a problem with the involvement of the U.S. Government.

      Don't get me wrong, I applaud the idea of all of these ideas to make ICANN seem more internationally minded, but in the end, this kind of example (the .xxx issue) will remain dominant, as they have changed nothing that would stop the U.S. Government from stepping in in much the same way and putting a stop to anything that they do not approve of.

      We will probably not see a true resolution to this issue until a resolution is overturned that the rest of the world favours, and the U.S. does not. Only at that point will ICANN truly be able to show where they stand.

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    6. Re:Hypocrisy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now I understand why there are reading comprehension tests.

      Two posts following one another that show none of that aptitude.

      "This is not the opinion of the poster, but rather a pretty decent paraphrasing of the article itself."

      No, it's piss-poor wording.
      "For instance" can't be used to show a contrary point if there is no "lead in" for a contrary point.

      For example:
      "I believe I have a girlfriend. For instance, I don't have a girlfriend."

  31. saves time, too by White+Yeti · · Score: 1

    Having .xxx.asia would certainly save searching time, and it also seems to be converging with Usenet naming conventions.

  32. Good intentions by Venik · · Score: 2, Funny

    Why not move all US-based sites to the .www domain (Wild Wild West). It will make just as much sense as creating .asia for the "Asians". What about creating .east and .west domain and hand out every Web surfer a compass?

    1. Re:Good intentions by jrumney · · Score: 1

      Great idea! Then we can give .com back to its rightful owners; the communists.

    2. Re:Good intentions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You think that's weird?

      Try living in New Zealand... Asia is to our West, and the US is to the East...

      It gets REALLY confusing for our kids hearing about "western politics" - "What do you mean, daddy? Politics from Japan?"

      Damn ninnies. It's all one planet. ICANN should just make a few new TLDs: .earth, .mars, .sun, .venus, etc... Then in the same spirit as anyone from anywhere being able to buy a .cx domain, I can buy .venus for my pr0n site, .uranus for the hardcore stuff, .pluto for disney ripoffs... You get the picture...

  33. Re:Oh great. More TLDs = more $$ from my pocket by radja · · Score: 3, Insightful

    you don't have to. in the city I live, there's a heerestraat, a heereweg, a heereplein, a verlengde heereweg. (all street names, meaning approximately: lord's street, lord's road, lord's plaza, lengthened lord's road). no company I know of buy property on heerestraat 2, heereplein 2, etc.

    the web is no different: you only need 1 adress, the rest is pure choice. your choice.

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  34. ObResponse by abb3w · · Score: 1
    they care about the bottom line as much as any company.

    Probably more... normal companies only care about the bottom line from the balance sheets, not an employee's bottom line.

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  35. Inventions and politics by digitaldc · · Score: 1

    I think this would be a better article to read about US influence:
    http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1888417,00.as p

    ICANN is under the administration of the US Department of Commerce, so ultimately the US will control it. As to whether they are giving undue influence, that is to be debated. I would assume that many countries who are unhappy with the US influence are also unhappy with the current Bush administration. President Bush is currently unpopular in the US as well as the world, and this may be contributing to the sentiment.

    But to be fair, we have to ask ourselves:
    Who invented the internet? DARPA, US
    Who invented the digital circuit? Claude Shannon, US
    Who invented the silicon chip? Bell Labs, US
    Who invented the bipolar transistor? Bell Labs, US

    These examples are not a reason that the US should control it, just some things to think about. If you invented something as powerful as the internet, would you just want to give away control of it? It is a hard thing to take a stand on.

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    1. Re:Inventions and politics by basshedz2 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Who invented the world wide web? Tim Berniers-Lee - An Englishman working at CERN in Switzerland (Thats Europe for all you Americans)

    2. Re:Inventions and politics by Jugalator · · Score: 1

      I see your point, but what does computer components have to do with Internet control?

      I can give you that DARPA could be seen as a "defense" for having US to retain a large control over things, but bringing up "essential peripherals" doesn't give much weight to the argument IMHO. They're different things, and using that logic, wouldn't it have been hard to develop it without CRT screens originally invented by Ferdinand Braun, etc, or what about electricity theory from people like Georg Ohm, Alessandro Volta, and André-Marie Ampère. Major foundations laid and necessary to even start thinking of transistors.

      But I agree with invention pride probably being a large contributor for defending Internet control. That along with trust, or rather the lack thereof, in others.

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    3. Re:Inventions and politics by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Who built the first calculating machine? Charles Babbage - English.
      Who was responsible for most of the fundamental mathematics behind modern computing? Alan Turing - English.
      Where was the first stored-program computer built? University of Manchester - England
      Who invented the WWW? Tim Berners-Lee - England.
      Who wrote the Linux TCP/IP stack? Alan Cox - Welsh

      Is any of this relevant? No. Not to mention the fact that a large number of the fundamental protocols used by the Internet are a result of the IETF process, with international researchers contributing.

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    4. Re:Inventions and politics by digitaldc · · Score: 1

      Good points and thanks for responding...the internet is too big for anyone's britches right now, it is an entity on to itself.

      You forgot to mention another wonderful British invention for internet geeks....Altoids.

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    5. Re:Inventions and politics by CptPicard · · Score: 1

      And what does the Internet consist of?

      Peered networks which are not in most cases owned by anything American. What is the phenomenon of modern Internet emerges from the co-operation and participation of numerous individuals, corporations and institutions worldwide. You can't seriously claim that someone or something that developed the underlying technology has any claim over the emergent end result of everyone getting together to use those technologies, connect their systems together and use the resultant commons for everyone's mutual benefit.

