There's nothing to stop GIMP carrying the malware.
This is the stupidest comment in the entire thread.
There certainly is something stopping GIMP from carrying malware, that the malware writers do not have control over the official channels for distributing GIMP. It does no good to compromise a single mirror with a version that has a bad hash or checksum, because that compromised "version" would stick out like a sore thumb. Stealthily compromising the project source server requires Ken Thompson levels of deviousness.
GIMP is available from official channels for free. If you are downloading it from unofficial channels, you deserve everything that happens to you and your data.
What Fukushima should have taught is that when the engineers spec a wall of sufficient height to block a tsunami, you flippin' build it. Or in general, when engineers say that you could kill a bunch of people or make a "forbidden zone" after an accident by not doing something, you should listen intently and take their advice seriously. TEPCO ignored their own engineers. Because "herp, too expensive."
It is also a demonstration of lack-of-oversight by the Japanese government over the decades. Because, you know, left to themselves, all industries are kittens and rainbows.
After the March 11 disaster at Fukushima, Japanese officials came under fire for their handling of the emergency and the authorities have admitted that lax standards and poor oversight contributed to the accident.
The FRC is not interested in buying their software. They are not customers. They never were customers. They will continue to not buy their software after the "boycott." It's how they work.
>Free speech
Free Speech does not prevent people shouting down dumb ideas for being dumb ideas. That's the nature of free speech. If you don't like it, you're not really for free speech - you're for your own speech at the expense of others.
It's not like the FRC are going to buy their software anyway.
Caving to the likes of the FRC is not going to get them anywhere and they should simply circular-file the letters, which are easy to spot because they are all identical. It's too bad that a lot of companies cave to tactics like this. Do they come out ahead after? Nope.
Indeed, this is one of the reasons that got me into Linux in the first place - that I am not nickel-and-dimed for a workable computer.
By the way, since the Gimp handles RGB images better than Photoshop, it's better for astrophotography processing. ImageMagick is also quite the program.
Come for the free beer. Stay for the freedom. Use Linux.
OSX has not had a single virus in the wild since its introduction. The first person to get a virus to spread from machine to machine on OSX will be world famous. And it's not like people don't try.
Viruses are self replicating code that spread themselves via the network or sneakernet. Since OSX, Linux, Solaris, FreeBSD and all other sane OSes strip the execute bit from files coming in off the wire, this is a major hurdle to get over, and is why virus and worm propagation on OSX, other Unices, and Unix like OSes like Linux sucks.
This was a trojan. Trojans are different. They typically need to trick the user into installing them, and they do not self-propagate.
But the distinction is lost on people, such as yourself who refuse to believe there is any difference between the Bagel worm and a program that tricks the user to deltree c:\*.* or rm -rf/*
With that said, there is a way to make certain well-behaved Windows viruses and worms spread cross-platform, and that is to run wine. But then the requirement is that the virus or worm be well behaved and not depend on undocumented Windows features. These are few and far between, and even then, it runs in userspace and the cure is to rm -rf.wine.
"even if you want to write a virus for iOS you can't" and "there is zero malware in the app store".
That's because your code is up for review if you want Apple to sell your program for you in the Apple store. They check it for bad stuff and vet the program. The Apple Store is much like the trusted repositories you see in the Linux world. The repo system for Linux has proven time and again this is a good way to go. The only difference with the Apple store is that there is only one repo, theirs.
>implying that third party software vulnerabilities are suddenly the OS vendor's fault
This is not even true in the Windows world. Nobody blames Microsoft for an Adobe Reader or Flash vulnerability. Adobe certainly does attract enough blame themselves.
The same was true of email worms - a worm that compromised Outlook Express could send a message to everyone in the address book, and at least some of them would be running Outlook Express and so it would spread. In contrast, if the lone Mac in the corner of the office is infected then it's harder for it to find another Mac to infect before someone spots unusual traffic patterns and cleans it up.
