I concur with this - On a completely overcast day I produce about half of the power I normally do on a completely cloudless day. I was quite stunned at how much I produce 'without any sun' - far from 'useless'
You *can* do this - I have this system. Sunny Boy inverters, Sunny Island unit for battery backup connected to 4 marine batteries which keep my house up indefinitely. (discharge at night, charge up during the day).
My total install cost $85. About $6K of that was 'battery backup'. That's a Sunny Island (the unit that does the auto-cutover and also shunts the power around to keep the batteries charged), and four huge-ass marine batteries which keep the house up and running (with normal use - lights,television, fridge, microwave, computers) overnight.
We get power outages that last hours (sometimes days) and never even know... We've had them for about 5 years now, and I suspect that we need to replace the batteries. Our battery levels hit 20% charge alot quicker now than they used to.
I applied for (and recieved) the 50% state rebate. It took a year and a half for it to go from 'approved' to 'paid' mind you - as the state turned over the rebate program to Honeywell to adminster and they did everything possible to not actually give out money.
At that time the SREC's were selling for like $200 a pop (with a cap of $400). Then the state dropped the rebate altogether and said : 'Well raise the cap to $800 and you can recoup your outlay from sale of SREC's). Fair enough... They went up to the $600 you mentioned for a year or two.
Then, Christie got in and refuses to up the cap on #'s SREC's required [to be bought] so there's a glut on the market and people who bought their systems based on 'you'll recoup through sale of SREC's' are stuffed.
I, on the other hand, got the best of both worlds - 50% (which equated to $40k of my $85k install) AND higher SREC prices - at least for a couple of years. Now though, they're practically worthless...
My neighborhood lost power for 5 days last year. Comcast cable was up for a good day or so of that before it too went out (I presume their generators ran out). I had cable modem, + telly for that time (my house is on battery backup). And ordinary over-the-air television once the cable died. If your provider isn't on the same grid segment as you, then you might be fine.
note: I called comcast's office and got my $3 SLA breach payback for each day I was out. They tried to protest that 'there was no way I'd know' - until I pointed out that if they had backup systems working as well as mine, they'd be better off...
Anecdotally - experience tells me I produce 'less' but it's certainly more than 'no' energy.
I have 52 190w panels. On cloudy days I produce about half that of a sunny day. Even in winter. I was surprised at how much I generate even when it's completely overcast. Half in 'actual terms' is slightly under what my whole house needs for power during daytime (obviously, that is zero at nighttime, so my bill is positive).
On a sunny day, my house produces twice as much as it needs during the day, offsetting what I use overnight. I also have battery backup for the house, but I'm on grid. My batteries don't kick in unless the grid goes down, but if I were off-grid I'd *almost* be able to keep my house up and running 24/7 all year round. I actually couldn't do that in winter, but a few more panels, a few more batteries and I could.
I got in early, and installed 52 panels, but the state rebate paid half of the cost. I also got 'whole house battery backup' - which they pay nothing towards. I got Sanyo 190w panels (not as good as those you can get nowadays) and I produce way more than my house uses during daytime. Total cost of install = $85k. About 6k of that was batteries, and so, I paid $45k
I have 14 computers in a 'computer room' and big electricity-guzzling plasma telly to go with it. Our bill went from $300 a month down to between 50 and 120. If I turn the computers off, I expect I could cover everything and have $0 bill.
Just on those savings alone I'll get about $2500 a year, which is 20 years (ish) return.
However, the return $'s isn't actually in the savings in electricity bill - it's in the SREC's that you produce. Those sell for between $100 and $600 depending on who the NJ state governer is at the time. I generate 12 a year, so I can get $3-4k out of that for 10 years.
I calculated my ROI to be about six years based on all those figures. Unfortunately, the state of NJ got stiffed by Christie who refused to up the # SRECS cap, and so there's a glut of them on the market (so many people bought into the state promotion) and they're massively devalued now. If you were to buy what I have now, I expect it would be about 15 years return.
We (also anecdotally) have 52 panels on our (garage) roof.