      IMO it would only be fair to ensure the Internet remains as much a "common carrier" as possible, and someone demanding unilateral control is already enough cause for concern... an interesting analogy would be a network of private roads. It is (hypothetically, entertain the idea) mutually beneficial for all to allow travel through one's own stretch of road if that means that you can drive over other people's roads where-ever you want. If someone came around and said that he has the right to write the rules of the road because he invented the idea of the road, I don't think it would fly.

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    6. Re:Inventions and politics by flyinwhitey · · Score: 1

      So?

      Seriously, your point is the equivalent of claiming invention of the cordless phone.

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    7. Re:Inventions and politics by Scrameustache · · Score: 1

      Who invented the internet? DARPA, US

      And Nazis invented jet propulsion, the British invented the English language, China invented black powder, I think the Web was invented in Switzerland, the moving picture camera was invented in France (despite US propaganda that reminds me of Checkov in Star Trek claiming everything to be russian), the telephone in Canada (Chekov'ed again), etc.

      These examples are not a reason that the US should control it, just some things to think about.

      I think about it: The place where something was invented is irrelevant.

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    8. Re:Inventions and politics by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1

      All reasonable arguments to have control of them for at most about 28 years. I'm sure that puts the most of those inventions out of patent & original copyrights (tho not perhaps today's immoral er... immortal copyrights)

      After which time the question becomes, "what have you done for us lately?"

      That being said, I'm a strong supporter of multiple DNS namespaces. With today's bandwidth and personal computer power there is no reason to have one company own the address book.

      And there are already free alternate DNS's that support new top level domains. They provide an entirely alternate internet which can't even be browsed if ICANN's DNS is the only one you are using.

      I think DNS should be like a classpath. You start with ICANN's but add as many as you want after that. Your computer trys them in order until it gets a hit. Each DNS makes reasonable efforts to avoid stepping on each other with namespaces since it knows the one first in the path will get the hit.

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    9. Re:Inventions and politics by mkw87 · · Score: 1
      Who invented the world wide web? Tim Berniers-Lee - An Englishman working at CERN in Switzerland (Thats Europe for all you Americans)

      Everyone knows Al Gore invented the internet.

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    10. Re:Inventions and politics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who built the first calculating machine? Charles Babbage - English.
      Who was responsible for most of the fundamental mathematics behind modern computing? Alan Turing - English.
      Where was the first stored-program computer built? University of Manchester - England
      Who invented the WWW? Tim Berners-Lee - England.
      Who wrote the Linux TCP/IP stack? Alan Cox - Welsh
      [emphasis mine]

      You forgot:

      Who wrote the Linux Kernel? Linus Torvalds - Finish

      Agree with your post however :-)

    11. Re:Inventions and politics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Moe: Oho, an English boy, huh? You know, we saved your ass in World War II.

      Hugh: Yeah, well, we saved your arse in World War III.

      Moe: [conciliatory] That's true.

    12. Re:Inventions and politics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Linux TCP stack!? Talk about cherry picked data. Who wrote the SysV stack? Who wrote the BSD stack? Who funded and created the fscking internet. That's right beotch. Mericans! Whoohoo. Eat it you limey bastard. Pwned baby! You should bow down an an American everytime you boot up your computer. Tim Bernes Lee? A ripoff artist who stole technology from IBM which invented GML and ideas from Ted Nelson.

      Every modern invention is the result of American and Japanese ingenuity. The Euro-peon civilization lost their lead in contributions once they ass fucked themselves in WW1/WW2. Now they're a bunch of lazy ass welfare whores who take 2 month vacations while their parents die in heatwaves, collect welfare checks for being "sick", and riot on the streets when their bosses ask them to stay extra hours to finish their buggy ass software.

      America fucking rules. We will bomb your ass if you try to get control of the domain name system that we invented, and which is our divine and manifest destiny to rule.

    13. Re:Inventions and politics by baselsalam · · Score: 1

      Parent *should* be modded up as funny!

  36. ICANN needs a Theory by firewrought · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Seriously, why does ICANN keep coming up with proposals for TLD's like .travel and .asia? This is not a useful ontological breakdown for organizing the world's organizations. It's like going into your local library and finding that the books are divided into three sections: Anvils, Horseys, and Everything Else.

    ICANN needs a Theory. The original TLD's (com/org/net/gov/mil/edu/int) had a pretty good theory that met the needs of the net at that time. Today those distinctions are less useful since .gov/.mil are U.S.-centric, .com has become the defacto standard that people expect, and there are many organizations which don't seem to fit the classification at all (e.g., personal-use domains might be one example). The ccTLD's (us/uk/jp, etc.) let individual countries have more autonomy, but it also semantically diluted the namespace (especially with opportunist looking for TLD's like .tv/.to).

    I can't say what a good theory would be. Maybe the original TLD's could be cleaned up and administered better. Maybe the ccTLD's could be integrated with trademark law so that, e.g., foobar.jp means that Japan recognizes the owner of foobar's trademark. At any rate, the theory should have a few characterstics: it should be complete [cover all reasonable use cases]; it should be predictable [if I know of an organization or entity with a website, I should be able to predict the exact 1 TLD they exist in]; and it shouldn't require that most organizations feel obligated purchase multiple names to protect their trademark.

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    1. Re:ICANN needs a Theory by Gnight · · Score: 1
      Here's how I would like to see it:
      • TLD: Country Codes ONLY. This includes a ".us" TLD. A great renaming must take place for all the US .com, .mil, .gov, and so on.
      • Within the TLD there can be anything the country wants. Existing naming conventions should be adhered to (e.g. yahoo.com.us, bbc.co.uk, etc)
      • Recommended subdomains (each country can choose whatever they want however):
        1. com - Companies (may contain offensive material)
        2. net,gov,mil,org - Same as today (there's too much resistance to change these)
        3. kids - Material suitable for children. Each country is free to specify what's suitable.