If you've got wine installed, so you can run Windows stuff on your Macintosh or linux machine, it makes Bagel cross-platform. Just so you know.
Security researchers have uncovered yet another Mac Trojan in the wild, this time hiding inside pirated versions of the Mac OS X image editing application GraphicConverter.
This general method, by far, is the quickest and easiest way to create a botnet. Package up some wanted software with your trojan that you checked against the top 20 malware checkers, and upload away to all the public trackers you can find, and some private ones.
Yet weeks later when your trojan gets added to the malware definitions, you'll continue to see Windows morons download, run a scan, and pronounce "LOL FALSE POSITIVE"
Because now that Macintoshes get trojans, Windows is suddenly secure, because schadenfreude secures machines, right?
Nobody ever claimed Macintoshes were bulletproof. But they're still a lot less of a target than Windows. Remove the beam from thine eye before pointing out the mote in others'.
"The trouble is that this attitude perpetuates the us-versus-them state of affairs that has been growing."
Tough shit.
There are two kinds of cops: bad cops and cops that cover for bad cops. When this situation ends, then maybe we can discuss the adversarial relationship.
Until then, unless I see a threat to someone's life, or a threat to my own life, I'm not calling a cop. Because they're all too likely to fuck it up and then cover up the fuckup.
The command line and GUI have never surprised anyone. Because the command line has been more-or-less consistent over the decades.
But as far as Metro goes, it's a radical departure from "normal" GUIs which have remained more-or-less similar with a desktop metaphor for the last.... fuck, when was the Xerox Star?
And Microsoft is going to foist this upon an unsuspecting public with the RTM.
>me twisting into contortions
No, calling you out on strawmanning and deliberate misreading is not me twisting. It's you being an asshole
The applications can run side-by-each, and with things like QtCurve, they can look consistent with each other to the point where it can be anyone's guess if an application is based on Qt or GTK+
I've actually run Windows 8 and taken it for a spin. It would be appreciated if idiots like yourself would try Linux before spouting nonsense.
"So your argument is that Microsoft will break compatibility to such an extent that their own Visual Studio won't run on the next version of Windows? What are you smoking?"
What the fuck do you mean by "won't run?"
No, you fruitcake, the interface will just change. Eventually. That's all. And that will be Metro. Deal. With. It.
Msg 117123 of 117133 at 4/2/2012 10:52:08 AM by El Corton n00b gets the IBM potato
03/31/2012 1106 REASSIGNMENT to Newly Appointed District Judge. Case Reassigned to District Judge David Nuffer (DJ). Judge Dee Benson no longer assigned to the case. Case number will now read 2:03-cv-00294-DN. Please make changes to document captions accordingly. (asp) (Entered: 03/31/2012)
>descended into a cesspool of fanboy haters
No, it's diversified into hating Cisco, Apple, Oracle, and other companies because most discussion centers around patents these days. But you wouldn't know that because you're a hater yourself and don't read the site.
The site has lost readership thanks to haters like you who attack anyone who dares to express an alternate viewpoint.
No, this site has lost its readership because it is stuff that doesn't matter that happened last week. This can be tied directly to the "vote for a story" model that was implemented. Things appear everywhere else and then show up on Slashdot last.
Talk about leap of logic. This is a company that bends over for backwards compatibility.
Where were you the last time the driver model changed and printers, scanners, and soundcards (lol, Creative X-Fi) wound up in landfills across the fruited plain? Where were you when Microsoft finally said to the game publishers "Fuck you, you're not writing to hardware anymore"? Microsoft, has, and does, break compatibility when they feel the need to. Paul's article puts an emphasis on this with Metro. The thing is that you have to actually read Paul Thurrott's article and understand just exactly what he's trying to say. He's saying that Metro is a "bet the company" move and there's no going back.
Lastly, I have never said that 7 sucks. You can go through my entire posting history if you wish. It's not just "now."
