Dingoblue users would be affected, as it does use the optusnet mail infrastructure, just it's a different hostmask for incoming messages. Otherwise it's just the same servers et al for the dialup customers.
It would also affect optusnet perm. customers (ie: isdn) who use the optusnet mail servers.
Actually, I applied for a.org.au about 3 months ago, it was approved in 7 days.
You fill out the form correctly with the information they want, it gets a pretty decent turn-around. Although I was somewhat shocked by the speed, average.org.au/.edu.au domain stuffs take about 2 to 8 weeks.
Honestly, the service/domains are free (yes, that's costed nothing), I am quite content to wait around a bit for a deal like that.
The rules that apply, if your group more or less fits the conditions for getting a.org.au, moreso if you are incorporated, then I've never had a problem - although he did reject fuct.org.au, the Free Unix (Users) Consortium (of) Tasmania;-)
Other then the fact that I actually read an article like this in the Melbourne Age on the day of the Telstra 3GB cap announcement, this has been taken slightly out of context, somewhat.
other then the fact that we tend to be paying for data coming in, and going out, at least that is what was argued on slashdot (and slashnet) a fair while back with respect to the new southern cross cable which was put in. Don't quote me on it though, I ain't up with that stuff.
To be honest, I can see why Telstra has imposed such a limit, data costs them money (not much mind you), and they have share holders that want to see a higher profit year after year.
But the concept that they market the product as "broadband" and then go ahead and chop the ability to use this "broadband" product seems somewhat, Telstra like.
In the city I live, there is a project known as eLaunceston and they have a project known as the Launceston Broadband Project where they are currently using ADSL customers (including Telstra ones) in this city, to trial bandwidth intensive products, such as delivering lectures over the medium, and medical data, tourist guides, video conferencing, and hell, they even have a gnutella server and some game servers!
It seems weird, that one arm of Telstra can embrace and the other arm can restrict, then again, that's the corporate world for you.
If Telstra really want users to be more considerate when it comes to data usage, then have the cap by all means, maybe even lift it up to 6 to 8gb even - but if they really want people to pay for what they use, why can they not make it affordable.
The reason people would go with the Freedom Deluxe over the pay per meg plan is simply because for $10 or so more ($89 month for 512/128), you didn't have to pay through the neck for data. Why can they not market the volume based plans at a much cheaper monthly rate, with data available at 10c/mb, or even different rates if you get it from a cache or not, as the Bigpond Direct plans now offer.
If we are to ever see true broadband in this nation, they just need to make it slightly more affordable, so they make more money out of the extra loads of people they sign up, and rather then giving their shareholders extra dividends (as nice as they must be to get) put extra money back into further developing the network.
Personally, I don't want to be stuck on 56k dialup for ever, but the way it's going, especially with the state I am living in, I don't really have any other affordable choice, $27.50AUD a month for 400 hours/1.5GB is a bargain, although, not so when two months ago it was totally unlimited.
Make your voice heard, but don't be lame about it, they will ignore you, and people will forget about it, eventually.
This is rather interesting, especially coming out of a government which over the past two terms of power have shown a great arrogance towards anything which may boost Info Tech or any other form of Technology in this country.
Oh for the election in 2001!
Must not have Liberal Party henchmen on it's board.
I would have to say that the moderation on this post (http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=00/12/11/2355 217&cid=28)is more proof that the moderators are on crack here.
Or is it more the fact that the post didn't say that "Linux is GOD" so therefore people said it is a troll?
I do believe i pointed this out before, and got modded insightful for it, but then someone replied and said I was trolling.
we are slowly working on getting the site back up.
The major problems we have at the moment are as Chuq says, the area to cover is massive - and capital here is minimal, so if anyone would like to donate to a good cause (hell, we'll even incorporate ourselves especially so you know you aren't being ripped off) then we'll love you for ever:>
It certainly will be interesting to see when these machines hit the market, how much they are (globally, not just in the states) and how they stack up against everything else.
Maybe they will be a cheap solution for poor students like myself to be able to afford:)
From reading through most of the discussion so far, quite a few people have said that if this breakup were to occur, then MS would magically start porting stuff to linux.
My initial reactions to this were: 1) Why would they want to port products to another operating system when: a) they wouldn't release them for free b) they wouldn't release the source code
In my opinion, Microsoft was setup as a commercial entity, so they could make money (putting it very bluntly) - by doing what quite a few people here think would happen (open sourcing code, free for all MS products) would ruin what they have built up over the years.
I'm not saying that's a good thing or a bad thing. I'm not pro-MS or anti-MS, I choose to use MS products on a daily basis, in the same manner that I choose to use FreeBSD, NetBSD and some forms of Linux day to day.
If they are _forced_ to release code, then they snip bits out, make it look the same, to the rest of the world it looks the same, and has nfi about it at all.
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Dingoblue users would be affected, as it does use the optusnet mail infrastructure, just it's a different hostmask for incoming messages. Otherwise it's just the same servers et al for the dialup customers.