We lost 8 trees. 2 of them hit the house. We didn't lose any solar panels (from wind) and would have... theoretically had power for the entire 10 days the grid was out.
Unfortunately, because the trees mashed one half of the house I didn't dare turn the master electric back on for fear my house would catch fire:P The last power outage we had last year (neighbourhood was out for 5 days due to 'snow on trees-which-still-had-leaves-on) - we had power for the entire duration.
We get frequent power outages over the course of a normal year - 5 or 6, I'd say. We don't even notice them anymore...
I have solar panels on my garage (52 of them). Sanyo's. I asked about this very thing, and they are apparently rated not to break short of a meteor hitting them. (or in the case of Sandy, a tree). But hail is not (from experience) anything to worry about.
I bought a Prius when there were still tax incentives to do so.
I slapped solar panels on my house when there were 50% 'rebates' covering the cost of panels + installation. I produce SREC's every year. I live in NJ. This was while we had a Democractic governor. Since fat-arse got into power he's removed the rebate, and told people : We'll up the SREC cap so you can recoup your capital outlay by sale of those. Fine - so now people can get an ROI on their panel investment on their SREC's. He then denied upping the *volume* of those SREC's - which resulted in a glut of SCREC's on the market, and the price has plummeted.
They used to sell for $200. That went as high as $600 and is now around $100.
You cannot buy Solar Panels and get a return on your money anymore. You're looking at around 30 years before you break even. Of course, I made out like a bandit - I got rebate AND higher priced SCREC's - at least for the period that they were worth anything....
I happen to like that I produce my own electricity though - I just wish I had a half-decent grid to push it onto.
The point, though, is less about the (obsolete) hardware and more about the opportunity to own a 'piece of gaming history'.
You can look back at it, in your golden years and tell your grandchildren "I played on that server" and they can look back at you blankly and ask 'Wow.. did they use *actual* servers in those days? Weren't there any clouds?"
It's nostalgic and ephemeral, and not at all about the fact that it's basically some BL20p (or similar) which you could pull out of a dumpster behind most data centers these days..
It's done this for a while now - at least if you're in the US. The Brit and Oz commercials don't conform to the 'merikan sorts and I hear it's only about 20% effective. It doesn't help that the developers who work on the commercial stripping are all in the US...:(
But yes - You just set your recording up, click the little button saying 'flag commercials' and another little button somewhere in a playback screen that says 'Skip commercials' and Bob's your uncle...
>They shut off the air to conserve power and reduce petrol consumption.
Bollocks.
I've been driving a Prius for 4 years (2007 and 2009) models. And neither do this.
You can sit in the car park with the AC on and drain your batteries. They actually don't last a heapload of time - perhaps a couple of hours at most. Which is why the 2010 model comes with a solar wotsit on the roof to charge the battery. So you can sit in the car park with the AC on and (as long as it's sunny) not drain your batteries.
I suppose you could just add an exception for the >site you want to access.
And what happens when the 'site that you want to access' is on your local network, accessible only by you and... there are hundreds of them.
Take, for example, ILO's (remote consoles to blade machines using a web page). I have to add a fscking exception for *every single one* when I first go to it. When the number of machines you have is in the 100's - that's an awful lot of clicking for something I shouldn't *need* to do.
Slick.
One supposes that if you could care less, then you have an amount of care about the particular subject.
Ie: You care some.
That phrase though, is intended to convey the impression that you simply have no care about the subject at all, in which case you :
Could NOT care less.
Ie: I have no care left in me about this subject. "I couldn't care less..."
It's an Amerikanism. Trust me, as Brit living in the colonies, they manage to screw up just about *anything* purely because the Brits did it one way, and they're damned well gonna do it another (driving on the wrong side of the road, et al..)
Slick.
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I concur with this - On a completely overcast day I produce about half of the power I normally do on a completely cloudless day. I was quite stunned at how much I produce 'without any sun' - far from 'useless'
I can.
You *can* do this - I have this system. Sunny Boy inverters, Sunny Island unit for battery backup connected to 4 marine batteries which keep my house up indefinitely. (discharge at night, charge up during the day).