      This is the most "fair" way to restructor DNS. It makes more sense, and the .kids domain provides an easy white-list that parents can allow (and block everything else).

      Current TLDs would redirect to the new addresses for an appropriate time period (e.g. "af.mil" becomes "af.mil.us", "yahoo.com" becomes "yahoo.com.us", etc). This isn't something new, this is something a lot of people have been asking for some time now.

      I'm kind of against the .xxx (or .xxx.cc) domain, as I don't think it would really work. Sure, the country could mandate that all pornography sites redirect to an equivalent .xxx domain (e.g. "sex.com" becomes "sex.xxx.us"), but there is a huge gray area. What happens when (inevitably) people start crying, "You can't banish my site to a .xxx.us domain. My site contains only art!" ?? Whooo boy, that's a big old can-o-worms.

      My stance: It's easier to whitelist obviously child appropriate content than to blacklist inappropriate content, but let each country decide what they want to do for themselves.

  37. Re:Oh great. More TLDs = more $$ from my pocket by CodeShark · · Score: 1
    I agree that it is my choice. But the proliferation of TLDs isn't analagous to a physical address, because in the real world there are zoning restrictions, etc., and I don't really have to worry about shady operators setting up next door or trying to pollute my own property with their crap. For example, a porn shop can't move into my neighborhood, etc.

    Analagously, my unique domain name(s) are the neighborhood and after the fact (the proliferation of TLD's) is like having a choice between two bad options:

    1. Pay a big thug (an ICANN registrar) to keep any and all squatters and other assorted nasty folks away from my property (a nice, unique domain name), or
    2. not pay and then watch as all the squatters and other assorted nasty folks pay the big thug and then set up right in my front yard.

    See how it feels a bit different?
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  38. Pray tell, why is this Anti-English/US.... by $raim_n_reezn! · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...or even about cultural diversity. Granted the british empire anglicized as much of the world as they could and it's been beneficial to their economy and the economy of their offshoot (america).

    There are a whole lot of people who don't speak english in this world and as their economies grow and become technologically advanced they want to enjoy being able to do things in their own languages.

    What is this if they don't do it in our language they are against us mentality?

    Fine you guys came up with the internet the same way someone somewhere invented the wheel and so many other things that made it possible to get to where we as a human race are.

    What is wrong with someone like me wanting to be able to compose an email in my native language, just because it's fun to use all those african proverbs or to even be able to advertise companies with native names (which include diacritical markings and so on) without having to code for each web browser.

    I thought this whole internet thing was supposed to open our minds to what others have to offer.

    And as per your implication that only anglophone countries can pay for goods, remember there was a world before britain or america, there'll still be one after they're long gone. The funny thing is that most people in the world don't hate america, in fact they love the success story that is america, but it's people like you that see a demon in every shadow that are turning more and more people toward the belief that americans are generally arrogant. And if you read or know anything about history you'll know that pride usually goes before a fall

    Lose the attitude, boss, remember Rome, greece, egypt? they were great too....

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    1. Re:Pray tell, why is this Anti-English/US.... by RobotRunAmok · · Score: 1

      Lose the attitude, boss, remember Rome, greece, egypt? they were great too....

      I've no doubt the American Empire will fall, as did Rome, Greece, and Egypt before it. I don't think it will be in my lifetime, however, or the lifetime of my grandchildren. In the meantime, I'm really not inclined to go out of my way to ensure that the bath signs indicating which spout is hot water and which is cold are engraved in both Latin and Pictish.

      How do you say "Just Call Me Old Skoool" in Taiwanese?

    2. Re:Pray tell, why is this Anti-English/US.... by anaesthetica · · Score: 1
      What is wrong with someone like me wanting to be able to compose an email in my native language, just because it's fun to use all those african proverbs or to even be able to advertise companies with native names (which include diacritical markings and so on) without having to code for each web browser.

      You can already do those things. All modern browsers and OSes support unicode characters.

      The problem is not emails or website text, it's URLs with non-english alphabet characters.

  39. Re:Oh great. More TLDs = more $$ from my pocket by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

    Not registering in all TLDs can sometimes be embarassing. My girlfriend couldn't remember what TLD I used (.org) and guessed .com. I then had to spend some time showing her the whois records (apparently someone registered .com exactly a year, to the day, after I got the .org) to prove I wasn't running a porn site...

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  40. Non-English language characters by fredclown · · Score: 1

    One other major development this week involves progress toward allowing the use of non-English language characters when steering a Web browser to a particular site. What's that supposed to mean? Non-english language characters. Yeah us English speakers made up those characters, and we just lend them to the Spaniards, the French, the Portugese, the Italians, etc. Seriously, to make a statement like that is basically saying that English speakers run the web and to use the web you need to know English. How arrogant of us English speakers. The characters aren't English characters ... they're Latin characters for crying out loud.

    1. Re:Non-English language characters by Potor · · Score: 1
      Until quite recently lived in Thailand, and I assure you that everyone there refers to the Latin alphabet as the English alphabet. At first it drove me mad.

      But - whenever I asked someone to spell out a Thai name or street or whatever in Latin letters, nobody understood what me. So, as an experiment, I sometimes asked for things to be spelled in the French or German alphabets. Same response.

      What can you do? The Latin alphabet has become the English alphabet, functionally at least, outside of Europe and South America.