It would also affect optusnet perm. customers (ie: isdn) who use the optusnet mail servers.
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Actually, I applied for a .org.au about 3 months ago, it was approved in 7 days.
.org.au/.edu.au domain stuffs take about 2 to 8 weeks.
.org.au, moreso if you are incorporated, then I've never had a problem - although he did reject fuct.org.au, the Free Unix (Users) Consortium (of) Tasmania ;-)
You fill out the form correctly with the information they want, it gets a pretty decent turn-around. Although I was somewhat shocked by the speed, average
Honestly, the service/domains are free (yes, that's costed nothing), I am quite content to wait around a bit for a deal like that.
The rules that apply, if your group more or less fits the conditions for getting a
Other then the fact that I actually read an article like this in the Melbourne Age on the day of the Telstra 3GB cap announcement, this has been taken slightly out of context, somewhat.
other then the fact that we tend to be paying for data coming in, and going out, at least that is what was argued on slashdot (and slashnet) a fair while back with respect to the new southern cross cable which was put in. Don't quote me on it though, I ain't up with that stuff.
To be honest, I can see why Telstra has imposed such a limit, data costs them money (not much mind you), and they have share holders that want to see a higher profit year after year.
But the concept that they market the product as "broadband" and then go ahead and chop the ability to use this "broadband" product seems somewhat, Telstra like.
In the city I live, there is a project known as eLaunceston and they have a project known as the Launceston Broadband Project where they are currently using ADSL customers (including Telstra ones) in this city, to trial bandwidth intensive products, such as delivering lectures over the medium, and medical data, tourist guides, video conferencing, and hell, they even have a gnutella server and some game servers!
It seems weird, that one arm of Telstra can embrace and the other arm can restrict, then again, that's the corporate world for you.
If Telstra really want users to be more considerate when it comes to data usage, then have the cap by all means, maybe even lift it up to 6 to 8gb even - but if they really want people to pay for what they use, why can they not make it affordable.
The reason people would go with the Freedom Deluxe over the pay per meg plan is simply because for $10 or so more ($89 month for 512/128), you didn't have to pay through the neck for data.
Why can they not market the volume based plans at a much cheaper monthly rate, with data available at 10c/mb, or even different rates if you get it from a cache or not, as the Bigpond Direct plans now offer.
If we are to ever see true broadband in this nation, they just need to make it slightly more affordable, so they make more money out of the extra loads of people they sign up, and rather then giving their shareholders extra dividends (as nice as they must be to get) put extra money back into further developing the network.
Personally, I don't want to be stuck on 56k dialup for ever, but the way it's going, especially with the state I am living in, I don't really have any other affordable choice, $27.50AUD a month for 400 hours/1.5GB is a bargain, although, not so when two months ago it was totally unlimited.
Make your voice heard, but don't be lame about it, they will ignore you, and people will forget about it, eventually.
well then, looks like it's another case of the democrats just not giving a fuck.
bring on the leadership spill!
...or Packer will say he wants to roll out HDTV and Mr Howard will jump to it and get it done.
Representation of the people at it's best.
This is rather interesting, especially coming out of a government which over the past two terms of power have shown a great arrogance towards anything which may boost Info Tech or any other form of Technology in this country.
Oh for the election in 2001!
Must not have Liberal Party henchmen on it's board.
I would have to say that the moderation on this post (http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=00/12/11/2355 217&cid=28)is more proof that the moderators are on crack here.
Or is it more the fact that the post didn't say that "Linux is GOD" so therefore people said it is a troll?
I do believe i pointed this out before, and got modded insightful for it, but then someone replied and said I was trolling.
This certainly is a weird place.
yep, that'd be correct :>
:>
we are slowly working on getting the site back up.
The major problems we have at the moment are as Chuq says, the area to cover is massive - and capital here is minimal, so if anyone would like to donate to a good cause (hell, we'll even incorporate ourselves especially so you know you aren't being ripped off) then we'll love you for ever
It certainly will be interesting to see when these machines hit the market, how much they are (globally, not just in the states) and how they stack up against everything else.
:)
Maybe they will be a cheap solution for poor students like myself to be able to afford
From reading through most of the discussion so far, quite a few people have said that if this breakup were to occur, then MS would magically start porting stuff to linux.
My initial reactions to this were:
1) Why would they want to port products to another operating system when:
a) they wouldn't release them for free
b) they wouldn't release the source code
In my opinion, Microsoft was setup as a commercial entity, so they could make money (putting it very bluntly) - by doing what quite a few people here think would happen (open sourcing code, free for all MS products) would ruin what they have built up over the years.
I'm not saying that's a good thing or a bad thing. I'm not pro-MS or anti-MS, I choose to use MS products on a daily basis, in the same manner that I choose to use FreeBSD, NetBSD and some forms of Linux day to day.
If they are _forced_ to release code, then they snip bits out, make it look the same, to the rest of the world it looks the same, and has nfi about it at all.
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