That lot cost $6k 5 years ago. The batteries themselves are $800 each. The Sunny Island is $4k ( http://www.solarhome.org/smasunnyisland5048uinverter5000w120v60hz.aspx )
I suppose you could go for something smaller, but the price of ONE of those batteries alone is more than your $600 generator.
Here's some numbers for you :
My total install cost $85. About $6K of that was 'battery backup'. That's a Sunny Island (the unit that does the auto-cutover and also shunts the power around to keep the batteries charged), and four huge-ass marine batteries which keep the house up and running (with normal use - lights,television, fridge, microwave, computers) overnight.
We get power outages that last hours (sometimes days) and never even know...
We've had them for about 5 years now, and I suspect that we need to replace the batteries. Our battery levels hit 20% charge alot quicker now than they used to.
I got in just before you... :P
I applied for (and recieved) the 50% state rebate. It took a year and a half for it to go from 'approved' to 'paid' mind you - as the state turned over the rebate program to Honeywell to adminster and they did everything possible to not actually give out money.
At that time the SREC's were selling for like $200 a pop (with a cap of $400). Then the state dropped the rebate altogether and said : 'Well raise the cap to $800 and you can recoup your outlay from sale of SREC's). Fair enough... They went up to the $600 you mentioned for a year or two.
Then, Christie got in and refuses to up the cap on #'s SREC's required [to be bought] so there's a glut on the market and people who bought their systems based on 'you'll recoup through sale of SREC's' are stuffed.
I, on the other hand, got the best of both worlds - 50% (which equated to $40k of my $85k install) AND higher SREC prices - at least for a couple of years. Now though, they're practically worthless...
'It depends' is a good answer.
My neighborhood lost power for 5 days last year. Comcast cable was up for a good day or so of that before it too went out (I presume their generators ran out).
I had cable modem, + telly for that time (my house is on battery backup). And ordinary over-the-air television once the cable died. If your provider isn't on the same grid segment as you, then you might be fine.
note: I called comcast's office and got my $3 SLA breach payback for each day I was out. They tried to protest that 'there was no way I'd know' - until I pointed out that if they had backup systems working as well as mine, they'd be better off...
Anecdotally - experience tells me I produce 'less' but it's certainly more than 'no' energy.
I have 52 190w panels. On cloudy days I produce about half that of a sunny day. Even in winter. I was surprised at how much I generate even when it's completely overcast. Half in 'actual terms' is slightly under what my whole house needs for power during daytime (obviously, that is zero at nighttime, so my bill is positive).
On a sunny day, my house produces twice as much as it needs during the day, offsetting what I use overnight. I also have battery backup for the house, but I'm on grid. My batteries don't kick in unless the grid goes down, but if I were off-grid I'd *almost* be able to keep my house up and running 24/7 all year round. I actually couldn't do that in winter, but a few more panels, a few more batteries and I could.
My house is about the same size as yours.
I got in early, and installed 52 panels, but the state rebate paid half of the cost. I also got 'whole house battery backup' - which they pay nothing towards.
I got Sanyo 190w panels (not as good as those you can get nowadays) and I produce way more than my house uses during daytime.
Total cost of install = $85k. About 6k of that was batteries, and so, I paid $45k
I have 14 computers in a 'computer room' and big electricity-guzzling plasma telly to go with it.
Our bill went from $300 a month down to between 50 and 120. If I turn the computers off, I expect I could cover everything and have $0 bill.
Just on those savings alone I'll get about $2500 a year, which is 20 years (ish) return.
However, the return $'s isn't actually in the savings in electricity bill - it's in the SREC's that you produce. Those sell for between $100 and $600 depending on who the NJ state governer is at the time. I generate 12 a year, so I can get $3-4k out of that for 10 years.
I calculated my ROI to be about six years based on all those figures. Unfortunately, the state of NJ got stiffed by Christie who refused to up the # SRECS cap, and so there's a glut of them on the market (so many people bought into the state promotion) and they're massively devalued now. If you were to buy what I have now, I expect it would be about 15 years return.
We (also anecdotally) have 52 panels on our (garage) roof.