      Lest anyone accuse me of using local data for a global claim, I would maintain that the rest of the world is in fact busy learning English as opposed to any other language using the Latin alphabet.

    2. Re:Non-English language characters by fishbowl · · Score: 1

      Well.... In Thailand, they routinely deal with Australian, European, and American tourists and businesspeople who speak English, and rarely deal with Romans who speak Latin. So it does make sense that the common vernacular would indicate the "English" alphabet. Thailand was beyond the reach of the Roman Empire... among the few places that can make that claim :-)

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  41. TheyCANN'T by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Creating .Asia without creating .Europe , .Africa , .NAmerica , .SAmerica , .Australia (and .Antarctica ) is insanity, and shows that ICANN is a gang of hacks. They can't even pull off geopolitical favoritism and apologies without underscoring their orientation along those lines. Preferential treatment of a subgroup is just as bigoted as opposition, just as "racism" means bias with respect to race, regardless of whether positive/negative. But then, what to expect from a gang which compensates for letting the US override consensus for .xxx by throwing a few parties?

    I miss Jon Postel.

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  42. I, for one, by GungaDan · · Score: 1

    would not so much welcome our new hafta-use-charmap-to-enter-a-URL TLD overlords...

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  43. international domain names by richlv · · Score: 1

    could anybody explain more on "One other major development this week involves progress toward allowing the use of non-English language characters when steering a Web browser to a particular site." ?

    i suppose idn is already working, opera, firefox support it, several countries already are registering these domain names - are they considering allowance of extended characters in top level domains ?

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  44. Phishing Risk by ZX-3 · · Score: 1

    The use of unicode will be a major boon to phishers, and a security risk to the rest of us, because unicode contains many different characters that look alike. For example, I could get the domain name CNN.com, using the Cyrillic capital C and Greek capital Nu.

    1. Re:Phishing Risk by 4D6963 · · Score: 1
      yes, sounds like a pertinent objection. plus, which version of Unicode would be chosen? because not all systems have version 4 (or whatever the latest version is) if they have unicode at all....

      personally i dont even see the interest, how r u gonna type the address of your fav. japanese p0rn site? your only chance is to bookmark it or copy/paste the Unicode URL somewhere...

      Not to mention as you already thought about, of look-a-like characters. like, you thought some URL to be something, but it's really something else due to look-a-like characters, so you can't even type it right even if u got the right keyboard or whatever.

      URLs gotta stay as simple as they already are...

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  45. ICANN get out of the way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "ICANN is now exploring a proposal to open Web browsers up to dozens of the world's other alphabets. Actual tests of just such a system are now in the works, Twomey said. "

    ICANN being the ones who blocked it in 1998.

  46. I'm right (wing) and for .xxx by alta · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Ok, I'm really missing this argument.

    I'm a Christian, very right wing. Also, as sysadmin. I know most righters are against this but I don't really see why.
    I would love to have a single TLD to block. I would love to see the original domain rules enforced, and have the XXX sites forced on to .xxx. (as well as have the .org's and .net's enforced)

    Someone tell me what the other righters argument is. This isn't going to create MORE xxx sites. I think all porn sites should be given first rights to their equivelent .xxx domain, then make them move.

    Then I put "127.0.0.1 .xxx" in every host file I ever see ;)

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    1. Re:I'm right (wing) and for .xxx by east+coast · · Score: 1

      I would love to have a single TLD to block. I would love to see the original domain rules enforced, and have the XXX sites forced on to .xxx

      I too consider myself aligned with the right and I am religious as well (non-Christian, call me a heathen all you like). While I agree that the XXX should exist I think an attempt to force all "porn" to the XXX domain would have some bad implications. For us the term may be cut and dry but other cultures may embrace and promote what you and I may call porn as normal. Also, if the rules are too strict we may see medical sites and the like in violation for showing anatomy photos that would qualify as porn. And if you exclude those sites you're sure to have people trying to bend the rules the other way by putting porn on sites but claiming it's medical research that others may find of value from the more legitimate medical/sexual point of view... It's a rocking boat already.

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    2. Re:I'm right (wing) and for .xxx by RailGunner · · Score: 1

      The above post is why I added you to my friends list, alta - well said. Also - if you want to know why people friend you, you should enable comments on your JE regarding the same!!

  47. mov cl, 0xff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That can't be right .. my friends and I have broken into dozens of websites and made huge DoSing botnets, but we use the term "pornography".

  48. In the other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...ICANN announced that they are planning also international TLDs ".allies", ".commies", ".socialist-europeans". ".donate-to-africa". ".hispanics", ".arabs", ".others" to show that they are no way biased towards any government and their world view isn't restricted to tv-news of any particular culture.

    When international TLDs ".christian", ".jewish" and ".mormons" were proposed, received feedback made ICANN to deploy also ".asian-religions", ".african-religions" ".native-indian-religions" to represent worldwide view. It was rumoured, that a call from Saudi Arabia's prince and trade officials of some government made ICANN to enforce additional sub-TLD ".islam.arabs". When international TLDS ".baseball", ".basketball", ".nascar" and ".ice-hockey" were released, ICANN officials were proud to tell about their strong global approach and instantly answered to the critic by showing proposals for ".sumo", ".kung-fu", ".soccer" and ".african-sports" to ensure international commitment.

    It happened that later, after some 6000 military leaders in some particular country had expressed their concerns of reports that kung-fu was used at military training by some evil .commie nation to pursue its devil plans to destroy all the freedom and liberty in this particular country, ".kung-fu" was removed for unknown reasons.