Indeed, here is me saying nice things about Windows 7.
The people who are actually interested in improving Metro do not need to be forced into using it.
The average schmuck, as you put it (I agree with the characterization) that wants to use 8 to show off as a "power user" really isn't anyone Microsoft should be concerned with anyway, and is going to find a way to turn off Metro, regardless. There is already a hack out there that does this (apparently it's a file ripped from Windows 7 or something).
-- BMO
I also note with amusement that all the "troll" mods I'm getting. This is an abuse of moderation because "troll" is not "I disagree." But whatever. I have more karma points than you idiots have negative mod points.
I find it very interesting that anyone who questions how PJ gets paid or if even a real person instead of a pseudonym for IBM/Google lawyers is thoroughly bashed to death, but it's open season on any other commenter.
Hi Darl. Still bitter? You should just let it go, man.
Slashdot Mirror
If you're going to discuss technology, definitions matter especially when those definitions describe the vectors for malware.
Also, learn to write English. Phone-speak is the sign of a moron whether you are or not.
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You think this is a motherfarking game?
That cake is trivial, and this is only a nerd thing?
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_D_Z-D2tzi14/TLT2bSprcdI/AAAAAAAAD9M/6v6AJVGNyxw/s1600/Picture+6.png
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There's nothing to stop GIMP carrying the malware.
This is the stupidest comment in the entire thread.
There certainly is something stopping GIMP from carrying malware, that the malware writers do not have control over the official channels for distributing GIMP. It does no good to compromise a single mirror with a version that has a bad hash or checksum, because that compromised "version" would stick out like a sore thumb. Stealthily compromising the project source server requires Ken Thompson levels of deviousness.
GIMP is available from official channels for free. If you are downloading it from unofficial channels, you deserve everything that happens to you and your data.
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BMO
Oh look, a reasoned response instead of spittle-flecked text.
Thanks...honestly.
>me being simplistic
There is only so much time I can put into a post and I ain't perfect.
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What Fukushima should have taught is that when the engineers spec a wall of sufficient height to block a tsunami, you flippin' build it. Or in general, when engineers say that you could kill a bunch of people or make a "forbidden zone" after an accident by not doing something, you should listen intently and take their advice seriously. TEPCO ignored their own engineers. Because "herp, too expensive."
It is also a demonstration of lack-of-oversight by the Japanese government over the decades. Because, you know, left to themselves, all industries are kittens and rainbows.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/08/15/nuclear-iaea-safety-idUSLDE77E0F720110815
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Wine is improving, then; a little while ago it ran quite a bit of Windows software, but no viruses.
I said I tested it empirically. I didn't say when. Bagel worked 5 years ago.
I was duly impressed.
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BMO
I said [trojans] do not self-propagate.
You said Sorry to break your bubble, but this was a drive-by exploit using a hole in Java.
That's not self-propagation. It also pretends to be a Flash update. That's not a virus. That's a trojan.
Hope this helps.
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BMO
The FRC is certainly free to send out its letters
EA is certainly free to ignore them.
The FRC is not interested in buying their software. They are not customers. They never were customers. They will continue to not buy their software after the "boycott." It's how they work.
>Free speech
Free Speech does not prevent people shouting down dumb ideas for being dumb ideas. That's the nature of free speech. If you don't like it, you're not really for free speech - you're for your own speech at the expense of others.
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I'm trying to find out if GIMP and others can pull images from these FF cameras, can they work with RAW....
There's a plugin for that
http://ufraw.sourceforge.net/
Warning - website will make your eyes bleed.
>video
>cinelerra
>canon
Unless they use some weird-ass format, yes.
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BMO
It's not like the FRC are going to buy their software anyway.
Caving to the likes of the FRC is not going to get them anywhere and they should simply circular-file the letters, which are easy to spot because they are all identical. It's too bad that a lot of companies cave to tactics like this. Do they come out ahead after? Nope.