We lost 8 trees. 2 of them hit the house. We didn't lose any solar panels (from wind) and would have... theoretically had power for the entire 10 days the grid was out.
Unfortunately, because the trees mashed one half of the house I didn't dare turn the master electric back on for fear my house would catch fire :P
The last power outage we had last year (neighbourhood was out for 5 days due to 'snow on trees-which-still-had-leaves-on) - we had power for the entire duration.
We get frequent power outages over the course of a normal year - 5 or 6, I'd say. We don't even notice them anymore...
Just an FYI:
I have solar panels on my garage (52 of them). Sanyo's. I asked about this very thing, and they are apparently rated not to break short of a meteor hitting them. (or in the case of Sandy, a tree). But hail is not (from experience) anything to worry about.
Topically: I did exactly this.
I bought a Prius when there were still tax incentives to do so.
I slapped solar panels on my house when there were 50% 'rebates' covering the cost of panels + installation. I produce SREC's every year.
I live in NJ. This was while we had a Democractic governor. Since fat-arse got into power he's removed the rebate, and told people : We'll up the SREC cap so you can recoup your capital outlay by sale of those. Fine - so now people can get an ROI on their panel investment on their SREC's. He then denied upping the *volume* of those SREC's - which resulted in a glut of SCREC's on the market, and the price has plummeted.
They used to sell for $200. That went as high as $600 and is now around $100.
You cannot buy Solar Panels and get a return on your money anymore. You're looking at around 30 years before you break even.
Of course, I made out like a bandit - I got rebate AND higher priced SCREC's - at least for the period that they were worth anything....
I happen to like that I produce my own electricity though - I just wish I had a half-decent grid to push it onto.
My personal experience..
The point, though, is less about the (obsolete) hardware and more about the opportunity to own a 'piece of gaming history'.
You can look back at it, in your golden years and tell your grandchildren "I played on that server" and they can look back at you blankly and ask 'Wow.. did they use *actual* servers in those days? Weren't there any clouds?"
It's nostalgic and ephemeral, and not at all about the fact that it's basically some BL20p (or similar) which you could pull out of a dumpster behind most data centers these days..
It's done this for a while now - at least if you're in the US. The Brit and Oz commercials don't conform to the 'merikan sorts and I hear it's only about 20% effective. It doesn't help that the developers who work on the commercial stripping are all in the US... :(
But yes - You just set your recording up, click the little button saying 'flag commercials' and another little button somewhere in a playback screen that says 'Skip commercials' and Bob's your uncle...
>They shut off the air to conserve power and reduce petrol consumption.
Bollocks.
I've been driving a Prius for 4 years (2007 and 2009) models. And neither do this.
You can sit in the car park with the AC on and drain your batteries. They actually don't last a heapload of time - perhaps a couple of hours at most. Which is why the 2010 model comes with a solar wotsit on the roof to charge the battery. So you can sit in the car park with the AC on and (as long as it's sunny) not drain your batteries.
>BTW, most any home in the USA built in the last few decades has been heavily insulated and tightly sealed.
Whatever. Most houses in the UK are built of BRICK.
The 'standard' of American houses - made of wood, frankly appalls me. I thought we had learnt from the three little piggies that Straw > wood > brick.
S.
I suppose you could just add an exception for the >site you want to access. And what happens when the 'site that you want to access' is on your local network, accessible only by you and... there are hundreds of them. Take, for example, ILO's (remote consoles to blade machines using a web page). I have to add a fscking exception for *every single one* when I first go to it. When the number of machines you have is in the 100's - that's an awful lot of clicking for something I shouldn't *need* to do. Slick.
One supposes that if you could care less, then you have an amount of care about the particular subject. Ie: You care some. That phrase though, is intended to convey the impression that you simply have no care about the subject at all, in which case you : Could NOT care less. Ie: I have no care left in me about this subject. "I couldn't care less..." It's an Amerikanism. Trust me, as Brit living in the colonies, they manage to screw up just about *anything* purely because the Brits did it one way, and they're damned well gonna do it another (driving on the wrong side of the road, et al..) Slick.