    1. Re:In the other news... by east+coast · · Score: 3, Funny

      When international TLDs ".christian", ".jewish" and ".mormons" were proposed, received feedback made ICANN to deploy also ".asian-religions", ".african-religions" ".native-indian-religions" to represent worldwide view. It was rumoured, that a call from Saudi Arabia's prince and trade officials of some government made ICANN to enforce additional sub-TLD ".islam.arabs".

      Damn them! I must now petition for ".cthulhu-cult"

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    2. Re:In the other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't forget ".jedi"!

  49. Re:Due influence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You and the person who moderated the post you replied to have no sense of humor.

  50. I'm simply shocked! by redelm · · Score: 1
    What else are they going to do?

    This is why "ad-hominem" arguments are so unfair. They're irrefutible by the target who is often dismissed as arguing from self-interest. The proper action is for others to speak up in defense.

  51. French german pilots use english by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe we should abandon english as the lingua franka of aviation also.

    While I sympatize to some extend with those whose language is not written in the roman alphabet, the control characters should be in a universally accepted and understood character form.

    Everyone can take the characters of a URL and copy them into the correct browser field. The actual web page content is something else again.

  52. Re:God damn it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Post of the day.

  53. so what is the answer? by digitaldc · · Score: 1

    Who should control the domains and the naming rights? Why would anyone/country/business want to relinquish control of something they created/initiated/started just because it is something that everyone now uses? Is it illegal to retain control of something that you invented, that is now extremely popular? Would they do it for the good of the world? (not that I am against that, just trying to make a point)

    For example, it could be argued that the Windows O/S must now be under international control since so many people are using it and it would be unfair for others not to have an input in how they use it. They have already profited from it enormously, so it is time to release it to the world to share, tweak, and restructure as they please. Microsoft has no right to have so much control over something that 85-90% of the world's computers now use on a daily basis. Do you think this a good analogy?

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  54. Re:God damn it by flyinwhitey · · Score: 1

    At which point you show them your post on slashdot, discussing the subject in an adult manner.

    Try talking to them instead of treating them like the enemy.

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  55. What'll happen by Bezben · · Score: 1

    All this will end up doing is forcing all companies and organisations to register another domain to stop squatters, microsoft.asia, intel.asia, redhat.asia or whatever. And most likely these will just point to their main page which will have a map on it in flash telling you to click your country. God I hate websites with flash interfaces...

    Wouldn't it really be a lot easier to have less tlds rather than more? If you can have say, two different web based with the same name, one having comapnyx.com and another having companyx.asia, is this really making things easier to understand?

  56. see this is what i'm talking about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    spin spin spin, media hype and all that. all these news stories about "US wants to take over the Internet" are silly at best, disingenuous at worst, and all around are stupid.

    the only power the US government has over the internet (not the government as a whole either, but one branch, the Commerce Dept if i recall correctly) is veto power over top level domains. and this power has all but been neglected (do we really need a .name?). the fed' couldn't even make up their own TLD's without ICANN approval... it's just veto power over new ones. otherwise private firms take care of their infrastructure, the IEEE (a private nonprofit with international members) manages most of the protocols. W3C takes care of web standards and such, and of course private and public individuals and corporations oversee their own online content.

    so there you go, from the horses mouth. America isn't going to play "evil empire" all over the 'Net. relax, and wipe some of that foam away from your mouth.

  57. How .xxx will work by Xyonz · · Score: 1

    The people who have been trying to get .xxx off the ground know what they're doing. I've met both of them, and they're comitted to making it work the way it should.

    Someone can only register a .xxx if they a) already have an adult entertainment business with the name of the domain they are trying to register, or b) are in the process of making such a business.

    These people will be audited regularly to make sure they are, in fact, a legitimate adult business, and are not hosting anything illegal like nude pictures of underage children.

    Other businesses who have a vested interest in not having someone take the .xxx tld with their name will be protected (disney.xxx will never exist).

    This is why the cost for these domains is in the range of $70 and not $5.49 -- this is the cost of keeping up with all the registrees. It's not like going to godaddy and getting a .org, there is a substantial process to prove who you are and what your business is.

  58. you don't even have to frame it in those terms by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    we don't even "control" ICANN. veto power is not control, at least in the common sense of the word. it's like saying the US Gov' is in control of the NFL, when the only intervention in that regard is enforcement of drug regulations and other laws. otherwise, the Federal government doesn't care if a touchback is 20 yards or a field goal is 3 points.

  59. Domain spoofing by drivinghighway61 · · Score: 1

    www.mîcrosoft.com/

    www.gøogle.com/

    Yes, international characters in URLs is a great idea.

  60. xxx by TuomasK · · Score: 1

    So, when can I register microsoft.xxx, sony.xxx and nokia.xxx?

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  61. Flame? Anarchy is not a solution to the NWO. by DarthStrydre · · Score: 1

    I am not sure whether you intended for your rant to be flamebait or not. And although you are not mentioning it, it seems you prefer the tenets (or rather lack thereof) of anarchy, since it is the only governmental form that has no direct limits on one's freedoms. Or at least, until someone with a larger club comes around and starts up a feudal system or some other form of government. Anarchist groups can, perhaps, exist for some time. Anarchy is unstable, however, and does not scale well.

    Established government is necessary if freedoms are to be preserved. Not all governments types do so, and not all that do, do it well. Some freedoms do have to be monitored or limited in order to preserve others. Ideally, one person's freedom should stop where another's starts. Should I be allowed to walk on your lawn, or should you be allowed to kick me off it. Laws are made to help define the boundary of freedoms so that it is easier to determine if I can or cannot walk on your lawn.