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BMO
Indeed, this is one of the reasons that got me into Linux in the first place - that I am not nickel-and-dimed for a workable computer.
By the way, since the Gimp handles RGB images better than Photoshop, it's better for astrophotography processing. ImageMagick is also quite the program.
Come for the free beer. Stay for the freedom. Use Linux.
--
BMO
OSX has not had a single virus in the wild since its introduction. The first person to get a virus to spread from machine to machine on OSX will be world famous. And it's not like people don't try.
Viruses are self replicating code that spread themselves via the network or sneakernet. Since OSX, Linux, Solaris, FreeBSD and all other sane OSes strip the execute bit from files coming in off the wire, this is a major hurdle to get over, and is why virus and worm propagation on OSX, other Unices, and Unix like OSes like Linux sucks.
This was a trojan. Trojans are different. They typically need to trick the user into installing them, and they do not self-propagate.
But the distinction is lost on people, such as yourself who refuse to believe there is any difference between the Bagel worm and a program that tricks the user to deltree c:\*.* or rm -rf /*
With that said, there is a way to make certain well-behaved Windows viruses and worms spread cross-platform, and that is to run wine. But then the requirement is that the virus or worm be well behaved and not depend on undocumented Windows features. These are few and far between, and even then, it runs in userspace and the cure is to rm -rf .wine.
"even if you want to write a virus for iOS you can't" and "there is zero malware in the app store".
That's because your code is up for review if you want Apple to sell your program for you in the Apple store. They check it for bad stuff and vet the program. The Apple Store is much like the trusted repositories you see in the Linux world. The repo system for Linux has proven time and again this is a good way to go. The only difference with the Apple store is that there is only one repo, theirs.
>implying that third party software vulnerabilities are suddenly the OS vendor's fault
This is not even true in the Windows world. Nobody blames Microsoft for an Adobe Reader or Flash vulnerability. Adobe certainly does attract enough blame themselves.
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BMO
The same was true of email worms - a worm that compromised Outlook Express could send a message to everyone in the address book, and at least some of them would be running Outlook Express and so it would spread. In contrast, if the lone Mac in the corner of the office is infected then it's harder for it to find another Mac to infect before someone spots unusual traffic patterns and cleans it up.
If you've got wine installed, so you can run Windows stuff on your Macintosh or linux machine, it makes Bagel cross-platform. Just so you know.
This has been tested empirically by yours truly.
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BMO
Security researchers have uncovered yet another Mac Trojan in the wild, this time hiding inside pirated versions of the Mac OS X image editing application GraphicConverter.
This general method, by far, is the quickest and easiest way to create a botnet. Package up some wanted software with your trojan that you checked against the top 20 malware checkers, and upload away to all the public trackers you can find, and some private ones.
Yet weeks later when your trojan gets added to the malware definitions, you'll continue to see Windows morons download, run a scan, and pronounce "LOL FALSE POSITIVE"
There is no anti-malware for stupid.
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BMO
Because now that Macintoshes get trojans, Windows is suddenly secure, because schadenfreude secures machines, right?
Nobody ever claimed Macintoshes were bulletproof. But they're still a lot less of a target than Windows. Remove the beam from thine eye before pointing out the mote in others'.
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BMO
"The trouble is that this attitude perpetuates the us-versus-them state of affairs that has been growing."
Tough shit.
There are two kinds of cops: bad cops and cops that cover for bad cops. When this situation ends, then maybe we can discuss the adversarial relationship.
Until then, unless I see a threat to someone's life, or a threat to my own life, I'm not calling a cop. Because they're all too likely to fuck it up and then cover up the fuckup.
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BMO
The command line and GUI have never surprised anyone. Because the command line has been more-or-less consistent over the decades.
But as far as Metro goes, it's a radical departure from "normal" GUIs which have remained more-or-less similar with a desktop metaphor for the last .... fuck, when was the Xerox Star?
And Microsoft is going to foist this upon an unsuspecting public with the RTM.