    The U.S. ideally had a constitutionally limited democratic republic. The Senate was republic half of L branch, and the house represented the democratic. Through the years the significance of congress has diminished as the population has grown but the congress has not, due to logistics. This diminishes the direct representation the house members are supposed to have for small groups of people. Also, since there is no direct representation, senators AND house members have little need to listen to the people they represent, since they are safe until the end of their term. It is much more to the advantage of politicians to take bribes from mega-corporates than to listen to the people they represent. This in my opinion is the main failing of the current system.

    Talk of the NWO is not unfounded. I do agree with you that it is a real thing, and something that should not be allowed to come to pass. However, abolishment of all government in order to prevent it does not strike me as a very effective mechanism.

    1. Re:Flame? Anarchy is not a solution to the NWO. by emptycorp · · Score: 1

      You only got half of it right. The lawn reference, you have to understand. Sure there are plenty of laws that we as people can agree on are correct, and then there's about 100x that in laws that are against us. It's a matter of giving people just enough so they don't whine, complain, and attempt to use the system you built against you. You have to approach this issue beyond how you think about it based on your education in their system. Anarchy is often misunderstood and referenced incorrectly, just as you used it.

      According to you, anarchy is a group of people thinking for themselves with no regard to others. And I can tell you that enough people coming together with the right idea isn't a recipe for chaos. What I CAN say, is you're talking about governments, well let's break it down. A government, such as the U.S. gov. is a creation of a few people with implied power in the laws. Not only does this system protect them, it protects the system by only allowing in the people they want. Just look at the voting system, the general mass of people's votes don't count, it's all electoral college which are a group of people appointed by the people already in the system, ie the governors of the states.

      You have to understand that while laws that protect people are a grand idea, they really don't exist. If I come stomp on your flowers and get arrested, how was your property protected? So I go to jail and all that accomplishes is revenge which is a horrible, horrible concept.

      You contradict yourself by saying "Oh the US Gov was created in this way and it had a lot of good ideas, etc." and then things like "I agree about the NWO". That is completely contradictary because the two go hand in hand better than food and eating. Why do you think the original concept of the gov was what you say? Why? because that's what you learned in the same schools they created, reading from the same books they manufactured. Don't worry, I went to the same schools, believed the same BS that was handed to me. After all, we ARE all human, one in the same. We have the same emotions, just at different times, and in different quantities.

      We live in a world of make believe. If you think governments exist in seperation, ie republican and democrat, you are a fool. The stuff you see on tv and in their sanctuaries where "laws are made" is nothing more than theater at it's highest attainment. They put on a show to keep up paralyzed into their insane ideologies about how the world is run. Once you realize that they lie about one thing, and manipulate another, you begin to realize that they do it religiously.

      It is a sick and harsh reality and everyone needs to realize it. And no, I don't care about having my name out there or any of that crap that someone may be thinking. I'm pure and true and I just want people to realize the real world they live in, it might just make things better. And even if not, complete unrelenting anarchy would be 1,000x better than the world that will exist when they reach ultimate power. There aren't many countries left that aren't in the NWO, and if you think countries like china aren't in it and hate us, just look at the telling factor. They even have the word republic in their formal country name. The Republic of China, used to be the People's Republic of China, but I think they realized that was just too untrue to be slammed around the world. Hey, all people can't be completely bad, right? So long as they aren't hell bent on complete control.

      Anyways, I hope at least one person might just learn something from this today or in the future. No need to get violent about this, just raise awareness and stop living in the dark in the world around you. It's almost like the Matrix in a way... You think your government is divided into republicans and democrats when in fact they exist as one unit under the guise of theater. Do not try to defeat the NWO, for that is impossible. Instead, only try to realize the truth. There is no Freedom.

    2. Re:Flame? Anarchy is not a solution to the NWO. by zippthorne · · Score: 1

      "According to you, anarchy is a group of people thinking for themselves with no regard to others."

      Once you have organized, you have an organization. By definition, this cannot be anarchy. The only tenable position in an anarchic society is that of self-interest, whether that includes altruism or not is up to the individual.

      Unfortunately, in an environment of anarchy, anyone who is able to organize will have a significant advantage over the free-actors. The best thing you can do is probably to form a group around a set of principles, spell out those principles explictly in some kind of document, and appoint a fraction of their number to coordinate enforcement actions.

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    3. Re:Flame? Anarchy is not a solution to the NWO. by Lew+Payne · · Score: 1

      "it seems you prefer the tenets (or rather lack thereof) of anarchy, since it is the only governmental form that has no direct limits on one's freedoms. Or at least, until someone with a larger club comes around and starts up a feudal system or some other form of government. Anarchist groups can, perhaps, exist for some time. Anarchy is unstable, however, and does not scale well."

      That's a fine pollyanna bromine you espouse, but it also describes the USA's political stance. As the one with the larger club, we impose our policies on lesser nations... especially if natural reserves are involved. What do you think we would do if the Saudis refused to sell oil to us [similar to our trade embargo against other countries], or [better yet] they decided to apply a penalty tax of three times (3x) the cost of the oil? We would invade and own them (either directly, or though another nation we finance and train), that's what would happen.

      "Established government is necessary if freedoms are to be preserved. Not all governments types do so, and not all that do, do it well. Some freedoms do have to be monitored or limited in order to preserve others. Ideally, one person's freedom should stop where another's starts. Should I be allowed to walk on your lawn, or should you be allowed to kick me off it. Laws are made to help define the boundary of freedoms so that it is easier to determine if I can or cannot walk on your lawn."

      Those are nice platitudes, but they assume we are the only nation in this world (and you do wander off-point). In the UK, not only is online gambling legal but there's a specific law allowing online gambling from America. In the USA, online gambling is illegal including gambling "at" those UK sites. What makes you think we're the only ones who can (or should) make laws?

      I have a corporation in Panama run all my adult sites (including hosting), and I just provide them with content. The "dot com" domains are all owned by the Panamanian corporation. You can bet your ass Panama is not going to require it to switch to using ".xxx" just because of some silly USA legislation.

      The world is bigger than just your backyard, and most of you forget that.

  62. Too many questions for ICANN? by baadger · · Score: 2, Interesting
    1. Why .asia and yet no .europe? We have .eu on the way, are we limiting TLD's to 4 characters? What about the existing .museum?
    2. Where are .africa, .australasia and .america?
    3. Why do we have .com, .co.uk and .com.us?
    4. How will we/everyday Joe make a reasonably clear distinction between the multi-TLD part in a domain, which are under the control of various DNS authorities, and the 'actual domain bit' under the control of the domain owner?
    5. Isn't there a risk that more depth in TLD's means more authorities between the owner and the root, potentially more control points and therefore potentially more political points of failure in the chain?
    6. Will there be proper country/purpose/target based sub-TLD's of .asia, like .jp.asia? .biz.asia, .com.asia?
    7. Wouldn't this make the .jp TLD redundant?
    8. Maybe 'slightly more global' companies/organisations/websites be able to have "companyA.jp.asia" and smaller localised ones "companyA.jp"? Oh sorry, thats "companyA.com.jp.asia", and "companyA.com.jp" Or is it "companyA.jp.com.asia"?
    9. What's the bloody point of this faux-heirarchial structure if they don't keep it clean and logical anyway?
    10. Is ICANN just trying to turn the DNS system into something that gives people a nice aesthetic choice but renders it totally unstructured and illogical? Won't this increase dependence on search engines, or alternatively make Google's site: operator, for example, LESS powerful?
    11. What about educating the masses on how to use a a heirarchially structured domain name system?
    12. This is going to be a mess like usenet isn't it
    1. Re:Too many questions for ICANN? by daveb · · Score: 1
      Why do we have .com, .co.uk and .com.us?

      that one's easy

      .com predated the ccTLD

      when the ccTLD's came into play the individual nations were allowed to subdivide any way they liked. Some used the legacy TLD's as second level (like .us and .au - but the aussies follow .us blindly anyway). The uk did something similar but used different initials (such as .co.uk instead of .com) and some followed them like .nz. Still others decided to go flat under their ccTLD and I think .jp is one of those and perhaps Canada.

      the point is that ICANN delegated decisions to the nation and can't be held responsible for whatever different nations chose - unless you count that delegation as causing divergence, which i guess it did.

  63. the point of a new TLD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The entire point of a brand new TLD is to generate revenue for ICANN, the registry that holds that TLD, and the registrars. We still have all of the adams-names names that nobody wants, or uses; e.g. .ws has a 60% abandonment rate. As a result of Verisign's settlement with ICANN, we now have two giant evil corporations scratching each other's backs while the door is closed. ICANN wants more money. Verisign wants more money and power. Verisign is the registrar for .com until they get tired of playing .com registrar. Verisign can raise the rates 7% per year with a reason being "Just because I want to", where other registrars need to give a valid reason. This same proposal doubles the fees that registrar pays to ICANN. How are we not to make the assumption that a new gTLD or a ccTLD given back to ICANN (e.g. .tv) has anything to do with expansion of the web or TLDs. it's all about the money

  64. Re:God damn it by Arcane_Rhino · · Score: 1
    You are telling me that your parents would know how to search the system logs or know how to install and review a keystroke tracer?

    A. Must be nice to have computer literate parents, and

    B. I gotta quit reading posts by 15 year olds.

  65. Fug'em by transami · · Score: 1

    Forget domains, they are practially meaningless anyway (Delic.io.us).

    And this other language crup. I'm sorry, people want to learn English. Not becuase they don't like their one native language --far from it, no dount they love their own culture. But simply because people also want to participate in a global community --that requires a global lanaguage. By happen stance of history tht langauge has become English. If you start promoting dividing the web into smaller and smaller ethnic spheres you will hamper the greatest achivement of the Internet, connecting us to each other.

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  66. No, there isn't. by Kadin2048 · · Score: 1

    A legal definition of pornography where? As other people have pointed out, and I assume you just ignored, there are lots of definitions of what is pornographic. Every country has their own (or none).

    Should we just use the strictest definition of 'pornographic' that's out there? Maybe Iran's?

    You can't define pornography on a global level -- hell, we can barely define it on a national level.

    There will NEVER be a global consensus on what is 'pornographic,' or even on what is appropriate for children to see. Look at the differences in movie ratings between European countries and the U.S., for instance. There are PG-13 movies in America that are 17+ in some European countries, and movies that would almost certainly get an R or NC-17 here which are 13+ there.

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    1. Re:No, there isn't. by KDR_11k · · Score: 1

      Obviously ICANN would use the US definition on their TLDs. Since ccTLDs can have their own rules for allowed content (e.g. a ccTLD may require all porn sites to use a xxx.tld subdomain, another one may choose not to restrict them at all, etc) that shouldn't be an issue with other countries. Iran would use its definition on its own TLD. Since it's commonly accepted that .com, .org, etc are for US based websites that shouldn't cause much of a problem.

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    2. Re:No, there isn't. by jawtheshark · · Score: 1
      Since it's commonly accepted that .com, .org, etc are for US based websites that shouldn't that shouldn't cause much of a problem.