>me twisting into contortions
No, calling you out on strawmanning and deliberate misreading is not me twisting. It's you being an asshole
Meet the bit bucket, asshole.
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BMO
The applications can run side-by-each, and with things like QtCurve, they can look consistent with each other to the point where it can be anyone's guess if an application is based on Qt or GTK+
I've actually run Windows 8 and taken it for a spin. It would be appreciated if idiots like yourself would try Linux before spouting nonsense.
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BMO
"So your argument is that Microsoft will break compatibility to such an extent that their own Visual Studio won't run on the next version of Windows? What are you smoking?"
What the fuck do you mean by "won't run?"
No, you fruitcake, the interface will just change. Eventually. That's all. And that will be Metro. Deal. With. It.
Christ almighty.
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BMO
Protip
The SCO vs IBM case hasn't ended.
It's been assigned to Judge Nuffer.
Msg 117123 of 117133 at 4/2/2012 10:52:08 AM by El Corton
n00b gets the IBM potato
03/31/2012 1106 REASSIGNMENT to Newly Appointed District Judge. Case Reassigned to District Judge David Nuffer (DJ). Judge Dee Benson no longer assigned to the case. Case number will now read 2:03-cv-00294-DN. Please make changes to document captions accordingly. (asp) (Entered: 03/31/2012)
>descended into a cesspool of fanboy haters
No, it's diversified into hating Cisco, Apple, Oracle, and other companies because most discussion centers around patents these days. But you wouldn't know that because you're a hater yourself and don't read the site.
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BMO
I said
>dueling GUIs
You misquote me as "Dueling UIs"
Your reading comprehension sucks.
Furthermore:
>You mean like Win 95 which ran on top of DOS
No, no it didn't. And you're an idiot for thinking so. That distinction belongs to Windows 3.1 and previous versions.
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BMO
Last things first
The site has lost readership thanks to haters like you who attack anyone who dares to express an alternate viewpoint.
No, this site has lost its readership because it is stuff that doesn't matter that happened last week. This can be tied directly to the "vote for a story" model that was implemented. Things appear everywhere else and then show up on Slashdot last.
Talk about leap of logic. This is a company that bends over for backwards compatibility.
Where were you the last time the driver model changed and printers, scanners, and soundcards (lol, Creative X-Fi) wound up in landfills across the fruited plain? Where were you when Microsoft finally said to the game publishers "Fuck you, you're not writing to hardware anymore"? Microsoft, has, and does, break compatibility when they feel the need to. Paul's article puts an emphasis on this with Metro. The thing is that you have to actually read Paul Thurrott's article and understand just exactly what he's trying to say. He's saying that Metro is a "bet the company" move and there's no going back.
Lastly, I have never said that 7 sucks. You can go through my entire posting history if you wish. It's not just "now."
Indeed, here is me saying nice things about Windows 7.
http://investorvillage.com/smbd.asp?mb=1911&mn=109089&pt=msg&mid=9645884
Now get stuffed.
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The people who are actually interested in improving Metro do not need to be forced into using it.
The average schmuck, as you put it (I agree with the characterization) that wants to use 8 to show off as a "power user" really isn't anyone Microsoft should be concerned with anyway, and is going to find a way to turn off Metro, regardless. There is already a hack out there that does this (apparently it's a file ripped from Windows 7 or something).
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BMO
I also note with amusement that all the "troll" mods I'm getting. This is an abuse of moderation because "troll" is not "I disagree." But whatever. I have more karma points than you idiots have negative mod points.
I find it very interesting that anyone who questions how PJ gets paid or if even a real person instead of a pseudonym for IBM/Google lawyers is thoroughly bashed to death, but it's open season on any other commenter.
Hi Darl. Still bitter? You should just let it go, man.
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No.
Switch between them *during the same session*
You have obviously not used the Consumer Preview. Go get it, install, and /use/ it.
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