      Sorry, that is not commonly accepted. .com means commercial, .org means organisational and .net means Network. Commercial, organisational and networking institutions exist around the world. I have a .com, a .net and a .org and I can assure you that I am not North American and will *never* be North American. Besides, I'm neither commercial, nor have a organisation nor run a network (except my home network), so the TLDs usage are not even enforced.

      Those TLDs are for everyone, not only for those born under the stars 'n stripes.

      I'll try to use a more corporate example for you to understand: take BASF. A well known company, which was founded in Germany. According to your ideas, BASF would *not* qualify for a .com, simply because it isn't from the United States. No, .com, .net and .org are not for US-only. You've got .us for that, just like we got .de, .fr, .lu, .nl, .de for our usages.

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    3. Re:No, there isn't. by KDR_11k · · Score: 1

      Let's put it like that: The average US internet user will type [companyname].com to get to a company website, the rest of the world types their local ccTLD instead (e.g. microsoft.de). That's what I mean with commonly accepted, when you type in .com you expect a website aimed at US residents.

      Besides, many companies deal in many countries and in each country they have to obey local laws, few companies that don't deal in the US have a .com domain. And very few companies would be affected by a decision to enforce US pornography laws on .com.

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    4. Re:No, there isn't. by Kadin2048 · · Score: 1

      This is why I said elsewhere in the thread that we should leave these non-geographic TLDs around, because they're great for companies or organizations that are international, or don't have a geographic focus. Slashdot, for instance, is US based but attracts readers from all over the world (the English-speaking world anyway); it makes sense that it has a non-geographic TLD. Same with BASF, IBM, or Volkswagen.

      The "problem" (insofar as people think there is one, which I'm not sure there is) comes because you cannot get a ".co.us" domain name. Actually the whole .us TLD is underutilized -- but this is not ICANN's fault. It's just that there's not really any demand for .us subdomain names, because US users and hosts prefer the generic non-geographic ones. However as we start to run out of 'good' non-geographic names, there will be more demand for the country-code TLDs by people who really don't need the non-geographic one and would prefer a shorter, easier to remember name under their country code.

      For example, if I ran Joe's Java Shop in Lexington, Kentucky, I could either get joesprettygoodjava.com or joescoffee.co.us. The latter is geographic, but shorter. If I didn't need the non-geographic name, then there's no reason to get it (unless I think that my users wouldn't understand anything that doesn't end in ".com").

      There's no regulation or restrictions necessary, I think that as the non-geographic TLDs get longer and more complicated, there will be a stronger incentive for local sites to use ccTLDs, both inside the US and elsewhere, and people will get more used to seeing them.

      The people who are getting screwed here (from a certain point of view) are local web-sites in the US, who can't get .co.us domains even if they wanted to. By fixing that, you'd relieve some of the pressure on the .com/org/net TLDs and -- in the long run -- you'd probably see more diversity in the sites under them as well.

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    5. Re:No, there isn't. by jawtheshark · · Score: 1
      Well, often getting a country tld is discouraged in a financial way: I have a couple of domain names in the generic range because they only cost me about 15€ per year. If I wanted a .lu (my country), I have to pay 40€ per year. Now, my dad has one and he had to pay over 100€ initialisation fee!!! (For friggen two lines in a database!) They seems to have scrapped that, but I still don't have a .lu, just because for a bit more than that price I can sustain a .com, org and .net.

      If they were competitive, I'd take a .lu... They just aren't...

      For me .com, .org and .net are for the citizens of the net and I disagree completely with the poster that said that they are "for the US". Besides, I agree that the .us is underutilised. I agree with your defense of the .co.us that could be used. Oh, well... can't change such mindsets.

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  67. Please learn how to write... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...otherwise your point won't be taken seriously.

    "The ICANN (the company that distributes most of the world's internet addresses) is denying that it gives the US government too much control over its operations. For instance, the US was the only country able to stop ICANN from using .xxx for pr0n domains, instead of .com."

    Shouldn't that be However...

  68. Submitter's Poor Wording by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It is the submitters editorial comment, not ICANN's.
    It is also poor grammar.
    Should be "However" instead of "For instance."

  69. Not missing the point... by C10H14N2 · · Score: 1

    I simply don't think there is a point to be made.

    Why does it matter? Those TLDs existed before the internet connected anything outside the US, so there was always an implicit ".us", if you will, following them. Yeah, it's sloppy now, but what do we do?

    The people who are missing the point are the ones who blame ICANN for something that was decided twenty years before ICANN even existed.

  70. Now in the works? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    IDN's (Internationalized Domain Names) have been in place for over a year and a half now. Whats this talk of "in the works"?

  71. We already use Internationalized Domain Names by dedra · · Score: 1

    IDNA has been in use since 2003. The only people who would use .Asia are folks who speak English. Native character sets have been in use and are backwards compatible via punycode. Just point at the right DNS and use a compatible browser and you are off and running. Google Search with China (native) as TLD http://www.google.com/search?as_q=.%E4%B8%AD%E5%9B %BD&num=10&hl=en&btnG=Google+Search&as_epq=&as_oq= &as_eq=&lr=&as_ft=i&as_filetype=&as_qdr=all&as_occ t=any&as_dt=i&as_sitesearch=.%E4%B8%AD%E5%9B%BD&as _rights=&safe=off This explains it best: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IDNA Mulptiple languanges on the net, even as TLDs, do not "muddle" anything. TLDs only need be unique and be able to let other DNS servers know where they are. An RFC took care of that.